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[Ghoul]

Some serious chudding going on in this thread

Moar

Insomnia again. Third time this week

Would you say "sooo tired...."

[TVC15]

Not really tired, that’s the problem. I will be by the time I get to work though.

[Rman]

Is there a single fucking regular poster on that site who isn't an emotionally and mentally stunted degenerate drama queen? It's a fucking message board you fucking losers. Close the tab if you feel "threatened" by pixels on screen. How do these mouth breathers manage to do ANYTHING in the real world?

This is what happens when all your social interaction comes from a message board.

You are supposed to get social support from people face to face, family, friends, counselors, and so on. Not mouth breathers online who have no social graces at all. We evolved in very close knit groups. The internet is not the place for the empathy and real community many of the posters want. Even an apparently SAFE space like ERA sucks for that, ironically so.

These dudes need to get a therapist. Join meetups. Get the fuck out of their rooms and engage with the real world.

It’s not surprising many don’t get well. They piss away all their time in these fake communities.

[Don Rumata]

[skullstorm]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-need-to-have-a-discussion-about-how-members-treat-other-members-on-this-site-and-among-other-issues.154572/

So I'd been mulling about bringing up this subject because I am absolutely not the person to really be able to express myself easily, but I think we really need to have a center focused discussion about this.

We most recently just had an issue that occurred in the Trans Awareness Week and the LGBT Issues Moderation threads, which covered aspects of the issue that I'm going to be discussing in this thread, because I feel it's incredibly important. And I absolutely think there are more significant problems on this board that need to be addressed further that both relate to those issues, as well as outside of them as well.

Before I start, I need to explain something:

I am an individual who has a number of disabilities that relate to a combination of mental health, as well as mental developmental problems. Some of these include:

- Inability to quickly process thoughts and understanding said information and communication given to me.
- Inability to properly articulate what I want to say both in a text and vocal conversation. The latter is significantly worse than the former, but I absolutely do struggle to be able to communicate easily. As a result, I cannot easily and properly explain things as a result, especially in instances of heavy and emotional distress.
- I do not understand and cannot properly process spacial relation issues, which creates problems when I'm given directions on how to get to a place or what I do (I often end up going left instead of right, for instance). It also affected my ability to properly delve into aspect of Geometry, which I at the time, didn't understand why these particular things were giving me issues.
- Emotionally, I'm underdeveloped from the rest of my peers and as a result, it does make things more difficult for me to handle.
- I have anxiety, panic attack disorders, constant heart palpitations, and I both shut down and break down easily under stress. Because of this, I am disabled, on disability, and attempts to try to put me in the work force have not been successful. I am 30 years old, have practically no college experience, and never worked properly either.
- For many of my issues, I am attending and seeing multiple people at a local mental health clinic, but it's a life long issue for me and I do not see myself improving. It's more just trying to cope with what I do have at this point and trying to deal with it the best I can.

And there's more issues I can get into.

As to why this relates to what I'm about to discuss, awhile back after I had a bad experience on Grindr, I opened a thread to vent. The result? Immediately an automatic assumptions, misunderstanding what I was saying, and it got to the point that I do not believe that the topic warranted further discussion. The topic can be read here.

What happened is I did not properly explain what happened, I was under distress, and I was not able to communicate properly. What ultimately happened was during the beginning of the conversation, I apologized to the user I had not updated my profile image in a bit, I sent him what I had at the start of the conversation, we communicated and made sure everything was okay from the get go, and somehow the user not long after that made some of those comments. Ultimately, it's no big deal in the end and I just learn from it and move on.

The topic was another matter. I was called out for "Cat fishing", and it resulted in a user bumping the thread in another topic which suggested it heavily implied to be me given the wording. To add onto this, there were comments intentionally fat shaming me, and among other issues in the said thread.

Another thread that I had opened up, regarding a trending topic on Twitter and I asked users how their High School experience was, a individual posted the following text:

From the sounds of it maybe a school that could better deal w/ your behavioral issues might have done the trick, doesn’t seem like that school was working out for you.

I literally responded to the user to clarify, but they ignored my post and I can only imagine from that they were automatically assuming the worst about me and making said comment.

