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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #120 on: December 02, 2019, 01:11:40 PM »
she does have that statue of him

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« Reply #121 on: December 02, 2019, 08:52:26 PM »
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/watchmen-season-1-episode-7-an-almost-religious-awe-explained-1258567

100% confirmed no
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Night Owl/Dan Dreiburg.
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« Reply #122 on: December 02, 2019, 09:29:15 PM »

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« Reply #123 on: December 02, 2019, 11:52:15 PM »
Is there a prevailing theory on how Veidt is going to tie into the main story, or is his whole Dr. Manhattan prison thing still looking like a tangent like the raft story in the comics?

Well he "disappeared" and was presumed dead and then Lady Trieu took over all of his holdings and accelerated her nutso plan. So I have to assume he somehow has dirt on her.

Peteypedia update:

https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia
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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #124 on: December 02, 2019, 11:53:40 PM »
they're wasting their talents not catching serial killers an shit
oh, but they did. They got him.

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« Reply #125 on: December 03, 2019, 08:31:20 AM »
Man, Angela listening to Laurie's message has a *completely* different context after seeing the episode's twist.

This show :lawd

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« Reply #126 on: December 03, 2019, 08:37:59 AM »
Is there a prevailing theory on how Veidt is going to tie into the main story, or is his whole Dr. Manhattan prison thing still looking like a tangent like the raft story in the comics?

Well he "disappeared" and was presumed dead and then Lady Trieu took over all of his holdings and accelerated her nutso plan. So I have to assume he somehow has dirt on her.

Peteypedia update:

https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia

Peteypedia stuff is mostly pretty neutral but there are a couple big :thinking :thinking :thinking things that probably are spoilers.

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1. Trieu sent basically everyone in NY a free "newly legalized" HDTV. And she's working with Will, who has Mesmero tech. Hmm.

American Hero Story is also getting a lot of focus, gee wonder how that could tie that in?

2. In 2017 when Angela debuted as Sister Night, Will bought an old movie theater and started showing the blaxploitation movie of the same name every Sunday at midnight. It's likely he's been manipulating Angela this whole time without her knowledge, and that's how he/Trieu know about Cal/Manhatten.
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Also, it seems likely Doc saved Angela during the White Night, which is how 7th Cavalry found out about him as well.

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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #127 on: December 05, 2019, 03:40:10 PM »
Show is doing really well.

https://variety.com/2019/tv/news/hbo-watchmen-ratings-1203425067/

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"According to HBO’s tallies, “Watchmen” is premium cable’s most popular new series of 2019, and HBO’s most-watched new series since “Big Little Lies.”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wktrHpUcYjo

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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #128 on: December 05, 2019, 03:43:12 PM »


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« Reply #129 on: December 05, 2019, 05:01:49 PM »
The big key that stood out to me with Veidt is that the trial has been going on for a full year. That plus the birthday cake markers in an earlier ep makes me think

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Ozy's stuff is happening years before the main show, but it'll catch up in the last episode or two. Which, hey, is where we're at!
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Lindelof confirmed this on the official podcast.
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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #130 on: December 05, 2019, 08:24:34 PM »
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Veidt is what crash landed on the property lady Trieu bought I think. So he's already there working behind the scenes.
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« Reply #131 on: December 06, 2019, 01:45:16 PM »
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Veidt is what crash landed on the property lady Trieu bought I think. So he's already there working behind the scenes.
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As far as I can tell they didn’t really explain where Veidt is or how he got there, right?

I think that theory makes sense though.

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« Reply #132 on: December 08, 2019, 10:28:06 PM »
God’s BBC :rejoice

Also, make sure you don’t miss the post-credit scene.

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To see more Jeremy Irons just futzing around
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agrajag

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« Reply #133 on: December 08, 2019, 11:37:57 PM »
filler should definitely watch this episode

Tasty

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« Reply #134 on: December 09, 2019, 08:54:40 AM »
Three flashback heavy episodes in a row :kobeyuck

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« Reply #135 on: December 09, 2019, 08:58:29 AM »
Still no Looking Glass :social2

agrajag

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« Reply #136 on: December 09, 2019, 11:19:19 AM »
God’s BBC :rejoice

Also, make sure you don’t miss the post-credit scene.

