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BisMarckie

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20100 on: July 06, 2020, 10:31:10 AM »
Let's hope this poll isn't anonymous to hold people accountable.

HaughtyFrank

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20101 on: July 06, 2020, 10:41:00 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/guys-do-you-pee-sitting-down-or-standing-up.242326/

those poll results :rofl

was waiting for this one

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Whats being a guy got to do with how one pisses?
Seems mild unintentional cisexism tbh...

 :delicious

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20102 on: July 06, 2020, 10:50:41 AM »
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"Guys" is a perfectly usable term for a group of people regardless of identification, come on.
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Many trans and NB folks, myself included, don't consider it to be ok.

You better say Hey penis-persons the next time :bolo

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« Reply #20103 on: July 06, 2020, 10:54:02 AM »
Drama in reee's "post your favorite perverted character design images" "Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream" thread:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-365#post-38799574

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I loved the game, think
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the killing of Joel
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was genius and Abby is a great character but I don't find her the least bit attractive with such a bulky broad frame and strong jawline.
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That’s a really bizarre statement to want to get out there... Another poster mentions that Abby is attractive, but because you personally don’t find her attractive, she’s not attractive?
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You de-lurked to come in this thread and say this? Really?
Quote from: JeloSWE
The original poster made a point of saying some people can't take a beautiful/attractive butch doing what she did. I just wanted get out a counter point that I liked the game and Abby but still not her looks. People dislike the game or the deed because of her looks might be true but not necessarily part of the equation.

Honestly there are so many strong opinions and reasons people hate on the game. I would probably have preferred a prettier face on Abby for one but I still think ND's design is the most fitting one for the story and character dynamics, they all look and feel so real. ND did many bold and daring choices and I found them to be thrilling. But I can't help to feel they toned down Elie's looks a tad bit from the first game. Joel is probably the most handsome looking character in the entire game but I found others to look more lifelike such as Mel, Owen, Isac, Dina and Jessie comes off as more natural looking.
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My dude, coming into this specific thread just to talk about how you didn't find a couple of TLOU's female characters as attractive as you would have preferred is, like, remarkably tone deaf.

There are 480329840302 others games out there with conventionally attractive women in them, you don't need to complain about one of the few games that designs its female characters like real people instead of supermodels, and you certainly don't need to be doing it in this thread of all places. Not to mention it being your first time even commenting here, and that's what you decide to open with? Telling another user they're wrong to call Abby attractive and how she and Ellie shoulda been prettier???
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You are right, my bad.

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I completely understand how you feel, I can emphasize with this viewpoint at times, I found Xenoblade 2 and Nier to be a bit distracting at first and didn't take them too seriously either, well Automata was freaking epic. I personally don't like anime beach episodes as it interrupts the story. I especially don't like submissive character without agency as is way too prevalent in many animes these days, there is nothing worse than a strong tsundere female lead that unexpectedly cracks after a while and becomes a submissive love interest for the protagonist. But while objectifying is terrible in real life and everyone deserves to be treated as person with respect. I can't really see the problem with blatantly using objectification or sex in games or anime to cater to a paying audience whether I like it or not. It's like freedom of expression and speech.
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Let's look at the threadtitle again together. Right now you are posting in a topic called "Why women criticise sexualised character designs", and your contribution is basically "I don't see a problem" and also "freedom of speech". Like, wtf? Objectification ingame normalizes it for real life and vice versa. It's a vicious cicle.
I'm pretty sure it is even explained rather well in the OP, where the problem lies.

With the Dead or Alive game as an example, Famassu explained very well how porn has a right to exist, that's not the issue. The paying audience can still have them.
But stop shoving this shit into everything, that exists. MGS5 or DMC5 are far away from porn as much as possible. Still they show naked female asses as if they were. They treat the women in their cast with no respect at all. This shit is hurtful and disappointing. And it is tiresome especially as a female gamer, who would like to have a strong and decent clothed woman once in a while.
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Can't you have a non agreeing discourse in this thread?
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You telling us what you find attractive and unattractive is not discourse nor have you actually discussed any of the points that have been raised in this thread other than saying you don't see a problem

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If you're gonna jump in outta nowhere with this galaxy brained shit, then I might as well jump in with mine.

