Snyder Cut of benji/toku Never Getting Over It Snyder Cut Bless Up Thread

[Tasty]

You're misinterpreting that outcome as his intent. Snyder *is* an edge lord dweeb. He made a joke about Bat-rape while promoting Watchmen.

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Ironically Bat-rape was the canon genesis of Damian, until New 52, a decision I still disagree with.

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[benjipwns]

Talia raping Bruce was a retcon in the first place.

[Kara]

Takes a crook to catch a crook, Andy-kun.

[Tasty]

Talia raping Bruce was a retcon in the first place.

Yeah but it was one of the better ones. Like Jason being resurrected via Lazerus Pit and not a reality punch (I say that despite said reality punch being a key moment in Best Crisis, and myself being willing to defend it in terms of service to that particular narrative.)

[Tasty]

Takes a crook to catch a crook, Andy-kun.

Is that why you're a *gasps* SOCIALIST?

[benjipwns]

reviving Conner was done better by Johns in a Final Crisis tie-in than killing him was in Zero Hour 2

also Renee's way of getting the Spear of Destiny from Vandal Cain's hands is the hottest thing ever done in DC Comics

then there's Final Crisis itself

[Tasty]

Zero Hour 2

...

what did you just fuckin say

[Tasty]

Final Crisis is about as good as Countdown to Final Crisis.

[benjipwns]

my headcanon is that Snyder included the actual Anti-Life Equation in his cut and that's the real reason they had to drop it for legal reasons

[Kara]

Takes a crook to catch a crook, Andy-kun.

Is that why you're a *gasps* SOCIALIST?

We're all liberals here at The Bore.

[Tasty]

Well yeah the mods banned all the conservatives.

[toku]

Another underrated thing about Snyder (and a reason why nerds hate him) is that he gets that nerds are edge lord dweebs and makes edge lord dweeb movies. Like The Comedian he holds the mirror up to his society and shows them what they really are. Daniel Way's run on Deadpool is a similar case study.

Yeah MCU at it's best is basically panels and splash pages of your favorite supes punching and laughing. Snyder's thinking was more along the lines of what would superman be like in a world where america has military operations in 128 countries and we drop swords on ppl to bomb with less collateral damage. I get that thinking, can even respect it but nobody wants that. They want live-action action figures and double panel spreads. MCU kinda toyed with some of this but then Thanos showed up and no government or agencies cares what these supes can do. RIP Iron Man never forget.

[benjipwns]

I liked how the MCU faithfully adapted Civil War's failure to make anyone care about the reasons for either side including the characters themselves.

Hopefully they can get to Penance at some point, the best character ever created.

[toku]

I liked how the MCU faithfully adapted Civil War's failure to make anyone care about the reasons for either side including the characters themselves.

Hopefully they can get to Penance at some point, the best character ever created.

Penance had a sweet outfit. He's the dude with the spikes right?

[benjipwns]

ON THE INSIDE, ONE FOR EACH VICTIM

[benjipwns]

unironically copy Zsasz's gimmick but in an intentional "good" way

[Joe Molotov]

The second best Crisis is The OMAC Project.

OMAC is basically the intro for Best Crisis, man.

Where does Wonder Woman: Amazons Attack fit in the power rankings?

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[benjipwns]

Yes, they thought BvS did almost all of its revenue on opening weekend then died off because of the bad critical reception. JL got hit a second time because if it was out by a certain date a bunch of executives got multi-million bonuses. That's why they couldn't just scrap most of it and let Whedon shoot something closer to what they wanted. And did stupid things like CGI a mustache off an actor.

Odd to me is BvS has a 28% critic score and 63% audience. JL is 40% and 72%. Which I can't fathom, even with the theatrical cut of BvS.

[Dickie Dee]

I just remembered that Snyder's next movie after Army of the Dead is going to be The Fountainhead 

[Tasty]

BvS theatrical is nonsensical. I'll begrudgingly agree Ultimate Cut actually added a plot.

JL's "problem" in comparison is that it's too plain and shallow. The reliance on reshoots to bang the story into place smoothed out pretty much any kind of (faux-)nuance Snyder may have been intending. "Oh no bad guy is here, let's all beat him up." However, that does play with audiences and critics. Hence, those RT and viewer ratings.

And I don't think giving people what they want is necessarily a bad thing, depends on the context.

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https://twitter.com/YahooMoviesUK/status/1157723387738951681

[toku]

It will be released. I believe. My faith is strong.

[chronovore]

Well yeah the mods banned all the conservatives.

Not sure if srs, but it's more like the conservatives nope-out on us. There are a few who hang around though. 

[kingv]

I liked how the MCU faithfully adapted Civil War's failure to make anyone care about the reasons for either side including the characters themselves.

Hopefully they can get to Penance at some point, the best character ever created.

