River Of Slime |OT| Mission: Impossible

[benjipwns]

Having just skimmed that story one thing sorta stood out to me, none of these people knew how to talk to each other, literally everything is done passively aggressively and privately putting burdens all on themselves or forming tiny sub groups instead of (unless I missed it) somebody going "hey wtf we gotta do this here thing" but instead they all go to therapy and get on meds in hopes that'll solve it while making lists or sharing things quietly lest anyone find out.

And there's how the whole thing started too:

In June of 2013 I was a typical struggling freelance animator, designer, and artist. Alec saw my tweets, which he thought were funny, and my animations, which I guess he thought were funny as well. He got in touch and asked if I’d ever wanted to make a video game. And of course I had. We spoke for the first time that very night.

...

I was a 32 year old artist who had struggled to make a living since I was 18. I had been married for almost a decade. I live in Pittsburgh. Alec was 29, a wealthy game developer coming off a huge success, living in a house with a bunch of other younger developers, in Vancouver. I knew little about Canada. Alec knew next to nothing about the US. I remember him asking me what the chances were that he would get shot if he visited Pittsburgh.

Scott Benson shouldn't be writing a tell-all attempting to both absolve himself and yet explain the situation away not because it's gauche, but because it shows he still doesn't understand why it fell apart. And even more, he doesn't understand why the suicide or the abuse wasn't his fault either.

It's because everyone these days on Twitter has self diagnosed PTSD (and everything else) that he can so casually fling around the claim that Alec has given gobs of people PTSD while there's practically no details on what exactly led to this that would fit the definition.

edit: that said, Alec does sound like he was potentially BPD, and it's not uncommon for them to resist their meds, nor are they easy to handle especially if you don't know the person like all the people in this story don't really seem to have known him, Alec just sorta dropping people and everything for periods sounds similar too

Benson's story is much more informative, even if unintentionally so, than Zoe's (there's a shocker) but I really wouldn't blame either of them at all for this (even if Zoe herself is potentially a serious mental case) and not sure I would even consider Zoe's post a trigger inherently, cases like this can be weird especially for everyone else who is thinking normally and can say oh it's this-this-and-this when maybe it was the soup can talking to you that was the real cause

[benjipwns]

That first one is nakedly gross

Speaking of nakedly gross, did you see the "patriarchist libertarian" dude I found for you: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nathan_Larson_(politician)

He served 14 months in prison for the felony of threatening the President’s life. He has advocated greatly curtailing women's rights and decriminalizing child sexual abuse and incest, and is a white supremacist.

Larson created internet chat rooms for self-identified "incels" (involuntarily celibate men) and for pedophiles, suiped.org and incelocalypse.today, and wrote posts on the sites endorsing child rape and describing himself as a "hebephilic rapist".[2] Both sites were removed by the hosting company in late May 2018 after a complaint by the website Babe.net.[2][3][22] He told The Huffington Post in response to a question about whether he is actually a pedophile or merely writes about it online, "It's a mix of both ... When people go over the top there’s a grain of truth to what they say."[6][2] He described the term as "vague" and described men being attracted to underage girls as "normal".

In August 2010 he wrote to the federal prosecutor describing the mental health treatment he had received after his conviction as "a complete waste of taxpayer money" since he did not have a mental illness, and announced that he would violate the terms of his release from prison: "If you happen to hear the distinctive sound of gunfire of a Solothurn S-18/100 20 mm Anti-Tank Cannon emanating from my backyard, as cardboard cutouts of statist federal politicians, federal judges, federal prosecutors, and federal agents become riddled with large, ragged bullet holes, please know, that there is nothing amiss; it is just me engaging in target practice".

[Uncle]

Having just skimmed that story one thing sorta stood out to me, none of these people knew how to talk to each other, literally everything is done passively aggressively and privately putting burdens all on themselves or forming tiny sub groups instead of (unless I missed it) somebody going "hey wtf we gotta do this here thing" but instead they all go to therapy and get on meds in hopes that'll solve it while making lists or sharing things quietly lest anyone find out.

additionally, the ONE time everything worked out and the situation improved?