I'm a straight dude and Abby is fucking gorgeous, and I'll fight to the death on top of this hill.


Nice to know that this thread about how developers like to reduce the essence of female characters entirely down to their appearances has devolved to this point, but I felt urged to provide my rebuttal.


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It seems like my post with "strong jaw" is being appropriated. I never said women with strong jaw lines shouldn't exist, that no one find them attractive, that there is some thing wrong with them. I simply stated what I find attractive as one voice in the world. Certainly all of you have things you don't find attractive that other do. It's not a statement what women should look like.

If you wan't to take my statement about the jaw line as some typical anit-woman opinion then what about this example: It's very common that women don't find men shorter than them selves attractive. Is it wrong to be a short man no. Is it something many women prefer yes.


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Dude, you've had SO MANY chances to just say "my bad" and learn from your experiences here, but instead you just keep grabbing bigger shovels.
Learn from my experiences? I have expressed a an opinion, I don't need to change unless being presented a convincing argument, I don't find a strong jaw lines attractive, there is nothing wrong with that. And this "fucking dude" (RecLib rude btw) shouldn't have posted in this thread in the first place as one should obviously agree with the opinions here or get out. I won't make any more posts unless answering a quote. Please go on without me.

"I'm a straight dude and Abby is fucking gorgeous, and I'll fight to the death on top of this hill."
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20104 on: July 06, 2020, 10:54:06 AM »
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If I go out somewhere, standing usually. If I am home or a friends house or somewhere relaxed and clean, sitting always.

Somewhere... relaxed? :lol

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20105 on: July 06, 2020, 11:00:27 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-367#post-38947756
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I was listenting to some tlou2 osts, and happened to look down and see a comment "remember when games were allowed to have hot women in them?"

(Image removed from quote.)

:umad
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20106 on: July 06, 2020, 11:06:38 AM »
Drama in reee's "post your favorite perverted character design images" "Why women criticise sexualised character designs |OT2| I have no pants and I must scream" thread:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-365#post-38799574
"I'm a straight dude and Abby is fucking gorgeous, and I'll fight to the death on top of this hill."

How ironic that sexualizing Abby is considered progressive. Maybe because they actually know that literally training your tits off isn't a hot look.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20107 on: July 06, 2020, 11:10:26 AM »
Liking feminine women is misogynistic.
Like masculine women is progressive.
Hmmm I wonder why.
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« Reply #20108 on: July 06, 2020, 11:14:15 AM »
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I have a confession about my initial reaction to Abby, because

SPOILER
I did a pretty good job at keeping myself in the dark about the game, aside from hearing there was a trans character. When I saw adult Abby, I thought she was the trans character, but that also didn't make any sense to me because she seemed TOO feminine, and I seriously doubted hormone therapy would have been available post-apocalypse. Even more confused when you get child Abby who who was also presenting as female. Then you meet Lev, and I felt like a gigantic asshole for just fucking assuming a buff woman must be the trans character. I was still loving her character, trans or not, but I clearly need to be better in some ways.

Felt like I needed to say something about it so I can hold myself accountable.

 :lol
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20109 on: July 06, 2020, 11:14:26 AM »
"Saying what you do and do not find attractive is not discourse"

It literally fucking is. Idiots.

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« Reply #20110 on: July 06, 2020, 11:16:11 AM »
I understand the point, but it would be cool to have a daughter that grew up and didn't feel compelled to get implants to conform to some body standard. The only way that changes is if we change how dudes think.






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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20111 on: July 06, 2020, 11:30:57 AM »
Quote from: Cooloff
"Guys" is a perfectly usable term for a group of people regardless of identification, come on.
Quote from: astro
Many trans and NB folks, myself included, don't consider it to be ok.

You better say Hey penis-persons the next time :bolo
Or Phallic Pholks.

