Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Transhuman]

It's not going to get better

This country hates me simply for existing and that view will never change

It's at least a little bit to do with Trump.

I'm with you though, I don't think linking to these threads is kosher.

[Pennywise]

Hey everyone, I just wanted to let you all know: In order to shine a light on the issues and concerns surrounding Cyberpunk 2077, we are going to be locking its OT on November 20 which is the International Transgender Day of Remembrance. This will make the issue impossible to miss, especially for anyone using that thread the day after the game launches.

Black Chamber and vestan , who have signed up to create the OT, are 100% on board with this and both were fully supportive when we contacted them about it.

The OT will be reopened on the 21st because we feel it’s important to have a space where people can discuss and criticize the game without bigots and trolls dominating or shutting down the discussion. We'll be moderating as strictly as necessary to provide that space. There will be a staff post and guidelines in place to ensure this.

Additionally, in honor of Transgender Awareness Week as well as the Day of Remembrance, there will be a site logo change for the duration.

Hilariously pointless gesture 

They finally got their own
"I pledge to continue supporting the Paris Agreement"

[zomgee]

"I just don't get it, why are certain people flat out avoiding talking about these issues with CDPR? This is such a one sided conversation."

*person places their foot in the bait trap, says they think CDPR is maybe a bit insensitive, but not transphobic*

"Oh look at this. Another low post count transphobic troll. Fuck you. Enjoy the ban coming."

They honestly don't have the capability to see why people have learned to just stay away from discussing these topics. There is no conversation to be had when it's fall in line or be banned.

"I have an idea, people who DON'T post in this thread and do not actively boycott CDPR should be permabanned from the site, because in essence they are supporting transphobia by NOT engaging!"

[remy]

blaming people for not engaging with your horrible bait 

[Momo]

Funny cuz I’m still pretty sure as a whole cyberpunk 2077 will be a big win for trans, and all LGBT gamers. Especially if it’s good. It’s kind of cool to see this super consumerist future have all these crazy ads depicting gay couples and trans people as if they are fully integrated.

[benjipwns]

I feel safer when the ONE RULE of ResetERA.com is followed:

User Banned (Duration to be Determined by Admin Review): Blatant misrepresentation, inflammatory accusation, extensive history of hostility, personal attacks, and thread derailment

Meh. Say whatever you want. They make a game I like, I buy it. Don't care about other stuff.

This is essentially the same sentiment I saw an administrator of this very site express in the 3D Realms/Realms Deep thread, I find it kind of funny that in this particular case it triggered a perma-ban and was framed as trolling.

[benjipwns]

this super consumerist future

Speaking of, did you see that Film Robert got fired again?

[Clockwork5]

blaming people for not engaging with your horrible bait 

Banning people for not engaging with your horrible bait
 

[remy]

blaming people for not engaging with your horrible bait 

Banning people for not engaging with your horrible bait
 

[Supermanisdead]

The problem with closing the thread for a day because of trans awareness day is that it's just going to be opened the next day. Imagine if a company was racist or homophobic and they closed the thread for a single day in February or June and then reopened it like it changed anything. By doing something for one day, they are also doubling down on supporting transphobia for the other 364 days. What a stupid idea. I'm really stunned.

[Averon]

They will never go for a full ban on CDPR or CP 2077. Too much site traffic and ad revenue depend on it for Cerium to allow that to happen. Hell, they never banned THQ Nordic, and threads about games from them now happen with little or no push back nowadays. The exact same thing will happen with CDPR and CP 2077. By this time next year--likely sooner--ERA will have regular threads about CDPR and CP 2077 without all the bitching from the usual sort. By then these people will have a shiny, new target to outrage about.

[benjipwns]

They will never go for a full ban on CDPR or CP 2077. Too much site traffic and ad revenue depend on it for Cerium to allow that to happen.

FACT CHECK:

Revenue plays no factor in moderation decisions. We're a completely volunteer staff here.

[benjipwns]

they are also doubling down on supporting transphobia for the other 364 days

FACT CHECK:

Additionally, in honor of Transgender Awareness Week as well as the Day of Remembrance, there will be a site logo change for the duration.

[jorma]

I feel safer when the ONE RULE of ResetERA.com is followed:

User Banned (Duration to be Determined by Admin Review): Blatant misrepresentation, inflammatory accusation, extensive history of hostility, personal attacks, and thread derailment

Meh. Say whatever you want. They make a game I like, I buy it. Don't care about other stuff.

