Lindelof fucks up Watchmen (HBO)

[agrajag]

I tried watching this, it's fucking boring.

please forgive me Daddylof

 

[Tasty]

Really great show, but kinda shits on the original comic so if you're a purist maybe stay away, and doesn't really stick the landing. Also has pacing issues (three straight flashback/exposition episodes right before the finale is ehhhh.)

[Tasty]

Really great show, but kinda shits on the original comic so if you're a purist maybe stay away

Alright I guess I will. Seeing as I hated everything Lindelof wrote (Including The Leftovers) it's best I stay away anyway.

Hmm yeah it's definitely a Lindelof show as well, very typical of his style.

[Tasty]

I will say the nostalgia episode on its own is pretty much a masterpiece. Same strata as Part 8 of Twin Peaks: The Return or San Junipero from Black Mirror.

[Momo]

so as i could surmise from the first few eps, Lindelof show XXX : Blue Penis Boogaloo. Hard Pass 

[agrajag]

yo gotta hand it to the crazy fuck though, not only did he acknowledge the giant squid canon but

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he called it back with the mini squid deus ex machina that resolved the finale

[close]

it's like poetry

 

[Tasty]

Modern tech is pretty damn amazing.

[Himu]

How did this show use black wall Street? I've heard of it doing that and want to know context

[Joe Molotov]

How did this show use black wall Street? I've heard of it doing that and want to know context

The Black Wall Street massacre is shown early on in the series and it's the flashpoint that all the themes of the show are based around. White supremacy and it's close ties to law enforcement, distrust of authority, people wearing masks and for what reasons (the Klan, "Masked Adventurers)", the use of terror by those in power in order to maintain their power, vigilantism vs justice,  "fixing the system from the inside" vs "fighting the system from the outside", etc.

[Himu]

How did this show use black wall Street? I've heard of it doing that and want to know context

The Black Wall Street massacre is shown early on in the series and it's the flashpoint that all the themes of the show are based around. White supremacy and it's close ties to law enforcement, distrust of authority, people wearing masks and for what reasons (the Klan, "Masked Adventurers)", the use of terror by those in power in order to maintain their power, vigilantism vs justice,  "fixing the system from the inside" vs "fighting the system from the outside", etc.

Damn. I need to watch this.

[Human Snorenado]

How did this show use black wall Street? I've heard of it doing that and want to know context

The Black Wall Street massacre is shown early on in the series and it's the flashpoint that all the themes of the show are based around. White supremacy and it's close ties to law enforcement, distrust of authority, people wearing masks and for what reasons (the Klan, "Masked Adventurers)", the use of terror by those in power in order to maintain their power, vigilantism vs justice,  "fixing the system from the inside" vs "fighting the system from the outside", etc.

Damn. I need to watch this.

You do. It's the best thing I've seen on tv this year, including Chernobyl. People that don't like it are bad people with bad opinions who should feel bad. BAD, I SAID.

[agrajag]

it kind of sucks to not have a new episode to look forward to on a sunday

[toku]

The ending kinda left me cold to be honest. Show had me until the last 20 minutes or so of the finale. My favorite moment of the ending is probably Angela going to the theater and Lou Gossett Jr. telling her you can't heal under a mask.

[agrajag]

yeah, I'm not sure they stuck the landing, but what a journey it was! The whole business with the baby squids, and Angela becoming the new Dr Manhattan, I dunno about that one dawg

[Human Snorenado]

I dunno, I thought it ended perfectly. It was ostensibly about a plot to steal Dr Manhattan's powers but to me, the real genius was the Will/Angela story arc, and it nailed the fuck out of that. Anytime super heroes are involved, you're pretty much always going to end up with some dumb deus ex machina popping up at the last minute, kinda like... the original Watchmen books.

[agrajag]

I just don't know how they're gonna continue, if they are. Either Angela fucks off to Europa like the OG Manhattan, or she stays fighting crime like a generic super hero, which would be super goofy. There's probably other possibilities, but I lack imagination.

[toku]

I dunno, I thought it ended perfectly. It was ostensibly about a plot to steal Dr Manhattan's powers but to me, the real genius was the Will/Angela story arc, and it nailed the fuck out of that. Anytime super heroes are involved, you're pretty much always going to end up with some dumb deus ex machina popping up at the last minute, kinda like... the original Watchmen books.

Yeah I think the biggest thing leaving me cold is like you said, the deus ex machina. I don't like how Lady Trieu went out at all.

[agrajag]

I didn't like how the squids practically didn't harm anyone except for lady triu, feels like they pulled their punches. Targeted precision squids. 

