PS5 will feature Haptic Feedback, Adaptive Triggers, Launches Holiday 2020

[kingv]

I’m more like going for the Xbonetwo first

Haven't the past ~10 years taught you not to go with Xbox, and certainly not first?
Buy a PlayStation and a Nintendo system and you cover almost everything that matters.

I hear that.... but i always tend to gravitate towards playing the Xbox most often. Not really sure why, I just prefer it even acknowledging that I end up buying a PS4 eventually for some weird Japanese exclusive.

[Joe Molotov]

Speaking of BC, I take it PS5 will only be compatible with PS4? I'd love BC with all previous PlayStation home consoles (and if we're going all out, even PSP and Vita). I don't see any downside for Sony selling PS1/2/3 games again digitally. It would be a win-win.
Full BC (if feasible) should become a standard feature.

Agree.  Because this shit here, is unacceptable... You mean to tell me my PS4 won't run this Sony??  Fuck you.
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Is it unacceptable?

We've been 2.5 generations deep already where companies resell ports slowly over the course of 7/8 years. Sony/Xbox aside, Nintendo slowly sold a limited amount of games over the entire course of the Wii, went on to make people slowly get thirsty for Earthbound on Wii U, and is doing the same now on Switch.

People will gladly drop dosh for officially sold rom rips from illegal sites. Seems par for the course.

It's not just that you have to rebuy it, but that you can't even rebuy it for PS4. All their PSOne Classics are only compatible with PS3/Vita for reasons.

[Svejk]

I have Alundra on my Wii U with the widescreen hack, but that's not the point.  Yeah, they're selling this across most Sony platforms, except the one that's still thriving and has the widest audience.  Doesn't make sense.  With PS5, they need to push that bc trick they've patented.  Or even have everything available with PSNow. 

And Alundra 1 is the fucking shiznit and should be on everything and everyone should play it.  Hell, even the switch can run it.

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[Occam]

I actually own a physical copy of Alundra.

[Svejk]

  Timeless PS1 games

[bork]

Most games don't make any use of it. Pretty much just 1-2 Switch, Mario Kart, and Odyssey that I can think of right now.

The REASON why joycon HD rumble was added:



 

[bork]

These bullshit pad technologies never get used past the first year of releases, and they bump up the prices of gamepads for no reason. 

What PS4 game even uses the motion controls and touch-pad, in a significant way? They all resorted to using it as an alternate "Select/Start" button.

I'm happy about the modular installation/download of games though, fuck having to instaall 50GB of multiplayer i'm never gonna touch.

The worst is the glowing light. Drains the battery like crazy and I can't even recall any games it was used in.

Don't forget how amazing it is to essentially have a flashlight's glare on your TV screen at all times, what a brilliant idea!
I was happy you could turn it off on PC, at least.

Are you playing with the controller right up against the screen or something?     Just turn down the brightness.

If you play in front of a TV larger than 32", with the lights off, turning down the brightness won't do much.
Not a problem if i play on PC tho.

Seriously- Are you playing with the controller right up against the screen or something?     I have a 55" TV.  I don't sit incredibly close to it.  Don't have a problem with lights reflecting on the screen.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Can’t wait for this to release for $600-$800 due to trade war and cause gamers to rise up against Trump.

I hope Sony is able to get the PS5 to not sound like a vacuum cleaner when playing a game and to have controllers that don’t fall apart after 2 months.

[Joe Molotov]

Thread about PS5...

.. arguing about ancient PS1 games.

LOL

I'd rather have BC than haptic feedback or adaptive triggers.

[Don Rumata]

These bullshit pad technologies never get used past the first year of releases, and they bump up the prices of gamepads for no reason. 

What PS4 game even uses the motion controls and touch-pad, in a significant way? They all resorted to using it as an alternate "Select/Start" button.

I'm happy about the modular installation/download of games though, fuck having to instaall 50GB of multiplayer i'm never gonna touch.

