River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[Boredfrom]

The lawyer reading the cases while getting drunk in a stream makes me feel that even if they had a case they should lose the case.

[Momo]

You realise that's a excerpt from a 40 page qna right? Dunn's own brother's account supports Meyer's case, Waid's own texts do as well and the timing and content of Mark Waid's phone call fucks him completely, his only hope is to get he case transferred to California and his arguement for that is super fucking dumb.

[Momo]

The lawyer reading the cases while getting drunk in a stream makes me feel that even if they had a case they should lose the case.

Nick Rekieta? Proven asshole also he says some fucked up shit about people, doesn't mean we shouldn't give a lawyer's opion on the law no weight even if he is.

[Boredfrom]

The lawyer reading the cases while getting drunk in a stream makes me feel that even if they had a case they should lose the case.

Nick Rekieta? Proven asshole also he says some fucked up shit about people, doesn't mean we shouldn't give a lawyer's opion on the law no weight even if he is.

Didn’t Avenatti was arrested some three weeks ago?

I’m not a lawyer, so truly dunno either way, but I feel guys invested in Rekieta are getting swindled if only because how unprofessional he is.

[Momo]

Whatever happened to that wholesome German lawyer guy that was trying to sue or get patreon investigated? Last I saw he collected a bunch of money from people and I always got the impression he's going to take the money to run away and start a sausage shop Munich.

[Momo]

The lawyer reading the cases while getting drunk in a stream makes me feel that even if they had a case they should lose the case.

Nick Rekieta? Proven asshole also he says some fucked up shit about people, doesn't mean we shouldn't give a lawyer's opion on the law no weight even if he is.

Didn’t Avenatti was arrested some three weeks ago?

I’m not a lawyer, so truly dunno either way, but I feel guys invested in Rekieta are getting swindled if only because how unprofessional he is.

drunk lawyer had a video where he ripped deep into him when I was checking something about the Vic thing. I can't care about his opinions just by the way, but he's one of the very few people on this with sourced information you can go check yourself, so he's kinda unavoidable if you want to follow this.

[Boredfrom]

Eh, do you really care? Genuinely I can post at length both about why he will win the legal case, what his accusers have been upto Ito being shitty, verified accusations and why they are dumb I can source all this stuff too, I can also post my opion with reasons about why I don't think Vic is the bad guy here, can also post about what I think he needs to work on Ito where I believe he slipped up etc but reading your guys opinions here I doubt you care.

I know all this shit cause I'm still on anime boards, so if you guys want an info dump about the kickvic weebwar I'd be happy to oblige, but only if I thought you really wanted to chat about it.

I mean, all of this sounds like Gamergate 2.0 so I feeling that is going to be a case of “everyone is a scumbag”.

[Momo]

Let's make this a fun sports game, I'm willing to bet both Meyer and Vic wins their cases or its settled in their favour. Losers wear avatar of winner's choice for a week.

That is if anyone remembers this bullshit in 5 years when it's done

[Momo]

Eh, do you really care? Genuinely I can post at length both about why he will win the legal case, what his accusers have been upto Ito being shitty, verified accusations and why they are dumb I can source all this stuff too, I can also post my opion with reasons about why I don't think Vic is the bad guy here, can also post about what I think he needs to work on Ito where I believe he slipped up etc but reading your guys opinions here I doubt you care.

I know all this shit cause I'm still on anime boards, so if you guys want an info dump about the kickvic weebwar I'd be happy to oblige, but only if I thought you really wanted to chat about it.

I mean, all of this sounds like Gamergate 2.0 so I feeling that is going to be a case of “everyone is a scumbag”.

it's not, but it is. The same kinda assholes involved in gamergate are involved here, but the principal person in the case Vic hasnt done anything to indicate he's an asshole. Rekieta? Asshole. YouTubers covering this? Assholes. Fans? Mix of regular people and an influx of gators. Accusers? Assholes. It's a bit less infested with gators than comicsgate though

[Boredfrom]

The lawyer reading the cases while getting drunk in a stream makes me feel that even if they had a case they should lose the case.

Nick Rekieta? Proven asshole also he says some fucked up shit about people, doesn't mean we shouldn't give a lawyer's opion on the law no weight even if he is.