BisMarckie

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« Reply #20112 on: July 06, 2020, 11:34:02 AM »
Nah End of History is dumb, if you want to try and make predictions on the future you should be a historian not a political science guy.


Benjipwns annihilated once again.

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« Reply #20113 on: July 06, 2020, 11:34:58 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-367#post-38952328
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Yeah. The toxicity around the last of us is honestly part of what makes it heard to talk about, because my stance on a major part of the game that hurt me is, largely, the same thing a lot of the shit heads are hating on but for completely different reasons.

A number of you all took the time to encourage me to post, which I appreciate, I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to type so I'm just going to spoiler code the whole thing:

SPOILER: ENTIRE GAME SPOILERS FOR THE LAST OF US 1, I ALSO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE LAST OF US 1
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was actually pretty young when I first played the last of us. I remember playing the DLC where it confirms she was a lesbian, something I was already a little hopeful for with her final conversation in the base game, the way she talked about Riley and her "being all poetic and losing our minds together" or whatever. Anyway, it meant the world to me at the time to see someone like myself in a video game like that. This big budget AAA game from a studio I loved. Even if it was just a DLC add-on. I had never seen someone like myself represented in a game, and certainly not as a primary character.

So then they announce the Last of Us 2, and they announce that Ellie is going to be the protagonist. Four years ago. And young gay me is so happy. I already loved Ellie, I was a huge fan of Naughty Dog between uncharted 1/2 an the last of us. And here they were announcing the first AAA game ever made to have a lesbian protagonist. It was going to be the first full AAA game where I could play through it as someone like me, and it was coming out from a studio I knew I loved.

So I spent 4 years thrilled about this. I was so happy knowing this game was coming. When I got my hands on it and Ellie being a Lesbian was immediately a like... real factor in the plot that informed who she was, her relationship with people in the town, etc. I continued to be really happy. They didn't just make a game with Ellie where we knew she was gay but it never really came up, it was a real core part of who she is. You can read her journal entries where she talks about Dina asking if she is going to the dance, and Ellie is freaking out about how Dina touches her arm when she asked, clearly into Ellie but Ellie is going "She's like that with everyone, Don't fuck up your friendship." Which I think is an extremely relatable experience to a lot of young lesbians like myself. In general, as the game went on I saw a lot of myself in Ellie, and for sure some of that was projecting I'd been looking forward to this game with a lesbian protagonist for 4 years, I was bound to look for the things I can relate to. But yeah, Ellie felt a lot like me, including her faults, in a way that was really making this game a super special experience for me, even during non story scenes I was juts happy being her. Her relationship with Dina is really sweet too, and honestly I think one of the best handled lesbian relationships in any media I've personally seen. I'm even okay with how their relationship ended, it felt very real and earned by the characters involved.


And then you clear Seattle Day 3. And suddenly I'm playing as this fucking straight girl. And it goes on and you realize with a sinking kind of feeling "this is the rest of the fucking game, its not just going to be a cutaway like the brief Ellie section in TLOU1. I realize that Naughty Dog intentionally spent 4 years deceiving me into thinking I was getting the first game where I could play through as someone like myself, them knowing the whole time you were actually going to spend half the game as Abby. They could have marketed the game honestly. "You are going to spend half the game as Ellie and half the game as this new character you will meet during the events of the game". Would have not spoiled the plot, but would have reasonably tempered my expectations instead of lying to me.
And like of course right? Of course the first game to feature a lesbian protagonist would have her secretly lose half the game to a straight protagonist. That shouldn't even be a surprise, its just fucking typical of the way gays are exploited by companies. Queerbaiting. But I let myself believe in naughty dog, and it honestly broke my fucking heart. Which sounds melodramatic or whatever, but I'm sitting her getting emotional typing this all out again weeks after the game came out. Abby get's the back half of the game too, which means she mostly gets the climaxes. You DO go back to ellie for the last tiny stretch of the game, but the big exciting scenes like the burning scar Island, the big Rat King fight, all that shit is abby stuff.

