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Re: The all-time GOAT is back, baybee!!
« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2019, 09:54:29 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2019, 10:28:02 AM »
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« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2019, 10:55:50 AM »
wow heh, old games. call me when pc actually gets new games, not interested in old games. heh. pathetic.
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« Reply #5 on: March 07, 2019, 11:02:42 AM »
I haven’t played diablo 1 :larry
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« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 11:24:31 AM »
warcraft 1 and 2 are coming too

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« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 12:06:10 PM »
I still have the boxed copy, but my pc doesn't have a drive  :lol

I haven’t played diablo 1 :larry

Best one (by the standards of when I was launched) and very different from 2 and 3.

SP playthrough was actually challenging and the game was a lot lot lot darker in tone then what blizzard has done since

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« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 12:44:36 PM »
Oh shit. Did they put Diablo 2 up as well?
No Blizzard still sells and supports that through battle.net.

There were also rumors they were considering a StarCraft like remaster of II. But they weren't going to do the first game, so GOG asked in and they decided to actually do it.

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« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 12:46:02 PM »
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« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 12:48:45 PM »
Oh shit. Did they put Diablo 2 up as well?
No Blizzard still sells and supports that through battle.net.

There were also rumors they were considering a StarCraft like remaster of II. But they weren't going to do the first game, so GOG asked in and they decided to actually do it.

Id love a remake of one :( guess two as well but one is the true blueprint

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« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2019, 01:02:29 PM »
I still have the boxed copy, but my pc doesn't have a drive  :lol

I haven’t played diablo 1 :larry

Best one (by the standards of when I was launched) and very different from 2 and 3.

SP playthrough was actually challenging and the game was a lot lot lot darker in tone then what blizzard has done since



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« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2019, 01:05:25 PM »
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When Blizzard patched 800x600 resolution support into Diablo II. :dsp
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« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2019, 01:15:19 PM »
i don't know if i'd care to go back to actually replaying diablo but damn that tristram town song is still fantastic


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« Reply #14 on: March 07, 2019, 01:56:09 PM »
Id love a remake of one :( guess two as well but one is the true blueprint
This is partially "remade" to support modern resolutions and stuff like they did to StarCraft. They had to redraw all the sprites or the resolutions would squash and stretch them, they aren't just sized up.

They aren't totally redrawn like StarCraft Remastered, they're the original art as a base.

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« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2019, 06:06:09 AM »
I still have the boxed copy, but my pc doesn't have a drive  :lol

I haven’t played diablo 1 :larry

Best one (by the standards of when I was launched) and very different from 2 and 3.

SP playthrough was actually challenging and the game was a lot lot lot darker in tone then what blizzard has done since



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Re: The all-time GOAT is back, baybee!!
« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2019, 09:06:34 AM »
Played about half an hour yesterday and ended up losing a bunch of progress because I forgot that there's no respawn. :lol
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« Reply #17 on: March 08, 2019, 09:08:37 AM »
There isn't? :larry
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« Reply #18 on: March 08, 2019, 09:10:26 AM »
there sure is! you just respawn in town with none of your shit and have to go back and get it  :doge

oh god now i remember just leaving piles of gear and gold in town cause there's no bank :lol

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« Reply #19 on: March 08, 2019, 09:12:27 AM »
sounds dope
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« Reply #20 on: March 08, 2019, 09:28:53 AM »
there sure is! you just respawn in town with none of your shit and have to go back and get it  :doge

Hmm...maybe I missed something, but when I died it just brought up the main menu.
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« Reply #21 on: March 08, 2019, 09:31:07 AM »
now i'm second guessing myself. was that only for bnet games? the perils of not playing a game for 15 years...

did you have a hardcore character? that's one death and done.

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« Reply #22 on: March 08, 2019, 09:41:30 AM »
Listening to Diablo 2 ost today :aah
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« Reply #23 on: March 08, 2019, 10:13:59 AM »
i thought that was in at the start on D1 but maybe not

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« Reply #24 on: March 08, 2019, 12:30:44 PM »
IIRC, you only had one life in single player. So lots of save scumming. Also, lots of leaving piles of gold around town.