Didn’t Avenatti was arrested some three weeks ago?

I’m not a lawyer, so truly dunno either way, but I feel guys invested in Rekieta are getting swindled if only because how unprofessional he is.

drunk lawyer had a video where he ripped deep into him when I was checking something about the Vic thing. I can't care about his opinions just by the way, but he's one of the very few people on this with sourced information you can go check yourself, so he's kinda unavoidable if you want to follow this.

Here is the thing, I don’t care that much even though I kind of agree that Waid fucked up. I’m mostly annoyed by the vitriol of “comicsgate” because just sidesteps the real reason why “comic books tend to suck now” (bad writing and PR driven events).

[Momo]

That's generally the comicsgate arguement as well. While we both seemingly get to the same conclusion, they get there way differently, their argument is because (mostly marvel) hires writers with little experience and for sjw points/further sjw agendas in media it's crap.

I get there because I believe marvel are hiring young people right out of college and with little to their name because they work almost for free and some if not most of them have some form of social media(that people of this bracket tend to be heavily left leaning should be no surprise to anyone) presence to help sell the books. I also think Marvel caught on to the fact that the quality of a book doesn't change how much it sells by much. Why hire Bendis at his salary or my recent darling Tom King when even his stellar work doesn't ship books? Just hire the cheapest guy with some social cred and be done with it. A lesson I hope DC doesn't learn.

[VomKriege]

entitlement

i mean... why would u end it on a cliffhanger and then not make a sequel?

A cliffhanger generally serves as a bait to get people excited for the sequel (and ensuring commercial success) and / or because the writer(s)  feel they have much more to tell within that story but had to pick a manageable break point. With Steam coasting to being a huge success story, the company had no financial pressure or incentive to release that sequel. And in that sort of situation, even if there was an earnest effort to make the game (as rumoured), the project was heavily susceptible to common development woes (High internal goal for quality and manpower shortage as Valve drifted out of game developing).

I mean it's a bummer for the fans but 15 years in I think anyone would have reasonably accepted the chance of that project being made are random, fairly small and up to some obscure factors or sudden change of fortune for Valve.

[Boredfrom]

Except comics gate genuinely seems to have a chip in the shoulders about this stuff  and pretending comics “were not progressive or inserting BS politics when they were young”.

Also, who the fucks want current Micheal Bendis in anything? He was also as guilty as others in forced representation (Miles being a exception that I suspect never got why he worked) and social media presence.

[Boredfrom]

You guys know the whole plot to Half Life 3 was leaked already by the person who would have been the writer, right?

And sucked ass.

[Momo]

Except comics gate genuinely seems to have a chip in the shoulders about this stuff  and pretending comics “were not progressive or inserting BS politics when they were young”.

Also, who the fucks want current Micheal Bendis in anything? He was also as guilty as others in forced representation (Miles being a exception that I suspect never got why he worked) and social media presence.

no one wants Bendis except Bork in limited circumstances, he's making tasty cry when I told him how he's writing his beloved Superboy. Like I said comicsgate gets to the same conclusion we do, but they get there stupidly and believe for whatever reason that marvel gives a shit apart from exploiting cheap labour for the same ballpark of sales as a seasoned writer. 

[Momo]

The best thing the comicspros could have done about comicsgate is to leave them the fuck alone and let them make their own comics for their audience, I genuinely struggle to understand why they didn't just let them sail off into the sunset with their own stuff and leave them to their audience. Generally it's better for everyone, but now it's getting even more dumb and bitter.

[Transhuman]

Vic seems to realise that the only way forward with his career is to vindicate his character (despite the fact he knows he is guilty) so he is just going to double down, all the way down. Just like Smollet, Cardinal Pell and so many others recently. I guess it works in their favour because money means nothing to these people so they can spend a few hundred-thousand on the slim chance a jury delivers the wrong verdict so they can "resume their normal life". But like OJ found out, it don't mean shit.

[Momo]

Genuinely curious what you think Vic is guilty of.

[Boredfrom]

It got difficult to ignore even before they started. Sites like Comic Alliance that promoted the worst of tumblr identity politics and some non controversies like Paul Levitz “most comic readers are male”. The seed were already there and comics gate just reacted as bad.