The worst is the glowing light. Drains the battery like crazy and I can't even recall any games it was used in.

Don't forget how amazing it is to essentially have a flashlight's glare on your TV screen at all times, what a brilliant idea!
I was happy you could turn it off on PC, at least.

Are you playing with the controller right up against the screen or something?     Just turn down the brightness.

If you play in front of a TV larger than 32", with the lights off, turning down the brightness won't do much.
Not a problem if i play on PC tho.

Seriously- Are you playing with the controller right up against the screen or something?     I have a 55" TV.  I don't sit incredibly close to it.  Don't have a problem with lights reflecting on the screen.

I'm about 1.5/2 meters away from the TV, i'd say.
It's eye level, so if the pad's light reflects on the bottom part of the TV pretty consistently (see diagram below).




(translator's note: sirens are the light beam from the controller)

[paprikastaude]

Speaking of BC, I take it PS5 will only be compatible with PS4? I'd love BC with all previous PlayStation home consoles (and if we're going all out, even PSP and Vita). I don't see any downside for Sony selling PS1/2/3 games again digitally. It would be a win-win.
Full BC (if feasible) should become a standard feature.

Agree.  Because this shit here, is unacceptable... You mean to tell me my PS4 won't run this Sony??  Fuck you.
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Even if I buy the excuse for PS3 games being too complicated to emulate, no way PS1/2 is anything but trifle for the developers which they have to actively refuse to unlock.

Thread about PS5...

.. arguing about ancient PS1 games.

LOL

Of which many might be digital purchases from only one generation ago, so it would be good not to lose them...

[naff]

Can’t wait for this to release for $600-$800 due to trade war and cause gamers to rise up against Trump.

I hope Sony is able to get the PS5 to not sound like a vacuum cleaner when playing a game and to have controllers that don’t fall apart after 2 months.

this really annoys me about consoles. i get it, you don't want to inflate the price of your console by forking out for low db fan cooling, but man, i wish they would.

[paprikastaude]

I'll eat their goddamn 500 bucks if I never have to swap Playstations again for old games.

[kingv]

Don’t you hate the switch because it has old games on it? 

The list old old PlayStation games I would want to play, that I can’t already play somewhere today is really small.

It’s basically God Hand and MGS4.

[bork]

With PS5, they need to push that bc trick they've patented.  Or even have everything available with PSNow. 

It will probably be the latter. 

[paprikastaude]

Don’t you hate the switch because it has old games on it? 

Old games as full priced key releases and as a majority of the "new" games lineup. Not the ability to play my library or the eventual ebay purchase - especially when it should be easily possible for the publisher.

[kingv]

I think the odds that ps5 lets you insert a Disc older than a PS4 disc and play that game off of the disc, for free is very low.

They might find a way to deliver ps3 and earlier games, but it won’t be “put the old disc in the drive”

[remy]

Sony playing catch up to Nintendo and Microsoft with last gen features like non garbage rumble

[nachobro]

I think the odds that ps5 lets you insert a Disc older than a PS4 disc and play that game off of the disc, for free is very low.

They might find a way to deliver ps3 and earlier games, but it won’t be “put the old disc in the drive”

xbox stay winning

[kingv]

I don’t think MS would have pushed BC so hard had they started this gen in a better place.

It was a total desperation move.

[nachobro]

fine by me cause now we got it

[Svejk]

At first I was expecting PSVR2 to launch with PSFif, but I'm reading more and more that it'll most likely come post launch...  I need more info on that, because that could be a deciding factor on when to drop down the skrilla for one... Also, how compatible the PSVR1 will be with it and/or how much it would improve it's capabilities over running on PS4.

[Rufus]

why

[paprikastaude]

[Svejk]

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why

NO. 5 ALIVE, BITCHES!!

[Tuckers Law]

I still celebrate Short Circuit 2.  It’s such a watchable movie.

