Doxxing Files |OT| Do not use a pandemic to make a platform wars thread

[cosmicblizzard]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservative-radio-host-phil-valentine-finally-dies-from-covid.474999/

On one hand, fuck this guy.  On the other, when's the last time you've actually seen a thread about someone dying on Era that didn't have the express purpose of grave dancing?  Maybe like 2 out of the last 20 had actual unironic RIP messages in them.  Just feels weird how the forum is turning into a place where a death is more likely to be a cause for celebration rather than mourning.  And with the obituary rule getting amended, there's enough plausible deniability for it to be perfectly okay. 

[Uncle]

John Rumata 

ngl I assumed M's first reply was a copypasta I just didn't know the context for

[M]

You bring up construction. What would you think if a US construction site was bringing in slaves from India and paying them 50% less than US workers?     

Drive past a Home Depot one of these days.  BTW, Don is in Italia, not the US.

Home depot is employing slaves through a agency in a developing nation that often sends underage people who get paid literally half what the exact same workers they are working with get paid?

Have you got a link on this? I am interested to look into it if it is indeed the case. Of course you don't have a link because you are tarkin rubbish. I have no doubt home depot is exploiting their workers, but nothing like what I mentioned. If they are, please give me a link.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/conservative-radio-host-phil-valentine-finally-dies-from-covid.474999/

On one hand, fuck this guy.  On the other, when's the last time you've actually seen a thread about someone dying on Era that didn't have the express purpose of grave dancing?  Maybe like 2 out of the last 20 had actual unironic RIP messages in them.  Just feels weird how the forum is turning into a place where a death is more likely to be a cause for celebration rather than mourning.  And with the obituary rule getting amended, there's enough plausible deniability for it to be perfectly okay.

Locked. They locked the death watch thread before he croaked, so maybe B-Dubs is trying to limit grave dancing

[Boredfrom]

John Halo Rumata

[Propagandhim]

You bring up construction. What would you think if a US construction site was bringing in slaves from India and paying them 50% less than US workers?     

Drive past a Home Depot one of these days.  BTW, Don is in Italia, not the US.

Home depot is employing slaves through a agency in a developing nation that often sends underage people who get paid literally half what the exact same workers they are working with get paid?

Have you got a link on this? I am interested to look into it if it is indeed the case. Of course you don't have a link because you are tarkin rubbish. I have no doubt home depot is exploiting their workers, but nothing like what I mentioned. If they are, please give me a link.

No, there are undocumented migrant workers lining up for manual labor jobs outside of Home Depots (at least here in NJ) - analogous to what you said about India and construction.   

[Nintex]

We're talking about the studio taking a 50% cut and then the cam site taking a 50% cut on top of that. Leaving the model with 25%.

A 25% take is decent all things considered.

Most people working for Amazon and such get like 0.0000000000000001% of the daily revenue.
Hell Hollywood actors don't even get 25% for the big movies they play in.

The box office take for Iron Man was $500 million, Robert Downey Jr. got 500k. That's 0.1%

[team filler]

these whores are overpaid 

[Propagandhim]

these whores are overpaid 

[Nintex]

Also all these thots basically flooded the market with cheap product degrading their own value.
They have no business sense.

Every OnlyFans is like 50%, 75% off or even totally free just to get their numbers up.
Then of course their real business is done in the DM's but that takes more time, effort and sometimes risk.

I remember when they all freaked out because 4chan wanted to report them to the IRS.

Is a 25% cut 'fair'?
I dunno but in the end it is probably more money than they would've earned on their own giving everything away for free.

[Transhuman]

Onlyfans only takes 20%. That's less than Cameo (25%). And i'm sure there's a hell of a lot more work and liability risks in Onlyfans. The only person I know with an Onlyfans account is my friemd's gf. She uses it to "check up on the trends" apparently. I probably know dudes who use it, they'd probably just never admit to it, though it's not like i'd ask them

[Uncle]

You bring up construction. What would you think if a US construction site was bringing in slaves from India and paying them 50% less than US workers?     

Drive past a Home Depot one of these days.  BTW, Don is in Italia, not the US.

Home depot is employing slaves through a agency in a developing nation that often sends underage people who get paid literally half what the exact same workers they are working with get paid?

