Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-54057472

This is beyond ridiculous at this point. Why is it so hard to listen to the minorities on this site? And involve them in situations that directly affect them. I still can't believe that Black Chamber got off so easily and no one thought to involve Trans Era in the discussion.

Uh, they removed him from the site. What else are they supposed to do, find him and kill him?

Afraid to do what's right?

[BIONIC]

Why are accusations of posters being Nazis being thrown about so lightly, especially in regards to one particular poster? It's a serious allegation and can have consequences when used without substantive and proper evidence.

.... What are you even talking about?

User Banned (Permanent): Defending alt-right rhetoric

I am talking about the many referrals to Black Chamber being a Nazi that are on this thread and on many others. It's way too extreme a word.

Not a single peep from the modmins, but they sure got this CHUDLORD 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

remember being  a fighter of the revolution?

Fuck you, just be a good person.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-54057472

This is beyond ridiculous at this point. Why is it so hard to listen to the minorities on this site? And involve them in situations that directly affect them. I still can't believe that Black Chamber got off so easily and no one thought to involve Trans Era in the discussion.

Uh, they removed him from the site. What else are they supposed to do, find him and kill him?

yeah, for all their talk of being victimised, they straight up doxxed, harrassed, chased off site, and now endlessly shit talk a dude whose 'crime' was literally wanting to make a hype thread for a videogame and acquiescing to every insane demand thrown at him

[ShutUp]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/post-54057472

This is beyond ridiculous at this point. Why is it so hard to listen to the minorities on this site? And involve them in situations that directly affect them. I still can't believe that Black Chamber got off so easily and no one thought to involve Trans Era in the discussion.

Uh, they removed him from the site. What else are they supposed to do, find him and kill him?

yeah, for all their talk of being victimised, they straight up doxxed, harrassed, chased off site, and now endlessly shit talk a dude whose 'crime' was literally wanting to make a hype thread for a videogame and acquiescing to every insane demand thrown at him

And now a mod posting that the endless amounts of being insulted has actually fucked with their mental health. Seeing that post by Sophia and the trans community there not stopping to actually think "wow, we've gone way too far" but instead continuing to play the victim card and "gosh we are sorry but that doesn't mean you can mouth off at us!" like some peak Karen assholes so badly needs to be the final straw for mods.

[Transhuman]

Why are accusations of posters being Nazis being thrown about so lightly, especially in regards to one particular poster? It's a serious allegation and can have consequences when used without substantive and proper evidence.

.... What are you even talking about?

User Banned (Permanent): Defending alt-right rhetoric

I am talking about the many referrals to Black Chamber being a Nazi that are on this thread and on many others. It's way too extreme a word.

Not a single peep from the modmins, but they sure got this CHUDLORD 

Is that from in the "Community discussion" thread you need to be a member to see? They really got banned for saying that?

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdpr-is-a-transphobic-company-its-time-we-stop-making-excuses-for-them.307474/page-126#post-54059392

I am very frustrated at the moment at the closure of my thread this morning about CDPR's "apology." Everyone who took issue with the thread existing were either a) regulars in the OT, b) defended the game in some context or c) have completely ignored and not commented on the transphobic issues in threads like this. But suddenly, that thread existing is what made them feel the need to speak up.

It's so incredibly transparent.

It was then closed because all discussion regarding the game should be part of the OT. And I think that misses the entire point.

The mods should be able to separate a thread celebrating the sales of the game with a thread that has "new news" regarding the company's treatment of the trans community and/or the massive issues surrounding the game. If CDPR makes their first statement on the problems with the game and in that statement they a) literally lie about the state they released the game in and b) only focus on the bugs and purposefully ignore the transphobic issues brought to light in multiple reviews, that is thread-worthy.

It shouldn't be treated the same as a thread about game sales. Something like that needs to be brought to light rather than buried in other threads.

Edit: Uh, and apparently I missed some stuff by not being on the site most of the day. Wow.

So you got exactly what you wanted--pigeon-holing all CP 2077 discussion into a single OT--but now that you want to make a thread outside the OT, it's a problem now? 

[Joe Molotov]

I let a few members of senior staff know that I'd be willing to help assist with discussions on Hogwarts Legacy once there's a firm release date.

[joeboy101]

It's clear that we're going to need structure for the future Harry Potter game to due to you know, JK Rowling being fucking awful. So, hopefully, they take this entire situation as a learning curve and prepare for that situation, long term.

FFS, the evidence of TERFness against JKR is heavier than transphobia towards CP77, but Rowling isn’t programming the game. Is she even having a word towards the content of the game? Why is that game verboten, because she thought up the IP? Is the IP itself transphobic?

JFC, they always need a witch-hunt going.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Is that from in the "Community discussion" thread you need to be a member to see? They really got banned for saying that?

