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Quote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 02:29:54 PMA bunch of the negative Joker reviews are so laughably transparent in their political bent. Quote"But the crucial parody, the crucial mockery, the work of which “Joker” comes off as a callously commercial imitation, is “Black Panther”—a comic-book-based movie that infuses its framework with rigorously conceived and boldly assertive political visions to go with its elaborate world-building." - The New YorkerThe guardian review mentions incels and Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, the alt-right and other shit.The new york times whines Quote"...from Phillips himself, who has been sounding off about the “far left” and “woke culture” and other threats to the ability of a murderous clown to make money unmolested."Scared to say it was bad, upset this is happening in CURRENT YEAR. Quote"There’s an inherent worry saying Joker is a bad movie, particularly with the knowledge that female writers have been threatened for stating just such an opinion. But it’s telling a telling statement, both from the angle of women being terrorized to readers being so riled up over a review that they would go to such lengths. Maybe that’s what happens when a movie so unabashedly strives to give justification to the Clown Prince of Evil’s actions as Todd Phillips’ Joker does." -Some rando @ culturess.comThe Salon review though, wow. Quote"Is it a dangerous manifesto that could inspire incels to commit acts of violence, as some of its critics fear? The answer is yes.." andQuoteAnd yes, there is good reason to worry that this film will appeal to incels. The character of Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz) exists for no other purpose than to be a supposed love interest who is stalked, obsessed over, has her apartment broken into, and is eventually reduced to a plot gimmick. She is, in other words, an object in Fleck's world rather than a three-dimensional character, with her main function that of reinforcing Fleck's sense of failure and justify his resentments against the world. This is perhaps an intentional parallel to Cybill Shepherd's Betsy from "Taxi Driver," but we actually saw Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle interact with her in meaningful ways and learned about her as a person. While Sophie isn't vilified, the simplistic and objectifying nature of her story arc is problematic, and meshes uneasily with a movie that is aimed at the violently embittered. -Salon(Image removed from quote.) Get a life bro
A bunch of the negative Joker reviews are so laughably transparent in their political bent. Quote"But the crucial parody, the crucial mockery, the work of which “Joker” comes off as a callously commercial imitation, is “Black Panther”—a comic-book-based movie that infuses its framework with rigorously conceived and boldly assertive political visions to go with its elaborate world-building." - The New YorkerThe guardian review mentions incels and Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, the alt-right and other shit.The new york times whines Quote"...from Phillips himself, who has been sounding off about the “far left” and “woke culture” and other threats to the ability of a murderous clown to make money unmolested."Scared to say it was bad, upset this is happening in CURRENT YEAR. Quote"There’s an inherent worry saying Joker is a bad movie, particularly with the knowledge that female writers have been threatened for stating just such an opinion. But it’s telling a telling statement, both from the angle of women being terrorized to readers being so riled up over a review that they would go to such lengths. Maybe that’s what happens when a movie so unabashedly strives to give justification to the Clown Prince of Evil’s actions as Todd Phillips’ Joker does." -Some rando @ culturess.comThe Salon review though, wow. Quote"Is it a dangerous manifesto that could inspire incels to commit acts of violence, as some of its critics fear? The answer is yes.." andQuoteAnd yes, there is good reason to worry that this film will appeal to incels. The character of Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz) exists for no other purpose than to be a supposed love interest who is stalked, obsessed over, has her apartment broken into, and is eventually reduced to a plot gimmick. She is, in other words, an object in Fleck's world rather than a three-dimensional character, with her main function that of reinforcing Fleck's sense of failure and justify his resentments against the world. This is perhaps an intentional parallel to Cybill Shepherd's Betsy from "Taxi Driver," but we actually saw Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle interact with her in meaningful ways and learned about her as a person. While Sophie isn't vilified, the simplistic and objectifying nature of her story arc is problematic, and meshes uneasily with a movie that is aimed at the violently embittered. -Salon(Image removed from quote.)
"But the crucial parody, the crucial mockery, the work of which “Joker” comes off as a callously commercial imitation, is “Black Panther”—a comic-book-based movie that infuses its framework with rigorously conceived and boldly assertive political visions to go with its elaborate world-building."
"...from Phillips himself, who has been sounding off about the “far left” and “woke culture” and other threats to the ability of a murderous clown to make money unmolested."
"There’s an inherent worry saying Joker is a bad movie, particularly with the knowledge that female writers have been threatened for stating just such an opinion. But it’s telling a telling statement, both from the angle of women being terrorized to readers being so riled up over a review that they would go to such lengths. Maybe that’s what happens when a movie so unabashedly strives to give justification to the Clown Prince of Evil’s actions as Todd Phillips’ Joker does."
"Is it a dangerous manifesto that could inspire incels to commit acts of violence, as some of its critics fear? The answer is yes.."