This is essentially the same sentiment I saw an administrator of this very site express in the 3D Realms/Realms Deep thread, I find it kind of funny that in this particular case it triggered a perma-ban and was framed as trolling.

couldn't have happened to a more insane dude
he's always been insane on the right side of history before though, i guess he thought he was safe 

[HaughtyFrank]

I feel safer when the ONE RULE of ResetERA.com is followed:

User Banned (Duration to be Determined by Admin Review): Blatant misrepresentation, inflammatory accusation, extensive history of hostility, personal attacks, and thread derailment

Meh. Say whatever you want. They make a game I like, I buy it. Don't care about other stuff.

This is essentially the same sentiment I saw an administrator of this very site express in the 3D Realms/Realms Deep thread, I find it kind of funny that in this particular case it triggered a perma-ban and was framed as trolling.

couldn't have happened to a more insane dude
he's always been insane on the right side of history before though, i guess he thought he was safe 

They keep forgetting that the only entity you're not allowed to attack as transphobic, racist etc. is the RE staff itself. That's where the mods suddenly go "hold on, there is some nuance to this!"

[Tektonic]

did somebody say THQ Nordic?!

Before you purchase any THQ Nordic games, you should be aware of what you are supporting: THQ Nordic holding an AMA on... 8chan (UP: website linked to multiple mass shootings)

This summary post was written by several users to provide the appropriate context to what occurred so that people can make a well-informed opinion. Drive-bys such as calling people bots, saying the summary post is "like clockwork", and calling out the posting history of those involved with the summary post are immature, harmful, and extremely dismissive of the issue at hand.

Harassing those involved with attempting to educate people on what happened is NOT acceptable. You are free to play whatever video games you want, but do not be disrespectful of others or dismissive of a serious issue.

Mod statement: "To address a few recurring points: We will not be banning games published by THQ Nordic and subsidiaries like Deep Silver. You are instead welcome to continue raising the issue in threads relevant to the publisher and its games."

If you use Steam and want to ignore all games that THQ Nordic publishes, go to their publisher page while you're logged in, then click on the little gear icon below where it says "Beta" and choose "Ignore this creator."
____________________________________________________________________________________________

These games are being published by THQ Nordic. For those who may not be aware or who may have forgotten, THQ Nordic had a marketing effort where it intended to gain attention using a website that is known primarily for its support of child pornography, as well as for support of Neo-Nazism, doxxing, and other extremely damaging behaviors.

The individuals involved posted under multiple accounts, a few of which being THQN_Phillip (PR marketing director), THQN_Reinhard (Business & Product Development Director/Executive Producer at THQ Nordic), and THQN_Fabian, where they openly responded to posts including homophobia, racial slurs, and content involving underage children. They continued responding to these awful posts with a tone of jocularity, even going so far as to agree with these users.

THQ Nordic has provided no response to this fiasco except for a very shallow apology claiming they did not do enough research. As the website is unlisted by Google, they spoke directly to the board owner about removing "nasty stuff". They had also liked a tweet saying that critics of their choice to have an AMA on that site were "sensitive Simons". They knew exactly what they were doing--this was an intentional choice.

etc etc etc

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[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The real gem is that some people would prefer to hock shit products online to marks than practice medicine and actually help people

 - Signed, a fulltime online activist and part time night shift supermarket stock checker

[daycru]

The problem with closing the thread for a day because of trans awareness day is that it's just going to be opened the next day. Imagine if a company was racist or homophobic and they closed the thread for a single day in February or June and then reopened it like it changed anything. By doing something for one day, they are also doubling down on supporting transphobia for the other 364 days. What a stupid idea. I'm really stunned.

It’s the most convoluted do nothing Democrat solution they could possibly come up

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-structure.308563/

[Tektonic]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-structure.308563/

No worries guys, Neogaf is right there for you to be bigoted POS’s. Don’t let the door hit you on the way out,

[Pissy F Benny]

I looked up THQ Nordic on wiki to see what the fuck they even publish now other than that one spongebob game and if wiki is anything to go by there are so many divisions and shit that the some of the people who rail against them on ree probably have bought a game from them in the last year

[Nintex]

To prevent nasty racist, transphobes, homophobes, bigots of all stripes, from having space to air their nasty horrible opinions, all of which they claim is ‘having different opinions’

[Pissy F Benny]

Anyone who bought Crysis remastered for example is technically playing a thq nordic joint

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

To prevent nasty racist, transphobes, homophobes, bigots of all stripes, from having space to air their nasty horrible opinions, all of which they claim is ‘having different opinions’

The lock message from apparently another fucking new moderator from the endless carousel

[Nintex]

Anyone who bought Crysis remastered for example is technically playing a thq nordic joint

Embracer owns about 40 studios I think.
Including contract devs like Saber Interactive who worked on Halo and a lot of other stuff

[ShutUp]

These are supposed to be adult individuals in their 20's or 30's and they really can't handle people not thinking CDPR is transphobic. No ability at all to handle an actual discussion where someone challenges their viewpoint, despite endlessly wondering why people won't engage the bait anymore.

