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They are not the same, and I'm getting real tired of people using victims stories as bludgeons for their dishonesty. Each story has different context, different situations and above all...different evidence. STOP COMPARING THE TWO.It takes real sociopathy to use MeToo as a weapon to bully, debase and defame others. The whole point of MeToo was to listen to women when they told the stories(we listened to Reade) investigate their stories (that too happened) and when able hold those accountable (We currently cannot, as the standard for a he said/she said crime is hard to pass sadly, it's the nature of such crimes). You say you think there's enough there to convict/do something about Biden. I say that's not how this works, nor should it.I gave an example in Poliera, and I'll use it here again."The lesson of MeToo was to believe when woman made accusations, not laugh them off. It was to investigate and corroborate stories and information. Finally, it was to hold those found guilty accountable. No one signed off on Spanish Inquisitions. Because what we have now is not enough clearly for the public at large. That is the unfortunate nature of such personal crimes. When it is one persons word against another you need as much evidence and corroboration as possible. doesn't mean I don't believe her allegation. It means I don't have enough to take action.For example, in a less serious crime let's say your son or daughter has a favorite toy. Let's say they come up to you and say another kid stole it. What do you do?Me? I believe my child, but I'm not going to go over and punch the other kid in the face; nor am I going to angrily go over to his home and bust the door down demanding penance for their crime. I'm going to investigate, I'm going to figure out the whole story and if I can prove that kid did it well then sir we're going to have problems. If I can't prove it? If I never even see said toy with kid? What kind of asshole would I look like if I came storming into their home making demands and threatening them? Calling their child a thief and bastard? Instead I might have a polite conversation with their parents.Now of course, stealing a toy and rape are not equivalent. I'm merely trying to point out why doesn't mean I don't not believe Reade. It simply means I personally need more info to sign off on certain actions. I was already going to hold Biden accountable to not being so goddamn touchy, now no matter what happens further I will be watching on this front harsher.This also ties back to Ford because I increasingly see people use it as an example of partisanship. We all demanded to hear her out first, investigate and corroborate. And once they did(and the GOP not only tried to not investigate but outright sabotage it) then we made demands. You are not seeing us tell Reade to go away(ignore very online twitter folks). We saw this allegation come out and said "lets wait and see" and we did.Again, in a perfect world we wouldn't have this conversation. I don't like Biden. I don't like his touchy behavior or old style chauvinism or out of touch ways let alone his "come together politics". What I do recognize is we can't pull the trigger on this without the voters and public on board. They are clearly not on board(because there isn't enough). "I understand the pain of victims, and I won't tell them what to do, think or feel. I will simply tell them the stakes, who we're up against and the fact that Biden can be held accountable. You do what you need to do; I will not sit here and watch people use MeToo as a political weapon. These women were victims, and each of their stories is their own; to use one womans accusations against another for any reason is shameful. And that includes comparing them as equal.Shame on any of you using this as a weapon, both against greater movements and posters on this board.Lost on all of us, is the fact that we take her story as 100% truth, she will never get justice now. We politicized it, we used it as a bludgeon to argue for Bernie as the nom and we used it as a cudgel to accuse the dems as not caring about victims.Absolute shame.
There's absolutely no way that place lasts until the GE
moderation should have been trained on what to look for when the subject is as sensitive as sexual assault and harassment.
Just to be clear, criticism of the moderation team or assumptions as to why moderation is doing X or Y isn’t bullying. And anyone who understands power dynamics can attest to that. You can literally ban us.
I guess another thing is like, and I get things are crazy in the world right now, but going back to participation why is there only one mod in here fielding concerns from like 100 people? It's not going to work, people are just going to feel ignored, and it's not really fair to put that all on one person. Is it a time zone thing, or like people at work? I don't know but like, if threads like this are going to be open it's just a lot of users talking to each other basically but not really having much answered, one mod can't conceivably respond to everyone.