Have you got a link on this? I am interested to look into it if it is indeed the case. Of course you don't have a link because you are tarkin rubbish. I have no doubt home depot is exploiting their workers, but nothing like what I mentioned. If they are, please give me a link.

No, there are undocumented migrant workers lining up for manual labor jobs outside of Home Depots (at least here in NJ) - analogous to what you said about India and construction.

[FUME5]

We're at the no ethical consumption of porn under capitalism phase already?

Nice.

[Propagandhim]

 

"...and yet you love fat tiddies.  Curious!"

[Tasty]

headwalk is outchea robbing banks 

Eat the rich

[Tasty]

We're at the no ethical consumption of porn under capitalism phase already?

Nice.

69 years earlier than most estimates

[paprikastaude]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/seriously-what’s-the-deal-with-the-pokémon-company-gamefreak’s-amateur-design-decisions.474957/page-5

closed. They literally can't handle anything close to criticism on this zero effort franchise for kids Absolute manbaby forum. Next up: Say mean thing about pokeman = nazi. (Actually they were already there yesterday)

[Boredfrom]

User warned: antagonizing other users

Some people here defend pokemon like if it were their mothers lol. There us one guy that earn money from a pokemon website, ok, I can understand that, the guy needs to eat, but the others are pathetic.

Batting for Serebii of all people.

Explaining != Defending

 

[Tasty]

Serebii is a weirdo and a giant prick. And I say this based on pre-RE info.

[Uncle]

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/MKUltraMoney/status/1429300818956759043

[Don Rumata]

You bring up construction. What would you think if a US construction site was bringing in slaves from India and paying them 50% less than US workers? You would be outraged so why are you not outraged over it happening to sex workers in US platforms?

Ya, imagine if the a Western, developed nation, exploited poorer labor from abroad, we'd be all up in arms! 
You're clowning, alright. But it's the shit thread, so touché. 

John Rumata 

Updating my user title. 

[Don Rumata]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/seriously-what’s-the-deal-with-the-pokémon-company-gamefreak’s-amateur-design-decisions.474957/page-5

closed. They literally can't handle anything close to criticism on this zero effort franchise for kids Absolute manbaby forum. Next up: Say mean thing about pokeman = nazi. (Actually they were already there yesterday)

I see that argument about "there are too many Pokemon to produce decent assets for them!", every time the topic of how shitty these games are, comes up.
Now i'm no expert, i only played one game (Pokemon Red, like, 20 years ago), but do you need to put all of the thousand PK in every game? Wouldn't you want a game with 100 or a 150 of them, but done with BotW levels of production value? Who's forcing them to put every single one in? Especially when you could put a fraction and sell the others as DLC, down the line.

[HardcoreRetro]

Sword and Shield already did that, yet they still looked like crap.

[Don Rumata]

Sword and Shield already did that, yet they still looked like crap.

Yeah, it's pretty obvious that's just an excuse, they just don't have the level of expertise to be build an up to standards game.
Now, if only they had money to hire people... 

[M]

You bring up construction. What would you think if a US construction site was bringing in slaves from India and paying them 50% less than US workers? You would be outraged so why are you not outraged over it happening to sex workers in US platforms?

Ya, imagine if the a Western, developed nation, exploited poorer labor from abroad, we'd be all up in arms! 
You're clowning, alright. But it's the shit thread, so touché. 

John Rumata 

Updating my user title. 

You are aware you created this strawman? People like you are clueless to sex work. Start speaking to sex workers. Especially those in Colombia.

I can link you with the Colombian studios that are exploiting women who are often underage on platforms like OF and MFC. It gets ignored. If you want to continue your strawman on construction, you can link me to construction sites in developed nations that are using underage labour from developing nations. We can talk about sweatshops, and Chinese companies exploiting for US companies, but where is it going? What is your point?

I can link you the studios in Colombia doing this. I can show you the camsites filled with it and nothing being done. Your strawman here does not work, but rather proves your argument wrong doesn't it? Instead of defending the industry of sex work, you strawmanned a discussion about slave labour in other industries, which is very well known. You are a typical sex work apologist. I suggest you stop johning and speak to sex workers and their experiences.

