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« Reply #20640 on: June 12, 2019, 10:30:39 AM »
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“4channer” is probably the best way to describe CDPR.
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« Reply #20641 on: June 12, 2019, 10:31:31 AM »
anyone with a sleeper account on a wind up will be going hard on that thread. rile them up to the point where any hint that you're even ambivalent about CDPR and cyberpunk 2088 will be grounds for a ban.

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« Reply #20642 on: June 12, 2019, 10:32:39 AM »
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But what is a transperson in the Cyberpunk universe, or more specifically, would there be a strong trans community/identity? Because in the original tabletop RPG sourcebooks, plastic surgery (aka. biosculpting) is cheap, readily available, and can do pretty much anything. A transwoman can be indistinguishable from a cis-woman if she wants, complete with reshaped bone structure and vocal chords, and a fully functional womb and ovaries. And that wouldn't be a particularly startling surgery when you have people grafting claws and feathers and fully functional shark heads to their bodies. That ad simply depicts a person who, for whatever reason, chooses to give a feminine appearance combined with a giant dick.
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So, genuine question: If you want to depict this future where gender fluidity is basically commodified, you just basically shouldn't even do that?

Also, any depiction of truly overt sexualization would be for shock value. This isn't unique to trans people. So to criticize it on that basis, I don't know...
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« Reply #20643 on: June 12, 2019, 10:32:58 AM »
There's a problem with this tangential argument over Ms. Galaxy's veracity:

It doesn't actually matter.

Who cares if she was violated in the ways she claims, those claims have no more practical weight than anyone else's when it comes to denigration or celebration of THQN.

Theoretically, what happened was terrible, but those things that happened are not at all related to THQN hosting an ill-advised AMA on a chan board.

I understand why Benji digs tho, it's what he does, he's a diglett.

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« Reply #20644 on: June 12, 2019, 10:33:43 AM »
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cdpr and gog are clearly going for the gamergate audience

don't support their games

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« Reply #20645 on: June 12, 2019, 10:34:59 AM »

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« Reply #20646 on: June 12, 2019, 10:35:48 AM »
Why do people keep using the word "joke" to describe it?

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« Reply #20647 on: June 12, 2019, 10:35:55 AM »
As someone who thinks that many games benefit from having characters from diverse backgrounds, I can't in any way reccomend anyone to feature trans characters unless the entire game itself is about trans struggle (like that Swery game). There is no such thing as "good" representation, all portrayal of trans individuals is, in my memory of the last 5 or so years of the industry, intensely problematic.

Every element of a trans character is ripe for criticism. Are they too feminine, not feminine enough, do they have a dick or not, are they wearing makeup, etc. If I put a chinese person or a black person in my game, unless they act like a stereotype, people arent going to reject them as valid representation. If the game is abour a squad of soldiers for example, people will accept that there is a chinese or black person on the squad and not flip out. That isnt true of trans people. The appearance of trans or nonbinary people in the work is itself cause for anger, and given that the anger and confusion seems universal no matter what the characters look like, your only option is to trot out a trans person like a show dog when promoting it or just dont tell the community the character is trans before launch.

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« Reply #20648 on: June 12, 2019, 10:36:28 AM »
Ms.Galaxy running ResetERA.com's most insane users into believing that a major corporation actually spreads child pornography is fantastic. I hope it continues endlessly.

They're just cowards for refusing to ever ban any of these criminal Nazis who run the gaming industry. ResetERA.com is a legitimate hate site promoting Vladimir Putin's Polish armies that were founded in GamerGate. That's the main reason I refuse to post my sales analysis there anymore.

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« Reply #20649 on: June 12, 2019, 10:38:05 AM »
There's a problem with this tangential argument over Ms. Galaxy's veracity:

It doesn't actually matter.

Who cares if she was violated in the ways she claims, those claims have no more practical weight than anyone else's when it comes to denigration or celebration of THQN.

Theoretically, what happened was terrible, but those things that happened are not at all related to THQN hosting an ill-advised AMA on a chan board.

Which should be true, but isn't.
Any topic about THQ - even tangentially, like Limited Run Games doing a Red Faction physical pressing - on era is a topic about THQ and Ms. Galaxys claims.