[tiesto]

Man, Alundra was so great. Every game since from Matrix just hasn't captured the magic, though Avalon Code was OK.

My dream for PS5 would be region free disc based BC from PS1 onwards, would be nice to pack away the JP PS2, the PS3 and PS4.

[thisismyusername]

I'll eat their goddamn 500 bucks if I never have to swap Playstations again for old games.

And it doesn't fucking break for 20 years.

[Rahxephon91]

I never understand all the BC talk. Like I buy systems to play new games. I've installed some of the BC Xbox 360 games. I go "oh this is neat" and then never play them.

Then again I also don't prop up the Vita because holy shit it can play PS1 games.

BC is nice, but it aint gonna mean shit if theres nothing good and new to play on the PS5.

Not that I don’t replay old games from time to time, but it hardly factors into my new console desires.

[Tripon]

Pretty sure I'll skip PS5.

[OnlyRegret]

I never understand all the BC talk. Like I buy systems to play new games. I've installed some of the BC Xbox 360 games. I go "oh this is neat" and then never play them.

Then again I also don't prop up the Vita because holy shit it can play PS1 games.

BC is nice, but it aint gonna mean shit if theres nothing good and new to play on the PS5.

Not that I don’t replay old games from time to time, but it hardly factors into my new console desires.

-collection padding
-collection permanence
-encourages purchases as they outlast systems

just a nice feature to have

[paprikastaude]

I never understand all the BC talk. Like I buy systems to play new games. I've installed some of the BC Xbox 360 games. I go "oh this is neat" and then never play them.

Then again I also don't prop up the Vita because holy shit it can play PS1 games.

BC is nice, but it aint gonna mean shit if theres nothing good and new to play on the PS5.

Not that I don’t replay old games from time to time, but it hardly factors into my new console desires.

  

No one wants BC but no new PS5 games at the same time.

[Occam]

Imagine buying a new shelf but not being able to put your old books on it. This is similar.

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Ignoring for a moment that in this analogy you would still need different shelves for different brands of books*, but at least not multiple shelves for books from the same brand.

*Except for PC, but there you have no more actual game ownership most of the time.

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[Svejk]

Even for us all-digital, they should at least have the majority of their legacy games, licencing permitting, available for download and/or streaming. 

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And have trophy support for all of it. 

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[paprikastaude]

Trophies already killed new PS2 BC, fuck off with that shit 

[Svejk]

Like how?  I don't know because I never tried any of them..

And tbph, I could care less.  It's more the pricipality of it.  Kinda like all the emulators on my phone.. will I play them all?  No... but I know that it's available to me if I so desired...

Hell, when I bought my PS4, I sold my PS3 and it's whole library and started fresh... Gotta say, it felt good.  Never looked back.  I would be ok with doing that again... ESPECIALLY with the overbearing backlog I have now. 

[Rahxephon91]

If I want to play PS2 or PS1 games....I’ll play them on my PS2 or BC PS3 hooked up to my crt tv.

PS2 and PS1 games look amazingly awful on a good 4K tv and a PS5 isn’t going to change that. PS4 is really the only system I’d want BC as those games will still hold up during the PS5’s life.

[Rahxephon91]

Imagine buying a new shelf but not being able to put your old books on it. This is similar.

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Ignoring for a moment that in this analogy you would still need different shelves for different brands of books*, but at least not multiple shelves for books from the same brand.

*Except for PC, but there you have no more actual game ownership most of the time.

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Except I bought the new shelf to hold new things. My old shelf still works and can hold the old books. I’m also less intersted in the old books because I’ve already spent plenty of time with them. I’ll take them out every ounce in a while and when done put them back on the old shelf where they belong.

Or I buy new editions of the books that have been enhanced.

[naff]

why do you feel the need to tell people why you don't want something they do?

the dumbest nerd shit.

[Rahxephon91]

Because BC on consoles is stupid and a waste of time and money.