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To see more Jeremy Irons just futzing around
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what was he
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doing with the horseshoe  ???
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« Reply #137 on: December 09, 2019, 11:21:05 AM »
God’s BBC :rejoice

Also, make sure you don’t miss the post-credit scene.

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To see more Jeremy Irons just futzing around
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what was he
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doing with the horseshoe  ???
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Digging out of his cell.
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agrajag

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« Reply #138 on: December 09, 2019, 11:24:51 AM »
yeah but,ike, it seems like a very inefficient tool for that task. Why not
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slip a mini shovel in the cake?
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« Reply #139 on: December 09, 2019, 11:26:36 AM »
yeah but,ike, it seems like a very inefficient tool for that task. Why not
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slip a mini shovel in the cake?
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Cause the warden took it off his horse and slipped it under the cake. I think he's fed up with these "gods" and his speech was all a ruse.
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agrajag

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« Reply #140 on: December 09, 2019, 11:33:06 AM »
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Oh, now that makes sense. I thought it was the most recent Mr. Phillips and Ms. Crookshanks put it in the cake.

One has to wonder, if the Games Warden is the original Mr. Phillips, where is the original Ms. Crookshank?
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Joe Molotov

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« Reply #141 on: December 09, 2019, 12:45:09 PM »
Still no Looking Glass :social2

We also still don't know who Oily Man is.  :doge
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« Reply #142 on: December 09, 2019, 01:25:34 PM »
Still no Looking Glass :social2

We also still don't know who Oily Man is.  :doge

This week's Peteypedia offerings pretty much give it away. Lubeman is wearing a Fogdancer uniform.
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Nintex

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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #143 on: December 10, 2019, 06:31:17 PM »
Latest episode was again amazing. This series has definitely exceeded expectations.

Also, when Veidt returns he's going to murder all these Rosarch clowns  :mynicca
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Tasty

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« Reply #144 on: December 15, 2019, 10:11:37 PM »
« Last Edit: December 15, 2019, 10:21:45 PM by Tasty Meat »

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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #145 on: December 15, 2019, 10:24:33 PM »
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Step on me, Lady Manhattan. :lawd
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agrajag

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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #146 on: December 16, 2019, 12:56:02 AM »
welp that was something

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« Reply #147 on: December 16, 2019, 01:16:37 AM »
Where was

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Lube Man?
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 >:(
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agrajag

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« Reply #148 on: December 16, 2019, 01:23:17 AM »
still remains at large

bluemax

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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #149 on: December 16, 2019, 03:19:41 AM »
A bit too convenient of a comic book ending, but I guess it wraps up nicely enough that if they don't do another season we don't get stuck with unanswered questions.
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Tasty

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« Reply #150 on: December 16, 2019, 09:00:49 AM »
I can see a lot of comic purists hating this show, they kinda "ruin" Veidt and Manhattan. Dude is the smartest guy alive but couldn't see LG's wrench coming? Please.

Also this is the guy who memorized, in one instant, the exact time and date Trieu said her satellite would fly over Europa, and kept an internal clock running until he could time an external clock to that flyover.

And his password is an easily-guessed 9 character phrase? C'mon.

Tasty

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« Reply #151 on: December 16, 2019, 09:05:50 AM »
I could have also done without the mustache-twirling villain speech reiterating what everyone had already known/figured out.

agrajag

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« Reply #152 on: December 16, 2019, 11:30:50 AM »
the smartest people are not immune to hubris, as Veidt himself pointed out.

