YANG GANG 2024

[agrajag]

oh shit, he just opwned the doors for a Yang/McAffee ticket

[Nintex]

oh shit, he just opwned the doors for a Yang/McAffee ticket

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[Tripon]

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1113183201688793089

[naff]

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it's asian keanu

damn good style. love a mock turtleneck. that necklace over the roll 

[Joe Molotov]

https://twitter.com/ClickHole/status/1111296955437801473

Huge for Yang if true.

[agrajag]

Chad Yang cucks beta soyboy Castro

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https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1113775423542956033

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https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1113942729933848576

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/darrensands/status/1113474339440070657

fake, no throng of reporters would be waiting for Julian Castro

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[agrajag]

I just saw this guy on Chris Hayes and his canned intro is really getting on my nerves. "Why do you want to be president?" "We're in the fourth inning of the third industrial revolution."

who's this guy? The black dude?

[agrajag]

Yang?

[Nintex]

I just saw this guy on Chris Hayes and his canned intro is really getting on my nerves. "Why do you want to be president?" "We're in the fourth inning of the third industrial revolution."

That doesn't matter it's all about the $1000. In fact every interview with this guy ends in: "So... am I getting this money?"

He's just running on free money for everyone, which is a genius idea in 2019. In 2016, 2012 or whenever, people would've asked him: "What about the deficit, where do you get the money, who will pay? "
in the era of Trump it's like: "This ain't even the craziest thing we heard today please continue and give us the bag"

[Tripon]

I just saw this guy on Chris Hayes and his canned intro is really getting on my nerves. "Why do you want to be president?" "We're in the fourth inning of the third industrial revolution."

Yang is trying to connect the negative outcomes of the industrial revolution to what ails workers today. Luddites got so mad, they started wrecking shit, so you need something that can calm them down, thus the freedom dividen.

[agrajag]

Yikesers!

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1114932915102728192

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https://twitter.com/ReasonRaccoon/status/1114905913025019906

[Propagandhim]

Yikesers!

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1114932915102728192

This was a great interview.  Shapiro asked some good questions.

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[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1115617457262166017

Swalwell is a crypto fascist!

[agrajag]

look at dat like to dislike ratio. Yang is going to singlehandedly bribe guide the alt-rights into the light

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who woulda known, all the people raging against "entitlement culture" are just mad they're not getting a slice of the pie, offer then a piece and they're suddenly down with hand outs 

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[BIONIC]

Think of all the tendies and chocolate milk you can get for a thousand bucks per month

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1115407752396931072

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1115989677247533056

 

Lord of Memes of House Yang

#AutomationIsComing

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1115617457262166017

Swalwell is a crypto fascist!

they just ignoring the black dude speaking behind them smdh

[agrajag]

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1116031317374840832

they didn't receive their Freedom Dividend

[agrajag]

a fair criticism, but they glossed over Yang also being pro Medicare For All. Free healthcare + keep your current welfare or opt in for UBI. It doesn't sound perfect, but a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

edit: they make a good point about vat taxes as well

[benjipwns]

[Tripon]

a fair criticism, but they glossed over Yang also being pro Medicare For All. Free healthcare + keep your current welfare or opt in for UBI. It doesn't sound perfect, but a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

edit: they make a good point about vat taxes as well

Kyle Kulinski is on the UBI train and points out that Andrew Yang is the only one talking about it, and it needs to be a main issue alongside Medicare for All, and why it isn't just a 'right' political talk.

[agrajag]

I agree with that. The big problem I see is why does it have caveats for the people that actually need help the most?

[Tripon]

I agree with that. The big problem I see is why does it have caveats for the people that actually need help the most?

I think Yang's argument that instead of $1500-2000 for the family unit in terms of benefits, every person above 18 will get $1000. So the 'net' benefit is potentially more for a family. I had students that had to apply for SSDI because they were never going to hold a full time job on their own. The forms themselves were confusing for their family members and the decisions (and potential appeals) took months. If you told their families that their son or daughter could potentially get a $1000 when they turn 18, and that all you need was to mark a checkbox that yes, they should start getting UBI, I think they would be interested.

[agrajag]

not everyone on disability has large families or families at all. They lack a support mechanism which is why they need help in the first place. Yeah, it's great that in your scenario the kids receive the UBI, but why does the disabled parent have to give up their benefits to subsidise the UBI? They are being treated as second class that has to give something up for their freedom dividend, while the upper middle class and above get theirs no questions asked.

[Tripon]

not everyone on disability has large families or families at all. They lack a support mechanism which is why they need help in the first place. Yeah, it's great that in your scenario the kids receive the UBI, but why does the disabled parent have to give up their benefits to subsidise the UBI? They are being treated as second class that has to give something up for their freedom dividend, while the upper middle class and above get theirs no questions asked.