Meanwhile, Cerium sitting back like "yes, yes, keep up the site traffic my mindless minions!"

[HaughtyFrank]

A very well put together thread OP.

I think the tweets speak of an ignorance in the company and CDPR really need to educate their staff, particularly the PR staff. I’m also glad they fired the GoG employee.

That being said, the in-game representations are more open for interpretation. I do not believe there is any intent to discriminate (but perhaps some ignorance) and I will wait to play the game to understand more of the context.

I think Cyberpunk is a dystopia and sex/gender is going to be a big topic for discussion particularly with the possibility of body augmentation. Ignoring it would be more wrong.

Finally, the dialogue being tied to voice tone, I am sure is an oversight earlier in the development. It seems like a practical element to do with dialogue mapping and I imagine modifying this for such a huge amount of dialogue would be a colossal undertaking. I think the OP will need to accept that for 99% of people, this won’t impact their experience. This is not a CDPR issue and I can’t think of many games that cater to a transgender audience in this way (but please correct me if I’m wrong).

User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns around transphobia, ignoring staff post

This is as polite and non-controversial as it gets and yet they cry why no one engages with them.  :'(

Also, another great take:

Your post highlights another part: even in a hypothetical scenario where CDPR wasn't transphobic, they wouldn't be right for this project because they are a huge mainstream company. This is a genre (and a franchise) that is deeply connected to progressive politics and questioning our future. And this is a game made by a studio that benefits from the status quo and have no project leads that represent the minorities that have to be key in the kind of world they're creating.

Is this the first time any of them have ever engaged with cyberpunk? Where was their bitching when Bladerunner 2049 was produced by a huge company?

It's this weird standard they suddenly invented that only applies to this one game. Like historical accuracy was suddenly highly problematic with Kingdom Come but no one cared about the lack of diversity in Ghost of Tsushima

[ShutUp]

That post was fine for the REEEE mindset until they said that the OP will need to accept for everyone outside of Era, this shit isn't a problem for anyone. Thin skinned as they are there, they can't handle that this really isn't the life altering problem they want it to be.

[Yulwei]

  That thread exists so people can go in there and say I agree. Everything else is promptly banned.

[Pissy F Benny]

These are supposed to be adult individuals in their 20's or 30's and they really can't handle people not thinking CDPR is transphobic. No ability at all to handle an actual discussion where someone challenges their viewpoint, despite endlessly wondering why people won't engage the bait anymore.

Meanwhile, Cerium sitting back like "yes, yes, keep up the site traffic my mindless minions!"

I wouldn’t be shocked if most of their more disruptive user base were spoiled and/or only childs, would explain the tantrums when they don’t get their own way or are challenged on something

[HaughtyFrank]

Oh Messo...

https://twitter.com/ReseteraTakes/status/1317862015927488512

[Lonewulfeus]

What you’re all forgetting is that resetera doesn’t always use the common definitions for the words they put in ban messages.  In this case, transphobia means having a view point about trans people that differs from the most outspoken members of transera.  This can and has included other trans people being banned for transphobia.  Just like trolling usually means saying something that a prominent member or mod doesn’t like, or applying their crazy standards to someone they like.

[Joe Molotov]

Noo....you can’t just have 80’s nostalgia in your cyberpunk property. This is not true cyberpunk!

[Averon]

These people that claim to hate gatekeeping now love to gatekeep about what is or isn't cyberpunk. They even now think only certain entities can make cyberpunk. Apparently, if the entity making a cyberpunk theme IP is "too big," it doesn't count...for reasons   

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

These people that claim to hate gatekeeping now love to gatekeep about what is or isn't cyberpunk. They even now think only certain entities can make cyberpunk. Apparently, if the entity making a cyberpunk theme IP is "too big," it doesn't count...for reasons   

Unless its Disney, obv.