Do you think it is fair that a camsite gets 50% the studio gets 25-30% and the cam model gets 20-25%? You don't. Then don't defend it with this whataboutism. Instead, call it out. Do not jump to defend it because you feel you need to defend sex work. Sex work is filled with this utter shite, and it needs to be called out constantly. Instead, you are more concerned with strawmanning and calling me a clown for bringing it up. You're not helping sex workers here, fam. You have built this narrative on sex work from some liberal agenda on twitter. You feel you have to defend sex work to protect sex workers. No amount of strawmanning, calling me a clown is going to help sex workers. Call out the issues within sex work the same way you called out the issues within other industries. Do not shy away from it for fear of being attacked over it and called an incel.

[Transhuman]

I can link you with the Colombian studios that are exploiting women who are often underage

...

I can link you the studios in Colombia doing this.

 

[Don Rumata]

My dude, it's was funny at first, now you're starting to sound genuinely mentally ill. 

[FUME5]

Is that cindy

[Snoopycat_]

Ree's ability to find misery in anything continues as Tom Cruise drives a train off a cliff

What a fucking waste of resources. This is why the Earth is doomed, because men build million dollar equipment for the sole purpose of destroying it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-they-launched-a-train-off-a-cliff-to-film-a-scene-for-the-next-mission-impossible-movie.474984/

[Don Rumata]

Ree's ability to find misery in anything continues as Tom Cruise drives a train off a cliff

What a fucking waste of resources. This is why the Earth is doomed, because men build million dollar equipment for the sole purpose of destroying it.

(Image removed from quote.)


https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-they-launched-a-train-off-a-cliff-to-film-a-scene-for-the-next-mission-impossible-movie.474984/

Lol, it even looks like an old piece of junk that was probably due to being shredded into garbage.
They make it sound like they trashed a newly built bullet train.

[Nintex]

Columbian camsites with underage models? That is quite a niche fetish at this place with all the weebs, big milkers fans and hog enjoyers I imagine.

I'm sure that there's a group trying to exploit OnlyFans and whatnot but that goes for every platform.
Should we shutdown YouTube because the Taliban shares their content on it?
Should we ban cars because bankrobbers drive them?
Should we ban Pokemon because pedo's play it?

Whenever humanity creates something corruption and exploitating will follow.

There was actually a decent piece the other day about how the 'worst' content (fake news, advertorials etc.) is free while the best content and in depth research and scientific reports are locked behind a gauntlet of paywalls and subscriptions.
So ultimately people that don't have money to spend or don't want to subscribe to curated platforms are much more likely to find material that is A) illegal or B) disinformation. And search engines of course also prefer full articles vs. paywalls.
I imagine the same is going on with porn. It is more likely you will stumble upon Columbian cam girls promoted on a random Reddit, than it is on a subscription service.
What these platforms can easily tackle (but don't) is the insane ammount of spam with shady links that lead to shady websites. It is as simple as blocking duplicate posts from one user.

[M]

Columbian camsites with underage models? That is quite a niche fetish at this place with all the weebs, big milkers fans and hog enjoyers I imagine.

I'm sure that there's a group trying to exploit OnlyFans and whatnot but that goes for every platform.
Should we shutdown YouTube because the Taliban shares their content on it?
Should we ban cars because bankrobbers drive them?
Should we ban Pokemon because pedo's play it?

Whenever humanity creates something corruption and exploitating will follow.

There was actually a decent piece the other day about how the 'worst' content (fake news, advertorials etc.) is free while the best content and in depth research and scientific reports are locked behind a gauntlet of paywalls and subscriptions.
So ultimately people that don't have money to spend or don't want to subscribe to curated platforms are much more likely to find material that is A) illegal or B) disinformation. And search engines of course also prefer full articles vs. paywalls.
I imagine the same is going on with porn. It is more likely you will stumble upon Columbian cam girls promoted on a random Reddit, than it is on a subscription service.
What these platforms can easily tackle (but don't) is the insane ammount of spam with shady links that lead to shady websites. It is as simple as blocking duplicate posts from one user.