[Joe Molotov]

It's clear that we're going to need structure for the future Harry Potter game to due to you know, JK Rowling being fucking awful. So, hopefully, they take this entire situation as a learning curve and prepare for that situation, long term.

FFS, the evidence of TERFness against JKR is heavier than transphobia towards CP77, but Rowling isn’t programming the game. Is she even having a word towards the content of the game? Why is that game verboten, because she thought up the IP? Is the IP itself transphobic?

JFC, they always need a witch-hunt going.

Hogwarts will be very telling. It's a game where the money from it literally is going to be used for anti-trans hate groups.

[ShutUp]

Yes, hopefully the mods take this backbone they've actually seemed to form and apply it moving forward.

Here are the rules, you either all follow them or you are permabanned. End of discussion. People in their 20's and 30's (and 40's) should be mature* enough to handle this.

*

[Transhuman]

Is that from in the "Community discussion" thread you need to be a member to see? They really got banned for saying that?

(Image removed from quote.)

Yeah i'm surprised, they're being complete Na- I mean not nice people.

[Pennywise]

Shame that Hobbes is banned.
I wonder which side he would pick. 

[Uncle]

Why are accusations of posters being Nazis being thrown about so lightly, especially in regards to one particular poster? It's a serious allegation and can have consequences when used without substantive and proper evidence.

.... What are you even talking about?

User Banned (Permanent): Defending alt-right rhetoric

I am talking about the many referrals to Black Chamber being a Nazi that are on this thread and on many others. It's way too extreme a word.

Not a single peep from the modmins, but they sure got this CHUDLORD 

I feel the need to make this megapost because I don't believe black chamber is a trumper or an instigator

maybe I'm a super naive idiot but after he went to gaf there would be no reason for him to continue the charade, if he was a trumper he should just accept the pats on the back and say lol yeah I got em good with my psyops

but no

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-753#post-261471457

This has been going on for months. Sophia first contacted me a while back about my OT. We discussed ways to implement trans rights into the OT. After that was all settled and good to go; things escalated with every new "development" with CD Projekt Red and then Kyuuji made that stickied thread that she gleefully shoved down everyone's throat in every Cyberpunk thread - even the few there that weren't created by me - with her trolling, thread-derailing, non-stop links to it.

While I agree with the cause, the way that she went about it was absolutely and disturbingly deplorable.

Then last Saturday came the question of "Are you going to include anything related to Trans rights in your OT?". After hours of being incessantly berated with this question, my answer was that everyone was welcome to enjoy it - and I meant everyone and anyone that wanted to be entertained by my Cyberpunk 2077 OT was welcome in it. Since I had already planned on including something like that for a while at that point, I didn't want to spoil the surprise of it by saying "yes" - I thought it would be a much nicer gesture for everyone to see that I had done it of my own volition.

Apparently TransEra [as well as non-trans members like ZeoVGM, Hobbes and others] didn't like the way I answered that question; so they harassed and insulted me all day long for it.

Everything from last Saturday came to a head Sunday morning, due to TransEra badgering the moderation team with their demands - chief among them was that I should be stripped of the right to make the OT because they didn't like my answer to their constant, badgering question about whether or not I was going to include something in my OT that I had already planned on including.

So early last Sunday morning, Sophia contacted me along with B-dubs and arranged a private Discord chat for us to discuss a solution to what the OT was going to be - or if it was even going to be at all. I suggested the self-imposed one month ban in solidarity with the message and everyone agreed that would send a stronger signal that TransEra was welcome in the OT.

After we had already negotiated everything amicably that morning, later in the afternoon things had gotten even worse with TransEra [and others - the usual suspects] and their demands, as they didn't like the solution that we came up with and were calling me a "martyr" for asking for the one month ban, as well as attacking the mod team for negotiating with me without asking for their consent or opinions. Sophia contacted me again [with B-dubs] and explained that I wouldn't be making the OT and that B-dubs was going to make it instead. I protested and said that I thought it was ridiculous and Sophia agreed with me. I mentioned that I was the one being harassed and bullied and that I was being punished when I did nothing wrong and she took my side; which is when those 2 joke/trolling tweets were "discovered".

They never asked me to explain the situation. B-dubs only said "Did someone fake your Twitter?" "Are those your tweets?" "Did you really vote for Trump?" and I said that they were mine and no I didn't vote for Trump - but before I could explain what the meaning behind them was, they abruptly ended the conversation and deleted the chat.

From there, I am here🤘💯

his explanation of his supposed "maga" tweet and further commentary

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-720#post-261445495

I didn't vote for Trump or Biden and I got labeled a transphobe, a bigot and a "trumper" by the mods and TransEra because during someone's "research" into my posts on Twitter, I had trolled Michael Rappaport with maga nonsense in the past🤷‍♂️

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-703#post-261432437

No, I'm not a "trumper"😂

I don't like Biden either.