Right around then something happened that was in hindsight miraculous. We’d later joke it was a Christmas miracle. Bethany had had it with Alec. One morning she created a private twitter account to vent to some friends about it. She did not hold back. Over a couple dozen tweets she laid out, emphatically, how much Alec was ruining our lives. How he was cruel to me, and how I had needed to step up and do most of the work, and how Alec was this, and that, etc. Afterward having vented, she took a walk. I woke up not long after to a Slack message from Alec. There was a screenshot of her tweets with his message: “OK.”
Bethany had forgotten to make her private account private. In her tweets she’d mentioned another game he’d been working on and I guess he had a google alert notification thing set up for it, so he was immediately alerted to this 3 follower account that was yelling about him. I panicked, called Bethany asking her what the fuck happened, jumped in the car with no shoes on, and floored it across the neighborhood to pick her up. I thought I might actually have a heart attack and die right there. My heart had been feeling weird lately. It fluttered and pumped weird. This plus the overwork led to health issues down the line. Bethany deleted the account. Bekah and Adam talked to Alec. Within a few days he… changed. He said he understood what he’d done. And within a week or so he was back to work on the game. And that’s how Bethany forgetting to make her tweets private saved Night In The Woods in late December, 2015.

EVERYONE FUCKING TALKED TO EACH OTHER LIKE ADULTS

[benjipwns]

when that happens and people find private accounts or whatever like that, way too many people think "just delete it and hide" when the person probably will understand and forgive you because they're actually mad that you were keeping it from them, not so much what you were saying

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Having just skimmed that story one thing sorta stood out to me, none of these people knew how to talk to each other, literally everything is done passively aggressively and privately putting burdens all on themselves or forming tiny sub groups instead of (unless I missed it) somebody going "hey wtf we gotta do this here thing" but instead they all go to therapy and get on meds in hopes that'll solve it while making lists or sharing things quietly lest anyone find out.

additionally, the ONE time everything worked out and the situation improved?

Right around then something happened that was in hindsight miraculous. We’d later joke it was a Christmas miracle. Bethany had had it with Alec. One morning she created a private twitter account to vent to some friends about it. She did not hold back. Over a couple dozen tweets she laid out, emphatically, how much Alec was ruining our lives. How he was cruel to me, and how I had needed to step up and do most of the work, and how Alec was this, and that, etc. Afterward having vented, she took a walk. I woke up not long after to a Slack message from Alec. There was a screenshot of her tweets with his message: “OK.”
Bethany had forgotten to make her private account private. In her tweets she’d mentioned another game he’d been working on and I guess he had a google alert notification thing set up for it, so he was immediately alerted to this 3 follower account that was yelling about him. I panicked, called Bethany asking her what the fuck happened, jumped in the car with no shoes on, and floored it across the neighborhood to pick her up. I thought I might actually have a heart attack and die right there. My heart had been feeling weird lately. It fluttered and pumped weird. This plus the overwork led to health issues down the line. Bethany deleted the account. Bekah and Adam talked to Alec. Within a few days he… changed. He said he understood what he’d done. And within a week or so he was back to work on the game. And that’s how Bethany forgetting to make her tweets private saved Night In The Woods in late December, 2015.

EVERYONE FUCKING TALKED TO EACH OTHER LIKE ADULTS

by accident

[Boredfrom]

I believe Benson story, but I also believe he still kind of clueless about all this ordeal of him and Alec. Is kind of telling that at one point he admits he has no idea of how Alec social circle operates.

[Kunai With Chain]

Why would you create a twitter account just to rant at someone in private if it was meant only for the view of few friends? Have these people not heard of whatsapp or any other dozen or so popular messaging apps? Makes me think maybe she was hoping it would somehow find its way to him through mutual acquaintances.

[Boredfrom]

Having just skimmed that story one thing sorta stood out to me, none of these people knew how to talk to each other, literally everything is done passively aggressively and privately putting burdens all on themselves or forming tiny sub groups instead of (unless I missed it) somebody going "hey wtf we gotta do this here thing" but instead they all go to therapy and get on meds in hopes that'll solve it while making lists or sharing things quietly lest anyone find out.

additionally, the ONE time everything worked out and the situation improved?