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« Reply #20650 on: June 12, 2019, 10:38:35 AM »
Why do people keep using the word "joke" to describe it?

So they can be offended to be the target of mockery

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« Reply #20651 on: June 12, 2019, 10:38:51 AM »
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They mention in the Twitter discussion that there are several trans people working at the company, as artists, voice actors etc. And apparently they have good relations with them. I don’t think things are as simple as you put it because clearly they are under the influence of a lot of trans people that they have accepted into the company. How they then chose to represent them, well that’s the real mystery.
no no no, none of this

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I mean if the trailers have not give you the “try hard” and edgy vibe yet...

And i’m sure the negative commentary will come. They make the perfect recipe to dismiss any criticism with this game. I’m sure the violence and nudity will further move the alt-right agenda of hate here, and it’ll be all dismissed because this is a highly anticipated game with a cyberpunk futuristic world. This is cdpr, they couldn’t even commit to the female V they showed before, for the marketing.
yes yes yes, more of this

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« Reply #20652 on: June 12, 2019, 10:38:52 AM »
As someone who thinks that many games benefit from having characters from diverse backgrounds, I can't in any way reccomend anyone to feature trans characters unless the entire game itself is about trans struggle (like that Swery game). There is no such thing as "good" representation, all portrayal of trans individuals is, in my memory of the last 5 or so years of the industry, intensely problematic.

Every element of a trans character is ripe for criticism. Are they too feminine, not feminine enough, do they have a dick or not, are they wearing makeup, etc. If I put a chinese person or a black person in my game, unless they act like a stereotype, people arent going to reject them as valid representation. If the game is abour a squad of soldiers for example, people will accept that there is a chinese or black person on the squad and not flip out. That isnt true of trans people. The appearance of trans or nonbinary people in the work is itself cause for anger.

It wouldn't be a bad idea if you're a game dev who wants to include Trans representation in their game to consult a trans dev/writer.

That way you can shield yourself from potential criticism by directing all outrage toward them.

Oh, and also because diversity etc. etc.

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« Reply #20653 on: June 12, 2019, 10:39:25 AM »
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But what is a transperson in the Cyberpunk universe, or more specifically, would there be a strong trans community/identity? Because in the original tabletop RPG sourcebooks, plastic surgery (aka. biosculpting) is cheap, readily available, and can do pretty much anything. A transwoman can be indistinguishable from a cis-woman if she wants, complete with reshaped bone structure and vocal chords, and a fully functional womb and ovaries. And that wouldn't be a particularly startling surgery when you have people grafting claws and feathers and fully functional shark heads to their bodies. That ad simply depicts a person who, for whatever reason, chooses to give a feminine appearance combined with a giant dick.
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So, genuine question: If you want to depict this future where gender fluidity is basically commodified, you just basically shouldn't even do that?

Also, any depiction of truly overt sexualization would be for shock value. This isn't unique to trans people. So to criticize it on that basis, I don't know...
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This shouldn’t be the ideal RE world? Godlike plastic surgery seems to be something they would desire.

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« Reply #20654 on: June 12, 2019, 10:39:59 AM »
Why do people keep using the word "joke" to describe it?
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Yeah, but why specifically transphobia? Especially in this time? It just comes across as "Haha, Trans people LOL!" it's clearly insulting in nature and not in that parodical "Pisswasser" GTA fashion. There's just no reason for it beyond promoting transphobia.

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« Reply #20655 on: June 12, 2019, 10:40:59 AM »
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some people in places where fascist ideas are popular (which, let's face it, is the case in poland, considering which party is in power) defend those ideas by trying to claim it's a part of their culture. then they hijack social justice language and claim that criticism of those fascist ideas is akin to criticizing their culture

the same thing happened a lot in kingdom come deliverance threads

it's a form of arguing in bad faith
also the United States and the United Kingdom pal :bolo

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« Reply #20656 on: June 12, 2019, 10:41:24 AM »
As someone who thinks that many games benefit from having characters from diverse backgrounds, I can't in any way reccomend anyone to feature trans characters unless the entire game itself is about trans struggle (like that Swery game). There is no such thing as "good" representation, all portrayal of trans individuals is, in my memory of the last 5 or so years of the industry, intensely problematic.

