Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)

[agrajag]

ok I rewatched the first two episodes and actually paid attention this time, it's not bad. Will watch more.

[Joe Molotov]

The third episode is the most Watchmen-y episode so far.

[agrajag]

The third episode is the most Watchmen-y episode so far.

didn't know it came out already, what nights is it on? Will have to watch it tonight.

[Joe Molotov]

Sunday nights

[bluemax]

This show just keeps getting weirder.

[Momo]

this show is fucking shit, why is it even a watchmen show lmao

[Joe Molotov]

Because Jeremy Irons is catching babies in lobster traps and then putting them in a microwave.

[Leadbelly]

Okay. You people have intrigued me enough to actually watch it.

I have to say, this review didn't fill me with much confidence in it actually feeling like the Watchmen world though. He makes it sound like Lindelof is using the world simply to do something else. We'll see on that. And in that sense, it is not necessarily about whether it turns out good or bad, it is whether it feels authentic or not.

this show is fucking shit, why is it even a watchmen show lmao

hmmm... I will watch it and see for myself, but 'why is it even a Watchmen show' isn't a good sign. lol

[Momo]

This is Lindelof show 13 photogenic boogaloo with the pre-order Watchmen skin DLC, it's fuckall like Watchmen.

[Leadbelly]

I'll watch it anyway and see what I think of it.

[Joe Molotov]

I've enjoyed it so far. I like that it connects to the original Watchmen without it being slavishly devoted to the source material. Episode 4 was probably the weakest episode, but still worth it for Jeremy Irons doing weird shit.

[BlueTsunami]

Willingly and knowingly watching Lindelof in 2019

The Leftovers was good 

He seems to work better with tighter narratives than serial plots aimed at filling out 20 or more episodes (ala Lost)

I really like this take on Watchmen. I agree it's not religiously beholden to the source but builds on what was setup by Rorschach and the major events that changed the course of that alt universe. Not only that but it really leverages the weirdness of that universe to good effect. Stir that in with an awesome score and strong performances. It's fucking awesome.

[Nintex]

Watched ep 4.

This is some crazy shit so I'm still game.

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So Veidt is held prisoner? Possibly also due to 'some deal' with the Vietnamese lady? Gonna be lit when he breaks out and returns.

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[toku]

I'm digging it. Great score.

[agrajag]

I'm digging it. Great score.

Trent Reznor, baby!

[toku]

Yea his knack for creating a kind of creeping tension in his music really lends itself to film/tv scoring. Glad he's leaned into it.

[Joe Molotov]

Being butt naked in Hoboken during Squidfall while Careless Whisper is playing.

Better than Snyder’s Watchmen confirmed.

[Tasty]

I'm digging it. Great score.

Trent Reznor, baby!

Shit, I have to watch this now.

[Momo]

There's nothing coherent going on here, dont bother, watch a clip show.

[TVC15]

I’m lovin it

[bluemax]

Didn't they'd full on show the

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Squid

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but they did. So far like every fan theory has come true fairly quickly.

[BlueTsunami]

Yeah I've stopped reading theories cause they're pretty much spoilers at this point.

Episode 5 was so damn good. I also love the Looking Glass character. The world keeps knocking him around.

[Joe Molotov]

I hope

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Looking Glass isn't dead. He's too good to kill off right after he got a good character-centric episode.  :'( At any rate, he won't be in the next episode much, since it seems like it's mostly going to be a flashback episode centered around Angela OD'ing on her grandpa's Nostalgia.

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[Mr. Gundam]

Really digging this show.

[bluemax]

I hope

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Looking Glass isn't dead. He's too good to kill off right after he got a good character-centric episode.  :'( At any rate, he won't be in the next episode much, since it seems like it's mostly going to be a flashback episode centered around Angela OD'ing on her grandpa's Nostalgia.

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Yeah I feel the same. Finally a character who isn't a complete shit head and then... yeah.

There's at least 4 major power players on this show right now whose agendas haven't been fully revealed:

Lady Trieu
Will Reeves
Senator Keene
Adrian Veidt

[Nintex]

All these fools will be so dead when Veidt gets his revenge on them 

You are all forgetting the biggest power of all though, Dr. Manhattan.

[Tasty]

All these fools will be so dead when Veidt gets his revenge on them 

You are all forgetting the biggest power of all though, Dr. Manhattan.

Doc's in the DC multiverse fucking that up. Then again, he can be in two places at once.

[bluemax]

So one of the main aspects of this show is finding out the whole backstory to Hooded Justice, the first masked vigilante of the Watchmen world. This episode filled in the back story and provided pay off for all the fictionalized versions of HJ's backstory shown on the show inside the show. Making him a rage filled gay (bi?) black man who has been trying to take down the KKK (while also keeping German WW1 propaganda in his pocket) is certainly a very loaded choice.

Next week I assume we find out some of Lady Trieu's plan, and then that leaves us two episode to see if there is any kind of resolution to any of this build up, or if they intend to prolong it in some way (lulz its Lindelof of course they will prolong it).

All these fools will be so dead when Veidt gets his revenge on them 

You are all forgetting the biggest power of all though, Dr. Manhattan.