Right around then something happened that was in hindsight miraculous. We’d later joke it was a Christmas miracle. Bethany had had it with Alec. One morning she created a private twitter account to vent to some friends about it. She did not hold back. Over a couple dozen tweets she laid out, emphatically, how much Alec was ruining our lives. How he was cruel to me, and how I had needed to step up and do most of the work, and how Alec was this, and that, etc. Afterward having vented, she took a walk. I woke up not long after to a Slack message from Alec. There was a screenshot of her tweets with his message: “OK.”
Bethany had forgotten to make her private account private. In her tweets she’d mentioned another game he’d been working on and I guess he had a google alert notification thing set up for it, so he was immediately alerted to this 3 follower account that was yelling about him. I panicked, called Bethany asking her what the fuck happened, jumped in the car with no shoes on, and floored it across the neighborhood to pick her up. I thought I might actually have a heart attack and die right there. My heart had been feeling weird lately. It fluttered and pumped weird. This plus the overwork led to health issues down the line. Bethany deleted the account. Bekah and Adam talked to Alec. Within a few days he… changed. He said he understood what he’d done. And within a week or so he was back to work on the game. And that’s how Bethany forgetting to make her tweets private saved Night In The Woods in late December, 2015.

EVERYONE FUCKING TALKED TO EACH OTHER LIKE ADULTS

Why the fuck create a twitter account to shit talk your husband’s coworker? 

[Transhuman]

https://medium.com/@bombsfall/alec-2618dc1e23e

[benjipwns]

people do shit on Facebook and Twitter, under their real names, publicly, and then are flabbergasted when their bosses tell them to shut the fuck up about their coworkers, this happens every other month in academia

[benjipwns]

I believe Benson story, but I also believe he still kind of clueless about all this ordeal of him and Alec. Is kind of telling that at one point he admits he has no idea of how Alec social circle operates.

oh yes, he's clueless, it takes like the fortieth therapist mentioned in the story to finally get him to understand how he's not responsible for literally everything Alec ever does, especially with people he's never met that Alec is seemingly doing the same stuff to

[Momo]

Why the fuck create a twitter account to shit talk your husband’s coworker? 

classic post 2007 social media internetter. Here I am going through 3 vpns, a temporary vm, multiple proxies and multilayered in transit and at rest encryption to tell my gf to buy milk before she comes home.

[Ghoul]

the only hobbes tweet that "blew up" is stolen content 

pls ban for piracy

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-cancel-culture-actually-a-real-thing.138969/

ITT the usual suspects advocating 'justice' at any cost, and anyone who disagrees is a bigot again

Yeah maybe they did but that doesn't make the term inherently "right-wing". The concept of "cancel culture" is neutral and can be used by anybody. We are not at a point where you see the words "cancel culture" and you assume right-wing talking points are about to be repeated.

We totally are haha

perhaps you too are a bigot hahaha

[daemon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-cancel-culture-actually-a-real-thing.138969/

ITT the usual suspects advocating 'justice' at any cost, and anyone who disagrees is a bigot again

Yeah maybe they did but that doesn't make the term inherently "right-wing". The concept of "cancel culture" is neutral and can be used by anybody. We are not at a point where you see the words "cancel culture" and you assume right-wing talking points are about to be repeated.

We totally are haha

perhaps you too are a bigot hahaha

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-cancel-culture-actually-a-real-thing.138969/#post-24197005

Would that it were so simple.
Lots of people who get "cancelled" actually turn out ok or better in the end thanks to right wingers' selective empathy.

So right wingers have empathy for people getting cancelled over jokes or bad takes. Shit, I guess I prefer to be in the right-wing side on this one.

[benjipwns]

There are folks that show up in these threads consistently, who show all the red flags of the type of person who will be on a different board in two years saying things like “I used to be liberal, but I was pushed to the right by leftists!”

thinking everyone won't be on a different board in two years 

[benjipwns]

also this account is totally a fucking alt:

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[BisMarckie]

Ahsoka
Shokaa
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[Ghoul]

Ahsoka
Shokaa
Shosta

disgraced mod shosta going in to be shokaa new mod and leader of thebire.com infiltration, I wonder who the sad fuck who does approvals is

[daemon]

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35 posts a day. What the fuck.

[james]

Nintendo direct today bitches, my body is ready to explode on my computer screen.

Who is with me?

 

[Uncle]

Nintendo direct today bitches, my body is ready to explode on my computer screen.

Who is with me?