Every element of a trans character is ripe for criticism. Are they too feminine, not feminine enough, do they have a dick or not, are they wearing makeup, etc. If I put a chinese person or a black person in my game, unless they act like a stereotype, people arent going to reject them as valid representation. If the game is abour a squad of soldiers for example, people will accept that there is a chinese or black person on the squad and not flip out. That isnt true of trans people. The appearance of trans or nonbinary people in the work is itself cause for anger.

It wouldn't be a bad idea if you're a game dev who wants to include Trans representation in their game to consult a trans dev/writer.

That way you can shield yourself from potential criticism by directing all outrage toward them.

Oh, and also because diversity etc. etc.

you forgot how that worked out?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/waypoint-how-the-red-strings-club-sabotages-its-hopeful-cyberpunk-vision.18193/post-3631590

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« Reply #20657 on: June 12, 2019, 10:41:47 AM »
But they just got Switcher 3 fps :??? will they boycott it as well?
Switcher  :lol

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« Reply #20658 on: June 12, 2019, 10:43:09 AM »
the idea that only women can write women, black people for black people etc is super lame, have women, black and white people write whatever they want and judge the story based on it's strength. A recent example of this going sideways is a black comics writer who's frustrated as fuck because they keep trying to get him to write black chars when he wrote whatever was interesting before.

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« Reply #20659 on: June 12, 2019, 10:44:19 AM »
Ms.Galaxy running ResetERA.com's most insane users into believing that a major corporation actually spreads child pornography is fantastic. I hope it continues endlessly.

They're just cowards for refusing to ever ban any of these criminal Nazis who run the gaming industry. ResetERA.com is a legitimate hate site promoting Vladimir Putin's Polish armies that were founded in GamerGate. That's the main reason I refuse to post my sales analysis there anymore.

https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1137372602631147520

Benji, your love of Cyberpunk is problematic at best.  :doge

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« Reply #20660 on: June 12, 2019, 10:44:21 AM »
I've tried to read through the Tweets and this thread regarding the context to this, and I see a lot of people taking this ad as a joke, which tonally doesn't seem to mesh with anything else? Have we seen any other in-game ads besides the three in that image? Because tonally, hypersexualisation for an energy drink makes sense, but obviously that falls apart if this is the only advert in-game that's like this.
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« Reply #20661 on: June 12, 2019, 10:45:37 AM »
Damn, it went from some 20-year old social media manager meme-ing "Durrr, are you assuming their gender lol" to the transgressive nature of the rogue-state of Poland pretty quickly.

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« Reply #20662 on: June 12, 2019, 10:45:58 AM »
Is Switcher 3 fps the first nazi-funded game on a Nintendo console  :thinking
nintendo predates WWII so i'd argue at some point they had nazi money in their coffers and continue to benefit from it  :shaking

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« Reply #20663 on: June 12, 2019, 10:46:34 AM »
the idea that only women can write women, black people for black people etc is super lame, have women, black and white people write whatever they want and judge the story based on it's strength. A recent example of this going sideways is a black comics writer who's frustrated as fuck because they keep trying to get him to write black chars when he wrote whatever was interesting before.

The problem when you expand that into murkier gender identity territory without much representation is that you end up with cis-dudes trying to write what they think is a well-represented trans character but just getting shit wrong left and right. Research on these topics can only take you so far because the rules seem to be different depending on who is creating the content.

Better to cover your bases when it comes to what has become a third-rail of representation.

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« Reply #20664 on: June 12, 2019, 10:47:04 AM »
Every element of a trans character is ripe for criticism. Are they too feminine, not feminine enough, do they have a dick or not, are they wearing makeup, etc. If I put a chinese person or a black person in my game, unless they act like a stereotype, people arent going to reject them as valid representation. If the game is abour a squad of soldiers for example, people will accept that there is a chinese or black person on the squad and not flip out.

i don't think you're right there, there's a strict code of conduct that you have to abide to for any character that isn't essentially a straight white male, who can be anything you want them to be. this means all the best characters tend to be straight white guys since you can write them free of any baggage, instead of getting cancelled for not making them positive representations.

the housers ignore this shit for the most part though and for whatever reason have always gotten away with it.