Penance had a sweet outfit. He's the dude with the spikes right?

Yeah, he’s basically grimdark speedball. And iirc he has spikes on the inside of his costume too, and the spikes like... activate his powers or something so he can hit really hard using his kinetic dumbassery.

Speedball has since stopped giving a fuck about destroying a town and is back to being his old self.

Watched Wonder Woman last night. That Snyder filter still looks fly as hell. And that dope Wonder Woman music.
(Yes I know someone else directed it).

[toku]

https://twitter.com/IndieWire/status/1163729885128298496
https://twitter.com/UberKryptonian/status/1163260308028383238

If Matrix 4 with Wachowski, Keanu and Carrie-Anne can happen then this can happen too.

[Joe Molotov]

Spider-Man to the Snyderverse???

[Great Rumbler]

FRIENDSHIP ENDED WITH DISNEY
NOW WARNER IS MY BEST FRIEND

[Tasty]

Warners was always my BFF

Mostly cause of Batman and The Matrix

Ted Turner's media empire

[Phoenix Dark]

I saw some of Justice League last weekend and man...shit was terrible. For context, I haven't seen all of BvS but enjoyed most of what I've caught on HBO over the last couple years or so. On the flip slide, JL looked downright terrible on every level, from what I saw at least (the first 20min or so, and pieces after that).

[kingv]

my headcanon is that Snyder included the actual Anti-Life Equation in his cut and that's the real reason they had to drop it for legal reasons

I got this book of 5 minutes Batman stories for my kid like three or 4 years ago (she was like 3 or 4) and it had a darkseid story where Superman got possessed the anti-life equation and couldn’t see the purpose of life anymore.

I remember thinking it was a surprisingly heavy story for something meant for pre-schoolers.

The art on half the stories is also surprisingly good. Like one of the dudes draws like Jim Lee and it’s better than the art in half the books you read probably.

I did look up the artist and turns out he did a lot of covers for various books.

[toku]

https://twitter.com/GalGadot/status/1196167460501671936

bless up

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  but also 

[toku]

Can Benji support a pro israel media tool if it means we get closer to the art?

#freepalestine

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/ZackSnyder/status/1196200188743802880

https://twitter.com/Junkie_XL/status/1196111682398867456

https://twitter.com/BenAffleck/status/1196200825766453248

 

[Tasty]

What's going to be annoying is how it'll be held up as superior to theatrical even though it's also shit (see also BvS vs. Ultimate Edition.)

[toku]

What's going to be annoying is how it'll be held up as superior to theatrical even though it's also shit (see also BvS vs. Ultimate Edition.)

It could never work between us.

[Tasty]

What's going to be annoying is how it'll be held up as superior to theatrical even though it's also shit (see also BvS vs. Ultimate Edition.)

It could never work between us.

It's a shame because I am a huge fan of DC, and would probably be jerking myself off nonstop if the timeline were different and Warners pulled off a successful MCU-like shebang. Honestly, that's all I've wanted since I was a kid, and it especially intensified when Justice League/Unlimited finally united Batman TAS and Superman TAS.

Unfortunately I'm also a fan of good movies, which Zack Snyder has yet to approach as a director. He also fundamentally does not understand most of the characters in his DC films. You can dress a dude as a Bat but that doesn't make him Batman.

Does the Snyder cut undo shooting Jimmy Olsen in the face in BvS? I doubt it.

[Tuckers Law]

I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut.  If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format.  Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.

[Tasty]

I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut.  If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format.  Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.

This is always the rub when discussing Snyder, because obviously, a film adapting a comic is necessarily going to be different from the source material. So usually when I discuss not liking Snyder's direction for a DC-based film universe, the line is of course "Oh you want it exactly like the comics/TV shows."

No, I want a good movie.

More than that, if you're labeling something as a "DC movie" and using DC characters, you impose on yourself certain expectations and limitations. If that's disagreeable, the avenue to make a new IP is always open.

I've read a lot of DC comics. There's a lot of great Elseworlds and alternate universe interpretations of Superman and Batman. But what Snyder and WB positioned the DCEU originally as wasn't an "Elseworlds." It was their main cinematic universe to take on Marvel, featuring the first shared-universe versions of Superman and Batman on-film. All this to say, among many other things, the "primary" portrayal of Batman doesn't kill. Period.

WB is giving itself a lot of fan-leeway going forward by ditching the MCU blueprint and focusing on standalone Elseworld-y tales like Joker. And they're certain to earn less of my ire after ditching Snyder.

With any hope, this Snyder Cut will by the dying gasp of his influence on DC films going forward. But he'll probably be a fucking producer or something fucking things up behind the scenes til the end of time.

[Tasty]

They're making a Deadshot movie?