Yeah, that part would have to be figured out. It would have to be a net benefit for low income families or individuals to make the plan viable.

I do think this sort of scenario already happens right now though with Social Security. I had a student's family recently move because their grand dad died and they were using his SS benefits to help pay the rent. They went and moved to a rural area because they couldn't afford rent in the city. The current benefit system already ends with a person's life, but they could have maybe have more of an opportunity to stay if their entire family was receiving benefits. Mind you, I didn't know if they were also receiving aid in terms of Food stamps, Section 8 housing, etc. But that family potentially went from $1500 or so in SS benefits a month to $0 because their person that could get benefits passed away. If all the adults in that family got $1000 per adult per month, they could of had more options.

[agrajag]

yeah, I get that. That's why I am not throwing out the baby with the bath water like Michael Brooks and co. are. One thing I am worried about is if this style of UBI would have a bandaid effect where people get placated enough to set back more substantial change another couple of decades.

[Bebpo]

So I've been following this stuff occasionally, and this is all a big joke (outside bringing up the basic income discussion to the public), right? Because I dunno if I'm just out of tune but everything I see from this guy seems like he's basically a smarter liberal Trump? He just makes up shit on the fly whenever people ask him things and promises everyone the moon and everything he says seems delusional and unrealistic, but because he's promising free money to everyone, all the kids love him and the internet is getting all behind.

I'm all for bringing basic income discussion into the mainstream and debates and things, but I hope when he doesn't win the primary it doesn't just disillusion all these internet/young kids and they become apathetic like with Bernie in 2016. Just feels like it's that same thing all over again. Bernie was also mostly unrealistic and just said things people wanted to hear without having a real plan to back it up. Trump also said things people wanted to hear. I don't like this era of politics where people running just say whatever they want without needing to stay realistic and people just eat it up.

Also that Nevada poll on the previous page is pretty scary. Biden and Bernie better not be the top2 candidates for the democrats or they're going to fucking lose in 2020. Biden has waaaaay too much baggage and Bernie Sanders is old as shit.

[EightBitNate]

No offense bebpo but I do not like that post at all.

[naff]

Also that Nevada poll on the previous page is pretty scary. Biden and Bernie better not be the top2 candidates for the democrats or they're going to fucking lose in 2020. Biden has waaaaay too much baggage and Bernie Sanders is old as shit.

 

welp

also, yang has nowhere near the support of bernie. the people that will be disappointed by yang losing are the type of people that will be continuously disappointed by everything in life.

[Mandark]

What's the point of keeping the EC and awarding electors proportionally?

[Bebpo]

Fair point on specifics, I’ll have to fill some out.

I just remember reading his reddit AMA and it read like someone would ask: What will you do for Zelda fans and his answer would be like: Zelda is a national treasure and I will make Zelda the videogame representing our country and change the national flag to include the tri-force.

It was like every answer was making up some batshit insane thing that would fit UHF better than reality. I assumed he was just joking and trolling people but if some of his positions are trolls/jokes and some are real how can you even tell what his positions are?

[Mandark]

"The electoral college might be dumb, but advocating to change it after it costs us an election is unprincipled" is like a Chuck Schumer line.

[Nintex]

Trump founded space force and became pen pals with kim jun un. The last thing the Dems should worry about is realism

Who cares if Yang wins on a platform of $1000 for everyone, a free dog and a new tupac album

[Trent Dole]

Dude's polling at what, 1%? He is not getting nominated you guys.

[agrajag]

Fair point on specifics, I’ll have to fill some out.

I just remember reading his reddit AMA and it read like someone would ask: What will you do for Zelda fans and his answer would be like: Zelda is a national treasure and I will make Zelda the videogame representing our country and change the national flag to include the tri-force.

It was like every answer was making up some batshit insane thing that would fit UHF better than reality. I assumed he was just joking and trolling people but if some of his positions are trolls/jokes and some are real how can you even tell what his positions are?

We must have read a different AMA by different people. The one I read he goes deeply into policy specifics and there is nothing about Zelda. His positions are outlined in great detail on his website.


https://www.yang2020.com/policies/

[Propagandhim]

Dude's polling at what, 1%? He is not getting nominated you guys.

Excuse you.

https://twitter.com/AndrewYang/status/1117823609953759232

[CatsCatsCats]

Bernie on top

Time to rally around the clear front runner to unite the party guys this time I mean it

[agrajag]

there is a 5% margin of error in these polls. I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's way too early. One of the other candidates will pick up a lot of points once the race is consolidated. Biden might not even run and Harris will pick up most of his supporters.

[Nintex]

Bernie vs. Trump would be the ultimate showdown of socialism vs. capitalism.
You would see a ton of weird switching sides on all sides should it ever come to that.