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« Reply #20665 on: June 12, 2019, 10:47:20 AM »
I don't support Cyberpunk at all. I believe the entire nation of Poland should be wiped off the face of the Earth. Ideally, it would be divided between the fascist homeland of Germany and the Nazi hellscape of Russia along with some parts granted to the heirs of the Hapsburg line.

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« Reply #20666 on: June 12, 2019, 10:49:59 AM »
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Genuinely curious how many people that say this image isn't fetishised are trolling and how many are ignorant. Its a clearly fetishised image and I'm also interested to understand if the intent was to be more inclusive of the trans community just by including it and they are just so ignorant that they didn't realise they were being ignorant here.

If they have an active trans community in their workforce why did they not consult with them before including this in the game?
Exactly, that community would have instantly rejected this for its blatant Polish nature.

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You can address the material, but you gotta do it tactfully, to not come off as glorifying the objectification/fetishization of a marginalized group and using them for shock value; something you can’t blindly trust a group of cis dudes, and especially this company, to do
Gets it. Fucking cis dudes.

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« Reply #20667 on: June 12, 2019, 10:52:30 AM »
I'm starting the put the pieces together, Benji is actually a adjutant Karl von Habsburg and is working to re-establish the Habsburg-Lorraine domination of europe

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« Reply #20668 on: June 12, 2019, 10:54:37 AM »
So many people in here focused on the poor action gameplay when the entire game seems to be throwing up every possible signal to attract the alt-right. These aren't simple mistakes CDPR is making. These are purposeful political statements.

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« Reply #20669 on: June 12, 2019, 10:54:59 AM »
https://russian.rt.com/nopolitics/news/639648-kianu-rivz-igra

I can‘t read cyrillic, but I am pretty sure this article in Russia Today is about CDPR agreeing to further the Russian alt-right agenda.

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« Reply #20670 on: June 12, 2019, 10:56:06 AM »
So many people in here focused on the poor action gameplay when the entire game seems to be throwing up every possible signal to attract the alt-right. These aren't simple mistakes CDPR is making. These are purposeful political statements.

These aren't simple mistakes.  The child porn loving nation of Poland doesn't make "mistakes".

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« Reply #20671 on: June 12, 2019, 10:57:05 AM »
I love how we go from a single guy posting shitty memes, to the whole of Poland need wiping off the face of the earth for their actions and deeds.


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« Reply #20672 on: June 12, 2019, 10:57:15 AM »
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I think CDPR, given their track record, ought to release a set short stories that give context to the representation, idolization, cultural appropriation and fetishization within the game world.
Yeah, that'll take care of things. :lol

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« Reply #20673 on: June 12, 2019, 10:58:51 AM »
the idea that only women can write women, black people for black people etc is super lame, have women, black and white people write whatever they want and judge the story based on it's strength. A recent example of this going sideways is a black comics writer who's frustrated as fuck because they keep trying to get him to write black chars when he wrote whatever was interesting before.

No, obviously this isn't doing enough.

Ultimately, what you'd want is women to only hang out with women etc. That's the dream.

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« Reply #20674 on: June 12, 2019, 10:59:23 AM »
The problem when you expand that into murkier gender identity territory without much representation is that you end up with cis-dudes trying to write what they think is a well-represented trans character but just getting shit wrong left and right. Research on these topics can only take you so far because the rules seem to be different depending on who is creating the content.

Which is ultimately where all the problems stem from; the concept that authorial identity matters more than the authored text itself.

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« Reply #20675 on: June 12, 2019, 10:59:53 AM »
Can't wait to be ashamed of my words and deeds once CDPR releases the short story behind energy drink swilling throbbing dick girl.


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« Reply #20676 on: June 12, 2019, 11:01:10 AM »
> constantly insists that trans women are women regardless of genitalia

> Gets an ad of a trans woman with a penis in a game, showing that trans women have become so accepted into that society that they have ads of obviously trans women in public

> this articulates a society where trans women are accepted

> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

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« Reply #20677 on: June 12, 2019, 11:01:13 AM »
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Pondsmith is in dire need of money, so at the moment I think he'd agree to anything that CDPR says or does.
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« Reply #20678 on: June 12, 2019, 11:01:39 AM »
So many people in here focused on the poor action gameplay when the entire game seems to be throwing up every possible signal to attract the alt-right. These aren't simple mistakes CDPR is making. These are purposeful political statements.