In another thread, after I brought up my experience on Tinder as a whole (which was a mixture, positive and negative, I think we all had that), individuals proceeded to try and "Call me out", including saying the reason they stopped talking to me was because I got caught "cat fishing", and then when I tried to explain my situation how I struggle to communicate, individual proceeded to say that I should google communication guides and stuff like that and practice and it didn't seem to matter at that point what I had to say.

For reference: Once I became aware of my communication issues, I had to learn how to communicate (took me over a year and I was still practicing since about 2003 or so), but I feel that as if I've hit a brick wall on this and I think I'm at my limit. Even my doctor told me not to over think it as this point and it's okay if I can't easily say what I have to.

These are issues that I personally experience and I feel are minor probably compared to some users, but I feel this is still worth mentioning. This is not okay and it makes me, a person with a number of issues as is, uncomfortable here.

However, we have had issues with some other topics, which I had minimal participation in, such as some of the Gym topics, in how they can be incredibly toxic in nature, and honestly: overly condescending.

Most recent topic comes to mind is this one, both in the OPs title, text, and the poll options. I often people see them post this in threads and it really bugs me as a user that I at first thought was a joke, but this topic seems to serve otherwise, including the responses feel kinda unwelcoming. There was also a topic I participated that also felt incredibly toxic and judgmental, and as a person who struggles to deal with self-esteem issues on top of what I detailed, this only made me feel worse seeing comments like this. Users did call some of this out, but doesn't feel it made an impact.

Now, this isn't intended to be a call out to individual users (and I realize it's hard not to discuss this without bringing up specific topics or posts, so I apologize for this), because I don't think it's specifically one or two people, but the fact many users are not being held accountable by some of the behavior replicated.

I do believe my personal issues, arguably are probably minor, but as someone who has to deal with miscommunications on a day-to-day basis, difficulty explaining myself, and then I feel people automatically assuming the worst, only makes these topics more difficult to post in these.

I've heard from users how uncomfortable they feel posting in Dating, Gym/Fitness threads, and among other ones, as well as some of the comments I've seen with people dealing with mental health issues and disabilities, is frustrating.

Not to mention, we've had threads asking for simple accessibility options, threads about possible issues with strobing/flashing that could cause seizures, many of these are ignored and buried quickly, or the topics become incredibly toxic that there is no conversation to be had.

We really need to talk about all these issues. I'm trying my best on this forum, and I realize a lot of times, I mess up, I try to explain myself better, and now I feel as if I ever want to post in a dating or relationship related thread, users will be quick to point out the thread above, without adding context, or I'll also be handwaved about my communication issues.

I should NOT feel this way about a forum that prides itself is making users feel safe. And I'm sure more users feel this way.

So really, we need to talk about this. How can we change this? How can this be addressed? How can the Admin/Mods make this safer? Because as it stands, I just simply do not feel safe on this forum in a majority of topics. I try and I keep posting, but I always feel I'm this close to somehow making a mistake and it just following me wherever I post.

This needs to be addressed.

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Not as good as the ultimate:

I know this shit by heart I've heard it so many times

Going to be singing it to myself the rest of the day again now

[Risible]

Is there a single fucking regular poster on that site who isn't an emotionally and mentally stunted degenerate drama queen? It's a fucking message board you fucking losers. Close the tab if you feel "threatened" by pixels on screen. How do these mouth breathers manage to do ANYTHING in the real world?

No, they don't. They are all "disabled" and leeching off society or their parents. It's clearly evidenced by the amount of time they put into the forum. As an adult who works I have actual real world shit to do which is why I have so few posts on here and Era, I lurk because frankly who has the time (never mind the desire) to devote to that?  Era is grifter central, a bunch of fucking 30 year old children that know nothing about reality. This recent incident only served to highlight how fucking insane that place has become.

It's been a long slow sad ride watching GAF go from a cool place to read about vidja games to a dystopian fascist left wing insane asylum.

[BIONIC]

I need someone to talk to

 

Fuck off

[Clockwork5]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/shenmue-iii-ot-our-destiny-since-ancient-times.153650/page-31#post-26707223

Well, at least you're not the only one suffering. My code was accepted, but I still didn't get any of the in-game rewards and I backed at the $800 tier.

LUL

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/1197680848025329664

  NOT FUNNY

It's like they don't even know about the traumatic events of the last week on ResetERA.com.