It's not a specific camsite. Go check MFC, chaturbate etc. You will see them. They are far more common than other models. It is huge. Google it. Look into it before commenting on it. Go look into Colombian studios. Or don't. Because you don't really care. It's cool.

The studios are run by pimps, who provide equipment to women to stream. Because in Colombia most people who go into this work are too poor to afford the equipment needed. The trouble is, Colombia gon Colombia. And you have situations, where these studios are all signed up to huge US camsites, and doing what they want, basically. They are not stringent on checking ID. They pay their workers 20% of the revenue they make. They take 50-60% on top of the 50% the cam sites take. This is all common place on camsites. It is more common than independent models. They call Colombia the sex work capital of the world for a reason. Like 40% of all cam models on these sites come from that country.

It's a legit big issue. And nothing is ever said about it. When somebody does mention it, they get shut down as a SWERF or whatever buzzword is being passed around.

You comparisons would make sense, if they were as common as this issue. They're not. If YT front page was filled with Taliban content for everyone, you would be asking big questions. If 40% of cars were being used to rob banks, you would ask questions. If 40% of people who played Pokemon were pedophiles, you would ask questions.

My dude, it's was funny at first, now you're starting to sound genuinely mentally ill. 

It was never funny, fam. Exploitation is not funny. You can try and shut me down with this nonsense. I'm not funny. My posts are not funny. If you find sex work and exploitation within funny, seek help. You are the mentally ill one. You know you are not familiar enough with the topic you are speaking on, so you choose to strawman and then play it off, calling me mentally ill. Doesn't work on me. You can drop it by just not replying. No need for comments like this.

[Don Rumata]

It's either that, or you're just plain trolling, pick whichever you find to be the most charitable interpretation.

Also since you're in the mood to look up stuff, look up what "strawman" means, you seem to be using it at random.

[Nintex]

Maybe you're being hit with confirmation bias from the algorithms.
Just opened up Chaturbate (incognito, to make sure that no other preferences or ads are loaded in) and I don't see any Columbians.
I get a parade of white 20 - 25 year old fit girls with #bigboobs which is maybe what it defaults to for this area?

This is basically the first row with various levels of cleavage, spreading or clothing.
 

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

#asian is the first hashtag though followed by #bigboobs #milf and the usual keywords.
I usually don't click general 'asian' because that is a can worms in its own right.

If I would start searching for Columbians or perhaps Latina or something, I'm sure I would find them but they're not featured on the first page at all.
For you it might look like a Columbian brothel based on what you searched for or your location and some times these algorithms just play tricks on you.
Is your homepage remotely similar to what I describe?

[M]

Yes, the front page is usually featured with th highest amount of viewers? Colombians usually don't get the highest viewers because they are not promoted. Look deeper and you will see a common theme of Colombians being extremely common. You don't have to look though. You can just Google it. Google the sex industry in Colombia, which you keep spelling incorrectly by the way.

I am in contact with many sex workers from Colombia. This is not some crazy conspiracy I have made up based on algorithms. I have been looking into this and alerting many camsites of it for years now. I can probably message you some of the responses I got from the sites.

It's either that, or you're just plain trolling, pick whichever you find to be the most charitable interpretation.

Also since you're in the mood to look up stuff, look up what "strawman" means, you seem to be using it at random.

Now is when you stop, fam. This doesn't work on me. Take the butthurt elsewhere, but if you want to discuss this with me you can. Calling me a troll, mentally ill and all that nonsense because you are ashamed of being a John doesn't work. Never will. It's cool. You like to use exploited sex workers. You're a John. It's cool. Keep it to yourself. You cam across somebody more familiar on this subject than you. It's cool. No amount of Johning will change that. Instead, look I to what I say, listen to sex workers and apply it moving forward. If you think I am trolling, making things up, point out what I am making up or trolling. We're not angry here, but you are presenting with a high level of butthurt when your Johning was questioned. I do not approve.

[Nintex]

I can probably message you some of the responses I got from the sites.

I'm curious as to how they defend themselves in cases like this.

[HaughtyFrank]

Excel again with the random outrage about a nobody

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lesson-of-the-day-in-response-to-a-wholesome-question-on-twitter-dont-answer-hitler-film-critic-scott-mendelson-did-not-learn-this-lesson.475143/

[Don Rumata]

I do not approve.