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« Reply #153 on: December 16, 2019, 11:49:18 AM »
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Petey got done dirty. He didn't appear at all in this episode, either to confirm his identity as Lube Man, or any other capacity. I think the last time we saw him was when he was picking through the bodies at Looking Glasses' compound, right before Laurie got kidnapped in Episode 7.
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agrajag

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« Reply #154 on: December 16, 2019, 12:02:55 PM »
Laurie got done kind of dirty too, Dr Manhattan didn't even acknowledge her

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« Reply #155 on: December 16, 2019, 12:54:08 PM »
Laurie got done kind of dirty too, Dr Manhattan didn't even acknowledge her

Yeah, it kinda sucks. I thought her and Looking Glass were going to get to do something cool, but they just hung out for most of the episode until they got a chance to conk Adrian on the head. Hell, even Angela was pretty useless in this episode. Dr. Manhattan saved The Gang and then Adrian defeated Trieu and everyone else was just a bystander.

I did enjoy the conclusion of the Adrian/Clone arc, though. He got bored out of his mind being "God" so he had to manufacture his own opposition.
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agrajag

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« Reply #156 on: December 16, 2019, 01:00:34 PM »
Laurie got done kind of dirty too, Dr Manhattan didn't even acknowledge her

Yeah, it kinda sucks. I thought her and Looking Glass were going to get to do something cool, but they just hung out for most of the episode until they got a chance to conk Adrian on the head. Hell, even Angela was pretty useless in this episode. Dr. Manhattan saved The Gang and then Adrian defeated Trieu and everyone else was just a bystander.

I did enjoy the conclusion of the Adrian/Clone arc, though. He got bored out of his mind being "God" so he had to manufacture his own opposition.

True. I was surprised how deferential Angela was to Lady Triu (sic). I was expecting her to try to attack her or something. I mean, I get it, Angela was functionally powerless against her, but going against all odds is not something that stopped her before. A lot of weird mischaracterizations this episode. It seems like they were in a hurry to wrap everything up in this one episode. I still enjoyed it a lot though.

agrajag

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« Reply #157 on: December 16, 2019, 01:02:18 PM »
On the Adrian arc: Dr. Manhattan had to know that he is effectively putting Adrian in a prison on Europa, right? Maybe that was his way of punishing Adrian.

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« Reply #158 on: December 16, 2019, 01:27:46 PM »
the smartest people are not immune to hubris, as Veidt himself pointed out.

Sure, and I can give the password thing a pass for that reason I suppose. But it's lazy writing because otherwise Trieu doesn't exist. If you hang the existence of a major character on something, you draw attention to it.

How he didn't see that wrench coming is something else though, lol. Like c'mon.

I'm also less enthused that the plot really was as simple as "good guy vs bad guy." Watchmen's entire thing was shading the heroes and villains gray to the point you can't tell them apart. The fact the ending and its debate has endured so long is a testament to that achievement.

It seems to me the purpose of Watchmen HBO season 1 was to "clear the boards" so a longer-lasting incarnation can take place. Between the death of Dr. Manhattan and the exposure of
Veidt's scheme, the status quo is back to even before issue #1.

All they need to do is re-legalize masked vigilantes and you can literally have a Saturday Morning Watchmen perpetual franchise now. :social2

agrajag

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« Reply #159 on: December 16, 2019, 01:35:06 PM »
I just think that Adrian was convinced that he got them to be on board with the whole saving the world thing and that they were admiring him. Narcissists can be very clever, but always have their blind spots. Plus, he was probably not at his sharpest, with old age and years of isolation slowly driving him insane.

Also, shouldn't Looking Glass and Laurie also turn themselves in to law enforcement? They were accessories to the latest baby squid massacre (although we didn't really see anyone besides Lady Triu die, surely there was a collateral of innocent lives as well).

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« Reply #160 on: December 16, 2019, 02:04:40 PM »
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Petey got done dirty. He didn't appear at all in this episode, either to confirm his identity as Lube Man, or any other capacity. I think the last time we saw him was when he was picking through the bodies at Looking Glasses' compound, right before Laurie got kidnapped in Episode 7.

https://www.hbo.com/peteypedia

He's Lubeman, and also fired.
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agrajag

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« Reply #161 on: December 16, 2019, 02:13:34 PM »
pretty bold of Petey to play a double game like that. Laurie is like the blade runner for vigilantes.