[benjipwns]

They know what they were doing.

[Clockwork5]

On today of all days.

[Propagandhim]

On safe awareness day of all fuck off days

[BIONIC]

You guys didn’t post one of the best that doesn’t need any edits:



“Adults can not understand CHILDREN LEVEL IDEAS ” should be the new ree tag line.

[porkbun]

Is there a single fucking regular poster on that site who isn't an emotionally and mentally stunted degenerate drama queen? It's a fucking message board you fucking losers. Close the tab if you feel "threatened" by pixels on screen. How do these mouth breathers manage to do ANYTHING in the real world?

I am 30 years old, have practically no college experience, and never worked properly either.

There's your answer right there.  They don't manage to do anything.  Era is a case of the inmates running the asylum.

[maninthemirror]

Reality is most of era are dysfunctional adults in real life. The ratio of mental illness in the population has to be 1 in 20. The normal folks are usually banned because they react to dysfunctional thinking as if it’s normal and the dysfunctional mods with mental issues get triggered instantly

[ToxicAdam]

That's why I don't really engage with making fun of people on there. It feels weird to pick on people that are clearly mentally ill (or so narcissistic that they are delusional and easily confused with mentally ill people).

[BIONIC]

   

[Cerveza mas fina]

That's why I don't really engage with making fun of people on there. It feels weird to pick on people that are clearly mentally ill (or so narcissistic that they are delusional and easily confused with mentally ill people).

Sure but if you put zany opinions out there for all to read...

[BIONIC]

[skullstorm]

I know absolutely nothing about modern kiddie films. One time I was looking for a gift for my nephew and saw a Frozen coloring book with Elsa and that other chick on the cover in a very romantic-looking embrace and thought huh, so they are a couple. Later I was told they are sisters and googling what the fuck was up with that cover I found out about the incest shippers for Frozen and welp, I guess one of them got their fan art on a children's coloring book cover. Good thing I didn't flip through the pages 

[benjipwns]

User warned: antagonising another member

Couldn't hit ignore thread quickly enough.

Actually you were right. Kirblar is posting there now.

User banned (1 day): antagonising another member, cross-thread drama

Yeah, he was there from before I ignored. Best sign to quarantine the thread.

I'm telling you guys, Kirblar has something on Cerium from the Clinton campaign days.

[benjipwns]

meanwhile in video games:

User Warned: Inflammatory generalizations

I love how pointing out that this game it totally predatory is apparently "shit posting" and worthy of warnings. Star Citizen is a pseudo cult/religion at this point, full of people and sharks who apparently think that throwing money at developers for over a decade will release some sort of final game that will end all games and give life purpose and meaning. There is nothing normal about how this game is financed, and the fact that this game can be in perpetual development and continually have private events where people pay real money to get access to pay even more money to buy digital ships, is like borderline Scientology E-metering-esque.

This game represents everything gross and wrong with capitalism, gaming, and digital economies. Even if aspects of the tech are interesting, none of these practices are worth defending.

User Warned: Trolling
Holy
Fucking
Shit

This was the first I've ever seen of the game - no videos, screenshots, previews, threads, nothing - totally blank slate.

I cannot believe this is an actual thing. It's quite possibly the stupidest game I've seen in years. People are seriously calling this a "GOTY"? What in the ever-living fuck is going on here? It's made by the same person who created MSG? Is this some kind of "emperor has no clothes" moment? Am I taking crazy pills?

This. Video. Is. Intentionally. Playing. Badly. For. Lols.

It is NOT honest representation.

You based your entire opinion of something you know nothing about on one short video which if not being outright disingenuous is purposefully framing things as poorly as possible for laughs. So you tell us. To quote someone who is taking crazy pills, Holy Fucking Shit.

You're basing your first impressions on a Dunkey video?

If you want to get an actual idea of the game then watch an actual review instead of a meme YouTuber.

Little dissapointed in dunk on this one. Its kinda tantamount to playing a shooter with a high dpi gaming mouse and the sensitivity maxed, then calling it 'hard to aim'. Certainly a divisive game, but fighting against the game's systems and blaming the game doesn't make great games criticism.

It's also most certainly walking the line between "done for laughs" and "serious critique", but you can tell dunkey dislikes the game, and the footage on display just shows someone, intentionally or not, refusing to play within the game's constraints.