I guess that's just something i will have to learn to live with, in my Johnery ways. 

I gave you my serious answer, i made my point pretty clear in the first post, didn't see a point in endlessly repeating it, when you seemed not interested in addressing it at all, just to parrot your unrelated bullet points about Colombia's crime stats (and one day maybe you'll explain why someone in Paris shouldn't be allowed to freely sell a photo of their snatch/dick, because of Colombia's problem).
From the start you disingenuously painted the whole of sex work as represented by a fraction of it, or ranted about Johns and Liberals (i assume your own personal demons to deal with).

I mostly see the old trite patronizing bullshit about "degenerate sex work" in your posts, with the sex trafficking argument tacked on for good measure.
But you know full well no one here supports sex trafficking, you know full well (since it was also explicitly stated) we're talking about consenting adult's right to do what they will with their bodies.
You just decide to ignore it, either because you've got some personal obsession or because you're bullshitting.
Hence my conclusion. 

[Risible]

Columbian camsites with underage models? That is quite a niche fetish at this place with all the weebs, big milkers fans and hog enjoyers I imagine.

I'm sure that there's a group trying to exploit OnlyFans and whatnot but that goes for every platform.
Should we shutdown YouTube because the Taliban shares their content on it?
Should we ban cars because bankrobbers drive them?
Should we ban Pokemon because pedo's play it?

Whenever humanity creates something corruption and exploitating will follow.

There was actually a decent piece the other day about how the 'worst' content (fake news, advertorials etc.) is free while the best content and in depth research and scientific reports are locked behind a gauntlet of paywalls and subscriptions.
So ultimately people that don't have money to spend or don't want to subscribe to curated platforms are much more likely to find material that is A) illegal or B) disinformation. And search engines of course also prefer full articles vs. paywalls.
I imagine the same is going on with porn. It is more likely you will stumble upon Columbian cam girls promoted on a random Reddit, than it is on a subscription service.
What these platforms can easily tackle (but don't) is the insane ammount of spam with shady links that lead to shady websites. It is as simple as blocking duplicate posts from one user.

It's not a specific camsite. Go check MFC, chaturbate etc. You will see them. They are far more common than other models. It is huge. Google it. Look into it before commenting on it. Go look into Colombian studios. Or don't. Because you don't really care. It's cool.

The studios are run by pimps, who provide equipment to women to stream. Because in Colombia most people who go into this work are too poor to afford the equipment needed. The trouble is, Colombia gon Colombia. And you have situations, where these studios are all signed up to huge US camsites, and doing what they want, basically. They are not stringent on checking ID. They pay their workers 20% of the revenue they make. They take 50-60% on top of the 50% the cam sites take. This is all common place on camsites. It is more common than independent models. They call Colombia the sex work capital of the world for a reason. Like 40% of all cam models on these sites come from that country.

It's a legit big issue. And nothing is ever said about it. When somebody does mention it, they get shut down as a SWERF or whatever buzzword is being passed around.

You comparisons would make sense, if they were as common as this issue. They're not. If YT front page was filled with Taliban content for everyone, you would be asking big questions. If 40% of cars were being used to rob banks, you would ask questions. If 40% of people who played Pokemon were pedophiles, you would ask questions.

My dude, it's was funny at first, now you're starting to sound genuinely mentally ill. 

It was never funny, fam. Exploitation is not funny. You can try and shut me down with this nonsense. I'm not funny. My posts are not funny. If you find sex work and exploitation within funny, seek help. You are the mentally ill one. You know you are not familiar enough with the topic you are speaking on, so you choose to strawman and then play it off, calling me mentally ill. Doesn't work on me. You can drop it by just not replying. No need for comments like this.

FFS, go back to Ree and take your giant wall of text care posts with you.  Demi, please beat whoever vetted this twat. 