Like I've said in the spoiler thread, games don't exist in a bubble. Taking completely onto itself with no outside context there is nothing wrong with spending half of the game as Abby. The storyline they want to tell is good, TLOU2 is a great game. But the game doesn't exist in a bubble, it exists in a world where there isn't a single other AAA game with a lesbian protagonist, and they intentionally spent 4 years deceiving people into thinking this one would be that game.
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I'm sorry you got hurt like this and I hope they do right by you in the next game...as long as they're 100% transparent about it and it's 100% Ellie's game because she does deserve it.

:dizzy
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« Reply #20114 on: July 06, 2020, 11:39:24 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-367#post-38954566

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I have a confession about my initial reaction to Abby, because

I did a pretty good job at keeping myself in the dark about the game, aside from hearing there was a trans character. When I saw adult Abby, I thought she was the trans character, but that also didn't make any sense to me because she seemed TOO feminine, and I seriously doubted hormone therapy would have been available post-apocalypse. Even more confused when you get child Abby who who was also presenting as female. Then you meet Lev, and I felt like a gigantic asshole for just fucking assuming a buff woman must be the trans character. I was still loving her character, trans or not, but I clearly need to be better in some ways.

:reeeee

Quote from: Godfather
Felt like I needed to say something about it so I can hold myself accountable.

:lol
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20115 on: July 06, 2020, 11:47:17 AM »
Holy shit, that's gonna be a ban for sure.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20116 on: July 06, 2020, 11:49:03 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/halle-berry-says-she-might-play-a-trans-man-in-a-movie-repeatedly-refers-to-the-character-as-a-woman-and-calls-the-potential-film-a-womans-story.242368/

Oh hey, a pretty high profile movie star wants to highlight trans issues and struggles and is personally invested in bringing a movie about them to the mainstream, that must be pretty good news right? Like when Tom Hanks did Philadelphia?

:teehee

BrokenEchelon

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20117 on: July 06, 2020, 12:15:54 PM »
That entire forum's population needs to be put on trains. See other parts of America, experience how other people live. Visit some camps.

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« Reply #20118 on: July 06, 2020, 12:17:57 PM »
That entire forum's population needs to be put on trains. See other parts of America, experience how other people live. Visit some camps.

ah the typical Holocaust joke. Nice..  :brain

BrokenEchelon

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« Reply #20119 on: July 06, 2020, 12:22:51 PM »
That entire forum's population needs to be put on trains. See other parts of America, experience how other people live. Visit some camps.

ah the typical Holocaust joke. Nice..  :brain

Who the fuck needs death camps for these lunatics? I'm talking about a regular old summer camp, they'll provide the rest:


Don Rumata

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20120 on: July 06, 2020, 12:27:26 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-367#post-38952328
Quote from: RecLib
Yeah. The toxicity around the last of us is honestly part of what makes it heard to talk about, because my stance on a major part of the game that hurt me is, largely, the same thing a lot of the shit heads are hating on but for completely different reasons.

A number of you all took the time to encourage me to post, which I appreciate, I'm not sure exactly what I'm going to type so I'm just going to spoiler code the whole thing:

SPOILER: ENTIRE GAME SPOILERS FOR THE LAST OF US 1, I ALSO TALK A LITTLE ABOUT THE LAST OF US 1
spoiler (click to show/hide)
I was actually pretty young when I first played the last of us. I remember playing the DLC where it confirms she was a lesbian, something I was already a little hopeful for with her final conversation in the base game, the way she talked about Riley and her "being all poetic and losing our minds together" or whatever. Anyway, it meant the world to me at the time to see someone like myself in a video game like that. This big budget AAA game from a studio I loved. Even if it was just a DLC add-on. I had never seen someone like myself represented in a game, and certainly not as a primary character.

So then they announce the Last of Us 2, and they announce that Ellie is going to be the protagonist. Four years ago. And young gay me is so happy. I already loved Ellie, I was a huge fan of Naughty Dog between uncharted 1/2 an the last of us. And here they were announcing the first AAA game ever made to have a lesbian protagonist. It was going to be the first full AAA game where I could play through it as someone like me, and it was coming out from a studio I knew I loved.