And yes, there is good reason to worry that this film will appeal to incels. The character of Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz) exists for no other purpose than to be a supposed love interest who is stalked, obsessed over, has her apartment broken into, and is eventually reduced to a plot gimmick. She is, in other words, an object in Fleck's world rather than a three-dimensional character, with her main function that of reinforcing Fleck's sense of failure and justify his resentments against the world. This is perhaps an intentional parallel to Cybill Shepherd's Betsy from "Taxi Driver," but we actually saw Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle interact with her in meaningful ways and learned about her as a person. While Sophie isn't vilified, the simplistic and objectifying nature of her story arc is problematic, and meshes uneasily with a movie that is aimed at the violently embittered.
Why the fuck this even needs to be a political issue? Feels like reverse Ghostbusters 2016 as how dumb all this.
Why the fuck this even needs to be a political issue? Feels like reverse Ghostbusters 2016 as how dumb all this is.
These dumb motherfuckers acting like some weird woke puritans are far more likely to inspire violence than a movie.
I mean, I know the woke-mob has developed a real taste for violence after Etika and Alec Holowka, but I don’t think that makes it right to continue egging things on.
Quote from: curly on October 04, 2019, 02:53:29 PMQuote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 02:29:54 PMA bunch of the negative Joker reviews are so laughably transparent in their political bent. Quote"But the crucial parody, the crucial mockery, the work of which “Joker” comes off as a callously commercial imitation, is “Black Panther”—a comic-book-based movie that infuses its framework with rigorously conceived and boldly assertive political visions to go with its elaborate world-building." - The New YorkerThe guardian review mentions incels and Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, the alt-right and other shit.The new york times whines Quote"...from Phillips himself, who has been sounding off about the “far left” and “woke culture” and other threats to the ability of a murderous clown to make money unmolested."Scared to say it was bad, upset this is happening in CURRENT YEAR. Quote"There’s an inherent worry saying Joker is a bad movie, particularly with the knowledge that female writers have been threatened for stating just such an opinion. But it’s telling a telling statement, both from the angle of women being terrorized to readers being so riled up over a review that they would go to such lengths. Maybe that’s what happens when a movie so unabashedly strives to give justification to the Clown Prince of Evil’s actions as Todd Phillips’ Joker does." -Some rando @ culturess.comThe Salon review though, wow. Quote"Is it a dangerous manifesto that could inspire incels to commit acts of violence, as some of its critics fear? The answer is yes.." andQuoteAnd yes, there is good reason to worry that this film will appeal to incels. The character of Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz) exists for no other purpose than to be a supposed love interest who is stalked, obsessed over, has her apartment broken into, and is eventually reduced to a plot gimmick. She is, in other words, an object in Fleck's world rather than a three-dimensional character, with her main function that of reinforcing Fleck's sense of failure and justify his resentments against the world. This is perhaps an intentional parallel to Cybill Shepherd's Betsy from "Taxi Driver," but we actually saw Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle interact with her in meaningful ways and learned about her as a person. While Sophie isn't vilified, the simplistic and objectifying nature of her story arc is problematic, and meshes uneasily with a movie that is aimed at the violently embittered. -Salon(Image removed from quote.) Get a life bro spoiler (click to show/hide)Really, getting mad because a comic book film. Is really detestable. [close]
Quote from: Boredfrom on October 04, 2019, 04:39:46 PMQuote from: curly on October 04, 2019, 02:53:29 PMQuote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 02:29:54 PMA bunch of the negative Joker reviews are so laughably transparent in their political bent. Quote"But the crucial parody, the crucial mockery, the work of which “Joker” comes off as a callously commercial imitation, is “Black Panther”—a comic-book-based movie that infuses its framework with rigorously conceived and boldly assertive political visions to go with its elaborate world-building." - The New YorkerThe guardian review mentions incels and Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro, the alt-right and other shit.The new york times whines Quote"...from Phillips himself, who has been sounding off about the “far left” and “woke culture” and other threats to the ability of a murderous clown to make money unmolested."Scared to say it was bad, upset this is happening in CURRENT YEAR. Quote"There’s an inherent worry saying Joker is a bad movie, particularly with the knowledge that female writers have been threatened for stating just such an opinion. But it’s telling a telling statement, both from the angle of women being terrorized to readers being so riled up over a review that they would go to such lengths. Maybe that’s what happens when a movie so unabashedly strives to give justification to the Clown Prince of Evil’s actions as Todd Phillips’ Joker does." -Some rando @ culturess.comThe Salon review though, wow. Quote"Is it a dangerous manifesto that could inspire incels to commit acts of violence, as some of its critics fear? The answer is yes.." andQuoteAnd yes, there is good reason to worry that this film will appeal to incels. The character of Sophie Dumond (Zazie Beetz) exists for no other purpose than to be a supposed love interest who is stalked, obsessed over, has her apartment broken into, and is eventually reduced to a plot gimmick. She is, in other words, an object in Fleck's world rather than a three-dimensional character, with her main function that of reinforcing Fleck's sense of failure and justify his resentments against the world. This is perhaps an intentional parallel to Cybill Shepherd's Betsy from "Taxi Driver," but we actually saw Robert De Niro's Travis Bickle interact with her in meaningful ways and learned about her as a person. While Sophie isn't vilified, the simplistic and objectifying nature of her story arc is problematic, and meshes uneasily with a movie that is aimed at the violently embittered. -Salon(Image removed from quote.) Get a life bro spoiler (click to show/hide)Really, getting mad because a comic book film. Is really detestable. [close]Says the dude who read like every review of this movie to prove the critics are biased against it
Quote from: Boredfrom on October 04, 2019, 05:30:00 PM All u incels look the same to me
Its an interesting balance because the death of the welfare capitalist state is the material fuel for the unrest in the movie, but it's counterbalanced by portraying the movement in question as a group of revanchist bloodthirsty lumpen criminals getting behind a terrorist with no moral compass.