[HaughtyFrank]

"We want twitch tags for every sexual identity under the sun!!"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/psa-twitch-streamers-be-aware-of-hate-raids-some-suggestions-to-help-protect-yourself.475179/

 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

strawman

apologist

whataboutism

fam

narrative

liberal agenda

incel

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Excel again with the random outrage about a nobody

https://www.resetera.com/threads/lesson-of-the-day-in-response-to-a-wholesome-question-on-twitter-dont-answer-hitler-film-critic-scott-mendelson-did-not-learn-this-lesson.475143/

Incelchief is on a tear today, shitting out awful backfirey threads

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-young-turks-ana-kasparian-goes-on-a-la-local-news-show-to-endorse-the-recall-of-newsom.474954/
 - "Just because you agree with 'the other team' doesn't mean you should publicly agree with 'the other team'"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-official-this-song-is-catchy-as-fuck-but-man-is-it-sketchy-thread.475113/
 - "Lets find old stuff to cancel!"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-think-the-nyt-would-ever-tweet-about-rock-music-the-way-they-just-tweeted-about-rap-music.475089/
 - "I'm an actual moron, the thread"

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-media-is-now-sanitizing-low-wages-by-declaring-it-a-youth-trend-polywork.475098/
 - "And by 'the media', I mean a couple of outlets, so let me threadshit links because Im getting called out"

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

”You are not Alone” sung by Michael Jackson and written by R. Kelly was Kelly’s message to Jackson that he too liked underage children. I mean, this was at the height of the Michael Jackson scandals and Kelly was married to 15 year old Aaliyah at the time.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

The caucasity of it all.

the first rapper in years with something to say. And by “with something to say”, I mean not black.

Turns out he's black!

I may be coming around tbh

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/avis-steals-car-it-rented-to-customer-charges-him-and-ghosts-him-until-twitter-thread-blows-up-and-media-takes-interest.474702/

Weird story

Read the thread title and knew this had to be happening to a black man. Only we attract this level of fuckery.

weird mod response

[M]

I do not approve.

I guess that's just something i will have to learn to live with, in my Johnery ways. 

I gave you my serious answer, i made my point pretty clear in the first post, didn't see a point in endlessly repeating it, when you seemed not interested in addressing it at all, just to parrot your unrelated bullet points about Colombia's crime stats (and one day maybe you'll explain why someone in Paris shouldn't be allowed to freely sell a photo of their snatch/dick, because of Colombia's problem).
From the start you disingenuously painted the whole of sex work as represented by a fraction of it, or ranted about Johns and Liberals (i assume your own personal demons to deal with).

I mostly see the old trite patronizing bullshit about "degenerate sex work" in your posts, with the sex trafficking argument tacked on for good measure.
But you know full well no one here supports sex trafficking, you know full well (since it was also explicitly stated) we're talking about consenting adult's right to do what they will with their bodies.
You just decide to ignore it, either because you've got some personal obsession or because you're bullshitting.
Hence my conclusion. 

To be clear to you, as I have mentioned multiple times in my posts, I do not want OF shut down. I mentioned that. I will not support that site, but it is needed for many women. I said this. I am not against sex work, but rather the issues within it. You should perhaps read my posts instead of getting upset and putting words into my mouth.

It's hilarious to me that I spend so much time speaking with sex workers and taking notice to all the issues within it, and you think you can come along with some nonsense and shut it all down. You should look more deeply into sex work, and the issues within it. As far as consenting adults, you are again showing where your morality is on this issue. If you feel it is okay for an 18 year old to turn 18 ad make an OF on her birthday because she is a consenting adult, that's on you. I call stuff like that out. It's honestly very frustrating to speak to people like you on this twisting my words, and painting me as some crazy lunatic against sex work and sex workers. It is typical of the agenda you push. I am not against sex workers, but rather want better for them. I don't wat camsites to be filled with Colombians getting exploited. If you want to strawman an argument about iPhones instead of discussing that issue, that is on you. I suggest you stop.

1) I am not against sex work.

2) I support sex workers.

3) I do not want OF shut down.

Just to be very clear to you, as you seem to struggle with comprehension. What I do want is far more regulation. I want these sites to take far more care for the sex workers on their platform. I do not support OF, MFC or Chaturbate, but I do not want them shut down. It's a very hard and tricky situation to manoeuvre around. These companies are clearly scum, but to have them shut down with no clear alternative for sex workers is not the answer and never will be. I do not want them shut down, but I will bring light on the awful things that go on on the platforms. You jumping at me and painting me out to be some lunatic against sex work will not work. That is not what I am. I have told you that since the start. Look more deeply into what you are talking about. Don't let people on here calling me out convince you that you are right. Look more deeply into what you are talking about. Please. I am just some random guy who turns up once a year to talk about sex work. Nobody on here likes or gives a fuck about me.