Just as a personal matter, what you and RedMercury are suggesting about a forum issues discussion board sounds like it could be interesting... or insanely toxic. It'd have to be carefully done. I can talk to the rest of the team about it, but it's hard to shake the feeling sometimes that we'd have to spend an incredibly outsized amount of time and effort moderating it and it'd still be a toxic hellhole.And you're right, I'm not referring to people taking issue with things we've done as bullying or hostility. I'm mostly referring to people twisting words to say that we're doing something we're not, or not doing something we are. Or tossing back a team members helping hand, or just telling us to go fuck ourselves, etc. etc. This is part of the fear with a forum discussion section/thread as well.Moderation can always be better. It's gotten harder since the pandemic, though. I don't expect anybody to be fully ameliorated by that, mind. Just explaining the reality of it. Lotta days we only have 2-3 people on at a time, and if a report falls outside of their areas of expertise, well, stuff can sit. We try not to let it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/we-need-to-have-a-talk-on-how-we-treat-sexual-assault-victims-on-this-site.181172/post-31627641POWER DYNAMICS.Quotemoderation should have been trained on what to look for when the subject is as sensitive as sexual assault and harassment.
These era meltdowns are the only thing that can give ole Benji a chubby anymore. Bless.
Red Mercury's strategy is to suggest enough arduous strategies to heeding the concerns of the community, like mandatory tri-weekly meeting threads, that the mods will just be like, "FUCK IT, YOU DO IT IF YOU'RE SO SMART."
I beg to differ and I've said my peace.
Quote from: BIONIC on April 17, 2020, 08:21:03 PMThese era meltdowns are the only thing that can give ole Benji a chubby anymore. Bless.THIS IS BULLYING AND NOT TRUE
QuoteJust look at his post count and sign up day. You should know exactly what those account as used for.
Just look at his post count and sign up day. You should know exactly what those account as used for.
Wait, is the ability to sense an assault victim through text the same ability they use to determine if someone is too intoxicated to drive?
...my assumption was that the mod team was stretched thin mostly because a lot more people were posting due to not being at their workplace. I guess it does track that some staff - especially those with families - were unable to be available as much instead. But if it’s to that point, no wonder people are getting away with shit for entire days before someone catches on. I’m sympathetic and it’s obviously a hard thing to handle, but it’s not going to end well if more situations like this keep happening as a result.
The best part is that they can't ban KetKat and she knows it.
Quote from: Propagandhim on April 17, 2020, 08:05:12 PMThe best part is that they can't ban KetKat and she knows it.They could if they were smart enough to realize how scummy she is and all the people supporting her probably would be better off from RE. But they are idiots so they are probably going to give her admin status.
Quote from: Boredfrom on April 17, 2020, 08:40:26 PMQuote from: Propagandhim on April 17, 2020, 08:05:12 PMThe best part is that they can't ban KetKat and she knows it.They could if they were smart enough to realize how scummy she is and all the people supporting her probably would be better off from RE. But they are idiots so they are probably going to give her admin status.Poodles admitted that the mods are terrified. They're not gonna do shit.
That’s still not bullying...because you have the moderation tools and you are an in-group with the power to make it stop.Yes, it’s hurtful to be misunderstood. And there will always be someone who’s aggressive or mean, or hurl accusations to moderation as a group (personal insults are a different beast). But that’s ALWAYS going to happen. The only thing you can do is be transparent, COMMUNICATE, and NOT let situations fester.At least then you can reference a past trajectory of good work to fall back on. At the moment, no one knows what’s going on. No one knows why moderation is seemingly acting different.There’s absolutely no reason to have similar conversations every few months, because issues aren’t being addressed properly.
No one knows why moderation is seemingly acting different.
Quote from: Propagandhim on April 17, 2020, 08:42:35 PMQuote from: Boredfrom on April 17, 2020, 08:40:26 PMQuote from: Propagandhim on April 17, 2020, 08:05:12 PMThe best part is that they can't ban KetKat and she knows it.They could if they were smart enough to realize how scummy she is and all the people supporting her probably would be better off from RE. But they are idiots so they are probably going to give her admin status.Poodles admitted that the mods are terrified. They're not gonna do shit. Is KetKat a Gamergator?
Quote from: Boredfrom on April 17, 2020, 08:45:44 PMQuote from: Propagandhim on April 17, 2020, 08:42:35 PMQuote from: Boredfrom on April 17, 2020, 08:40:26 PMQuote from: Propagandhim on April 17, 2020, 08:05:12 PMThe best part is that they can't ban KetKat and she knows it.They could if they were smart enough to realize how scummy she is and all the people supporting her probably would be better off from RE. But they are idiots so they are probably going to give her admin status.Poodles admitted that the mods are terrified. They're not gonna do shit. Is KetKat a Gamergator?Whatever the equivalent is? Didn't she admit to doxx the moderation staff some time ago?