With regards to Yang. Our boi needs to step it up. But I'm losing confidence in his ability to stay in the spotlights.

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this is the only poll where Bernie is ahead 

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blame cats

[CatsCatsCats]

No u

[naff]

a fair criticism, but they glossed over Yang also being pro Medicare For All. Free healthcare + keep your current welfare or opt in for UBI. It doesn't sound perfect, but a hell of a lot better than what we have now.

edit: they make a good point about vat taxes as well

Kyle Kulinski is on the UBI train and points out that Andrew Yang is the only one talking about it, and it needs to be a main issue alongside Medicare for All, and why it isn't just a 'right' political talk.

america != finland

finland - small, extremely wealthy nation, relatively low wealth disparity. strong middle class. culturally homogenous, old nation, very strong social contract. free education, universal healthcare, successful social housing initiatives.

united state of 'murica - large, wealthy nation, extreme wealth disparity. what is middle class?. culturally diverse, relatively young, american dream. neo-liberal nightmare.

UBI seems like trying to run while in the womb.

[naff]

true, apologies. america is an extremely wealthy nation too of course, especially in an unadjusted consumption index like gdp (pretty blunt view of wealth imo).

[Tripon]

Young, sincere and raised on the edge of poverty, Sukhi Samra has a mother who worked two minimum-wage jobs when she was a kid — days at a gas station and nights at a Subway. Her father is disabled. She knows what an extra $500 a month would have bought her family.

“I spent a lot of 5th and 6th grade just, like, in those tables at Subway so that I could keep my mom some company and spend some time with her,” Samra said. “Five hundred a month would have meant that my mom spent a couple more hours at home with us every night.”

At 23, Samra is now head of the Stockton Economic Empowerment Demonstration, a pilot program to test a universal basic income. For the next year and a half, 130 residents of this struggling Central Valley city will get $500 every month, with no strings — such as employment or sobriety requirements — attached, in a social experiment that is as much public relations as rigorous research.

https://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-pol-ca-basic-income-stockton-reparations-20190415-story.html

Stockton is one of those cities that declared bankruptcy during the last great recession.

[Trent Dole]

there is a 5% margin of error in these polls.

So he's really a -2% then.

[Bebpo]

So I had some free time finally and googled around to find some of the crazy Andrew Yang quotes I'd been seeing on fb and forums and stuff over the months that made me think he was nuts and instead of snippits for memes, I'm seeing all his normal discussions which are actually nuanced and intelligent. And looking for the stuff I'd been seeing, I think I was falling for a lot of fake news trolls. So yeah, I was wrong completely about Andrew Yang. He seems legit.

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[agrajag]

Good point Shosta, that's something I haven't considered. That's another strike against Tripon's argument that impoverished families benefit from his Freedom Dividend if they have kids. That's not true if the kids only start receiving their $1,000 once they turn 18.

[Tripon]

Good point Shosta, that's something I haven't considered. That's another strike against Tripon's argument that impoverished families benefit from his Freedom Dividend if they have kids. That's not true if the kids only start receiving their $1,000 once they turn 18.

https://www.ssa.gov/planners/disability/qualify.html

In that particular family situation, there were already adult children living in the same apartment that would have started collection if UDI was already in effect, but you're right, I have no idea if they were U.S. citizens.

This part of the conversation did make me look up rules for SSDI if you're applying as a person with disabilities.
Looking at the rules, for SSDI disability, benefits for SSDI don't start until you're 18 anyway.

What if the adult child is already receiving SSI benefits or disability benefits on his or her own record?
An adult child already receiving SSI benefits or disability benefits on his or her own record should still check to see if benefits may be payable on a parent's earnings record. Higher benefits might be payable and entitlement to Medicare may be possible.

How do we decide if an adult "child" is disabled for SSDI benefits?
If a child is age 18 or older, we will evaluate his or her disability the same way we would evaluate the disability for any adult. We send the application to the Disability Determination Services in your state that completes the disability decision for us.

What happens if the adult child gets married?
If he or she receives benefits as an adult disabled since childhood, the benefits generally end if he or she gets married. However, some marriages (for example, to another adult disabled child) are considered protected.

The marriage thing seems weird to me. I guess the SSI office has caught people scamming with marriage fraud.

[agrajag]

I was also somewhat disappointed when he said he was for the public option insurance model at the town hall.

[agrajag]

That's what singlepayer is. There's a public insurance company everyone pays for and uses and then there are private insurance companies that offer cadillac plans.  The very existence of public insurance drives private companies completely out of the market for many types of healthcare.

Wrong. You're describing public option single payer. The other option, which Bernie Sanders champions, gets rid of private insurers completely.

[agrajag]

https://www.factcheck.org/2009/12/public-option-vs-single-payer/

Shosta fact-checked.