Author Topic: Genesis Mini!!! Emulation by M2 :o Gunstar Heroes, Castlevania Bloodlines, etc  (Read 17151 times)

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Bebpo

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Got this setup on mine, but while I added some stuff it just showed me how damn good the selection in the mini is because Iíd keep thinking to add a game and it was already on there. Outside Musha and Rocket knight and Shining Force II and a couple others, the mini selection is pretty much the best of the era.

/I donít enjoy Sonic games as an adult

demi

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Yup, the Genesis was buns. You can pretty much put all "the good games" in one go and be done with it

SNES is leaps better no question no contest, enjoy being on the wrong side of history
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MMaRsu

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Got this setup on mine, but while I added some stuff it just showed me how damn good the selection in the mini is because Iíd keep thinking to add a game and it was already on there. Outside Musha and Rocket knight and Shining Force II and a couple others, the mini selection is pretty much the best of the era.

/I donít enjoy Sonic games as an adult

 :comeon

Even Mania?

Bebpo

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Yeah, Mania was ok but it got hard and didn't bother finishing it. At some point I realized I don't like my platformers to have momentum physics.

Stro

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Sonic Mania was significantly easier than Sonic 1/2/3 + Knuckles and CD

MMaRsu

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Yeah but Bepbo has just gotten old..let's just ignore the old man

Tasty

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Those "go-around orbs" in the final level of Mania can fuck off into the sun. (I did beat it, though.)

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At some point I realized I don't like my platformers to have momentum physics.

I mean, Mario is also a momentum-based platformer, but the lack of run button for precise control has a knock-on effect to Sonic's design that paired with "gotta go fast (but only sometimes)" makes the series... unpalatable to me as a platformer fan. Starting out from a dead stop in Sonic ALWAYS feels bad (to me), and that's why they had to add the Spin Dash, but that's kind of a hammer-for-a-screw "fix."

Combine trying to jump a series of vertical moving platforms (which involves turning, walking, and jumping all from dead stops) with the whole "you die if you intersect even 1 pixel in between platforms" issue, and actual platforming in Sonic is kind of a nightmare. Then try to do all that underwater with a ticking clock.

Mario doesn't kill you if you intersect moving platforms (to my knowledge), and it doesn't have a ticking clock underwater. These are both improvements on Sonic's design, and no amount of "well git gud" will change my mind on that.

Just used to what I'm used to I suppose.
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Bebpo

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Those "go-around orbs" in the final level of Mania can fuck off into the sun. (I did beat it, though.)

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At some point I realized I don't like my platformers to have momentum physics.

I mean, Mario is also a momentum-based platformer, but the lack of run button for precise control has a knock-on effect to Sonic's design that paired with "gotta go fast (but only sometimes)" makes the series... unpalatable to me as a platformer fan. Starting out from a dead stop in Sonic ALWAYS feels bad (to me), and that's why they had to add the Spin Dash, but that's kind of a hammer-for-a-screw "fix."

Combine trying to jump a series of vertical moving platforms (which involves turning, walking, and jumping all from dead stops) with the whole "you die if you intersect even 1 pixel in between platforms" issue, and actual platforming in Sonic is kind of a nightmare. Then try to do all that underwater with a ticking clock.

Mario doesn't kill you if you intersect moving platforms (to my knowledge), and it doesn't have a ticking clock underwater. These are both improvements on Sonic's design, and no amount of "well git gud" will change my mind on that.

Just used to what I'm used to I suppose.

Yeah, this is why I don't really like platforming in sonic games.

Tasty

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Seriously though the Genesis controller has three whole faces buttons and they all do the same thing? Jump? That's it??

That's Wii Music levels of "limitations and simplicity actually enhance the experience!" :nintendo

I'm not saying a dedicated run button would fix Sonic, but it would make the game more fun to control.

MMaRsu

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To be fair, the water sections in Sonic Mania are really easy compared to Sonic 3 or Sonic 2.

Tried playing Sonic 3 Complete and it just feels a lot stiffer than in my memory. But still got through the first act without getting hit  :leon

Yeah I need to get a 6 button pad, don't think I ever had a regular three button pad. Can't even play MK3 with this shit lol.

Stro

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3 button pad is and always was fucking trash. Even Nintendo's never ending string of gimmick controllers post SNES can't compare to the dogshit 3 button Sega pad.

porkbun

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Got this setup on mine, but while I added some stuff it just showed me how damn good the selection in the mini is because Iíd keep thinking to add a game and it was already on there. Outside Musha and Rocket knight and Shining Force II and a couple others, the mini selection is pretty much the best of the era.

/I donít enjoy Sonic games as an adult

I was a Sega mark in the 80s/90s and I never have liked the Sonic games.

Svejk

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I've come to realize too, I only really liked Sanic as a kid... Past couple times I tried to replay them, and tried Mania too, they just lose my interest pretty quickly now.  Still love the colorful Sega vibe and jamming tunes, but the gameplay is just something of the past. 

MMaRsu

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Ill disagree the gameplay in mania is great

bork

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I still like to go back and play Sonic 1 and Mania.  That's it.
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Svejk

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Sonic 2 will always be my jam though... I can't even count how much I played that game religiously. #Sonic2sDay4Life

tiesto

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3 is still my fave Sonic. Mania was good but the last level with the rotating spheres was a total chore to get through, and a few of the boss fights were shitty (the Oil Ocean boss in particular where it was so easy to get crushed by the falling blocks).
^_^

tiesto

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The OG is meh but 2, 3&K and Mania are excellent. My favorite 2D platformers for sure.

There is one shitty classic sonic though, and that's Sonic CD. GOAT intro but the game itself fucking sucks.

I love the US soundtrack (Spencer Nilsen :bow2) but those level designs are just so damn sloppy and feel completely thrown together. Definitely the weakest entry in classic Sonic.
^_^

demi

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Tonight I uninstalled Project Lunar and tried out the newest Hakchi CE, which has Genesis Mini support.

I think I would recommend that over Lunar. If you are familiar with Hakchi from the NES/SNES the UI should feel familiar. It also does some things better than Lunar (Folders, Save State compression, better use of Retroarch). It also does not throw in annoying "games" that are just symlinks to different things, so you can actually have "only games" staring you in the face.

The only real drawback is that it doesn't have a good "scraper" for getting spine/boxart - Lunar does this perfectly. But I am sure Hakchi will be updated for this as well. For now you have to add your own / use the built in search.

https://github.com/TeamShinkansen/Hakchi2-CE/releases
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Svejk

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No Lunars or Snatcher?  :trash

bork

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No Lunars or Snatcher?  :trash

Maybe?  It will have 50 games.

:idont
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Joe Molotov

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Sega of America will release it with Sonic 1-3 again and 47 copies of Sewer Shark.
©@©ô

Svejk

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Sega of America will release it with Sonic 1-3 again and 47 copies of Sewer Shark.
And both the Sega CD and 32X versions Corpse Killer.

demi

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Curious if the new model has improved emulation. Would be great and almost worth price of import for that.
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Svejk

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Or actual 6 button controllers.

demi

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Or actual 6 button controllers.

From the website



Controller looks like shit quality -- those garbage clones at department stores lol
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Svejk

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Been meaning to ask .. Used Lunar to add a few extra games on there.  Only about 60 games on there total taking up roughly 75% of the storage, iirc, so I'm not maxing it out.  But when playing on there, there's definitely some noticable lag/delay.  Is it the crap controllers? Or is it the mini itself just processing slowly?  It's rather shitty and frustrating actually.

demi

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Project Lunar is booty and never going to be updated. I would use Hakchi instead. Dont think either will help with any lag you may be feeling
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