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Re: Econ |OT| Paper Mario and the Trillion Dollar Coin
« Reply #60 on: March 25, 2020, 01:47:02 PM »
lol you want that Benz or Beamer regardless, have fun driving PSA made shitboxes Europe. :heh

Germany will keep the Eurozone hooked on their credit, they will never sign a common debt issuance, even if that results in tanking the Euro and an outcry from parts of the electorate who went ballistic during the Greece crisis.
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Re: Econ |OT| Paper Mario and the Trillion Dollar Coin
« Reply #61 on: March 27, 2020, 04:44:42 AM »
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If Germany, NL et al turn them down it will be huge!

In the midst of the corona crisis the Dutch are not taking on the French debt and the French will never accept the price the Germans want them to pay which is sound fiscal policy :snob
After a 6 hour video call last night the Dutch and Germans blocked the Eurobonds

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Re: Econ |OT| maybe we should stop doing mortgage backed securities
« Reply #62 on: March 30, 2020, 03:04:47 AM »
Maybe the member banks should have informed them about it first. :karen

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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #63 on: March 30, 2020, 10:01:21 AM »
Don't worry we'll just brrrrrrrrr

The Democrats will accept another $5 trillion bailout if *checks notes* solar panels are subsidized again and Boeing reduces carbon emissions.
Also every American will get more direct help as they receive a free coupon to get 1 Happy Meal or Subway Sandwich delivered.
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #64 on: March 30, 2020, 02:22:49 PM »

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« Reply #65 on: March 30, 2020, 09:29:01 PM »
Tabris just had a heart attack. He doesn't even visit here but he just knew.

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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #66 on: March 30, 2020, 09:39:03 PM »
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/30/business/economy/coronavirus-economic-stimulus-taxes.html

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WASHINGTON — As lawmakers prepare for another round of fiscal stimulus to address economic fallout from the coronavirus pandemic, Speaker Nancy Pelosi suggested the next package include a retroactive rollback of a tax change that hurt high earners in states like New York and California.

The move to lift a limit on the state and local tax deduction, or SALT, would provide a quick cash infusion in the form of increased tax rebates to an estimated 13 million American households — nearly all of which earn at least $100,000 a year. More than half the benefits of such an effort would go to millionaires.

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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #67 on: April 01, 2020, 05:45:54 PM »
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In a more modest plan, the Dutch government wants the EU to set up a smaller €10-€20bn fund to be “donated” to southern economies fighting the pandemic.
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Klaus Regling, ESM managing director, said this week that it would take up to three years to set up a new European institution to issue coronabonds.
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This will end with Mark Rutte as the President of the European Federation.
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #68 on: April 07, 2020, 04:15:23 AM »
got a hot tip about the economy through 2026 thanks to an insider, how do i short stonks for "the economy"
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #69 on: April 07, 2020, 07:37:18 AM »
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Never underestimate the spending of a drunk  :mynicca
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« Reply #70 on: April 07, 2020, 02:41:39 PM »
Nothing, China, Russia and the poors should just accept that the EU and US are going to brrrrrrrr more money into existence and get a 'free money card' this year because Corona is difficult.
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #71 on: April 08, 2020, 02:04:34 PM »
I think France is already officially in recession according to our local statistical offices and the talking point of "biggest economic slowdown since 1945" has been thrown out here.
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« Reply #72 on: April 08, 2020, 02:18:27 PM »
I think France is already officially in recession according to our local statistical offices and the talking point of "biggest economic slowdown since 1945" has been thrown out here.
Some parties here want some sort of economic 'kickstart' but it's not exactly clear what it would look like.
Other than that we're mostly hard at work blocking Eurobonds and debt relief for Italy and Spain from every possible angle.
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #73 on: April 08, 2020, 02:32:37 PM »
It's gonna be a bit difficult to kick-start anything while the live entertainment & hospitality sector are 100% closed. Hopefully in France and countries with similar schemes for benefits, a lot of people will have some disposable income to burn that they couldn't use for two months but it's going to be a white year for tourism, sports, etc...
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #74 on: April 09, 2020, 03:11:13 AM »
In Europe there's a lot of museums, local restaurants and other small business barely running a profit which unlike some miracle happens will all go under. I read that Oxfam Novib expects 500 million people will be pushed back into poverty reversing 10 years of improved welfare in the poorest areas of the world.
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« Reply #75 on: April 09, 2020, 01:22:14 PM »
Where are my boris bucks  :uguu
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« Reply #76 on: April 09, 2020, 01:57:22 PM »
Today the Dutch government wired the first 280 million or so in aid to companies with about 700 million in requests already in.
It basically works like this, you fill in last years revenue, you fill in your expected revenue over the next 3 months and they pay for up to 90% of all the wages in advance.