[Boredfrom]

Genuinely curious what you think Vic is guilty of.

I’m curious of why do you think he did nothing wrong.

[BisMarckie]

I have no clue what you are talking about.


Ignorance truly is bliss.

[Transhuman]

Genuinely curious what you think Vic is guilty of.

You're right Momo, he's innocent.

And maybe all 60 women were lying about Cosby.

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get a life weeaboo

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[Momo]

It was bad, yes, but I think when it reached the point where comicsgate didn't want to read the comics in question, pros said piss off make your own and the gators actually did, that's when they could have washed their hands of each other, gators get their 'non political' comics, pros get a reprieve from gators harrasing them for 'political comics' and everyone gets a nice time out in their corner, sure they would still shit talk each other but it would surely dissapate if a big portion of gators just read their own shit and stop shouting at people cause they don't like their comics.

[Momo]

Genuinely curious what you think Vic is guilty of.

You're right Momo, he's innocent.

And maybe all 60 women were lying about Cosby.

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get a life weeaboo

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okay fine I'll call you on this. Name one accusation against Vic.

[BIONIC]

Shut the fuck up you dumb fucking cunts

[Transhuman]

Oh man I guess I can't you were right all along

[Transhuman]

https://vicmeggnognahorrorstories.tumblr.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/marchimark/status/1094020618327150592

[Momo]

Genuinely curious what you think Vic is guilty of.

I’m curious of why do you think he did nothing wrong.

There's one specific thing he did that I do not agree with and I want him to own up to, I think he pussied out of that situation instead of being honest about what he was doing, however I don't think it makes him bad. I'm not naming the incident because I'm trying to get transhuman to actually name one specific incident he's accused of because I don't think he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

[Boredfrom]

 

[Momo]

Oh man I guess I can't you were right all along

Go back to regurgitating shit you read and never check up on, also go copy some Amy Schmer routines, seems up your alley.

[james]

Let me guess, you weebos are arguing about something related to anime that no one else cares about

[Momo]

Kay looks like we're getting into it you dumb dumb, brb going to my pc I can't source shit on my phone.

[Transhuman]

Oh man I guess I can't you were right all along

Go back to regurgitating shit you read and never check up on, also go copy some Amy Schmer routines, seems up your alley.

Momo I like you pls don't get butthurt over this

Kay looks like we're getting into it you dumb dumb, brb going to my pc I can't source shit on my phone.

Goddamit James I had just calmed him down

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Im not really following either of these stories because I really DGAF, but AFAICS, in the old days yes, there was definitely an 'old boys network' in comics (like most every profession) and someone could very easily irrevocably damage your career by shit talking you behind your back within that network, but outside of fucking a dudes wife at a conference or something, most people didn't have enough beef with random people to do that.

Nowadays though, everyones got some fucking beef or other with everyone else because some fucking idiot said some stupid shit on twitter and some other fucking idiot has to make a big deal out of it, and the entire fucking thing is aired in public so there probably are paper trails as to who, when, how, and why someone on 'the inside' could and probably did irrevocably fuck up your career.
So Brave New World in this kind of thing being visible, provable, and ultimately litigatable.

yay, twitter.

On a related note, because this is on my twitter and has me 

https://twitter.com/xoxogossipgita/status/1121526014373519360

why?
why just start some shit with someone literally apropos of nothing?

[Boredfrom]

I’m pretty sure there were already pretty petty beefs in comics before twitter.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I’m pretty sure there were already pretty petty beefs in comics before twitter.

Oh no doubt, but it wasn't public knowledge, in the open and continually escalated.

Like, its well known that a lot of people hated Jim Shooter and were fucking thrilled to see the back of him, but nowadays that would be some fucking huge public flame war and you would know everyone involved and exactly where they stood

[Boredfrom]

I feel sorry for Waid even if he acted like an ass. I feel he genuinely believes he is fighting the good fight by getting in this fights.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

its like people get a blue checkmark and suddenly think they're a courtier to Louis XIV or some shit and have to start with the machinations and fuckery

[marrec]

#FreeVic #BanMomo

[thisismyusername]

its like people get a blue checkmark and suddenly think they're a courtier to Louis XIV or some shit and have to start with the machinations and fuckery

I mean did s/h/it lie, though? Joss has some  -level writing.