I've been asked this a lot today!

I've never voted once in my life. I'm just not a political person, mainly because growing up my parents were always watching the news and raving about politics when I just wanted to watch a movie or play videogames and I had to wait for them to get off the TV to do so. It truly turned me off of politics - but I used to have fun trolling people using their politics; which was very immature and quite frankly, embarrassing.

As for do I think CD Projekt Red is a transphobic company...

I don't think that the entire company is transphobic. I think that they had some problematic employees that have since been dealt with and I think that the outrage surrounding those past issues continues to permeate to this day. The ad that's got everyone so up-in-arms over there for the "Mix It Up" Chromanticore soft drink was actually created and designed by a member of the LGBTQ+ community who works on staff at CD Projekt Red. That fact seems to be glossed over each and every time that ad is brought up as "evidence" that the whole company is transphobic.

The other issue was the controversial tweet of "Did you just assume their gender?" Yes, that was a tonedeaf response and that employee has long since been dealt with for it.

People change. The company changed. But they get no credit for all the good they do on ResetEra.

I don't know any of the devs personally of course, to say "Yes they said this or that" or how they really feel about the issue; but going by the evidence "I" can see - I do not think they are a transphobic company as a whole.

Sure they've made mistakes over the years; but from what I can tell, they have since corrected those mistakes and put their best foot forward and are doing positive things for not only the LGBTQ+ community - but for women and abortion rights in Poland as well. They are also the most generous and giving studio to their fanbase in the business; giving a lot of value to the consumer in terms of physical content, free DLC and other amenities just for buying their games.

This would be a ban-worthy post on ResetEra; even though nothing I said is false and is all completely factual.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/post-261471903

It really is insane that some of them there really believe that I was a 3 year long "Trojan Horse" troll just because B-dubs said so. If the situation was reversed and all of what happened to me, happened to someone else and the same explanation was given by B-dubs - I wouldn't believe it🤷‍♂️

if he really was some maga person, I would question why he only has one such tweet that you have to dive years back in his history to find, unlike actual maga people who won't ever shut the fuck up about it

his response to a b-dubs post:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-749#post-261469205

"Yes, we were fooled by Black Chamber"

...

What an embarrassingly deceiving thing to say. How did I "fool" "we"?

If being yourself and sincere fools someone - how false do you have to be to say something that weak just to save face?

He also could have said "Black Chamber was an alien all along and he left in his flying saucer after we spoke".

They would probably believe that too🤷‍♂️

genuine concern about backlash toward sophia:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-754#post-261472017

Yes, this probably dooms Sophia.

oh no! they are going to read that sophia was extremely upset about kyuji derailing your threads. war incoming. but this was before they found out you were donald trump in disguise so they shouldn't worry about this

Wait - should I delete those then? I don't want her to get dogpiled on like they did to me - I only shared those to show how nice she was to me and that she's a decent person.

as far as all he wanted all along?

embarrassingly, above all the mans just loves his bloated, overwrought OTs

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-732#post-261452413

That is a prime example of a thrown together OT.

It's like having a wedding in an outhouse. How is that supposed to elicit hype and fun?

Wow...I'm floored at how little care was given to it😲

[Uncle]

It's clear that we're going to need structure for the future Harry Potter game to due to you know, JK Rowling being fucking awful. So, hopefully, they take this entire situation as a learning curve and prepare for that situation, long term.

FFS, the evidence of TERFness against JKR is heavier than transphobia towards CP77, but Rowling isn’t programming the game. Is she even having a word towards the content of the game? Why is that game verboten, because she thought up the IP? Is the IP itself transphobic?

JFC, they always need a witch-hunt going.

I fully expect no commentary about the jkr "situation" from WB, however a random trans student will be slipped into the game somewhere in solidarity

this is 100% what is going to happen

[BIONIC]

The thing about telling someone to pound sand is that you need to be sure your own head isn't buried in it, should they decide to follow through with such a directive.  This goes for whoever may decide to use such a phrase.

Also, how can anyone tell someone that their identity is not being erased, and be so sure of that?  Even if it's out of anger, just how???  It should go without saying how harmful that can be, whether you're saying it in a civil fashion or not.  Things have really broken down that people are doing this to each other.

So all this here, this isn't the way.  In the several months since I've left the staff, I've watched the term "moderation" repeatedly be communicated to the community as a punitive-only thing.  The only way you could accept this is if you have no real expectation to see things change and it will always come down to "us vs. them".  It is the singularity of nihilism, it is fucked up, and it was put in place despite having one of the most representative staff makeups the site has had.

So I would suggest the individual communities not meet with staff and not leave it up to staff (current or former) to do any more writeups. And not wait for more representative faces to show up as admins (mods after all have almost no power, one day you will finally believe me that all the power is with a few admins), because that is what was set up to help the various communities, and that didn't work.  Fool me X number of times with this already.