The only condition is that:
1. You don't fire anyone
2. You pay back the money in case revenues are better than expected

There's also the quick relief fund, this allows small businesses to collect 4000 Euro immediately no strings attached to pay for rent and such.
And of course loan guarantees.

It's early days but for now that might mitigate some of the economic blows. However we will have to learn to live in a 'social distancing' society even if the regulations are lifted.
Our PM basically said that we shouldn't expect to see crowded trains and festival for years and it'll probably never be the same after this.
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« Reply #77 on: April 09, 2020, 02:35:52 PM »
https://twitter.com/JavierBlas/status/1248284882834534402

How flexible is the production pipeline ? We always hear about OPEC or the Saudis deciding to open or close the faucet but I imagine decreasing in a pinch is maybe not feasible...
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« Reply #78 on: April 09, 2020, 06:25:13 PM »
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #79 on: April 10, 2020, 09:06:47 AM »
On the bright side : Numbers & Stonks can only go up from there. Schopenhauer ! Schumpeter ! Wurst !
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #81 on: April 17, 2020, 02:34:14 AM »
what the current corona virus meta for investments?

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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #82 on: April 20, 2020, 07:51:57 AM »

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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #84 on: April 20, 2020, 01:43:18 PM »
https://twitter.com/mehdikara27/status/1252291177531019267

I don't mean to be crude, but the economy is fucked.
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #86 on: April 20, 2020, 02:31:33 PM »
So that's 3 fries, 2 hamburgers and 2 boxes of McNuggets for a total of $19.89 would you like a free BARREL OF OIL with that sir?
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« Reply #88 on: April 20, 2020, 02:36:08 PM »
BREAKING
Putin and MBS just shot themselves in the head

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Trump announces purchase of 1 million barrels of oil for $5.78 every US household receives a free BARREL OF OIL THIS WEEK. Sign up now on freeoil.gov 
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #89 on: April 20, 2020, 02:39:25 PM »
Not if you just plan to just forgive that debt so oil CEOs can afford their bonuses. 

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« Reply #90 on: April 20, 2020, 02:41:22 PM »
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« Reply #92 on: April 20, 2020, 02:43:05 PM »
TBH, I'd rather see Canadian nationalization of oil than for it to collapse as it is a national security issue and we should keep production capabilities.  We are going to need oil for a long time still so the argument that is will be good environmentally is not really valid. 

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« Reply #93 on: April 20, 2020, 02:48:38 PM »
The real issue with low prices is what that does to the income of specific regions. It'll be extremely bad
Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, who will go down first?  :doge
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« Reply #94 on: April 20, 2020, 02:51:26 PM »
The real issue with low prices is what that does to the income of specific regions. It'll be extremely bad
I mean if it doesn't recover pumping oil won't be economically viable, plus now you will have countries sitting on huge stocks they need to burn through before they get back to buying oil at regular prices. I don't see demand recovering for a while as I don't see lockdowns going away soon

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« Reply #95 on: April 20, 2020, 02:52:35 PM »
The real issue with low prices is what that does to the income of specific regions. It'll be extremely bad
Venezuela, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, who will go down first?  :doge
Saudi Arabia and Russia will be fine, they are actually the people driving this and I can't see their endgame being 'well now we're fucked'

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« Reply #96 on: April 20, 2020, 02:53:49 PM »
@1:50 US oil people talking about the impact on US energy

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« Reply #97 on: April 20, 2020, 03:00:11 PM »
@1:50 US oil people talking about the impact on US energy



So much ball washing. It's unwatchable.  :yuck
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« Reply #98 on: April 20, 2020, 03:07:29 PM »
@1:50 US oil people talking about the impact on US energy



So much ball washing. It's unwatchable.  :yuck
I just mentally blocked every time they praised Trump lmao

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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #99 on: April 20, 2020, 03:10:14 PM »
Wasn't it about 13 years ago, oil was selling at $140 a barrel? The whole system is bullshit.
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« Reply #100 on: April 20, 2020, 03:11:51 PM »
"Thank you for sending us ventilators so soon Mr. Trump!"
"My pleasure Macron, please use them to save your great people!"