[Human Snorenado]

If you wanna be pedantic about it, the squids didn't even kill her... the large hovering object that she was standing under did after it sustained enough direct squid hits to wreck it, which makes sense since it had a much larger surface area than the relatively small target presented by the average human head/shoulders.

I think it's perfect at one season. If you wanna do something in the Watchmen "universe" wait a couple years and do something mostly unrelated. Leave Dr Manhattan out of it, preferably.

[agrajag]

they punctured her hand almost immediately but failed to hurt anyone else iirc. The telephone booth is rock fucking solid.

[shosta]

This was one of the most entertaining shows of the year and I'd recommend it to anyone. I will say however that Wrath forced me at gunpoint to read the comics after and it's amazing how much this isn't Watchmen. It completely fails to translate the themes to a modern setting. It would be more accurate to say this is a wacky adventure in the Watchmen universe.

[Tasty]

This was one of the most entertaining shows of the year and I'd recommend it to anyone. I will say however that Wrath forced me at gunpoint to read the comics after and it's amazing how much this isn't Watchmen. It completely fails to translate the themes to a modern setting. It would be more accurate to say this is a wacky adventure in the Watchmen universe.

Yuppp...

Really great show, but kinda shits on the original comic so if you're a purist maybe stay away, and doesn't really stick the landing. Also has pacing issues (three straight flashback/exposition episodes right before the finale is ehhhh.)

I'm also less enthused that the plot really was as simple as "good guy vs bad guy." Watchmen's entire thing was shading the heroes and villains gray to the point you can't tell them apart. The fact the ending and its debate has endured so long is a testament to that achievement.

It seems to me the purpose of Watchmen HBO season 1 was to "clear the boards" so a longer-lasting incarnation can take place. Between the death of Dr. Manhattan and the exposure of
Veidt's scheme, the status quo is back to even before issue #1.

All they need to do is re-legalize masked vigilantes and you can literally have a Saturday Morning Watchmen perpetual franchise now.

I agree it's a great show though. Like I said, the Nostalgia episode is absolutely top-tier TV.

[Tasty]

Doomsday Clock was probably the more faithful "sequel"... until the last couple issues when it got really DC heavy (and the integration of real world politics into the DCU wasn't handled too well IMO.)

[shosta]

It's just crazy to me that he wrote that huge ass letter about how he wasn't going to fuck up watchmen and he fucked up watchmen

[nudemacusers]

1:1 adaptations are boring af tbh

[shosta]

If you can stand his tedious style,

I really can't.

it's been seven months and I didn't want to say this but I can't hold it in anymore. Rufus was talking about Hulk, not Lindelof

[Human Snorenado]

bu bu bu bu gtfo with this nonsense

comic books are all absurdist trash, even the good shit like yer Alan Moores, yer Garth Ennises, and yer Warren Ellisessesesees

"omg this story and execution was basically god tier but because it isn't 'faithful' to a paranoid chaos wizard's heavily influenced by the era it was written in's mid 80's limited run it sucks"

comic book fans are the fucking worst, you're all trash, go watch the fucking shit tier Arrowverse, that's all you deserve

(yes I am drunk, yes everything said was true, yes you ALL FUCKING DESERVE THIS)

[nudemacusers]

Do me next daddy

[Tasty]

I have no problem enjoying the schlock of the Arrowverse either.

And some people say Wrestling Fans have it bad.

[Momo]

bu bu bu bu gtfo with this nonsense

comic books are all absurdist trash, even the good shit like yer Alan Moores, yer Garth Ennises, and yer Warren Ellisessesesees

"omg this story and execution was basically god tier but because it isn't 'faithful' to a paranoid chaos wizard's heavily influenced by the era it was written in's mid 80's limited run it sucks"

comic book fans are the fucking worst, you're all trash, go watch the fucking shit tier Arrowverse, that's all you deserve

(yes I am drunk, yes everything said was true, yes you ALL FUCKING DESERVE THIS)

imagine being this salty and bitter

[Tasty]

https://twitter.com/rocco_botte/status/1213302123498106881

I always love Rocco's takes on things.

[Joe Molotov]

Beast Wars was gay af tho

[Tasty]

Beast Wars was gay af tho

They censored all the gay sex tho

[agrajag]

wouldn't beast wars contain interspecies beastiality?

 

[Great Rumbler]

Is it still bestiality if no human is involved? 

[agrajag]

the bestiality expert has joined the chat

[Don Rumata]

If you can stand his tedious style,

I really can't.

it's been seven months and I didn't want to say this but I can't hold it in anymore. Rufus was talking about Hulk, not Lindelof

I know, me too.
I cant stand bis gimmick even if he occasionally makes some good points.