Doesn't change the fact the footage is misleading, and some people ITT are taking it as honest representation.

The video is pure hyperbole for entertainment. If you think otherwise just lol

At this point, the game factually scored pretty well.

Reading this thread its pretty clear how disingenuous (or sadder, blind) some are being...
...Its incredible actually. I figured this tomfoolery would have ended when the game came out but here we are. lmaooooo

If you've not played it, it's impossible to tell if you'll think it elevates beyond that. Some of us thought the same as you, and now consider it 10/10 GotY/GotG.

The footage has some jokes but isn't *that* misleading.

Yes it is.

You have like, a hundred posts in this thread. That's defensiveness

No mate, I'm discussing a game I'm passionate about. Me breaking down why you made incorrect statements is not that. You're the only one being defensive out of the two of us.

The fact you cannot even counter and rush to ad hominem says it all.

megalowho please don't creep into my DMs with insults mate, thank you.

Sorry! Didn't want to derail. I'll post it here.

You keep editing your posts to add more put downs and snark lol. You win! Maybe step away for a bit?

EDIT: not worth carrying this on, already covered it all. Anyone is free to read why your nonsense is just that. <3

Hes been doing the same thing in the OT and been called out for it there as well. Its incredibly petty.

Actually, fuck it... I'm out. This thread has been wild, enjoy!

Dunkey misrepresenting some stuff about a game, what's new? He may be right about some stuff, but I just can't find him funny.

Who he’s fooling here? He made equality horrible video about the last guardian, I think that he genuinely doesn’t get these type of games.

It’s not so funny when his fans use his videos to form their opinions about certain games

27 pages for this dunkey video

spoiler (click to show/hide)

astro will come back to it for another ten pages if people keep posting how they liked the video

[close]

[Hermit]

astro is legit one of the biggest losers on that forum

[thisismyusername]

poliera is the more sane Democrats

It is relative. Specifically they mock the bernie sanders media bias conspiracy.

 

[Great Rumbler]

astro is legit one of the biggest losers on that forum

Oh? Congrats to him for taking off all that weight.

[TVC15]

Reality is most of era are dysfunctional adults in real life. The ratio of mental illness in the population has to be 1 in 20. The normal folks are usually banned because they react to dysfunctional thinking as if it’s normal and the dysfunctional mods with mental issues get triggered instantly

I’m a fucking walking mental catastrophe and I still manage to mostly function. Even if these people have issues, they’ve completely bought into the victim/woe is me mentality. A doctor wrote their problem down so it’s their new shield from putting effort into shit.

[benjipwns]

I know this shit by heart I've heard it so many times

Going to be singing it to myself the rest of the day again now

that woman, number one, is uggllyyyy

[paprikastaude]

Is there a single fucking regular poster on that site who isn't an emotionally and mentally stunted degenerate drama queen? It's a fucking message board you fucking losers. Close the tab if you feel "threatened" by pixels on screen. How do these mouth breathers manage to do ANYTHING in the real world?

They most certainly don't manage anything. That's why they act as if subpar Iron Man stories or videogame skirts are issues of life and death. Going to the cinema for shitty Disney flicks is probably most activity they get out of a month. So they either have to accept that they are useless manbabies, or pretend that the only thing they do - which is nothing - makes them progressive superstars of a a fantasized revolution.

[Averon]

It doesn't help that these same people cheer and advocate isolating themselves and others from their family and friends for the pettiest of reasons. How many threads have they had bragging about how they gladly cut off family and friends because of political disagreements? They cheer and encourage others to do the same just so they can be ideologically "pure". Any wrong think in their lives needs to excised, even if it makes them lonely outcasts. That's not healthy at all. All that does is make you into inept social outcasts that cannot understand basic human interaction, so you cling on irrelevant shit like a forum for validation and emotional support when you should be getting that from your friends and your family.

[Transhuman]

I feel like people are bodyshaming Alex Jones when you make fun of how weird he looks

[Transhuman]

It doesn't help that these same people cheer and advocate isolating themselves and others from their family and friends for the pettiest of reasons. How many threads have they had bragging about how they gladly cut off family and friends because of political disagreements? They cheer and encourage others to do the same just so they can be ideologically "pure". Any wrong think in their lives needs to excised, even if it makes them lonely outcasts. That's not healthy at all. All that does is make you into inept social outcasts that cannot understand basic human interaction, so you cling on irrelevant shit like a forum for validation and emotional support when you should be getting that from your friends and your family.