So I spent 4 years thrilled about this. I was so happy knowing this game was coming. When I got my hands on it and Ellie being a Lesbian was immediately a like... real factor in the plot that informed who she was, her relationship with people in the town, etc. I continued to be really happy. They didn't just make a game with Ellie where we knew she was gay but it never really came up, it was a real core part of who she is. You can read her journal entries where she talks about Dina asking if she is going to the dance, and Ellie is freaking out about how Dina touches her arm when she asked, clearly into Ellie but Ellie is going "She's like that with everyone, Don't fuck up your friendship." Which I think is an extremely relatable experience to a lot of young lesbians like myself. In general, as the game went on I saw a lot of myself in Ellie, and for sure some of that was projecting I'd been looking forward to this game with a lesbian protagonist for 4 years, I was bound to look for the things I can relate to. But yeah, Ellie felt a lot like me, including her faults, in a way that was really making this game a super special experience for me, even during non story scenes I was juts happy being her. Her relationship with Dina is really sweet too, and honestly I think one of the best handled lesbian relationships in any media I've personally seen. I'm even okay with how their relationship ended, it felt very real and earned by the characters involved.


And then you clear Seattle Day 3. And suddenly I'm playing as this fucking straight girl. And it goes on and you realize with a sinking kind of feeling "this is the rest of the fucking game, its not just going to be a cutaway like the brief Ellie section in TLOU1. I realize that Naughty Dog intentionally spent 4 years deceiving me into thinking I was getting the first game where I could play through as someone like myself, them knowing the whole time you were actually going to spend half the game as Abby. They could have marketed the game honestly. "You are going to spend half the game as Ellie and half the game as this new character you will meet during the events of the game". Would have not spoiled the plot, but would have reasonably tempered my expectations instead of lying to me.
And like of course right? Of course the first game to feature a lesbian protagonist would have her secretly lose half the game to a straight protagonist. That shouldn't even be a surprise, its just fucking typical of the way gays are exploited by companies. Queerbaiting. But I let myself believe in naughty dog, and it honestly broke my fucking heart. Which sounds melodramatic or whatever, but I'm sitting her getting emotional typing this all out again weeks after the game came out. Abby get's the back half of the game too, which means she mostly gets the climaxes. You DO go back to ellie for the last tiny stretch of the game, but the big exciting scenes like the burning scar Island, the big Rat King fight, all that shit is abby stuff.

Like I've said in the spoiler thread, games don't exist in a bubble. Taking completely onto itself with no outside context there is nothing wrong with spending half of the game as Abby. The storyline they want to tell is good, TLOU2 is a great game. But the game doesn't exist in a bubble, it exists in a world where there isn't a single other AAA game with a lesbian protagonist, and they intentionally spent 4 years deceiving people into thinking this one would be that game.
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Quote from: Jaded Photographer
I'm sorry you got hurt like this and I hope they do right by you in the next game...as long as they're 100% transparent about it and it's 100% Ellie's game because she does deserve it.

:dizzy
And then in the opening of LoU3, Druckmann has Ellie eaten alive by a pack of wolves.  :doge

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20122 on: July 06, 2020, 12:51:59 PM »

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I'm probably being too generous, but perhaps the movie opens with the character being pre-transition and they use she/her in the opening? Unlikely I know, just tired of everyone being shit :/

Lol, 1 month ban. That will give you time to think about your “generosity”.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/halle-berry-says-she-might-play-a-trans-man-in-a-movie-repeatedly-refers-to-the-character-as-a-woman-and-calls-the-potential-film-a-womans-story.242368/#post-38957374

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20123 on: July 06, 2020, 12:58:26 PM »

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I'm probably being too generous, but perhaps the movie opens with the character being pre-transition and they use she/her in the opening? Unlikely I know, just tired of everyone being shit :/

Lol, 1 month ban. That will give you time to think about your “generosity”.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/halle-berry-says-she-might-play-a-trans-man-in-a-movie-repeatedly-refers-to-the-character-as-a-woman-and-calls-the-potential-film-a-womans-story.242368/#post-38957374

How is that even ‘dismissing concerns’? If anything it’s agreeing with concerns.