Boredfrom, you do realize any sort of political take on entertainment doesn't always mean "REEEEE" right?
Thank God, Shinobi's son's favorite superhero was there to save the day.
But all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/youre-not-going-to-remember-any-of-this-shit-joker-re-1838770612QuoteBut all of this comes together to make Joaquin Phoenix’s Arthur Fleck the perfect Joker for our era; something that produces a whirlwind or reaction and counter-reaction, to the point that people are absolutely positive every theater will produce one mass shooting or that Joker will replace all western canon, and after all that, we get a positively unremarkable expedition that will be forgotten by Thanksgiving, a product of a media economy where three companies who make everything keep it as efficient as possible by just making a few types of media properties and hoping people will tear each other apart in the cramped space to increase every product’s Q rating. It is an endless debate over a social phenomenon it’s not actually about, a boring culture war that will have no resolution, and a million jokes people on either side of it don’t actually have fun telling. It’s a bunch of clenched, gritting smiles that made Warner Brothers millions of dollars, and then you go home, more likely to die from boring yet equally evil indignities than getting killed at a culturally relevant event.so in the end it was about society
Quote from: Dantizzinel on October 04, 2019, 06:16:55 PMBoredfrom, you do realize any sort of political take on entertainment doesn't always mean "REEEEE" right?The joker gets to say we live in a society, but we can't
so how was the movie
Quote from: Boredfrom on October 04, 2019, 06:49:59 PMso how was the moviethe link to the full review is right there
why are you so weirdly aggro about defending this movie
then maybe you should actually read the link before being a whiny bitch about it
boredform is the incel RE fears
The Joker will be this generations Gone with the wind. You can hate it all you want, but it'll be a movie shown in every history class around the world for generations to come.
Boredfrom, are you gonna dress up like the Joker for Halloween this year? Did you dress up as Heath's Joker 10 years ago?
I don't speak Taco Bell. American please.
the film is inherently political due to its subject matter though, so critics have to address it politically.
Quote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 07:29:18 PMThe Joker will be this generations Gone with the wind. You can hate it all you want, but it'll be a movie shown in every history class around the world for generations to come.LMAO you can't predict that type of shit.
Quote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 08:04:38 PMQuote from: Dantizzinel on October 04, 2019, 07:57:42 PMQuote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 07:29:18 PMThe Joker will be this generations Gone with the wind. You can hate it all you want, but it'll be a movie shown in every history class around the world for generations to come.LMAO you can't predict that type of shit.Of course I can. I'm an expert, unlike yourself.An expert at getting mad over woke shit, sure
Quote from: Dantizzinel on October 04, 2019, 07:57:42 PMQuote from: stufte on October 04, 2019, 07:29:18 PMThe Joker will be this generations Gone with the wind. You can hate it all you want, but it'll be a movie shown in every history class around the world for generations to come.LMAO you can't predict that type of shit.Of course I can. I'm an expert, unlike yourself.
Just look what Joker has done to this forum!!
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2019, 08:56:21 PMJust look what Joker has done to this forum!! https://www.instagram.com/p/B3ENgFdF5Er/
Quote from: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2019, 08:56:21 PMJust look what Joker has done to this forum!! Hey now. We're all gamers here, we can move past this.
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I can't believe we've reached a point where lefties are scared of comic book movies and Mortal Kombat
Quote from: Dantizzinel on October 04, 2019, 08:58:51 PMQuote from: Great Rumbler on October 04, 2019, 08:56:21 PMJust look what Joker has done to this forum!! Hey now. We're all gamers here, we can move past this.(Image removed from quote.)