Meet on your own, write up on your own, post it and get community feedback on your own, then post your demands and expectations.  If people still feel it's worth doing, that is - it's not like people haven't met and plainly made their cases already, much of this work has already been done and said. 

But it would make the neo-nihilism culture here look at least as utterly silly as the site's console warring and fanboying does, and that's what it's going to take to fix this site's ills - an outright deplatforming of "us vs. them". 

We'd also find out how many out there would rather reserve the right to say whatever they want than curb their tongues in service of this goal.  No sense in burying my head in the sand if you're going to tell me to pound it no matter what is done.

Inside scoopz 

[Pissy F Benny]

These dorks sure take their message boards seriously don’t they

[remy]

Why are accusations of posters being Nazis being thrown about so lightly, especially in regards to one particular poster? It's a serious allegation and can have consequences when used without substantive and proper evidence.

.... What are you even talking about?

User Banned (Permanent): Defending alt-right rhetoric

 feel the need to make this megapost because I don't believe black chamber is a trumper or an instigator

maybe I'm a super naive idiot but after he went to gaf there would be no reason for him to continue the charade, if he was a trumper he should just accept the pats on the back and say lol yeah I got em good with my psyops

(...)

fucking lol at a.) this chill but weird dude because the nexus/scapegoat for all this drama

b.) known dickhead bdubz  valor stealing a forum OP just post it u little bitch 

[Joe Molotov]

Why are accusations of posters being Nazis being thrown about so lightly, especially in regards to one particular poster? It's a serious allegation and can have consequences when used without substantive and proper evidence.

.... What are you even talking about?

User Banned (Permanent): Defending alt-right rhetoric

I am talking about the many referrals to Black Chamber being a Nazi that are on this thread and on many others. It's way too extreme a word.

Not a single peep from the modmins, but they sure got this CHUDLORD 

I feel the need to make this megapost because I don't believe black chamber is a trumper or an instigator

maybe I'm a super naive idiot but after he went to gaf there would be no reason for him to continue the charade, if he was a trumper he should just accept the pats on the back and say lol yeah I got em good with my psyops

but no

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-753#post-261471457

This has been going on for months. Sophia first contacted me a while back about my OT. We discussed ways to implement trans rights into the OT. After that was all settled and good to go; things escalated with every new "development" with CD Projekt Red and then Kyuuji made that stickied thread that she gleefully shoved down everyone's throat in every Cyberpunk thread - even the few there that weren't created by me - with her trolling, thread-derailing, non-stop links to it.

While I agree with the cause, the way that she went about it was absolutely and disturbingly deplorable.

Then last Saturday came the question of "Are you going to include anything related to Trans rights in your OT?". After hours of being incessantly berated with this question, my answer was that everyone was welcome to enjoy it - and I meant everyone and anyone that wanted to be entertained by my Cyberpunk 2077 OT was welcome in it. Since I had already planned on including something like that for a while at that point, I didn't want to spoil the surprise of it by saying "yes" - I thought it would be a much nicer gesture for everyone to see that I had done it of my own volition.

Apparently TransEra [as well as non-trans members like ZeoVGM, Hobbes and others] didn't like the way I answered that question; so they harassed and insulted me all day long for it.

Everything from last Saturday came to a head Sunday morning, due to TransEra badgering the moderation team with their demands - chief among them was that I should be stripped of the right to make the OT because they didn't like my answer to their constant, badgering question about whether or not I was going to include something in my OT that I had already planned on including.

So early last Sunday morning, Sophia contacted me along with B-dubs and arranged a private Discord chat for us to discuss a solution to what the OT was going to be - or if it was even going to be at all. I suggested the self-imposed one month ban in solidarity with the message and everyone agreed that would send a stronger signal that TransEra was welcome in the OT.

After we had already negotiated everything amicably that morning, later in the afternoon things had gotten even worse with TransEra [and others - the usual suspects] and their demands, as they didn't like the solution that we came up with and were calling me a "martyr" for asking for the one month ban, as well as attacking the mod team for negotiating with me without asking for their consent or opinions. Sophia contacted me again [with B-dubs] and explained that I wouldn't be making the OT and that B-dubs was going to make it instead. I protested and said that I thought it was ridiculous and Sophia agreed with me. I mentioned that I was the one being harassed and bullied and that I was being punished when I did nothing wrong and she took my side; which is when those 2 joke/trolling tweets were "discovered".

They never asked me to explain the situation. B-dubs only said "Did someone fake your Twitter?" "Are those your tweets?" "Did you really vote for Trump?" and I said that they were mine and no I didn't vote for Trump - but before I could explain what the meaning behind them was, they abruptly ended the conversation and deleted the chat.