[naff]

ah yes, i forgot you are not just an apprentice plumber but an expert on bc technology in consoles

[Rahxephon91]

I mean you can just look at the history of both the Playstation and Xbox to come to that conclusion. No need to be an expert. Maybe, I don't know pay attention to the systems? It's almost as if the PS3 became cheaper when it dropped BC and the PS4 was super successful with the least amount of BC then any other Playstation.

[naff]

the original triple is a special case in that it had a specific chip in it for ps2 support.

the consolidation around x86 architecture and much stronger hardware makes this no longer necessary.

[Chooky]

yeah with older systems they already have working emulators. even if there are issues with getting games to run off discs, i don't see why they couldn't put in some extra legwork to let us play ps1 and 2 games we digitally purchased for ps3.

there's clearly a demand for older games, as we can see any time a classic gets rereleased. there's no reason why we should let old games disappear, and i'm sure companies will start wanting something easier than having to port their big titles every 5-10 years.

[Rahxephon91]

No one doubts that PS4 and Xbox One titles won't be BC though. Anything before that is a pointless pipe dream.  QA costs, rectification costs, development costs, and hardware costs centered around BC be it hardware, emulation, and so on is usually why those things peter out even when they are tried. And honestly why would you want it?  You want the PS5 to brute force emulation of PS3 titles even though that would probably take a lot of effort? Why so you can run Dead Space 2 at 30FPS? Play it on PC or desire a hopefully better effort remaster. You want PS2 and PS1 games blown up on your big 4k tv with maybe some sort of smoothing filter? Thats disgusting. There are much better ways to present those titles then whatever Sony's in house answer would be. PS4 titles sure, but even then the ceiling for what a PS5 would do for them is probably pretty low.  Yeah it would be convenient and nice to put my copy of Horizon or Resident Evil 2 in my PS5. Sure. Just like it was nice to install Lost Odyssey on my One X only to wish I could do more to it then whatever the baseline additions a One X does in emulation.

[naff]

i agree re: software emu for PS3, but no-one here was really gunning for that? there's been enough work on psx/2 bc on x86 platforms i would like to see it as a standard inclusion. ps3 architecture was so fucking weird, i would never wish for proper emulation of that shite. would be hilarious if it wasn't compatible with ps4 titles.

it's not about what ps5 could do for the games, it's about software people like being playable on hardware that's supported and lowering barrier to entry for the classics. gaming is no longer some niche shit for people that are proud of their console collection and separate crt for the classics. emulation on pc, or buying old consoles and 2nd hand copies of old games is not ideal imo. i love that emu on pc will also be a thing, but i think platform holders have a duty, where reasonable (again, fully agree ps3 emu is not reasonable but i didn't think that was the discussion) to support legacy software.

[Rahxephon91]

I’m so dumb and yet you basically said nothing counter to what I said. You wouldn’t care about BC if you didn’t have a broken PS4. You don’t actually care about BC.


What’s dumb though would not be being a PS5 because you can’t play PS4 titles.

[Svejk]

See, I've had the opposite experience. Only system/console that's ever crapped out on me, was my 360.  Never going back to MS after that.  . I even had the OG phat PS3 with PS2 bc for years... Never had any issues with it getting hot or anything.  Only sold it because my boss told me how much they were going for on eBay at the time. 

[Huff]

What’s dum is playing vidya at all

Find a real hobby like shooting guns ya nerds

[Huff]

Will buy in 2022 for 199

[naff]

will borrow off a friend, play a few of the games and feel like i got my fill in 2022

[benjipwns]

This is my canon for that devkit: Sony found the main Alienware designer from like 2002 or whatever and gave him a bunch of network switches and told him to make it look "sweet" while mentioning that half of it had to be vents for the heat or it'd melt through the table

[EchoRin]

The dev kit sort of reminds me of that failed Phantom console.

[Joe Molotov]

The built-in cup holder is a nice touch.

[kingv]

Will it hold a monster?

[nachobro]

yes, a monster hog