I guess ERA Clear refers to how you have to be in your support when you approve of outrage there.  >:(

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« Reply #20124 on: July 06, 2020, 12:59:33 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-women-criticise-sexualised-character-designs-ot2-i-have-no-pants-and-i-must-scream-read-op.65064/page-367#post-38954566

Quote from: Godfather
I have a confession about my initial reaction to Abby, because

I did a pretty good job at keeping myself in the dark about the game, aside from hearing there was a trans character. When I saw adult Abby, I thought she was the trans character, but that also didn't make any sense to me because she seemed TOO feminine, and I seriously doubted hormone therapy would have been available post-apocalypse. Even more confused when you get child Abby who who was also presenting as female. Then you meet Lev, and I felt like a gigantic asshole for just fucking assuming a buff woman must be the trans character. I was still loving her character, trans or not, but I clearly need to be better in some ways.

:reeeee

Quote from: Godfather
Felt like I needed to say something about it so I can hold myself accountable.

:lol

This post makes me laugh because he is unintentionally stepping on land mines left right and centre in attempt to appear super self-conscious and super critical of himself in introspection.

He basically said that Abby is 'too feminine' to be trans. That's how he realised she wasn't trans. The implication being that trans women aren't really women. If Abby was trans, he would expect Abby to act more like a man than a woman.

The funny thing though is, it's an impossible game to win. He could then self-flagellate himself for assuming Abby was female because she seemed very feminine. Of course a trans person can't be too feminine, because trans women ARE women.

But hold on a minute, are you saying there is some essential difference between men and women? Are you assuming that because Abby appears 'feminine' to you, she must be a woman? lol

It's an impossible game to win.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20127 on: July 06, 2020, 01:10:04 PM »
only penis owners can pee standing up?

talk about gender conformity and keeping the patriarchy alive.  :hmph
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20129 on: July 06, 2020, 01:16:01 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/nail-polish-is-fun-give-it-a-shot.242476/

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20130 on: July 06, 2020, 01:18:59 PM »
lol at Finale Firework still getting the sexual harassment pass.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20131 on: July 06, 2020, 01:19:50 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/nail-polish-is-fun-give-it-a-shot.242476/

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20132 on: July 06, 2020, 01:28:08 PM »

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I'm probably being too generous, but perhaps the movie opens with the character being pre-transition and they use she/her in the opening? Unlikely I know, just tired of everyone being shit :/

Lol, 1 month ban. That will give you time to think about your “generosity”.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/halle-berry-says-she-might-play-a-trans-man-in-a-movie-repeatedly-refers-to-the-character-as-a-woman-and-calls-the-potential-film-a-womans-story.242368/#post-38957374

Gee, why don't more people post in these types of threads? I guess we will never know. Dude has been on the site from day 1 and has 24,000 posts, but no, he cannot be reasoned with and must take a 1 month time-out to reflect on this grave injustice.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20133 on: July 06, 2020, 01:32:53 PM »
the actual reason for their ban is they got in an argument with former mod, secret discord details leaker and ketkat fucker robin

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20134 on: July 06, 2020, 01:36:58 PM »
Why would anyone be against free speech? Free speech doesn't mean speech without backlash or consequences.


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20135 on: July 06, 2020, 01:39:19 PM »

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I'm probably being too generous, but perhaps the movie opens with the character being pre-transition and they use she/her in the opening? Unlikely I know, just tired of everyone being shit :/

Lol, 1 month ban. That will give you time to think about your “generosity”.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/halle-berry-says-she-might-play-a-trans-man-in-a-movie-repeatedly-refers-to-the-character-as-a-woman-and-calls-the-potential-film-a-womans-story.242368/#post-38957374

Okay the ensuing back and forth is pretty entertaining.
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Then why the fuck did she call him an it? Or never use he period? Ask yourself why you're giving them the benefit of the doubt for a change.