From there, I am here🤘💯

his explanation of his supposed "maga" tweet and further commentary

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-720#post-261445495

I didn't vote for Trump or Biden and I got labeled a transphobe, a bigot and a "trumper" by the mods and TransEra because during someone's "research" into my posts on Twitter, I had trolled Michael Rappaport with maga nonsense in the past🤷‍♂️

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-703#post-261432437

No, I'm not a "trumper"😂

I don't like Biden either.

I've been asked this a lot today!

I've never voted once in my life. I'm just not a political person, mainly because growing up my parents were always watching the news and raving about politics when I just wanted to watch a movie or play videogames and I had to wait for them to get off the TV to do so. It truly turned me off of politics - but I used to have fun trolling people using their politics; which was very immature and quite frankly, embarrassing.

As for do I think CD Projekt Red is a transphobic company...

I don't think that the entire company is transphobic. I think that they had some problematic employees that have since been dealt with and I think that the outrage surrounding those past issues continues to permeate to this day. The ad that's got everyone so up-in-arms over there for the "Mix It Up" Chromanticore soft drink was actually created and designed by a member of the LGBTQ+ community who works on staff at CD Projekt Red. That fact seems to be glossed over each and every time that ad is brought up as "evidence" that the whole company is transphobic.

The other issue was the controversial tweet of "Did you just assume their gender?" Yes, that was a tonedeaf response and that employee has long since been dealt with for it.

People change. The company changed. But they get no credit for all the good they do on ResetEra.

I don't know any of the devs personally of course, to say "Yes they said this or that" or how they really feel about the issue; but going by the evidence "I" can see - I do not think they are a transphobic company as a whole.

Sure they've made mistakes over the years; but from what I can tell, they have since corrected those mistakes and put their best foot forward and are doing positive things for not only the LGBTQ+ community - but for women and abortion rights in Poland as well. They are also the most generous and giving studio to their fanbase in the business; giving a lot of value to the consumer in terms of physical content, free DLC and other amenities just for buying their games.

This would be a ban-worthy post on ResetEra; even though nothing I said is false and is all completely factual.

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/post-261471903

It really is insane that some of them there really believe that I was a 3 year long "Trojan Horse" troll just because B-dubs said so. If the situation was reversed and all of what happened to me, happened to someone else and the same explanation was given by B-dubs - I wouldn't believe it🤷‍♂️

if he really was some maga person, I would question why he only has one such tweet that you have to dive years back in his history to find, unlike actual maga people who won't ever shut the fuck up about it

his response to a b-dubs post:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-749#post-261469205

"Yes, we were fooled by Black Chamber"

...

What an embarrassingly deceiving thing to say. How did I "fool" "we"?

If being yourself and sincere fools someone - how false do you have to be to say something that weak just to save face?

He also could have said "Black Chamber was an alien all along and he left in his flying saucer after we spoke".

They would probably believe that too🤷‍♂️

genuine concern about backlash toward sophia:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-754#post-261472017

Yes, this probably dooms Sophia.

oh no! they are going to read that sophia was extremely upset about kyuji derailing your threads. war incoming. but this was before they found out you were donald trump in disguise so they shouldn't worry about this

Wait - should I delete those then? I don't want her to get dogpiled on like they did to me - I only shared those to show how nice she was to me and that she's a decent person.

as far as all he wanted all along?

embarrassingly, above all the mans just loves his bloated, overwrought OTs

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/resetera-discussion-stay-civil-dont-get-personal-keep-it-in-here.1506304/page-732#post-261452413

That is a prime example of a thrown together OT.

It's like having a wedding in an outhouse. How is that supposed to elicit hype and fun?

Wow...I'm floored at how little care was given to it😲

fucking lol at a.) this chill but weird dude because the nexus/scapegoat for all this drama

b.) known dickhead bdubz trying to valor steal a forum OP

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

"Angry gets shit done"

How's that working out for you perpetual-victim-era?

Because most of you "raaaaaaaage!" posters seem angrier and more miserable than ever perpetually putting yourself in the role of One True Faith Against The World with no time or inclination to listen to anyone or anything but your own self righteous indignation

[benjipwns]

This post is not a request to be banned. This post is not a statement of not wanting to be here. If my ban message says either it is not a honest and transparent ban message!

[remy]

messofanego 100% beats his wife

[venereology]

messofanego 100% beats his wife

oh please, she probably whoops HIS ass

[remy]

messofanego 100% beats his wife

oh please, she probably whoops HIS ass

there's still some justice in this world : rejoice

[BikeJesus]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdprs-handling-about-minorities-in-cyberpunk-2077-is-a-joke.343309/post-54001624

User banned (Initially 1 week): Downplaying and dismissing concerns; whataboutism. Ban upgraded to Permanent after sending in appeal that doubled down on whataboutism and added inflammatory comparisons

I think people overreact a little when 1) This is a video game 2) It's a video game set in a dystopian future which takes everything bad from society and places it in this game. Did people complain about GTA 5/4 with their portrayals of ethnic groups?