[Switters]

Petition to rename this :pondsmith

[bork]

Was this posted?

https://twitter.com/ReseteraTakes/status/1315445353693491202

[clothedmacuser]

Was this posted?

https://twitter.com/ReseteraTakes/status/1315445353693491202

Gatekeeping 101

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-structure.308563/

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-structure.308563/

(Image removed from quote.)

You see, it's a fact that every single person perma banned on resetera is a nasty racist, transphobe, homophobe or bigot of all stripes.

Even KetKat.





And especially Marrec

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Judging a fictional work that hasn't been released and so far has no context.


Can you imagine if someone did that do you, how would that make you fee.......oh.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ugh-one-of-those-trump-fascist-parades-just-drove-through-my-town.308701/

At least we got to watch their surprised faces as my wife and I threw up double middle fingers from our car as we blasted All You Fascists Are Going To Lose by Woody Guthrie.

 

[bork]

https://twitter.com/agitatius/status/1317870980639895554
https://twitter.com/cakeboss26/status/1317910857062502400

[D3RANG3D]

[Yulwei]

https://twitter.com/messofanego/status/1316851925627949058

[Transhuman]

Meeting a celebrity is a horrible lifegoal

[Klelk]

"Go out on her own terms" which is why she's leaving the same day as everyone else getting laid off from CBSi, and has no job lined up 

[Snoopycat_]

Here we go, the move to deplatform Keanu begins -

What has Keanu Reeves stance on this been? He has been supporting and promoting the game. Since I cannot find any statements from him, am I to assume he finds no problems with any of this? He has always come off as fake to me
 

[VomKriege]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/resetera-structure.308563/

You really should include examples here if you're posting in good faith.

Wouldn't posting actual examples be "antagonistic meta commentary" ?
Classic GAF sleight of hand too. WHERE DA RECEIPTS AT !?

[HaughtyFrank]

https://twitter.com/messofanego/status/1316851925627949058

(Image removed from quote.)

I don't mean to stalk messo, but there was this time I was looking for a "steal my sunshine" best of on youtube and found... well...





Is it a fetish? An obsession? I don't know...

[Odrion]

wasn't he the guy who had that weird crush on his co-worker and didn't even know whether or not she had a boyfriend?

edit: wait what's this about a mail order bride?

[ShutUp]

wasn't he the guy who had that weird crush on his co-worker and didn't even know whether or not she had a boyfriend?

edit: wait what's this about a mail order bride?

Adult Messy needed his parents to arrange a marriage for him.

[Nintex]

Here we go, the move to deplatform Keanu begins -

What has Keanu Reeves stance on this been? He has been supporting and promoting the game. Since I cannot find any statements from him, am I to assume he finds no problems with any of this? He has always come off as fake to me
 

Not to mention he was the first to take the Red   pill instead of Blue no matter who 

[DJ Bedroom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-appeal-to-authenticity-let-miles-say-nicca.308845/

Because THAT'S what a Disney game needs

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-appeal-to-authenticity-let-miles-say-nicca.308845/

Because THAT'S what a Disney game needs

If I wasn't lazy I'd cross check the people who argue in favor of it and the ones who complained that Barret from FF7R is a caricature

[ShutUp]

So when this inevitably isn't in the game, Insomniac will join CDPR on the Era shit list. Can't wait.

[Rahxephon91]

So when this inevitably isn't in the game, Insomniac will join CDPR on the Era shit list. Can't wait.

Um no, they make PlayStation exclusives.

[DJ Bedroom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-appeal-to-authenticity-let-miles-say-nicca.308845/post-48844630

jman1954goat said:
who's man is this ?

Somebody needs to come get em.

Why don’t we meet up so I can put my pistol in your mouth and post it In this thread

GodDAMN

[Yulwei]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-appeal-to-authenticity-let-miles-say-nicca.308845/post-48844630

jman1954goat said:
who's man is this ?

Somebody needs to come get em.

Why don’t we meet up so I can put my pistol in your mouth and post it In this thread

GodDAMN

reminds me of that GAF poster who replied to someone about how he would fuck his wife up 

wish i had a link to it

[DJ Bedroom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/an-appeal-to-authenticity-let-miles-say-nicca.308845/post-48844630

jman1954goat said:
who's man is this ?

Somebody needs to come get em.

Why don’t we meet up so I can put my pistol in your mouth and post it In this thread

GodDAMN

reminds me of that GAF poster who replied to someone about how he would fuck his wife up 

wish i had a link to it

The one about nintendogs?