 

   http://www.thebore.com/forum/index.php?topic=44542.6180

[Raist]

Nintendo direct today bitches, my body is ready to explode on my computer screen.

Who is with me?

 

All the other 10yo posting on this forum.

[bork]

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The avatar is Kitty Pryde from X-Men- excelsiorlef uses a Kitty Pryde avatar, too. 

[thisismyusername]

Himu, post if you're okay:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1026680/FINAL_FANTASY_VIII__REMASTERED/

(the reviews)





To think you basically are repaying for the previous Steam version (with the same achievements, in fact!) with just slightly changed/modded models.

Oh my fucking god, they didn't have the source code, so they had a ton of work to do either way, and then they just... made slightly more current looking models?

Worse, the models look exceptionally well (just a step below FFX) but they have these blurry ass artifact-y backdrops.

Basically. What makes it even worse is that they didn't update the backgrounds to try to make it look less out of place.



Cid.

[benjipwns]

I really wish Sega would step in here as the parent company. Atlus are making themselves look like fools.

[daemon]

Himu, post if you're okay:

https://store.steampowered.com/app/1026680/FINAL_FANTASY_VIII__REMASTERED/

(the reviews)





To think you basically are repaying for the previous Steam version (with the same achievements, in fact!) with just slightly changed/modded models.

Oh my fucking god, they didn't have the source code, so they had a ton of work to do either way, and then they just... made slightly more current looking models?

Worse, the models look exceptionally well (just a step below FFX) but they have these blurry ass artifact-y backdrops.

Basically. What makes it even worse is that they didn't update the backgrounds to try to make it look less out of place.

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Cid.

Cid Kramer got hit with sexual misconduct charge. Square-Enix are just censoring him.

Also, the classroom with censored students were all members of Gamergate.

[HaughtyFrank]

Nintendo direct today bitches, my body is ready to explode on my computer screen.

Who is with me?

 

My boner is so fucking rock hard!!! Ugggggghhhh!!!!! It hurts!!!

[james]

Nintendo direct today bitches, my body is ready to explode on my computer screen.

Who is with me?

 

All the other 10yo posting on this forum.

Cindi, HALP

[Cauliflower Of Love]

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Stop doxxing me.

[james]

Nintendo direct today bitches, my body is ready to explode on my computer screen.

Who is with me?

 

My boner is so fucking rock hard!!! Ugggggghhhh!!!!! It hurts!!!

Let's sword fight!

[thisismyusername]

Speaking of GAF 2.0:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/doom-eternal-4chan-leak-seemingly-legit.138955/

>Hugo Martin lurks /v/

You just know they're  ing right now.

[demi]

That post is also incredibly fake. Lol

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/doom-eternal-4chan-leak-seemingly-legit.138955/#post-24195021

/v/ is a shithole, which, along with /pol/, has just about infected the rest of the site. But leaks are leaks regardless.

From V to pol in three words. 

[daemon]

[Tasty]

All the other 10yo posting on this forum.

My boner is so fucking rock hard!!! Ugggggghhhh!!!!! It hurts!!!

[Ghoul]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/scott-benson-details-his-history-with-alec-holowka.138962/page-3#post-24201574

HOLY SHIT. He killed himself? The old thread was no longer being bumped so I didn't see it, and assumed that Scott's write up meant he like, "died" in the sense of cancelled.

Zoe and others clearly dealt with a guy who was acting awful, but also he was someone who was sick. This forum and others need to take this as a serious warning sign, and become able to talk about people doing wrong things without the toxicity of saying they are evil people just because they do bad things. The culture in that last thread seemed to revel in attacking a guy who we must continue to say (clearly and directly) did really horrible stuff.

Replies include:

He was a serial abuser. For years. I'm sorry, but nobody is under any responsibility of playing kid gloves with someone who spent more than a decade destroying people's lives and then moving on to new targets whenever he got bored or whenever they started calling him out for his behavior.