Quote from: servebot
I did right in the post you quoted. Don’t accuse me of transphobia please, it makes for an extremely toxic environment. I just wanted to be optimistic for once in what feels like forever.

Quote from: Robin
You need to seriously reassess your post, what value is it bringing to this thread, what is it saying?

You can't just pepper language of doubt into your message to make it more acceptable, and you aren't bringing optimism into a thread by telling transpeople that they are wrong and should shut up.

My first reply to this was going to be "I'm sorry for using strong language" because my nature is to give people the benefit of the doubt too, but honestly, no. Shut up and listen.

Did servebot shut up and listen?
Lol, No. He threatens to report Robin. :picard
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I'm not reporting this since I'm not a snitch but the hostility and gaslighting is completely uncalled for.

That's the end of this tangent. I won't be involved in a distraction from the important topic.

ResetEra Admin chimes in and is like, it’s cool bro.
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It's okay to want to be optimistic, but misplaced optimism can be more harmful than good. There are many red flags with Halle's comment that make it clear that she herself doesn't understand the issue or understand how she's being transphobic, even if her intent wasn't to be.

Back comes Robin  :lol
Quote from: Robin
So you're going to sow seeds of doubt as to if something is incredibly transphobic or not, call me hostile for replying, then accuse me of gaslighting? What am I gaslighting you about? Please go back to the source of this conversation and understand that your original post is unproductive and hurtful and why transpeople don't feel welcome here. You're pushing me out of the thread now. I am allowed to speak on this matter without being pushed out by you.

You say you want to end this tangent so that you won't create a distraction but you're highlighting a very real and important problem we've been talking about for threads upon threads here, and it should be discussed.

Then you know who has to chime in for some brownie points.
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The gall you have to accuse a trans member of hostility and gaslighting (aka tone policing) when they bring up how unhelpful your initial post was for giving Halle Berry the benefit of the doubt and then threatening to report them

Poor Servebot. Sophia said “just be chill” and he did; he never came back but then a couple prominent members got their shots in and he got banned for a month.
:point

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20136 on: July 06, 2020, 01:43:37 PM »
lmao and servbot has a history of being an ally and against all the hatred

seeing the people he tries to side with attack him is great

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20137 on: July 06, 2020, 01:44:24 PM »
For people so touchy about pronouns, you'd figure they'd know how to use them in a sentence.
The "it" used is referring to the subject of the clause (the story) with the predicate being that "it" (the story) is first female, then male.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20138 on: July 06, 2020, 01:50:41 PM »
Era admins trying so hard to overcompensate for being exposed as total pretenders when it comes to supporting minorities and lgbtq+ posters.

It happens everytimes they get called out. For the next couple of weeks they are gonna serve hard bans then they will stop caring again


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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20139 on: July 06, 2020, 01:52:27 PM »
For people so touchy about pronouns, you'd figure they'd know how to use them in a sentence.
The "it" used is referring to the subject of the clause (the story) with the predicate being that "it" (the story) is first female, then male.

A transmale is story is always a male story.
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20140 on: July 06, 2020, 01:53:19 PM »
Incelchief made the topic, so it is - as usual - deliberately misleading and obnoxious.

In this sentence, I am referring to the noun "the topic" which is ungendered in english as 'it'.
And even though the adjectival phrase "deliberately misleading and obnoxious" also applies to the creator of the topic (incelchief), I am not calling incelchief 'it'.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20141 on: July 06, 2020, 01:57:13 PM »
As a fat fuck, I never liked over muscular anyone in games. Still, they exist and are not less of what they identify as. I would die for being squeezed by Chun Li's thighs though
:woooo

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20142 on: July 06, 2020, 01:57:29 PM »
The verbiage of “pushing me out of the topic” is so absurd. You came at him, hard, over a fairly neutral statement and when he said “please don’t call me transphobic” you got real nasty. Tell me again why he is pushing you out of the conversation?