I am not sure why I am being associated with Resetera by others in here either. Again, no. Take my argument to resetera and I will be banned immediately. Your argument would not be. I literally get banned every time I make more than 2 posts on there.

[Nintex]

Johns and Liberals

Maybe the Colombian thots can date the Brazilian truckers instead of going on cam sites 

[Don Rumata]

Nobody on here likes or gives a fuck about me.

I do, what's your OF? 

[M]

Nobody on here likes or gives a fuck about me.

I do, what's your OF? 

I got banned for scamming them about 6 months ago.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

If you feel it is okay for an 18 year old to turn 18 ad make an OF on her birthday because she is a consenting adult, that's on you.

Why is that not okay...?

[M]

If you feel it is okay for an 18 year old to turn 18 ad make an OF on her birthday because she is a consenting adult, that's on you.

Why is that not okay...?

Do you consider 18 year olds adults? They are legally adults, but biologically? No. Mentally, 18 year olds are not nearly mentally developed enough to be making decisions that impact their life in the long term. You will bring up the army or something, and yes, it applies to that too.

I think it should be 21 minimum. But that is not exactly ideal.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

For legal reasons it is necessary to make a divide between 'legally responsible' and 'not legally responsible' and that line has to be entirely arbitrary for the purposes of law making, because humans are all different and mature at different rates; for the US, that line for sexual activity is drawn at 18.
Many countries in the world have that line lower, and don't kid yourself that there aren't voluntarily sexually active <18 year olds in the US.

Whats your counter proposal? Adulthood isn't legally reached until you're in your mid twenties, and are therefore inelligible to vote, sign contracts, be employed, have consensual sex, get married, join the army, drink and/or smoke, be capable of being prosecuted for crimes, drive a vehicle, or any other activity where you need to take personal responsibility of your choices for?

[Boredfrom]

If you feel it is okay for an 18 year old to turn 18 ad make an OF on her birthday because she is a consenting adult, that's on you.

Why is that not okay...?

Do you consider 18 year olds adults? They are legally adults, but biologically? No. Mentally, 18 year olds are not nearly mentally developed enough to be making decisions that impact their life in the long term. You will bring up the army or something, and yes, it applies to that too.

I think it should be 21 minimum. But that is not exactly ideal.

Are you Cream?

[M]

For legal reasons it is necessary to make a divide between 'legally responsible' and 'not legally responsible' and that line has to be entirely arbitrary for the purposes of law making, because humans are all different and mature at different rates; for the US, that line for sexual activity is drawn at 18.
Many countries in the world have that line lower, and don't kid yourself that there aren't voluntarily sexually active <18 year olds in the US.

Whats your counter proposal? Adulthood isn't legally reached until you're in your mid twenties, and are therefore inelligible to vote, sign contracts, be employed, have consensual sex, get married, join the army, drink and/or smoke, be capable of being prosecuted for crimes, drive a vehicle, or any other activity where you need to take personal responsibility of your choices for?

But even in law, 18 year olds are not usually considered adults. They are usually treated as 'young adults' and tried as such. In law, somebody is not tried as full adult until 25, and will be sent to a prison with 18-25 year olds if sentenced to prison under 25. This is the case in the UK.

Again, you are bringing up things that are irrelevant, as I said you would. I do think they have the right to vote. I do think they can have sex. I do think they can be employed. I do think they can drink. Join the army? No. Sex work? No. Sex work is a big decision that often impacts the long term prospects of those involved. It's not a decision an 18 year old can make. People do indeed mature at different rates, but even mature 18 year olds are not wise enough. It is something that impacts them long term and can impact career prospects. That is before the moral issue of grown men preying on teens.

Making arguments for 18 year olds making an OF on their birthday is very suspect of you.

[Lonewulfeus]

James has been strangely quiet here, I have to imagine he’s slid into M’s pms for the details on these underage cam girls by now.