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« Reply #25 on: March 08, 2019, 12:33:24 PM »
I was playing on the single-player, non B-Net version so maybe that was it?
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Re: The all-time GOAT is back, baybee!!
« Reply #26 on: March 08, 2019, 12:47:52 PM »
"Hey let's play a 23 year old game and make excuses for all of the anachronistic design choices as 'challenging'"

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« Reply #27 on: March 08, 2019, 01:25:47 PM »
when's the ps1 version of diablo coming back? that was pretty fun as well.

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« Reply #28 on: March 08, 2019, 03:18:36 PM »
I got it and it doesn't come with the expansion. ???
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« Reply #29 on: March 08, 2019, 03:27:01 PM »
the expansion wasn't made by blizzard, it was sierra. i remember there being some bad blood there so that might making licensing their work difficult.

too bad, the monk was a cool class.

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« Reply #30 on: March 08, 2019, 05:13:15 PM »
the expansion wasn't made by blizzard, it was sierra. i remember there being some bad blood there so that might making licensing their work difficult.

too bad, the monk was a cool class.

https://www.polygon.com/features/2018/6/29/17517376/diablo-hellfire-expansion-behind-the-scenes-trouble

Also you can pirate it and make it work. There's a thread about using the "retail" version to make it work.

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« Reply #31 on: March 08, 2019, 05:21:40 PM »
Just played it for an hour and save for 20% of my clicks not registering this is just as great as ever and shits all over Diablo 3.
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« Reply #32 on: March 08, 2019, 05:27:32 PM »
Can you still hexedit and town kill?

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« Reply #33 on: March 08, 2019, 05:46:30 PM »
Can you still hexedit and town kill?

There was nobody on Battle.net when I checked, but I guess so? :doge

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« Reply #34 on: March 08, 2019, 05:53:00 PM »
timu show me the best wide screen mod
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« Reply #35 on: March 08, 2019, 09:44:30 PM »
timu show me the best wide screen mod


I wouldn't know. I don't really mod too many games...

GoG's forums might be able to help you with that.

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« Reply #36 on: March 09, 2019, 02:26:14 AM »
Damn. This is one of the best crpgs I've ever played. Haven't died yet but it's incredible. It's also great for short sessions. You can literally play it as long or short as you want to.

Haven't gotten quest for the butcher yet. Hope I didn't miss it.
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« Reply #37 on: March 09, 2019, 03:06:41 AM »
You did.

Most of the quests you get are randomly assigned when you start a new game. Only way you can get the Butcher is if you start another playthrough and

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« Reply #38 on: March 09, 2019, 09:21:19 AM »
I got a bow for my rogue that has knockback and it's incredibly OP since it even knocks bosses. Absolutely destroyed the Butcher and barely even got touched fighting King Leoric.
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« Reply #39 on: March 09, 2019, 12:27:53 PM »
You did.

Most of the quests you get are randomly assigned when you start a new game. Only way you can get the Butcher is if you start another playthrough and

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you see a bloody body by the entrance to the labyrinth
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I hope I didn’t pass the butcher quest. Since it’s my first time playing I hope I didn’t just walk past the dude.
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« Reply #40 on: March 09, 2019, 01:35:11 PM »
You did.

Most of the quests you get are randomly assigned when you start a new game. Only way you can get the Butcher is if you start another playthrough and

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you see a bloody body by the entrance to the labyrinth
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I hope I didn’t pass the butcher quest. Since it’s my first time playing I hope I didn’t just walk past the dude.

...You did. If you didn't see the body, you don't have/get the quest.

https://diablo.gamepedia.com/Quests_(Diablo_I)

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« Reply #41 on: March 09, 2019, 04:45:46 PM »
timu show me the best wide screen mod

I believe the best widescreen mod als forces some changes (new fan made enemies and stuff like that) so I never bothered with it.
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« Reply #42 on: March 09, 2019, 04:49:06 PM »
So if I walked by the dying man at the church will he come back eventually.
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« Reply #43 on: March 09, 2019, 05:09:37 PM »
So if I walked by the dying man at the church will he come back eventually.