[james]

If you dont want to be creeped on by anime nerds than dont go to an anime convention which is filled entirely with creepy anime nerds

[Boredfrom]

That Vic guy has been known to creep on girls for the better part of a decade at cons, having never been to one I’ve still heard his name brought up on podcasts/gaf in the same way Singer is an open secret.

I’m sorry, I don’t buy that this is some conspiracy that stretches across different VAs & fans. It doesn’t help that people defending the dude in passing are weird/hostile af and probably either see it as a battle against #metoo or are the type who can’t seperate the man from the animu.

Being fair, it sounds that a lot of people also tried to shit on him because e-fame. His fan base was well known for being bat shit crazy, though.

[Momo]

https://vicmeggnognahorrorstories.tumblr.com

https://mobile.twitter.com/marchimark/status/1094020618327150592

you realize everything he's apparently done has been in the public eye and for a lot of the stuff you can find video and images of it online right? Yes this has happened with many women because it's a bit he plays and is sometimes asked to play as part of his persona; this is his hussle as he makes his money at cons/from his persona cause voice actors dont get paid for shit.




does a variation of this look like a big deal to you? he does it in fucking public, you think anyone is going to be out there thinking he's going to molest people in front of a camera or do you think this is one of those things where he was playing for the benefit of what he thinks the other person wants/photo ops but he's been doing it so long he hasn't really stopped to ask if for permission every time. Also, I can post videos where people ask him to do some inherently sexual stuff and he says no. Can also post videos where people ask him to do borderline things and he agrees, thing is people ask.

[Momo]

That Vic guy has been known to creep on girls for the better part of a decade at cons, having never been to one I’ve still heard his name brought up on podcasts/gaf in the same way Singer is an open secret.

I’m sorry, I don’t buy that this is some conspiracy that stretches across different VAs & fans. It doesn’t help that people defending the dude in passing are weird/hostile af and probably either see it as a battle against #metoo or are the type who can’t seperate the man from the animu.

According to whom? There's a small, specific group of VAs claiming this and some fans in support of them, there's also VAs claiming they know fuckall about this, tons of fans coming out to support people, and most importantly no con owner anywhere has come out and said they ever had a single issue with a Vic booth, who do you want to believe? Also the initial break in this story came from an ANN writer who is friends with on of this specific VAs and the image of 'inappropriate touching' they used had the actual person in the image coming out and telling them to piss off and not use it cause they are making shit up.

[Boredfrom]

I seriously doubt con owners are going to admit “ Vic was a creeper but we ignored him because he brings fans”.

[Transhuman]

I’m pretty sure there were already pretty petty beefs in comics before twitter.

There's gonna be petty beefs in any industry, but especially creative ones. You got fans stoking your ego until you become a pretentious prick, jealousy and rivaly between peers, and critics who were unimpressed. Art, writing, acting, directing. Even figure skaters are bashing each other's kneecaps in and shit. Ego brings out the worst in humanity.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

its like people get a blue checkmark and suddenly think they're a courtier to Louis XIV or some shit and have to start with the machinations and fuckery

I mean did s/h/it lie, though? Joss has some  -level writing.

I'm not gonna defend whedons writing in as much as I don't want to, as its not entirely relevant to just ambushing the dude on something completely irrelevant then leaning back like you just took down billy the kid in a high noon duel or some shit, and its clearly just self-aggrandisement to pick up some followers and maybe get out of being Kotakus special correspondent to

[Momo]

You're all talking from authority on the word of close group of people who's word has been shown to be shit in most everything they directly point to.

Also accusations aside, the truth or untruth about them isnt really why I think Vic wins his case, it's mostly the contract stuff.

[Momo]

I seriously doubt con owners are going to admit “ Vic was a creeper but we ignored him because he brings fans”.

Well the cons dropped him like hot shit, and even now that he's been unpersoned none of them have backed these claims. They're probably mostly just dropping him for PR, what if anything do they have to lose to back people who they are actually working with over an unpersoned leper? Maybe they just really have never heard of this shit.

[Boredfrom]

I seriously doubt con owners are going to admit “ Vic was a creeper but we ignored him because he brings fans”.