Again, acting like Era (or anyone else) caused this to happen by daring to talk about it is a completely disingenuous read on the situation that basically tells victims they should never call out their abusers and nobody should ever signal boost a victim when they do because it might make the abuser do something brash and stupid

I would absolutely call Alec an evil person for what he systematically did to numerous people for years.

regardless of what your intentions are (I'm not looking through your post history), if you establish "people should be really careful what they say about abusers out of concern for said abusers' well-being" as a ground rule for discussions about abuse allegations, it's extremely hard for me to see how that doesn't end up having a huge chilling effect on victims and those who want to support them

Fuck that, abusers should be called out wherever they appear. Zero acceptance for anyone that did what he did. This seems to be placing blame on Zoe, who was the true victim in this.

[marrec]

I dunno.. feel like you guys are taking this "era kills people" thing pretty far into sounding like nutters territory.

The Etika blowback makes more sense because dude was so very obviously in a bad place and ERA just did not care.

This... ehh, Zoe should have the opportunity to speak her truth, which she did, ERA should have the opportunity to support victims... which some people did.

Supporting victims should not include harassing Alec on social media, that's always done for entirely selfish reasons.

A LOT of people should have shut the fuck up instead of virtue signalling and trying to one up each other in their public condemnations of Alec, how the fuck does THAT support the victims of his abuse?

In the end, Zoe nor ERA killed Alec, his long history of cyclical violence did and only absolute monsters would use his suicide as an excuse to further harass victims.

[Uncle]

as usual the other aspect of this is whether the accused ever gets the chance to speak THEIR truth, and be believed

I'm not sure whether Alec attempted to

if he didn't, it's likely because everyone knows the accused won't be believed, and will receive so much blowback and abuse and absolutely no benefit of the doubt

unless they wait 3-6 months and then present their own receipts after everything has died down, at which time the accusers will mysteriously delete their accusations and slink away

[daemon]

as usual the other aspect of this is whether the accused ever gets the chance to speak THEIR truth, and be believed

I'm not sure whether Alec attempted to

if he didn't, it's likely because everyone knows the accused won't be believed, and will receive so much blowback and abuse and absolutely no benefit of the doubt

unless they wait 3-6 months and then present their own receipts after everything has died down, at which time the accusers will mysteriously delete their accusations and slink away

I mean, we have proof of that with the Alexis response, where people are accusing him of threatening the victims through law enforcement intimation. So Alec wouldn't have the benefit of the doubt.

Wait 3 months and you get big brain people analyzing that Jared waited so much so his support would still be strong, but the victim support would've already withered.


There's no winning over people wanting someone at the stake.

[marrec]

as usual the other aspect of this is whether the accused ever gets the chance to speak THEIR truth, and be believed

I'm not sure whether Alec attempted to

if he didn't, it's likely because everyone knows the accused won't be believed, and will receive so much blowback and abuse and absolutely no benefit of the doubt

unless they wait 3-6 months and then present their own receipts after everything has died down, at which time the accusers will mysteriously delete their accusations and slink away

Alec never addressed the accusations.

Accused should absolutely get a chance to respond, and while I'm very much in favor of "believe women" that does not mean "all women are 100% credible or accurate in their portrayal of abuse".

That's why it's important to rubberneckers to shut the fuck up and let these people speak for themselves. Support the victims, don't take it upon yourself to be some unappointed vindicator of delayed justice.

None of this means that Zoe needed to moderate herself or keep quiet. Just the sick fucks who get an adrenaline rush out of social media power dynamics.

[Tuckers Law]

Kancel kulture does not exist, it is another of those gamergater lies.
 

[daemon]

as usual the other aspect of this is whether the accused ever gets the chance to speak THEIR truth, and be believed

I'm not sure whether Alec attempted to

if he didn't, it's likely because everyone knows the accused won't be believed, and will receive so much blowback and abuse and absolutely no benefit of the doubt

unless they wait 3-6 months and then present their own receipts after everything has died down, at which time the accusers will mysteriously delete their accusations and slink away

Alec never addressed the accusations.

Accused should absolutely get a chance to respond, and while I'm very much in favor of "believe women" that does not mean "all women are 100% credible or accurate in their portrayal of abuse".

That's why it's important to rubberneckers to shut the fuck up and let these people speak for themselves. Support the victims, don't take it upon yourself to be some unappointed vindicator of delayed justice.