Things going alright at home or has KetKat been snooping through your diary again?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20143 on: July 06, 2020, 01:59:19 PM »
Gun violence is a legitimate issue in many parts of the country, but the framing of this thread is not conducive to conversation.

Hmmmmmmm?
What is it about these shootings in particular, or the way the topic is framed that makes the subject unsuitable for discussion?

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20144 on: July 06, 2020, 02:02:23 PM »
All Excel does is post outrage styled topics.  Day in and day out.  I really don't get that.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20145 on: July 06, 2020, 02:09:23 PM »
All Excel does is post outrage styled topics.  Day in and day out.  I really don't get that.
Being miserable day in and day out does that to a person

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20146 on: July 06, 2020, 02:23:08 PM »
To be clear, we're simply not gonna be allowing/hosting these polls anymore.

:teehee

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« Reply #20147 on: July 06, 2020, 03:02:13 PM »
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These last batch of posts regarding polls...am I still on planet Earth?

That answer your question?

That's another long time member that's been around since 2008.  Not many of those left in the community.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20148 on: July 06, 2020, 03:06:55 PM »
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User Banned (Permanent): Drive-By Trolling in a Sensitive Thread; Long History of Dismissive Behavior and Patterm of Misogynistic Posts
These last batch of posts regarding polls...am I still on planet Earth?

That answer your question?

That's another long time member that's been around since 2008.  Not many of those left in the community.
Can we reach out and provide a save haven for our long lost brother?  :fbm
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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20149 on: July 06, 2020, 03:17:16 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/penis-owners-do-you-pee-sitting-down-or-standing-up.242326/


These mad-men persons did it and changed the thread title :rejoice

Finally people can be recognized as penis owner. Human dignity restored.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20150 on: July 06, 2020, 03:39:22 PM »
Damn so they finally caught on that polls expose the outrage police as a vocal minority.

Polls banned on a discussion forum :neogaf

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20151 on: July 06, 2020, 04:01:16 PM »
Era admins trying so hard to overcompensate for being exposed as total pretenders when it comes to supporting minorities and lgbtq+ posters.

It happens everytimes they get called out. For the next couple of weeks they are gonna serve hard bans then they will stop caring again

A sane message board with sane mods would've been fed up with the batshit insane posters constantly wanting to be catered to and just banned the insane posters. Board instantly becomes bearable again.

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« Reply #20152 on: July 06, 2020, 04:03:12 PM »
To be clear, we're simply not gonna be allowing/hosting these polls anymore.

:teehee


 :lol cue those threads just being quiet as a graveyard then. Next up: "mods need to seek out problematic posters and demand they post in these threads OR ELSE!!!

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20153 on: July 06, 2020, 04:24:15 PM »
The staff need to be able to see what threads and posters someone is ignoring before I can be safe and not pushed out of threads.

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« Reply #20154 on: July 06, 2020, 04:26:31 PM »
before I can be safe and not pushed out of threads.

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« Reply #20155 on: July 06, 2020, 04:32:01 PM »
Ignoring my history degrees is going to get you put in The Box™ if you keep it up mister.

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20156 on: July 06, 2020, 04:33:19 PM »
Ignoring my history degrees is going to get you put in The Box™ if you keep it up mister.

Penis owner :wag

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20157 on: July 06, 2020, 05:20:44 PM »
Found benji's secret twatter account   :drudge

https://twitter.com/Ad_Inifinitum
hey

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Re: Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread
« Reply #20158 on: July 06, 2020, 05:26:16 PM »
I expected this update to notify me that she got her job back or another offer since white people (especially the racist ones) always, without fail, fail upwards.

:dunno

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« Reply #20159 on: July 06, 2020, 05:28:02 PM »
But has she apologized to the NB people she tarred as GamerGate adjacent?

Because it seems to me like you can’t exactly champion Trans rights on one hand, and throw NB’s (and trans people who called it out) under the bus in another.

Would like to see some clarification on the subject, tbh.

Also pretty sus using "boogaloo", a well known alt-right white supremacist codephrase, how sure are we about this "lindsay" character anyway?
:thinking