You misunderstand.

On "new game"/game creation, you have a set amount of quests. You may or may not have that dead body in your game. From what you're saying, you may not have had that body in your game, thereby the Butcher quest isn't in your characters run.

You'll have to remake a new character to see if you get that quest.
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« Reply #44 on: March 09, 2019, 05:37:53 PM »
I didn't misunderstand at all. Never mind.

Anyways, only issue with this game is the lack of a way to easily find loot on the ground. There needs to be an alt high light.
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« Reply #45 on: March 09, 2019, 06:13:35 PM »
This game is so fucking legit. As someone who always enjoys playing Diablo single player it’s fucking amazing as an so experience.

Game really is just over if you die. Dope. Gotta invest in town portals and lots of heal items as a rogue.

On floor 4.

edit: Yeahhhhh, I never got the Butcher quest. Just started up a Warrior game just to see what happens and it's obvious that you can interact with the dying guy. No way I would have missed it.
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« Reply #46 on: March 09, 2019, 06:55:58 PM »
I honestly thought the Butcher was just there automatically.
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« Reply #47 on: March 10, 2019, 12:16:30 AM »
I didn’t play d1 a huge amount but I had the butcher every time. Huh.

D2 was my jam, d3 is aight but my son is really into it so I play with him on Xbox.
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« Reply #48 on: March 10, 2019, 01:23:49 AM »
I thought the butcher was one of the story quests you always get.

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« Reply #49 on: March 10, 2019, 01:38:58 AM »
Butcher was hard.
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« Reply #50 on: March 10, 2019, 05:57:50 AM »
when's the ps1 version of diablo coming back? that was pretty fun as well.
that one might have some more difficult rights issues as it was developed by Climax Studios and published by EA who Blizzard sold "all console rights" to even though EA only did it for PS1 in the end

it is a unique version of the game though versus a more traditional port, was basically created from scratch in many ways just adhering to the original game rules/assets/etc., has two-player co-op, changes how the story is presented completely

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« Reply #51 on: March 10, 2019, 05:00:32 PM »
"The smell of DEATH is all around me!"

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This game is DOPE! I also got a knock back bow for my rogue and it fucking rocks. In some ways I think this may be better than Diablo 2.
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« Reply #52 on: March 10, 2019, 05:01:04 PM »
Back when smartphones were new I was so psyched when my galaxy s2 could emulate the psx version of diablo 1, of course unplayable on touch screen

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« Reply #53 on: March 10, 2019, 05:02:06 PM »
"The smell of DEATH is all around me!"

:gladbron

This game is DOPE! I also got a knock back bow for my rogue and it fucking rocks. In some ways I think this may be better than Diablo 2.

I used a bow as my alternate weapon on my warrior till the end to kill runners and get some shots in

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« Reply #54 on: March 11, 2019, 02:46:03 AM »


This room. I massacred them.
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« Reply #55 on: March 11, 2019, 12:14:08 PM »
"The smell of DEATH is all around me!"

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This game is DOPE! I also got a knock back bow for my rogue and it fucking rocks. In some ways I think this may be better than Diablo 2.

While Diablo 2 improved almost everything from the first game, it also began to streamline a lot of stuff. In a way, Diablo 2 is the starting point for a lot of modern game philosophies where games are very consciously designed around gameplay loops that are built to addict the player. Diablo 1 is very elegant compared to it's contemporaries (especially on PC) but still feels like a hardcore game.
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« Reply #56 on: March 11, 2019, 11:05:55 PM »
Went back and quickly installed D2 LOD and played the first few quests.

Yeah, I think D1 is my favorite Diablo game. It ticks all of my boxes. D2 is the game with all the loot and flash, but less substance and mystery. I've also not used a single potion yet and have been relying level ups for heals. D1 truly is da gawd.
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« Reply #57 on: March 12, 2019, 03:01:16 AM »
I think its amazing you can think that playing the game for the first time in 2019 and nail down why its so good and different.

I like D2 and D3 as well, but they evolved so far from what made D1 so special.