That's what I said the first day. You can engage positively, without throwing stones the other way until you know everything. Destroying someone doesn't help the other person, but righteousness is a hell of a drug

[marrec]

as usual the other aspect of this is whether the accused ever gets the chance to speak THEIR truth, and be believed

I'm not sure whether Alec attempted to

if he didn't, it's likely because everyone knows the accused won't be believed, and will receive so much blowback and abuse and absolutely no benefit of the doubt

unless they wait 3-6 months and then present their own receipts after everything has died down, at which time the accusers will mysteriously delete their accusations and slink away

Alec never addressed the accusations.

Accused should absolutely get a chance to respond, and while I'm very much in favor of "believe women" that does not mean "all women are 100% credible or accurate in their portrayal of abuse".

That's why it's important to rubberneckers to shut the fuck up and let these people speak for themselves. Support the victims, don't take it upon yourself to be some unappointed vindicator of delayed justice.

That's what I said the first day. You can engage positively, without throwing stones the other way until you know everything. Destroying someone doesn't help the other person, but righteousness is a hell of a drug

Always always always engage in a constructive and positive manner with the victim. Only reason to do anything else is for virtue signaling.

[Ghoul]

I dunno.. feel like you guys are taking this "era kills people" thing pretty far into sounding like nutters territory.

My issue with the court of social media is it doesn't give the accused a fair platform to defend themselves on. You instantly and rightly so think what a fucking asshole, before you hear the whole story.

That and the way era are like a tank of Piranhas when it comes to cancelling and destroying someone who isn't drinking their kool aid is a perfect storm.

[marrec]

Era is both a dying forum w/ no social capital in one conversation here and a forum that is capable of killing people in another.

Not to mention this thread spends days ragging on individuals, making fun of them, calling them pieces of shit, etc.. I mean is that not exactly what era does?  If you want to sit around saying "well The Bore doesn't actually harass people" well does era?  Because does anyone actually know if no bore members never take their shit to twitter?  We have no clue and no control over that.. just like era has no control over what anyone does on twitter.

If Pretentious Hobo killed himself and cited years of being made fun of on The Bore would you call The Bore a murderer? 

You are either in support of the idea of forums talking shit about people online or you aren't;  this moral high ground "era are murders" nonsense is really ridiculous because burn this thread to the ground if that's your take IMO.

Riotous you gotta remember that sometimes "ERA" is a standee for a wider internet culture.

[Raist]

Era is both a dying forum w/ no social capital in one conversation here and a forum that is capable of killing people in another.

Not to mention this thread spends days ragging on individuals, making fun of them, calling them pieces of shit, etc.. I mean is that not exactly what era does?  If you want to sit around saying "well The Bore doesn't actually harass people" well does era?  Because does anyone actually know if no bore members never take their shit to twitter?  We have no clue and no control over that.. just like era has no control over what anyone does on twitter.

If Pretentious Hobo killed himself and cited years of being made fun of on The Bore would you call The Bore a murderer? 

You are either in support of the idea of forums talking shit about people online or you aren't;  this moral high ground "era are murders" nonsense is really ridiculous because burn this thread to the ground if that's your take IMO.

[Uncle]

I'm not going to go digging things up but over time I've seen lots of vague allusions to zoe not being a particularly good person to get involved with, romantically or otherwise

the kind of "whisper campaign" people talk about that eventually mounts up into the full blown go-public cancel

I'm not saying zoe should be cancelled because I don't know know her but the lead up seems familiar, if she wasn't already firing from a protected position

I guess what I mean is, there was probably another side to the story alec could've provided

[james]

Your daily reminder that the only solution to global warming is less people.

[Momo]

It's okay to believe women, it's okay to even believe the accused, what's not okay is to talk mad shit about one or the other sans evidence as a bystander, especially if you're @ing them directly.

[Ghoul]

Riotous walks his wife around like a puppet and he thinks it's ok.

[Uncle]

If Pretentious Hobo killed himself and cited years of being made fun of on The Bore would you call The Bore a murderer? 

I talked about this earlier, there's room for a middle ground where you can absolutely say one or more things were contributing factors without having the solid ground it takes to establish legal responsibility/culpability, or even to call it murder

if he cites it then sure, it was a contributing factor and everyone who took part in it will feel mildly bad

I don't know anything about the guy and don't think I've ever made fun of him

[Momo]

Making fun of people for being weirdos on a small forum with no power only us and the weirdo reads is a lot different than being in a campaign to cancel a person.