"Mr. Trump, we got your containers but they're stacked with barrels of oil...."
"Oops sorry, must've mixed up the shipments"
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« Reply #101 on: April 20, 2020, 03:12:54 PM »
I mean if it doesn't recover pumping oil won't be economically viable, plus now you will have countries sitting on huge stocks they need to burn through before they get back to buying oil at regular prices. I don't see demand recovering for a while as I don't see lockdowns going away soon
What governments should be doing is what they are doing: purchasing oil for strategic reserves so that the glut can be distributed more orderly over a larger period of time and production doesn't have to shut on and off. It doesn't matter that it's not "economically viable" because we don't need the oil - there is already oil, that's the problem. The particulars in keeping the companies' balance books healthy is just a policy thing. But again, the biggest issue is: less exports = less imports. We will see how many dollars the world economy can actually handle.
weird fact about South Africa, we actually have the biggest crude storage facility in the entire southern hemisphere and looking to build an even bigger terminal. Also I'm saying it won't be economically viable for energy producers, they will go bankrupt and or nationalised/expensive bailouts. The economics of governments buying oil and storing it is as you say a policy thing.

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« Reply #102 on: April 20, 2020, 03:15:57 PM »
Wasn't it about 13 years ago, oil was selling at $140 a barrel? The whole system is bullshit.
price fixing isn't illegal when your goverment does it  :idont

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« Reply #106 on: April 20, 2020, 05:19:00 PM »
Was it worth it to cause a world wide depression to win an internet bet?

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« Reply #107 on: April 20, 2020, 05:30:06 PM »
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« Reply #109 on: April 20, 2020, 06:23:25 PM »
edit: meh, don't want to add to speculation
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« Reply #110 on: April 20, 2020, 07:15:26 PM »
edit: meh, don't want to add to speculation
Coward  :hmph
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« Reply #114 on: April 21, 2020, 10:37:09 PM »
Interactive Brokers had to fulfill $88 million of margin settlements in a single day for customers long on oil that lost more than their accounts had equity.  Fucking lol

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« Reply #115 on: April 22, 2020, 03:12:47 AM »
James I hope that somewhow, somewhere you're still betting on stonks. Just look at how the pros are doing. This could've been you:

Feb 21 2020
Oil trader Pierre Andurand suffers big hedge fund loss
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Pierre Andurand, one of the world’s best-known oil traders, has suffered a big loss in his hedge fund during a turbulent start to 2020 for energy markets.

Mr Andurand, founder of London-based Andurand Capital Management, one of the last few hedge funds specialising in oil, experienced a loss of about 8 per cent in his main fund in January, according to three people familiar with its performance.

The fund, which last year was managing about $1bn in assets, also lost money in 2018 and 2019, with January extending the streak of declines for a trader who used to pride himself on beating often-volatile oil markets.

April 21 2020
Oil trader Pierre Andurand cleans up in crude’s historic crash
https://www.ft.com/content/1c8e9f81-bdcf-4b15-be6a-92cc88beca27

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Pierre Andurand, one of the world’s best-known hedge fund managers specialising in oil, cashed in on US crude’s historic crash this week, adding to strong gains in both of his main funds this year.
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His two funds started betting against the oil price, reasoning energy would be one of the hardest-hit sectors. The core fund, which holds roughly half of the firm’s assets under management, gained more than 63 per cent for the year, net of fees, in the first quarter, according to people familiar with the fund’s performance.

His second, riskier fund, which is now roughly the same size, was up 153 per cent over the same period. Crude was trading close to $70 a barrel in early January. 

What's the secret?

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Mr Andurand, a kick-boxing devotee and former champion swimmer, has in the past recruited a number of Olympic gold medallists to his roster of analysts and traders, working out of offices overlooking the luxury department store Harrods in Knightsbridge, London.

Those gold medallist swimmers come in handy when the world is drowning in oil  :pimp

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« Reply #116 on: April 22, 2020, 03:19:58 AM »
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« Reply #117 on: April 22, 2020, 03:29:48 PM »
small business tyrants love voting republican  :kermit
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Re: Econ |OT| margin call your ex
« Reply #118 on: April 22, 2020, 09:03:57 PM »
So I have some bonds that my grandpa left me when he died a while back. I sold most of them to pay for grad school, but still have some. I don't really know anything about them other than I get like $1,000 a year check which is cool and they seem to go up and down slightly over the quarters.

Anyhow, my parents are telling me that during major recessions it's likely a lot of these small municipals will file bankruptcy and then all your bonds become $0 and you lose everything, so they're telling me to sell my whole portfolio now before that happens. It's down a little (like $3,000 or something from when they were purchased) and they're paying out at like 3-5% and won't be able to put it into anything right now beyond like 1% online bank. So will lose some money if I dump it all now.

Just looking for second opinions since I know nothing about bonds. I'm super financially conservative and don't invest at all so don't know much about this stuff.

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