I haven't seen the *boogie_both_sides.gif* in Cyberpunk 2077, so maybe not every possible signal.
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« Reply #20679 on: June 12, 2019, 11:01:55 AM »
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I think CDPR, given their track record, ought to release a set short stories that give context to the representation, idolization, cultural appropriation and fetishization within the game world.
Yeah, that'll take care of things. :lol
if only there was some way to learn about "official" lore from the cyberpunk video game. like maybe some novels or, i dunno, 30 years of roleplaying materials collected somewhere. probably impossible.

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« Reply #20680 on: June 12, 2019, 11:02:36 AM »
the game plays like shit, but the real issue is the problematic undertones. Gaming is in a weird ass place.

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« Reply #20681 on: June 12, 2019, 11:03:24 AM »
if only there was some way to learn about "official" lore from the cyberpunk video game. like maybe some novels or, i dunno, 30 years of roleplaying materials collected somewhere. probably impossible.
but on the other hand, GOG once tweeted an image from Postal 2 with the date of the founding of GamerGate on it

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« Reply #20682 on: June 12, 2019, 11:04:25 AM »
> constantly insists that trans women are women regardless of genitalia

> Gets an ad of a trans woman with a penis in a game, showing that trans women have become so accepted into that society that they have ads of obviously trans women in public

> this articulates a society where trans women are accepted

> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Counterpoint: the dick is HUGE

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« Reply #20683 on: June 12, 2019, 11:05:02 AM »
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If they have an active trans community in their workforce why did they not consult with them before including this in the game?
Maybe they did and they were fine with it.

Also it is totally fetishitised. I’m just fine with big dick chicks being fetishitised. Jon Waters films are fetishitised and include some less than PC material. That’s what makes them good.

Like the LGBTQ community isn’t hive mind.
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« Reply #20684 on: June 12, 2019, 11:05:03 AM »
so who's setting up a gofundme to get dick girl tattoo


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« Reply #20686 on: June 12, 2019, 11:05:57 AM »
> constantly insists that trans women are women regardless of genitalia

> Gets an ad of a trans woman with a penis in a game, showing that trans women have become so accepted into that society that they have ads of obviously trans women in public

> this articulates a society where trans women are accepted

> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE


lol nope. It's as inclusive as a billboard of a Mexican hopping over the border to have a sleep on our new DreamEZ bed range.

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« Reply #20687 on: June 12, 2019, 11:07:18 AM »
Every element of a trans character is ripe for criticism. Are they too feminine, not feminine enough, do they have a dick or not, are they wearing makeup, etc. If I put a chinese person or a black person in my game, unless they act like a stereotype, people arent going to reject them as valid representation. If the game is abour a squad of soldiers for example, people will accept that there is a chinese or black person on the squad and not flip out.

i don't think you're right there, there's a strict code of conduct that you have to abide to for any character that isn't essentially a straight white male, who can be anything you want them to be. this means all the best characters tend to be straight white guys since you can write them free of any baggage, instead of getting cancelled for not making them positive representations.

the housers ignore this shit for the most part though and for whatever reason have always gotten away with it.

Nah, is mostly because the “code of conduct” is result of a ton of racist stereotypes or undertones (some malicious and others well intentioned). White males in fiction can also fall in certain stereotypes.


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« Reply #20688 on: June 12, 2019, 11:08:05 AM »
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For this who don't get the complaints: By itself the ad is fine, sex & fetishization sells and in a non-transphobic future capitalist society then it's not out of place for this ad to exist to sell drinks, much like how Carl's Jr used fetishization of women to sell animal flesh.