[marrec]

I'm not going to go digging things up but over time I've seen lots of vague allusions to zoe not being a particularly good person to get involved with, romantically or otherwise

the kind of "whisper campaign" people talk about that eventually mounts up into the full blown go-public cancel

I'm not saying zoe should be cancelled because I don't know know her but the lead up seems familiar, if she wasn't already firing from a protected position

I guess what I mean is, there was probably another side to the story alec could've provided

Like I said when the allegations first surfaced:

Co-dependency brought on by childhood trauma has two sides, on the one hand you are more likely to be a victim of future abuse, on the other you are more likely to abuse someone else. Co-dependent people tend to gravitate toward each other and have bad relationships. So you get these cycles of violence where someone will express their anxiety and mental instability in abusive ways.

Who knows what exactly was happening between Alec and Zoe, but they're both clearly people with turbulent mental health histories. That doesn't excuse Alec's treatment of Zoe or Zoe's treatment of "that one dude who started gamergate", but it does explain why some people always end up in bad relationships.

[Momo]

It's okay to believe women, it's okay to even believe the accused, what's not okay is to talk mad shit about one or the other sans evidence as a bystander, especially if you're @ing them directly.

Of course;  so call those people out as harassers.   Labeling an entire forum murderers is just.. I dunno.. what's that word.  Hypocritical?

Too many to call out directly, this thread is about laughing for 5 minutes then moving on not trying to keep an accurate ledger of abusers :shrug

[Ghoul]

Never have I said era are capable of murder, Era are nothing more than mouth pieces who think and chat but never act.

The bleed through from their logic into circles of people who are just as bad as GG participants are the issue, they're vile and go out of their way to cause harm be it mental or physical to people.

[Uncle]

Making fun of people for being weirdos on a small forum with no power only us and the weirdo reads is a lot different that being in a campaign to cancel a person.

Actively participating in a campaign to have someone fired / blacklisted is certainly something different than talking shit on a forum.

Era is a forum with little power according to this thread though so hence my point.

this is the same dumb argument always made on both gaf and era

"b-but this thread is saying they're both influential and also inconsequential, I read it both ways posted by completely different people therefore this thread is being hypocritical with itself!!!"

[Propagandhim]

Era is both a dying forum w/ no social capital in one conversation here and a forum that is capable of killing people in another.

Not to mention this thread spends days ragging on individuals, making fun of them, calling them pieces of shit, etc.. I mean is that not exactly what era does?  If you want to sit around saying "well The Bore doesn't actually harass people" well does era?  Because does anyone actually know if no bore members never take their shit to twitter?  We have no clue and no control over that.. just like era has no control over what anyone does on twitter.

If Pretentious Hobo killed himself and cited years of being made fun of on The Bore would you call The Bore a murderer? 

You are either in support of the idea of forums talking shit about people online or you aren't;  this moral high ground "era are murders" nonsense is really ridiculous because burn this thread to the ground if that's your take IMO.

If anyone contacts Pretentious Hobo and harasses him outside of this little corner of the internet - yeah, they're being a shithead.  They need to get a reality check.  They need to get their head on straight.  They need to get the look.

[thetylerrob]

It's okay to believe women, it's okay to even believe the accused, what's not okay is to talk mad shit about one or the other sans evidence as a bystander, especially if you're @ing them directly.

Of course;  so call those people out as harassers.   Labeling an entire forum murderers is just.. I dunno.. what's that word.  Hypocritical?

The premise of your argument is flawed though, nobody is saying that all of resetera are murderers without a level of facetiousness, not even 4chanbanbotwhatever. The KiA people are saying it for political reasons. You would have to be hysterical to actually believe resetera is culpable here.

[marrec]

It's okay to believe women, it's okay to even believe the accused, what's not okay is to talk mad shit about one or the other sans evidence as a bystander, especially if you're @ing them directly.

Of course;  so call those people out as harassers.   Labeling an entire forum murderers is just.. I dunno.. what's that word.  Hypocritical?

Too many to call out directly, this thread is about laughing for 5 minutes then moving on not trying to keep an accurate ledger of abusers :shrug

5 minutes?   lol 

Not sure what thread you are reading.

5 minutes per idiotic post or assertion = 1.35x10^6 hours of laughter.