[Tasty]

Also:

He is indeed a producer on:

Wonder Woman '84
Gotham City Sirens
Deadshot
another Untitled DC movie

No wonder WB is going ahead with a Snyder cut, he's still in the inner circle AND Warners gets to double dip on a second version that probably has unfinished effects while simultaneously sating their weirdo fanbase they probably didn't even realize they had before this whole thing blew up.

Part of me wonders how much of this was planned all along.

[Tasty]

Also, for the record, even a Snyder Cut is compromised from the original plan: back when Justice League was two parts, Superman stayed evil after coming back to life (under the Anti-Life Equation) and became a slave to Darkseid, in a clear cliffhanger for Part 2. So I'm not really sure how they can cobble that together for a standalone movie.

[Tuckers Law]

I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut.  If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format.  Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.

This is always the rub when discussing Snyder, because obviously, a film adapting a comic is necessarily going to be different from the source material. So usually when I discuss not liking Snyder's direction for a DC-based film universe, the line is of course "Oh you want it exactly like the comics/TV shows."

No, I want a good movie.

More than that, if you're labeling something as a "DC movie" and using DC characters, you impose on yourself certain expectations and limitations. If that's disagreeable, the avenue to make a new IP is always open.

I've read a lot of DC comics. There's a lot of great Elseworlds and alternate universe interpretations of Superman and Batman. But what Snyder and WB positioned the DCEU originally as wasn't an "Elseworlds." It was their main cinematic universe to take on Marvel, featuring the first shared-universe versions of Superman and Batman on-film. All this to say, among many other things, the "primary" portrayal of Batman doesn't kill. Period.

WB is giving itself a lot of fan-leeway going forward by ditching the MCU blueprint and focusing on standalone Elseworld-y tales like Joker. And they're certain to earn less of my ire after ditching Snyder.

With any hope, this Snyder Cut will by the dying gasp of his influence on DC films going forward. But he'll probably be a fucking producer or something fucking things up behind the scenes til the end of time.

That’s fine, it’s okay to not like things that someone else might like.

You’re kidding yourself for thinking Snyder is the first to break Batman’s no-kill rule, though.  Batman has been killing in the movies since Burton’s Batman.  Even Nolan’s Batman killed.

As for compromise: rarely does a movie make it from page to screen without some manner of compromise, sometimes good and sometimes bad.  We can’t know whether the movie would have only worked as a two-parter as originally envisioned or if Snyder believed changing it to a single movie was better for it.  What we do know is his vision was directly contradicted with studio intervention, by choice or otherwise, and if he feels up to the challenge now of trying to finish what he began, I’m all for it.  We already have precedence for a similar analogue with The Donner Cut of Supes2, so why not?

[Tasty]

I genuinely liked BvS and appreciate Snyder going for something different; I hope they actually release the Snyder cut.  If I wanted just more of the JL/JLU style, I’d rather they make more seasons of that instead of restricting themselves to the movie format.  Young Justice kind of scratches a similar itch as well, so I’m down for more adaptations that don’t strictly adhere to the source material.

This is always the rub when discussing Snyder, because obviously, a film adapting a comic is necessarily going to be different from the source material. So usually when I discuss not liking Snyder's direction for a DC-based film universe, the line is of course "Oh you want it exactly like the comics/TV shows."

No, I want a good movie.

More than that, if you're labeling something as a "DC movie" and using DC characters, you impose on yourself certain expectations and limitations. If that's disagreeable, the avenue to make a new IP is always open.

I've read a lot of DC comics. There's a lot of great Elseworlds and alternate universe interpretations of Superman and Batman. But what Snyder and WB positioned the DCEU originally as wasn't an "Elseworlds." It was their main cinematic universe to take on Marvel, featuring the first shared-universe versions of Superman and Batman on-film. All this to say, among many other things, the "primary" portrayal of Batman doesn't kill. Period.

WB is giving itself a lot of fan-leeway going forward by ditching the MCU blueprint and focusing on standalone Elseworld-y tales like Joker. And they're certain to earn less of my ire after ditching Snyder.

With any hope, this Snyder Cut will by the dying gasp of his influence on DC films going forward. But he'll probably be a fucking producer or something fucking things up behind the scenes til the end of time.

That’s fine, it’s okay to not like things that someone else might like.

You’re kidding yourself for thinking Snyder is the first to break Batman’s no-kill rule, though.  Batman has been killing in the movies since Burton’s Batman.  Even Nolan’s Batman killed.

As for compromise: rarely does a movie make it from page to screen without some manner of compromise, sometimes good and sometimes bad.  We can’t know whether the movie would have only worked as a two-parter as originally envisioned or if Snyder believed changing it to a single movie was better for it.  What we do know is his vision was directly contradicted with studio intervention, by choice or otherwise, and if he feels up to the challenge now of trying to finish what he began, I’m all for it.  We already have precedence for a similar analogue with The Donner Cut of Supes2, so why not?