[jorma]

holy shit the staff are having none of this and standing up for themselves

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while regular users continue shitting on them

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Hexe running the secret transera discords, registered in june and has 22 posts on ree

i'm pretty sure this is ketkats alt, she just can't get enough of being angry with resetera 

[Pissy F Benny]

We should take inspiration from ree, rise up and put an end to borks tyranny once and for all

[headwalk]

RISE UP

[HaughtyFrank]

*months ago*

"Mods need to be harsher and ban more people!!!"

*today*

Stop banning people. Revert the bans. Why is the staff's answer to these kinds of issues always to make things worse?

Maybe some people are crossing a line with the insults they throw at Poodlestrike. Maybe. But people are doing this because they are hurt and feel betrayed. Don't ban people for feeling hurt and betrayed for fuck's sake.

 

[joeboy101]

Indeed. Especially with Poodlestrike on particular, this is hardly the first thing me he betrayed people.

He betrayed AsianEra.

Now he's doing the same thing with TransEra, telling users to "pound sand" while he himsekf faces no consequences.

How many times, how many communities will he insult, with absolutely nothing done to her m(Trying to cover all genders at once there?), absolutely, absolutely nothing changing, except more normal members bring banned?

We tried the "civil" approach back months ago when Poodlestrike was involved in a completely different controversy. And nothing was done. Bans were largely left in place, whereas Poodlestrike was left off the hook.

What exactly does the staff want from us?

1.) For us to act civily? The same exact civility that lead to nothing being done about Poodlestrike the first time around and us being on this current second situation involving the same exact staff member? How exactly is that supposed to go? And this is without even bringing up how civility can easily be misused and abused as well, as a certain user who was supposed to help helm the Cyberpunk OT thread showed. (How did he show that exactly? Oh right, he didn't.)
2.) Hostility? Again, that only leads to members getting banbed, often perm-banned, again while nothing happens to people like Poodlestrike who are logically (LOGICALLY!) guilty of the same offenses, no matter the reasons (as either those reasons matter or they don't, and they clearly don't matter for the people who are getting banned for attacking Poodlestrike, so why should Poodlestrike's own reasons suddenly matter?)
3.) Just give into a type of learned-helplessness/depression/apathy and do nothing? That's surely not healthy for the community and would be a true sign that there's a huge failure, that people would feel such emotions instead of being able to communicate with staff, particularly without fear or reprisal. (Welcome to the party, Pal!)

Right now, as things currently stand, any and all possible options lead to failure. (If all possible options lead to..? eh, fuck it. Nevermind)

And this is on the staff, and the staff alone, and how they've chosen to handle this, particularly in how they've created a two-tiered system that gives a separate set of rules and standards for them and regular members, that can't be challenged, that leads to them getting infinite chances whereas normal members get banned, if not permanently. (Ah, so when that system has finally turned on you, its unfair? But not when you exploited in the recent past on Black Chamber?)

This cannot hold.

This is not good for anyone.

And the only ones even capable of beginning to change it are the ones who have ultimately failed and caused all this, the staff themselves.

Once again, as a teacher krn of good faith (Wha?), I am not only calling for Poodlestrike to lose all staff privileges but be permanently banned, as to be quite honest, this should have happened the first thing me he fucked up.

But this is twice now.

To continue with this would be to show that staff think the rules thsey apply to normal members do not apply to them, that they are dictators ego (uh-oh!) can do whatever they want, whenever they want, without consequence, while normal members still have to listen to what they say.

That cannot last.
That cannot hold.
It's a system doomed to failure from its very core. (Yeah, you said that already.)

So I call on staff to hold THEMSELVES accountable to the same standards they hold normal users to as a first step, with this beginning with Poodlestrike bring permanently banned, for past and present transgressions alike.

My comments in bold. Seriously, I'm nearly choking by laughing at this post.

Random bullet points? Check.
Incredulous rage? Check.
Dour statement of outlook? Check.
Completely unreasonable demands? Check.

Mods vs. TransERA, like the Germans vs. the Russians in WWII, I'd be cheering for a cold winter.

 

[joeboy101]

And he keeps going, again, and again,

What I don't get is why staff is going so hard to go to bat for Poodlestrike especially when this isn't his first rodeo, this isn't the first time he's fucked up or some community he's caused a huge drama bomb on, but then I remember Black Chamber and it all makes sense (note: this is not in any way me calling Poodlestrike a neo-nazi, or to compare them to Black Chamber in that kinda way, to get that out of the way before it starts).

What I DO mean is that it's likely an extension of the same problems that let Black Chamber "fool" staff instead of being dealt with much earlier: that is, saying all the right things, in PRIVATE to other staff members, even as they were saying things that upset transgender users.