[Boredfrom]

John Sage, M is a fucking obvious Troll (or a big idiot), just don’t answer their post.

[Nintex]

If you feel it is okay for an 18 year old to turn 18 ad make an OF on her birthday because she is a consenting adult, that's on you.

Why is that not okay...?

Do you consider 18 year olds adults? They are legally adults, but biologically? No.

This opens a new can of worms. When is one a biologically adult.
For women the 'biological' answer seems to be 'as soon as they can have children', which is when the clock starts ticking and in a number of countries we in the west consider "backwards" in Africa, Asia and the Middle East that is how they feel about it.
Others argue that genders don't exist and thus there is no such as thing as 'being biologically adult'. After all you can identify as a woman at age 6 without any of the biological necesseties.
I think that given how society works and where 18 year olds usually are in their life, 18 makes sense.

Mentally, 18 year olds are not nearly mentally developed enough to be making decisions that impact their life in the long term.

Most people aren't at any age. In fact if we would knew the outcome of our decisions we probably wouldn't be making any.

You will bring up the army or something, and yes, it applies to that too.

I think it should be 21 minimum.

It's often already difficult for parents/teachers to control 16 year olds that want to go out and party, let alone 21 year olds.
I think it would hurt more people than it would help.

I don't think the minimum age of consent is the problem here.
The real 'issue' (although some would argue that it isn't a problem) is that most thots seem to follow the exact same internet career path.
Facebook/Instagram -> YouTube/Twitch -> Patreon -> TikTok / Snapchat -> OnlyFans -> Promoting their content, casually dating on Reddit/Twitter/Tinder etc. -> Pornhub

The likes they used to get from friends in school are gradually replaced by subscribers and money.
Facebook/Instagram or rather any platform focused on sharing your private life and being rewarded with attention is a gateway drug to OnlyFans and creating adult content.
But of course we don't know if they would've headed for a stripclub, sugar daddy or a brothel anyway if these new opportunities didn't exist.
And then some would argue that being your own publisher and controlling what and how you share your content is the better alternative than the options they had before.

It always reminds me of those stories of Hollywood, where girls with dreams and fantasies would flock to LA thinking they'd be the next star, only to end up dancing in some bar or worse.

[team filler]

Nobody on here likes or gives a fuck about me.

I do, what's your OF? 

I got banned for scamming them about 6 months ago.

valk? 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

But even in law, 18 year olds are not usually considered adults. They are usually treated as 'young adults' and tried as such. In law, somebody is not tried as full adult until 25, and will be sent to a prison with 18-25 year olds if sentenced to prison under 25. This is the case in the UK.

No it isn't; you're criminally treated as a "full adult" doe anything you do at 18, they just send you to a young offenders prison because there's a kind of tacit acknowledgment that prison is inherently not the rehabilitative space it should be, and after that theres such a high chance of recidivism they don't even bother any more.
Source for UK age of criminal responsibility

Again, you are bringing up things that are irrelevant, as I said you would. I do think they have the right to vote. I do think they can have sex. I do think they can be employed. I do think they can drink. Join the army? No. Sex work? No. Sex work is a big decision that often impacts the long term prospects of those involved. It's not a decision an 18 year old can make. People do indeed mature at different rates, but even mature 18 year olds are not wise enough. It is something that impacts them long term and can impact career prospects. That is before the moral issue of grown men preying on teens.

Taking personal responsibility for your life choices is literally the point you are debating; its hardly irrelevant.
Signing up for a mortgage at 20 is a long term commitment that can affect your career prospects, people should be legally prevented from home ownership until they hit a certain age?

Choosing to study The Sociology Of Miley Cyrus: Race, Class, Gender, And Media at college instead of something with vocational application is a long term decision that can impact career prospects; do we prevent people from higher education until they're old enough and wise enough to only pick a course that will benefit them in the long term? Is that the sole purpose of education?

You can argue that you think the age of legal responsibility should be higher, but thats what you are actually arguing for; that people below your arbitrary threshold have diminished capacity and should not be treated as adults or be held liable for their decisions, for good or ill.

Making arguments for 18 year olds making an OF on their birthday is very suspect of you.