User Banned (1 Month): Inflammatory Generalizations In a Sensitive Thread
Cerium could've stopped the fucking insane asylum the board has become long before it got to this level of hysteria and done so on day one of the sites existence. Said that THIS is how things will go here and that's that.But all he wanted to do was make some easy cash and quickly handed the reins to the inmates.
Just want to address this, mods can be subject to some real vile shit. Especially with this site given there are sites dedicated to harassing and doxxing people here. I could send you messages I've received that were I in a bad place at the time would have been a real tipping point, and also things that have left me with permanent trauma, all because I wanted to be a volunteer internet janitor (like Volimar!). Mods don't have the power to stop comments before they are made, and once you've seen it the damage is done. That's not excusing that in this instance there is obviously a blind spot or practices that can be better addressed, and it has had an effect on some people's mental well-being, but the answer to that isn't throwing out the mental well-being of other people. We can find a solution to this where that doesn't have to happen or can be mitigated.
Quote from: ShutUp on April 17, 2020, 08:40:17 PMCerium could've stopped the fucking insane asylum the board has become long before it got to this level of hysteria and done so on day one of the sites existence. Said that THIS is how things will go here and that's that.But all he wanted to do was make some easy cash and quickly handed the reins to the inmates.no he's smartwhen the leader has a cult of personality and posts all the time that makes it easier for people to hate them and stage a coupif everyone ends up hating a particular mod, well, that's just one mod, surely the others can rein them in or replace them right, no need to migrate to a new forum
So any interaction with a white person comes with the caveat of emotional distance. I can co-exist and interact with you all on the basis of you're human beings like anyone else, and humans are fun to be around. But I do not relax around you all in the same why I relax around black people, or even other ethnic minorities in general. I don't talk about 95% of the things that affect me or interest me in my real life from a black perspective on ERA because this is an overwhelmingly white space, and you all either won't get where I'm coming from or will actively be hostile and offended about it so there's no point in me bothering (for example, check out my Need For Speed Heat topic). But I talk to black folks about it, even black folks outside of the US, and those same folks talk to me. No matter where we're from, we get it.
I'm kind of in-and-out right now due to real life obligations, but I do want to point out something here. Just because Ortix's post was ban worthy doesn't necessarily excuse the other posts for also breaking the rules. The posts that were banned alongside the staff post were all breaking a rule; some of them multiple rules. Things like telling someone to fuck off and calling them a rape apologist, or excessively swearing at our staff just because we haven't made a decision yet don't become acceptable just because it's directed at someone who's taking a ban themselves.
Since when is this true? First of all, it's not an exaggeration to call Ortix a rape apologist, he created multiple conspiracy theories to discredit a victim of sexual abuse for his own benefit. But mainly, since when is it true that people can't push back against someone saying horrific or bigoted things? If someone made a transphobic comment, like they have many times on this forum before, people tear into them all the time, none of those people are hit with bans because they have a very real and personal stake in the kind of comment being thrown out. And also because people who are throwing out bigotry or creating conspiracy theories about victims of sexual abuse should not be protected.I specifically remember when the change for "Fuck off" came as well because people talked about this as a major issue repeatedly at the start of this site's creation and it was changed within a few months and was allowed since then. Why is this situation different?
Hoooooly shit are you guys losing control of the ship
I don't know what to even say about the last couple pages. I can't believe things have come to this. Victims are the first ones cut loose in when it comes down to it as they are the least convenient to "manage". It's been spelled out to me lots of times and now it's open season if we're allowing victims to suffer for having the courage to defend themselves against scum low enough to target us in the first place. There is an endless stream of monsters within and outside the community that will get their shot in at us and this will ensure there will be almost none us left by the time Nov even arrives.
With all due respect: it seems like it was over 24 hours before Ortix’s post was handled. If you consider the other one that was linked, it was over a week. I understand that decisions take time even without the current extra strain on staff, but at some point people are naturally going to think that a decision was made, and that it was that the posts were acceptable.
Things like telling someone to fuck off and calling them a rape apologist