That staff prides not just civility, but civility to themselves above all else.

Why else would Poodlestrike in particular now find themselves at the center of MULTIPLE controversies, with absolutely nothing done to them, while many members find themselves banned permanently for reacting to him?

It seems symptomatic of many of the same issues that let Black Chamber have such a good on the staff apparently: just valuing a certain very particular type of civility above all else.

And that needs to change.

Or else we'll continue to find ourselves in this exact situation.

Again.
And again.
And again.

(And to be perfectly clear, with my comparison here, since I know that's a very loaded and dangerous one, I, IN ABSOLUTELY NO WAY WHATSOEVER mean to compare Poodlestrike and Black Chamber in terms of political beliefs, their regard for the transgender community, or anything of the sort, but rather mean to use the comparison to demonstrate that there seems to be a reoccurring problem among the staff with an obsession on civility and particular means of conducting oneself, and I only mean the comparison that far and ABSOLUTELY NO FURTHER OR IN REGARDS TO ANY OTHER TOPIC, just so that's perfectly clear right from the word-go and no completely unintended offense is caused.

I'm going extremely out of my way to clarify that particular point and be as sensitive towards it as I possibly can, so I hope those feelings and sentiments get across and are not misunderstood.)

And again. The disclaimer at the bottom is incredible.

[ShutUp]

Mods need to just reply to that screeching with "we've done all you've wanted and it's never enough. Deal with the rules as is or leave"

They developed SOME spine today, so keep showing it please.

[benita]

All these posts about not feeling "safe" on the forum any more...

Wouldn't any therapist on the planet immediately advise someone to remove themselves from that situation as soon as possible?

It's almost as though they thrive on the drama...

[Uncle]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/cdprs-handling-about-minorities-in-cyberpunk-2077-is-a-joke.343309/post-54001624

User banned (Initially 1 week): Downplaying and dismissing concerns; whataboutism. Ban upgraded to Permanent after sending in appeal that doubled down on whataboutism and added inflammatory comparisons

I think people overreact a little when 1) This is a video game 2) It's a video game set in a dystopian future which takes everything bad from society and places it in this game. Did people complain about GTA 5/4 with their portrayals of ethnic groups?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Whataboutism, also known as whataboutery, is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument.

Whataboutism is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about ..." followed by instancing of an event or situation in the Western world. According to Russian writer, chess grandmaster and political activist Garry Kasparov, it is a word that was coined to describe the frequent use of a rhetorical diversion by Soviet apologists and dictators, who would counter charges of their oppression, "massacres, gulags, and forced deportations" by invoking American slavery, racism, lynchings, etc.

a key component of whataboutism is charging your opponent with a completely unrelated hypocrisy

so like when the US would condemn gulags, russia would say "oh yeah well you guys have a history of slavery and racism"

notably it would not have been whataboutism if russia could've accurately countered saying "yeah but you guys also have gulags"

because that would be comparing like-for-like, it would be saying, how can you condemn our gulags when you yourselves also have gulags




saying "you protest the social issues in this game, but you don't have a moral leg to stand on because you also support gun ownership" = whataboutism

saying "why do you protest the social issues so hard in this particular game while ignoring the social issues in this other game" = fucking valid criticism

[joeboy101]

Uh-Oh. BCT found those earlier posts by TransERA and they are NOT happy.

Yeah, no. The black community on era doesn't appreciate you all co opting our struggle all damn day to throw a tantrum over fucking forum drama. A moderator banning you from a fucking video game forum is not even on the same planet as black pain.

I saw the nicca in here comparing the mods to police officers smacking protesters around too. Pound sand.

I don't think some people understand how disrespectful and hurtful it is to see Black death and brutalisation co-opted for grievances against internet forum staff. Please don't make light of our death and trauma. You can get whatever points you need to make across without doing that. I've seen many Black members express discomfort and anger over such comparisons.

in times like this i remember MLK Jr's letter from prison on hearing that Cyberpunk 2077 recent announcement for coming to current gen consoles of the NES. His excitement inspiring but we get to live his dream of playing it now so lets enjoy it don't ask for refunds

Fuck your edit and fuck you too. Stop equating the deaths of and brutality against Black people to your internet drama. If you want to defend a minority group, you can do it without marginalizing our struggle. I hope mods undo your edit and ban you.

Dear god i fucking hate white people

Just when I think we're wrapping up with the season, we get a swerve like this! BCT vs. TransERA!

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Cheering BCT on this one, fuck those comparisons.

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[Cauliflower Of Love]

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RISE UP

imagining trying to get a safe space from era.

[Uncle]

mods have been awful silent in the community criticism thread but they sure are quick to ban anyone co-opting the Black struggle all of a sudden...