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« Reply #163 on: December 16, 2019, 02:48:37 PM »
White people, just stay tuned for Season 2, where Petey is the hero we both need and deserve.
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Re: Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)
« Reply #164 on: December 16, 2019, 07:35:23 PM »
And his password is an easily-guessed 9 character phrase? C'mon.

Veidt having an easily guessed password was a plot point in the comics tho  :doge
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Tasty

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« Reply #165 on: December 16, 2019, 09:56:14 PM »
And his password is an easily-guessed 9 character phrase? C'mon.

Veidt having an easily guessed password was a plot point in the comics tho  :doge

You think he'd learn tho :beli

Also wasn't that on purpose? Or is my memory fuzzy

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« Reply #166 on: December 17, 2019, 12:38:07 AM »
"Everything for 5 blocks will be vaporized!"

Reality: minor hail storm

What the fuck was the point of Lady Trieu cloning her mom?

What the fuck was the point of the elephant?

What landed in those people's backyard?

Angela in episode 8, goes all super bad ass kills a ton of white supremacists. Angela in episode 9, "hey guys, can we just talk things over?"

There were some good moments, but I dunno this show ended up pretty uneven in the end.
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« Reply #167 on: December 17, 2019, 04:14:50 PM »
How long do they think they can keep Veidt in prison let alone win the trial :lol
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« Reply #168 on: December 17, 2019, 04:44:15 PM »
One of the best series I have seen this year.
It also ends with no real cliff-hanger. (there's something there to set up a sequel sure, but the main story is concluded).

I highly recommend it.
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« Reply #169 on: December 17, 2019, 05:08:31 PM »
I thought it was really good, and the Nostalgia episode was phenomenal.
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agrajag

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« Reply #170 on: December 17, 2019, 06:07:50 PM »
So is this just as bad as I imagined? Lindelof is a hack so now that it's over want to know what y'all thought.

no it was good

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« Reply #171 on: December 17, 2019, 06:12:20 PM »
I thought the idea of doing more Watchmen is dumb, but I liked it.
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agrajag

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« Reply #172 on: December 17, 2019, 06:19:15 PM »
I tried watching this, it's fucking boring.

please forgive me Daddylof

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Tasty

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« Reply #173 on: December 17, 2019, 06:40:18 PM »
Really great show, but kinda shits on the original comic so if you're a purist maybe stay away, and doesn't really stick the landing. Also has pacing issues (three straight flashback/exposition episodes right before the finale is ehhhh.)

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« Reply #174 on: December 17, 2019, 06:51:51 PM »
Really great show, but kinda shits on the original comic so if you're a purist maybe stay away

Alright I guess I will. Seeing as I hated everything Lindelof wrote (Including The Leftovers) it's best I stay away anyway.

Hmm yeah it's definitely a Lindelof show as well, very typical of his style.

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« Reply #175 on: December 17, 2019, 06:53:11 PM »
I will say the nostalgia episode on its own is pretty much a masterpiece. Same strata as Part 8 of Twin Peaks: The Return or San Junipero from Black Mirror.

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« Reply #176 on: December 17, 2019, 11:30:15 PM »
so as i could surmise from the first few eps, Lindelof show XXX : Blue Penis Boogaloo. Hard Pass  :nope

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« Reply #177 on: December 18, 2019, 01:10:01 AM »
yo gotta hand it to the crazy fuck though, not only did he acknowledge the giant squid canon but
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he called it back with the mini squid deus ex machina that resolved the finale
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it's like poetry

  :lucas

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« Reply #178 on: December 18, 2019, 08:53:57 AM »


Modern tech is pretty damn amazing.

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« Reply #179 on: December 18, 2019, 10:20:07 AM »
How did this show use black wall Street? I've heard of it doing that and want to know context
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