Fuck that Lilo and Stich bullshit, okay? Family aint shit, and if they piss you off, fuck em. I mean my parents are very stupid people, but I don't think they are "vote for Trump" level stupid. I guess i'll never have to know.

If they voted for Trump I wouldn't want to have to waste my life listening to them blithe on. You know what else is on at Christmas? Fucking parties and shit. So even if you do love them, why the fuck would you want to see them?

[nachobro]

All that does is make you into inept social outcasts that cannot understand basic human interaction

Fuck that Lilo and Stich bullshit, okay? Family aint shit, and if they piss you off, fuck em. I mean my parents are very stupid people, but I don't think they are "vote for Trump" level stupid. I guess i'll never have to know.

checks out

[james]

All,

I would like to take this opportunity to come out as straight. Please respect my gender identity and address any and all questions about this matter to shosta.

[Mr Gilhaney]

I feel like people are bodyshaming Alex Jones when you make fun of how weird he looks

makes me sick

[Hermit]

All,

I would like to take this opportunity to come out as straight. Please respect my gender identity and address any and all questions about this matter to shosta.

very brave of you, james

 

[TVC15]

I feel like people are bodyshaming Alex Jones when you make fun of how weird he looks

It's not body shaming if you're making fun of a shirtless person that doesn't have the bod to pull it off. It's a public service. It's perfectly fine to chastise someone if it's for the greater good.

[TVC15]

It doesn't help that these same people cheer and advocate isolating themselves and others from their family and friends for the pettiest of reasons. How many threads have they had bragging about how they gladly cut off family and friends because of political disagreements? They cheer and encourage others to do the same just so they can be ideologically "pure". Any wrong think in their lives needs to excised, even if it makes them lonely outcasts. That's not healthy at all. All that does is make you into inept social outcasts that cannot understand basic human interaction, so you cling on irrelevant shit like a forum for validation and emotional support when you should be getting that from your friends and your family.

Fuck that Lilo and Stich bullshit, okay? Family aint shit, and if they piss you off, fuck em. I mean my parents are very stupid people, but I don't think they are "vote for Trump" level stupid. I guess i'll never have to know.

If they voted for Trump I wouldn't want to have to waste my life listening to them blithe on. You know what else is on at Christmas? Fucking parties and shit. So even if you do love them, why the fuck would you want to see them?

Ah, the classic leftist turning against the family unit. Couldn't be more predictable if it were a recipe for scrambled eggs.

[jorma]

I feel like people are bodyshaming Alex Jones when you make fun of how weird he looks

It's not body shaming if you're making fun of a shirtless person that doesn't have the bod to pull it off. It's a public service. It's perfectly fine to chastise someone if it's for the greater good.

yeah, dude thinks he is Putin on the ritz, embarrassing really.

[james]

All,

I would like to take this opportunity to come out as straight. Please respect my gender identity and address any and all questions about this matter to shosta.

very brave of you, james

 

Thank you for the support, glad to see this forum has allies

[team filler]

Ree is going to end up with just people with mental issues.

an entire forum of Ts 

[demi]

I feel like people are bodyshaming Alex Jones when you make fun of how weird he looks

Lowkey Alex Jones could get it. Shame about all the crazy gay frog juice he's drinking

[Risible]

I feel like people are bodyshaming Alex Jones when you make fun of how weird he looks

Lowkey Alex Jones could get it. Shame about all the crazy gay frog juice he's drinking

One of my favorite things about the Bore is that as a fat guy Demi's posts always make me feel better.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

omg at her face of disgust

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[Switters]

astro is legit one of the biggest losers on that forum

I would argue that Astro is one of the most entertaining posters, and is also one of the world's biggest cuuuuuuuuuuuunnttts.

He makes cunt posts that push people's cunt buttons and then they try to out cunt him and he puts them on ignore.

It's a beautiful cycle that never gets old.

[BIONIC]

Peak Alex Jones

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

astro is legit one of the biggest losers on that forum

I would argue that Astro is one of the most entertaining posters, and is also one of the world's biggest cuuuuuuuuuuuunnttts.