 

shout out to my man metalslimer who always had his fingers in everybody's pies

[benita]

It's genuinely mind-blowing that you can post something dumb, realise it was over the line, edit it and apologise, AND ERA WILL UNDO THE FUCKING EDIT AND BAN YOU!!

[Uncle]

also those ban messages...

User Banned (permanent): inappropriate and inflammatory comparisons between forum drama and police brutality

interesting that mods now equate trans era's struggles with "forum drama," as in a bunch of textual internet bullshit that in no way really affects or endangers anyone

[Lonewulfeus]

Ban that mod for downplaying transphobia in the ban message!

[Uncle]

[Supermanisdead]

i must say this is quite exciting

[Tuckers Law]

BCT sees through all that toxic slickness, those posters weren't sly enough to get away with such dog whistles.

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I genuinely expected this to happen sooner, it’s been pretty wretched how much that group has tried bundling in their lunacy over perceived slights and forum drama with the conversation around real struggles faced by black Americans.

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[Averon]

It's genuinely mind-blowing that you can post something dumb, realise it was over the line, edit it and apologise, AND ERA WILL UNDO THE FUCKING EDIT AND BAN YOU!!

Yeah, it is bullshit, but a lot of these whiners getting clipped today celebrated that very kind of moderation when they thought it only applied to others they deemed as "trolls", "bad faith actors", and secret alt-right Nazis infiltrating ERA. Now that they are getting a bite of the bitter fruit they helped plant, I'm like whatever

[BIONIC]

They changed the “Doesn’t want to be here” perm to a 1 month for excessive hostility. Bitches 

[BIONIC]

Why won’t you guys just communicate with people? Why can’t you just post and be part of the community? I don’t get it. Is there something that says mods are no longer allowed to even participate in daily discussions?

They have outside lives? It's a volunteer position and I don't doubt many kind of don't want to spend their nights dealing with this. Running a large site on volunteer staff isn't as easy as some want to believe it is.

On the contrary, it's several times harder than my actual paying job.

It's 1 AM in the eastern US. Staff is probably pretty light right now.

[jorma]

Uh-Oh. BCT found those earlier posts by TransERA and they are NOT happy.

Yeah, no. The black community on era doesn't appreciate you all co opting our struggle all damn day to throw a tantrum over fucking forum drama. A moderator banning you from a fucking video game forum is not even on the same planet as black pain.

I saw the nicca in here comparing the mods to police officers smacking protesters around too. Pound sand.

I don't think some people understand how disrespectful and hurtful it is to see Black death and brutalisation co-opted for grievances against internet forum staff. Please don't make light of our death and trauma. You can get whatever points you need to make across without doing that. I've seen many Black members express discomfort and anger over such comparisons.

in times like this i remember MLK Jr's letter from prison on hearing that Cyberpunk 2077 recent announcement for coming to current gen consoles of the NES. His excitement inspiring but we get to live his dream of playing it now so lets enjoy it don't ask for refunds

Fuck your edit and fuck you too. Stop equating the deaths of and brutality against Black people to your internet drama. If you want to defend a minority group, you can do it without marginalizing our struggle. I hope mods undo your edit and ban you.

Dear god i fucking hate white people

Just when I think we're wrapping up with the season, we get a swerve like this! BCT vs. TransERA!

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spoiler (click to show/hide)

Cheering BCT on this one, fuck those comparisons.

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they'd be safe if they'd just kept comparing everything with Hitler, because for some reason that's not as offensive 

[Tektonic]

Hi all, just got back from a hard day pounding sand, what did I miss?

[benjipwns]

On the contrary, it's several times harder than my actual paying job.

haha what

[Pissy F Benny]

Sounds legit tho

I can’t imagine how much of a pain and irritance it must be to baby sit and appease the most dedicated lunatics of ree. The amount of reports and pms they get must be off the hook

[Pissy F Benny]

They had to negotiate terms for the main thread for a videogame in private like it was a peace treaty

[team filler]

there's 70 lunitics in the transera discord?  HOLY FUCKING SHIT, BREHS!! that's a goddamn terrorist organization 

[Tektonic]

My posts take a lot of energy, in fact, I think I'll have to go and lie down after just these few sentences.

Imagine writing the lengthy diatribes so common on ree!

[BIONIC]

there's 70 lunitics in the transera discord?  HOLY FUCKING SHIT, BREHS!! that's a goddamn terrorist organization 

TRANSIS 

[Pissy F Benny]

There’s only one human alive who is a big enough loser to be able to handle the time and energy it takes to moderate such a forum

[benjipwns]

[BIONIC]

I think we should take this to the Media, maybe the staff will take real actions then.

 

[ShutUp]

Members of the media reading an Era email or ten about the bad faith mods on their video game message board. Dear God please happen. 

[benjipwns]

Jason Schreier's next big scoop! Inside the CRUNCH of ResetERA.com moderation.