I did indeed forget Manhattan. And the pre-season teaser makes it seem like he is gonna show up at some point.

[Nintex]

That latest episode was crazy in all the good ways.

Too bad there was no Veidt though but that might allow for a time skip to get him somewhere else fast.

[Tasty]

Catching up, on episode 3. Been a long time since I've been this excited to jump on a new show.

[Ghoul]

Just watched the latest, this show is so abstract I actually love it.

Next week is going to be amazing!

[Nintex]

This is the first time I watched a show in a long time that after the first 2 episodes I couldn't tell what was going to happen next.

[agrajag]

this show is bonkers

[remy]

I haven't watched the show yet butI raed about the Hooded Justice thing actually reads as kinda smart to me. I never really thought about the context of the noose +hood + never showing his face thing, and apart from that one close up where his eyes are white him being black kinda makes sense.

It even puts a new spin on them killing that random strongman and makes it seem even more ridiculous than it already was.

[agrajag]

hooded justice is gonna be her grandfather

[agrajag]

for the record I wrote that just before firing up ep6

[kingv]

Been watching this over Thanksgiving and it’s way better than expected. I didn’t expect it to be very referential to the comics based on the trailer, but frankly, I’m almost surprised this show got made the way it is. Ok not sure how you could even follow it without having read the books.

[agrajag]

Been watching this over Thanksgiving and it’s way better than expected. I didn’t expect it to be very referential to the comics based on the trailer, but frankly, I’m almost surprised this show got made the way it is. Ok not sure how you could even follow it without having read the books.

I didn't and I like it just fine. I don't mind being slightly lost in the backstory

[Joe Molotov]

Just got around to watching Ep 6, and whew lads.

I don’t know if they can stick the landing, but it’s been a helluva ride.

[agrajag]

it's only 10 episodes, no further seasons planned?

[Tasty]

it's only 10 episodes, no further seasons planned?

Further seasons possible, but Lindelof will be stepping away as he feels he's told "his story" in season one.

[Joe Molotov]

it's only 10 episodes, no further seasons planned?

9 episodes

[agrajag]

damn, only 3 left. How the hell are they gonna wrap up the Ozymandias craziness.

[Tasty]

Lol Doomsday Clock #12 hits three days after the finale of this. Universe can be weird sometimes.

[Yeti]

I thought Doomsday Clock was from a year ago? I haven’t read it, or the Watchmen 2 comics they did a while ago. Have anything from them wound up in the tv show?

[Tasty]

I thought Doomsday Clock was from a year ago? I haven’t read it, or the Watchmen 2 comics they did a while ago. Have anything from them wound up in the tv show?

I've tried my hardest and haven't been able to confirm or deconfirm whether anything in Before Watchmen is canon to the show.

Doomsday Clock was supposed to end a year ago but each issue was delayed to the point the finale is coming out this month, when the series started in November 2017.

[Tasty]

Scratch that, Doc Manhattan fleeing the Third Reich is straight from Before Watchmen, so I guess they are including that in canon too.

[Tasty]

Yo the music this ep

That ending

Lots of shit outright confirmed this episode

That cab scene got to me

[kingv]

I thought Doomsday Clock was from a year ago? I haven’t read it, or the Watchmen 2 comics they did a while ago. Have anything from them wound up in the tv show?

I've tried my hardest and haven't been able to confirm or deconfirm whether anything in Before Watchmen is canon to the show.

Doomsday Clock was supposed to end a year ago but each issue was delayed to the point the finale is coming out this month, when the series started in November 2017.

It’s been a long time since I read the prequels... but I feel like the hooded justice stuff might outright contradict them at least in part.

I don’t really see how they wrap it up in 2 episodes.

[Joe Molotov]

[agrajag]

this shit was cray and I fucking loved it

Lindelof > haters

[TVC15]

Is there a prevailing theory on how Veidt is going to tie into the main story, or is his whole Dr. Manhattan prison thing still looking like a tangent like the raft story in the comics?

[Joe Molotov]

When the elephant showed up, I was like, okay yep. Just hook this into my veins (figuratively).

[agrajag]

was the Game Warden one of the clones, I couldn't tell

[BlueTsunami]

was the Game Warden one of the clones, I couldn't tell

He is, which makes the absurdity of it all that much better

It's like a literal guilt trip to go along with the literal elephant

[Tasty]

Lol someone on Reddit guessed

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Doc Manhatten two weeks ago by comparing the knuckle patterns of Doc picking up the mask in the trailer to the actor playing Cal.

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[Joe Molotov]

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It explains why Agent Blake was so horny for Cal, she subconsciously sensed that blue d.

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[agrajag]

Ozymandias is trapped on Mars

[Joe Molotov]

What if the real Ozymadias was the works we looked upon and despaired along the way?

[agrajag]

I mean, obviously for drama's sake, the Seventh Kavalry is going to be able to hurt Dr Manhattan in some way and make him vulnerable, but it's hard imagining that they could actually do something to him, he's practically a god. Kind of like when Ozy tried to zap him with some death rays or something in the movie (does he do that in the book, I haven't read it)