The real problem is the context surrounding how CDPR, the polish government, and global society treats trans people. Maybe if trans representation in games (and CDPR in particular) was actually good then this would be fine. But they aren't willing to do that and it's just a spit in the face.
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« Reply #20690 on: June 12, 2019, 11:10:11 AM »
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I don't necessarily think so. If the movie Black Panther had a black guy functioning as comedy relief by eating watermelon, complaining about unemployment and stealing bikes, then I would criticize that part of the movie and see the entire movie in a new light. Having decent representation shouldn't allow people to do a poor job in separate instances.
In CD Projekt Red's case, there is a bad history, and I feel like their decisions are not aligned with a discourse that supports LGBTQ+ people. It's not a problem that can be solved by just removing that advert and that representation of the character. There will always be a next time until they change their culture, and for now, even if they tried to show a trans person being sexualized as a social critique against fetishization, most people wouldn't believe that message as sincere, because of their ethos as a company that has not engaged in trans-friendly activities.
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Maybe they did and they were fine with it.

Also it is totally fetishitised. I’m just fine with big dick chicks being fetishitised. Jon Waters films are fetishitised and include some less than PC material. That’s what makes them good.

Like the LGBTQ community isn’t hive mind.
Except that this fetishization creates actual fucking problems for trans people in the real world so maybe let's not make that worse by reinforcing that in the mainstream.
oh my god


BisMarckie

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20692 on: June 12, 2019, 11:10:35 AM »
> constantly insists that trans women are women regardless of genitalia

> Gets an ad of a trans woman with a penis in a game, showing that trans women have become so accepted into that society that they have ads of obviously trans women in public

> this articulates a society where trans women are accepted

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lol nope. It's as inclusive as a billboard of a Mexican hopping over the border to have a sleep on our new DreamEZ bed range.

I heard that Mexicans are so oppressed in Poland that the Polish government made us believe that they don‘t even exist in their country.

benjipwns

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20693 on: June 12, 2019, 11:12:15 AM »
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Them trying to do this with their very recent and very public history doesn't work at all if it wasn't accompanied by some explanation. The fact that it seems to be a shitty GTA-style throwaway joke ad that you laugh at for a second and move on doesn't help. But maybe it's not and there will be storytelling around this billboard and why it exists in this society. Idk. They said their little thing about the game world being shocking and fucked up last E3, but if they're just going to show glimpses of it without context for the next 9 months and not talk about how it's placed in the world they're fucking idiots and makes me suspect the thoughtfulness people might cling to being in the full game will not be there at all.
it's a fucking screen grab from an nvidia ray tracing demonstration and they wanted CDPR to write a fucking book about it first :rofl

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20694 on: June 12, 2019, 11:12:25 AM »
At least someone is treating trans people

Amirite

BisMarckie

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20695 on: June 12, 2019, 11:13:42 AM »
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Them trying to do this with their very recent and very public history doesn't work at all if it wasn't accompanied by some explanation. The fact that it seems to be a shitty GTA-style throwaway joke ad that you laugh at for a second and move on doesn't help. But maybe it's not and there will be storytelling around this billboard and why it exists in this society. Idk. They said their little thing about the game world being shocking and fucked up last E3, but if they're just going to show glimpses of it without context for the next 9 months and not talk about how it's placed in the world they're fucking idiots and makes me suspect the thoughtfulness people might cling to being in the full game will not be there at all.
it's a fucking screen grab from an nvidia ray tracing demonstration and they wanted CDPR to write a fucking book about it first :rofl

I think it‘s pretty fucked up that CDPR chose that image for their global ad campaign.

Himu

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20696 on: June 12, 2019, 11:13:51 AM »
> rightfully complains about people dehumanizing lgbt people

> lgbt person doesn't agree with you

> expresses dehumanizing rhetoric about how this persons opinions are not legitimate

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benjipwns

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20697 on: June 12, 2019, 11:14:10 AM »
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But fetishisation has always been an important part of queer culture? From Jon Waters to Priscilla to drag (I know, a different, but intertwined culturally, thing).
Fetishization of trans people isn't an important part of queer culture and leads to us being treated as sub human fuckdolls.
lol get over yourself

BisMarckie

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20698 on: June 12, 2019, 11:15:21 AM »
ban Lech Walesa
ban John Paul II

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Himu

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Re: River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible
« Reply #20699 on: June 12, 2019, 11:15:51 AM »
someone plz make me an avatar of the cyberpunk trans girl
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