Well the cons dropped him like hot shit, and even now that he's been unpersoned none of them have backed these claims. They're probably mostly just dropping him for PR, what if anything do they have to lose to back people who they are actually working with over an unpersoned leper? Maybe they just really have never heard of this shit.

Again, why are they going to back a claim that paints them as “we knew but we ignored it” unless forced to do it?

[Transhuman]

You're all talking from authority on the word of close group of people who's word has been shown to be shit in most everything they directly point to.

Also accusations aside, the truth or untruth about them isnt really why I think Vic wins his case, it's mostly the contract stuff.

"Listen, you can't just take the word of a few dozen people that he's been making unwelcome advances towards women for more than a decade"

"Also, theoretically, if he did do it..."



Don't become a lawyer

[Momo]

I seriously doubt con owners are going to admit “ Vic was a creeper but we ignored him because he brings fans”.

Well the cons dropped him like hot shit, and even now that he's been unpersoned none of them have backed these claims. They're probably mostly just dropping him for PR, what if anything do they have to lose to back people who they are actually working with over an unpersoned leper? Maybe they just really have never heard of this shit.

Again, why are they going to back a claim that paints them as “we knew but we ignored it” unless forced to do it?

Well funimation went out of their way to do so and from the hollywood verse metoo people seemed to fall over each other to say 'we knew all along'. Anyway all of this is going to come out in the wash when Ron Toye is required to back his claims in court. This specific part we're arguing about is speculation.

[Momo]

Is that Joe Biden in his younger days?

He seems to have the same like of touching people 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Is that Joe Biden in his younger days?

this is the future the hover-hands wanted

[Momo]

You're all talking from authority on the word of close group of people who's word has been shown to be shit in most everything they directly point to.

Also accusations aside, the truth or untruth about them isnt really why I think Vic wins his case, it's mostly the contract stuff.

"Listen, you can't just take the word of a few dozen people that he's been making unwelcome advances towards women for more than a decade"

"Also, theoretically, if he did do it..."

 

Don't become a lawyer

dude, fuck off. im done with you.

[Boredfrom]

You're all talking from authority on the word of close group of people who's word has been shown to be shit in most everything they directly point to.

Also accusations aside, the truth or untruth about them isnt really why I think Vic wins his case, it's mostly the contract stuff.

I empathize with you in this, dude. I just feel that the guy bad rep was way back all this and his fan base has been notorious for their insanity.

[Momo]

Genuinely curious what you think Vic is guilty of.

I’m curious of why do you think he did nothing wrong.

There's one specific thing he did that I do not agree with and I want him to own up to, I think he pussied out of that situation instead of being honest about what he was doing, however I don't think it makes him bad. I'm not naming the incident because I'm trying to get transhuman to actually name one specific incident he's accused of because I don't think he knows what the fuck he's talking about.

To answer this, Vic apparently refused to sign some yaoi fanart of goku and vegeta for a fan who paid and stood in line waiting for him. He's deeply religious so you can probably guess it's because he doesnt like 'the gay'. He claimed he didnt want to sign it cause it's not canon and I think it's horseshit and he should have just been honest. That's the specific thing, in general I think he needs to to step back and ensure consent more carefully with the stunts (only do so when asked) and he's pretty much owned up to this in that apology video he made.

[Momo]

You're all talking from authority on the word of close group of people who's word has been shown to be shit in most everything they directly point to.

Also accusations aside, the truth or untruth about them isnt really why I think Vic wins his case, it's mostly the contract stuff.

I empathize with you in this, dude. I just feel that the guy bad rep was way back all this and his fan base has been notorious for their insanity.

If you do care to (you shouldnt this is all dumb) try and find some of the oldest reports of this also do some independent digging on his rep that's not statements from Toye and friends, contrast this will all the positive feedback he has over this time.

His fans are nuts as fuck, I agree. There's a video of a group of fans requesting to dogpile him that seemed to be 16 year old girls. It looks mostly innocent but 

As a side point on the speculation, I dunno if even the most morally bankrupt con owner would let a dude they think is touching kids back into their con for kids. That's carny as fuck. 

[BIONIC]

Is Momo one of those auttistys Assi (PBUH) warned us about?

[thisismyusername]

Assi (PBUH)

No.