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« Reply #58 on: March 12, 2019, 06:13:39 AM »
I’m really surprised that the overall sentiment towards D2 wasn’t disappointment after D1. I’m going to chalk up D2 as the FFVII of Diablo and D1 as the FFVI for the sake of a bad comparison. I’m going to assume less people played D1 overall than D2.

I’ll be honest. I liked Diablo before playing the first. I wasn’t a mega fan of the genre. Titan Quest was the first game of the genre I played. It was okay. I never grew up on crpgs and came in late so I never played Diablo 2. Diablo 3 was my first Diablo. Before playing it I felt the genre was mediocre at best. Like, I’d play Torchlight and thought the game sucked. But Diablo III was the first game of its kind to suck me in in any real way. I loved the game but never had any reason to replay it with another character. I loved the multiplayer and building up your character over time but overall it was just a giant rabbit hole of endlessness and the overall game wasn’t lean or challenging enough to stand on its own without the addiction loop. Still, I had enough fun for it to last a while and dumped hundreds of hours into it.

At the time I didn’t quite understand the hubbub surrounding why Diablo fans didn’t like 3, but now I do. It was Disney by comparison of D1 and 2. Gone was the isolation and was replaced with a bunch of mercs endlessly talking. Gone was the challenge and thinking. The combat was fun and great though, but thinking that I would use for a game like Baldurs Gate wasn’t present. I was curious why any crpg fan could ever find Diablo a top tier crpg franchise. It was fun and all, but where was the choice? Where was the decision making that made the genre so great?

I later played Diablo 2. I liked it far more, but it was still mostly easy and mindless. Lots of great loot, but that’s meaningless if you mow down most enemies with ease.

I gave Path of Exile a shot and it was just jank.

I pretty much just passed the pc action rpg as just not for me. Not a bad genre but not something robust like the Ultima VII’s, Fallout 2’s, Baldur’s Gate’s of old. I pretty much filed the genre as inferior and vapid.

I bought Diablo 1 on a lark. First of all, it was cheap. Second of all, the premise sounded fun. I was still hesitant and figured I’d have wasted 10 bucks going by how it’s considered “old”. Turns out Diablo 1 is the first pc arpg that has the sensibilities of an actual game with choices rather than shoving endless shiny shit in your face.

Reasons why Diablo 1 is the best arpg:

- the feeling of isolation is unparalleled. As you slowly descend the church you get further and further away from a safe haven and it feels like it too.

- one centralized locale and organic storytelling. You’re not traveling all over the world and fighting in jungles or ancient Egypt Esau’s country. Keep that shit simple, fam. Get in, get out. This makes the characters not only more in depth but there’s a great feeling of slowly unraveling a mystery. You don’t know who the witch on the edge of town is. Turns out she just suddenly showed up the night of the attack. Details are revealed slowly. Why’s Farnham an alcoholic and why’s his mind broken? Oh. OH. Who is Lazarus? Each question is thoroughly examined as you go through the game like the fog of war in an RTS. This makes the storytelling in Diablo 1 involved. By contrast no one will shut up in D2 and 3. Far too much dialogue and spilling the beans through back story.

- Mobs mean death. In D1 you must take every precaution to make quell death. You lack inventory space but that’s okay because loot drops don’t disappear when you leave the game. So you can drop something you don’t need now and save it for later. That’s a decision. Even in the early game you have a pretty big chance of dying and it’s up to the player to best decide how to overcome the odds. Loot helps, but it will not save you alone.

- less drops which makes the loot you find more meaningful.

- the rogue esque singular dungeon motif really fucking works and is far more addictive than D2’s loot cycle. Being able to make it to the next floor, starting the next quest, that shit makes the soul burn.

Diablo 1 is by far the most complete game I’ve ever played in the genre and rivals the best crpgs.

TLDR: I used to think that KOTOR was the turning point for the wrpg. Turns out it was Diablo 2. Diablo 2 was the FFVII of wrprgs. I like D2 and 3 but they aren’t even remotely on par.
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« Reply #59 on: March 12, 2019, 07:48:48 AM »
Well, I only played PoE shortly. I didn't like the way it felt. Maybe I'll give it another shot.
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