I'm begrudgingly accepting of this because, as you said, it's a new cut of a film closer to the original intentions of its director. No matter what I will always respect that and advocate for creator-controlled projects in general.

But man, I thought this dude was done with DC. I got my hopes up.

As for "Batman has killed before," it's actually one of my major knocks against Burton's Batman (especially in Batman Returns, where he literally hands a goon a bomb right before it goes off, and I think he toasts some other clowns with the Batmobile too.) But there's something different from that cartoonery, and not-seeing a bunch of offscreen ninjas blow up (Batman Begins), compared to Batman strapping AK-47s to every goddamn vehicle he has, breaking dudes necks like it's nothing, and deliberately blowing two goons to smitherenes on-camera.

Maybe I'm the only one in the world who sees the difference between the situations, but it still bothers me.

Nolan's Batman wasn't "perfect" as an adaptation either, particularly in Rises where he fucks off for ten years because he's sad his non-girlfriend died, but by that point Nolan had earned the right to steer the character in non-canon ways.

[Tasty]

I think Synder would probably do ok with a Kingdom Come adaptation

It'd be just as soulless and filled with on-the-nose music as his Watchmen, and you know it.

As it is, he basically stole his original blueprint for Justice League from Injustice -- the Knightmare scene is obviously blatant, but there's a lot of other stuff too.

[Tasty]

Y'all think the "Batman gets raped" scene will make it to #snydercut? I can see why Warners wouldn't want it in a PG-13 theatrical release, but with #snydercut the sky's the limit!

But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.

[Tuckers Law]

I’m at the least in agreement with you on this: Snyder says some really dumb shit sometimes.

[benjipwns]

Lots of posts in this thread that are not allowed happening. The Anti-Life Equation does not make exceptions.

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https://twitter.com/Variety/status/1196589637331849217

[Momo]

https://screenrant.com/justice-league-movie-zack-snyder-darkseid-image/

[benjipwns]

Damn, I never listened to the full version of Diana's theme from her movie:

 

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I think it might even be better than the original:

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But the short motif version from Justice League

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[Rahxephon91]

To be fair, I think it sucks they have abandon the William's Superman theme.


Though, I guess it wouldn't fit MoS or BvS.

[benjipwns]

Justice League brought it back, but it's kinda weird:


Although I don't particularly like Giacchino's Star Trek themes, I did sorta like the way he incorporated the original fanfare. So I don't particularly mind them using the "most known" Superman and Batman themes in there, but like Stro said, they were weird in Justice League.

Here's the Batman one:

[benjipwns]

I hope they keep everything about Aquaman's theme going forward too, especially the hardcore 80s/Miami Vice breakdown part.

[Nintex]

that's not the aquaman team Benji, this is

[benjipwns]

Snyder did a stream/commentary of BvS a week or so ago talked about some more deets. Apparently he's now selling merchandise with "Zack Snyder's Justice League" on it for charity. Which would probably be the name for any Snyder Cut.

The big thing he revealed is confirming that the "unfilmable" version of Justice League was essentially like Endgame, starting after Darkseid wins and the Anti-Life Equation has conquered the planet. They would form the League "first" in that future to send Flash back to Bruce and Diana to form it sooner. I assume this would also be related to why they had to bring Supes back to life faster. He had mentioned before that the League fighting Superman scene in Justice League was kept over and reworked.

The "Knightmare" in BvS was going to be how the world looked, which is why he was talking about it.

It's funny that now, Warners would probably green light the whole Snyder "Trilogy" if he was pitching it to them fresh rather than calling it unfilmable and being horrified at what he was planning without their oversight. They're producing a New Gods movie, they prefer the "darker" tone to Marvel supposedly, they've signed off on other ideas they were resisting to try and beat Marvel to them, Wonder Woman and Aquaman are both hits, Endgame made billions, etc.

My offer to Warners: I will trade never getting the Snyder Cut for getting an unlimited budget Snyder shot scene of Darkseid's victory speech from Final Crisis for someone else to use in their eventual guaranteed League/Superman vs. Darkseid film unedited.

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[toku]

https://twitter.com/CultureCrave/status/1262521825789046785
https://twitter.com/AlishaGrauso/status/1262481074912768003
https://twitter.com/DRMovieNews1/status/1262520143172767744
https://twitter.com/GraceRandolph/status/1262483441460957185
https://twitter.com/LazyAndroids/status/1262480410300133376

And Jesus answering saith unto them, Have faith in God.

For verily I say unto you, That whosoever shall say unto this mountain, Be thou removed, and be thou cast into the sea; and shall not doubt in his heart, but shall believe that those things which he saith shall come to pass; he shall have whatsoever he saith.

Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when ye pray, believe that ye receive them, and ye shall have them.

Mark 11:22-24

[Great Rumbler]

Good, now people will finally realize what a hack/fraud Snyder is.