He makes cunt posts that push people's cunt buttons and then they try to out cunt him and he puts them on ignore.

It's a beautiful cycle that never gets old.

sadly his one man stand against a chain wielding nazi never did make the news

[Transhuman]

Ah, the classic leftist turning against the family unit. Couldn't be more predictable if it were a recipe for scrambled eggs.

There's plenty of militant weirdos who ditch their parents on all points of the political spectrum.

"Waaaahh i'm ditching my parents because they eat animal flesh"

"Waaaaah i'm ditching my parents because the don't want me around the family with my pistols, even though it's my right as an American."

[TVC15]

Sounds like people willing to welcome authoritarianism into their lives before it arrives. Not people to consider. Little moleskines they have filled with their draft dream lil red book.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/trailer-for-new-adaptation-of-jane-austens-novel-emma-2020-anya-taylor-joy-and-bill-nighy.154678/

yeah, but is it going to have the emotional resonance of Tony Stark discovering that Bucky Barnes killed his father?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

But this is a discussion board! It isn’t tumblr or LiveJournal. The mission statement even calls out discussing various topics as being the point of the place, not simply listening to someone who wants support via absolute understanding and zero criticism of their situation. That is what a therapist is for.

These things can co-exist. Just because your criticisms aren’t wanted in one thread doesn’t mean you are not allowed to criticize anything ever throughout the whole website. You should just recognize that there are times when what you have to say is unwarranted or unneeded. It’s okay to not say anything sometimes.

...and if the logical endpoint of that thought is that the website is filled entirely with people that don't want to hear any criticism?

[Propagandhim]

But this is a discussion board! It isn’t tumblr or LiveJournal. The mission statement even calls out discussing various topics as being the point of the place, not simply listening to someone who wants support via absolute understanding and zero criticism of their situation. That is what a therapist is for.

These things can co-exist. Just because your criticisms aren’t wanted in one thread doesn’t mean you are not allowed to criticize anything ever throughout the whole website. You should just recognize that there are times when what you have to say is unwarranted or unneeded. It’s okay to not say anything sometimes.

...and if the logical endpoint of that thought is that the website is filled entirely with people that don't want to hear any criticism?

Then max safety is achieved?

[Leadbelly]

Peak Alex Jones

Alex Jones is awesome, you just need to get on his wavelength. I suggest getting some super strong weed and get absolutely blasted. You can then tune into his frequency.

[jorma]

Peak Alex Jones

Alex Jones is awesome, you just need to get on his wavelength. I suggest getting some super strong weed and get absolutely blasted. You can then tune into his frequency.

meh, i smoke weed to tune out of those frequencies

[demi]

One of my favorite things about the Bore is that as a fat guy Demi's posts always make me feel better.

On a sinking ship filled with women and children, I would make sure you were first on board the lifeboat

[FStop7]

Can't wait for the Era stories of our brave resisters smashing gravy boats over their racist grandma's heads in the name of progressive politics

[Transhuman]

But this is a discussion board! It isn’t tumblr or LiveJournal. The mission statement even calls out discussing various topics as being the point of the place, not simply listening to someone who wants support via absolute understanding and zero criticism of their situation. That is what a therapist is for.

These things can co-exist. Just because your criticisms aren’t wanted in one thread doesn’t mean you are not allowed to criticize anything ever throughout the whole website. You should just recognize that there are times when what you have to say is unwarranted or unneeded. It’s okay to not say anything sometimes.

...and if the logical endpoint of that thought is that the website is filled entirely with people that don't want to hear any criticism?

Your thoughts on Jussie Smollett's innocence are unwarranted and unneeded

Your thoughts on Hillary Clinton's suitability to political office are unwarranted and unneeded

Your thoughts on Etika...

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The only thing I don't like about Death Stranding is that maybe Hideo Kojima is too much of a genius, plz mods, no criticism

[Nintex]

I'm glad more and more people are appreciating the art of Alex Jones.
Decades from now people will look back at his work as a stroke of genius. Much like Mozart and The Beatles.

[OnlyRegret]

Was it Amber Frost with that "not getting past rebelling against your parents phase" point? Because it really does seem to apply very much so to people.

[OnlyRegret]