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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #120 on: June 19, 2020, 10:01:46 AM »
Imagine taking a dozen hours just to say the same thing the Sorrow from MGS3 did in like ten minutes

kojimbo fifteen years ahead of his time  :bow :bow2

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« Reply #121 on: June 19, 2020, 10:05:01 AM »
Gamers are trash, and when you hype up.a game as being a reason why you bought a console, expect every passionate idiot to bitch.
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« Reply #122 on: June 19, 2020, 10:12:41 AM »
A lot of the complains is certainly about #forceddiversity. But there is also Druckmann nearing Kojima levels of cringe and thinking he is an amazing writer. It doesnt take long before Joel is doing some James from twin peaks impresisons with the guitar and it's incredible levels of cringe.

But well he is pretty much about to be a movie writer I guess, with hbo giving him money. Must feel bad for Kojimmy that this guy got to make a tv show before him. :(


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« Reply #123 on: June 19, 2020, 10:36:00 AM »
Played the first hour. Punched some zombies to death as Abby. Pretty cool.

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« Reply #124 on: June 19, 2020, 11:07:30 AM »
Just like GTA4, 10/10 scores across the board, 'pushes the medium forward' type full gushing praise from the 'press'. Then the general public is all like shit sux tho :rage

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« Reply #125 on: June 19, 2020, 11:22:52 AM »
Let's just say, a large, very large chunk of the game is not sitting well with people because it's not what you'd expect in a sequel with Ellie and Joel. It's less about being upset at specific story bits, and more about the entire structure of the story.
Is this because the they fail to properly service their fan-base, and their beloved heroes? I think Last Jedi and GoT8 sort of betrayed their characters at times, but their real failures were elsewhere, even though many fanboys & girls, were just mad that their heroes just didn't look good enough.
Like having Daenerys not burn down the city and be a QUEEN SLAY with her happy ending would've been just as shit, and wouldn't have saved season 8 (and 7 and 6 and 5) from being mediocre to bad TV, but you can bet in that case, you wouldn't have had nearly as many meltdowns.
Same for Last Jedi with how they handled Luke, though there i find the critique more justified.

For example many came away from Last of Us 1 fetishizing Joel as their videogame daddy, forgetting how the game itself tells you he's actually kind of a cunt who was jumping/killing people.

I don't know, personally i always thought that a Last of Us sequel needed to move away from Joel and Ellie entirely, and having them return was a big disappointment, so at least if they can manage to carve something else than just plain fan-service out of them, i see it as a positive.

Whether it's well told or not, it's a different story, and of course i'll see for myself as soon as i have time to play (game came in today).

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« Reply #126 on: June 19, 2020, 11:23:48 AM »
Just like GTA4, 10/10 scores across the board, 'pushes the medium forward' type full gushing praise from the 'press'. Then the general public is all like shit sux tho :rage

 :lol :lol :lol
GTA4 was genius, an people were distinguished mentally-challenged as usual, and should've stuck to Saint's Row.
Now enjoy your GTA Online, morons! :ufup.

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« Reply #127 on: June 19, 2020, 11:52:58 AM »
From what I got of the story, it's also my impression they would have been better served by not having the characters return. It was a good conclusion to that story with some amount of ambiguity and a little food for thought. Now I read on ERA "Oh it makes sense for it to be a trilogy now". ND seems overtly self conscious about ludonarrative dissonance and some of the critical discourse levied at them but at the same time can't help to follow gaming/Hollywood's shadow, chasing two hares at once.
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« Reply #128 on: June 19, 2020, 12:08:09 PM »
From what I got of the story, it's also my impression they would have been better served by not having the characters return. It was a good conclusion to that story with some amount of ambiguity and a little food for thought. Now I read on ERA "Oh it makes sense for it to be a trilogy now". ND seems overtly self conscious about ludonarrative dissonance and some of the critical discourse levied at them but at the same time can't help to follow gaming/Hollywood's shadow, chasing two hares at once.

new characters and maybe cameos from the main two and a few fan favs would have probably been a better idea, its very much the kind of series that can take in different stories with different characters, but idk i hated the first game so i don't really give a fuck, i just wanna lol at the meltdowns :idont
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« Reply #129 on: June 19, 2020, 12:17:41 PM »
Poggggers



P-P-Poggers????

From what I got of the story, it's also my impression they would have been better served by not having the characters return. It was a good conclusion to that story with some amount of ambiguity and a little food for thought. Now I read on ERA "Oh it makes sense for it to be a trilogy now". ND seems overtly self conscious about ludonarrative dissonance and some of the critical discourse levied at them but at the same time can't help to follow gaming/Hollywood's shadow, chasing two hares at once.

new characters and maybe cameos from the main two and a few fan favs would have probably been a better idea, its very much the kind of series that can take in different stories with different characters, but idk i hated the first game so i don't really give a fuck, i just wanna lol at the meltdowns :idont

What folks wanted: The continuing adventures of Joel and his adopted Lesbian Daughter, Ellie.
What folks got: Druckmann going "DID YU RIKE IT!?" at killing Joel and doing a revenge tale that nobody cares about.

PS: Joel was in the wrong completely.

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« Reply #130 on: June 19, 2020, 12:40:22 PM »
could have said likes like final fantasy bro, new characters n shit and the nerds would have had to take it :rash

going the "lol ur favs get bodied by buff girlwell suck it h8rz" route is asking for trouble :lol
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« Reply #131 on: June 19, 2020, 01:27:52 PM »
Imagine taking a dozen hours just to say the same thing the Sorrow from MGS3 did in like ten minutes

kojimbo fifteen years ahead of his time  :bow :bow2

Even MGS1. I played it a couple of years back and went  :doge :doge :doge when it goes into "You have fun killing all those soldiers!?!?". Now all these failed film students act pretentious with their hamfisted copy 20 years later. Except they added sad little girls and killing dogs for the cheapest kind of emotional manipulation. When you can't even be as subtle as goddamn Kojimba, go fuck yourself out of this industry please. :goldberg Also watch how the next Uncharted remains a murder simulator with a quirky hipster paint anyway. Because they simply can't tell this stuff through adequate gamedesign. I mean, why does a stealth game like TLoU only have kill options? Idiotic and cheap.

Still Nier 1 is the best misery porn in games, which also happens to respect the medium it tells it in. Also includes transgender but doesn't make a big deal out of it for marketing. A shame the remake seems to double down on the animu after the inferior sequel :picard
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« Reply #132 on: June 19, 2020, 01:41:45 PM »
Playing some more, and man, I really like it, but a lot of the dialogue is full on life is strange bad.


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« Reply #134 on: June 19, 2020, 01:55:47 PM »
Playing some more, and man, I really like it, but a lot of the dialogue is full on life is strange bad.
Sounds hella dope
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« Reply #135 on: June 19, 2020, 01:57:10 PM »
life is strange bad.

 :existential

Take the writers from that abomination plus Naughty Dog's and shoot them to the moon. Keep David Cage, his failings still have a comedic value at least.

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« Reply #136 on: June 19, 2020, 02:14:56 PM »
Still Nier 1 is the best misery porn in games, which also happens to respect the medium it tells it in. Also includes transgender but doesn't make a big deal out of it for marketing. A shame the remake seems to double down on the animu after the inferior sequel :picard

nier1 is good at this, but I might still hold cart life above it. simply because cart life is set in the real world and features the unceasing misery of being a lowly wage worker in the U.S.

Also the dev has spent most of the decade since it came out being intermittently homeless and vague posting about depression/ideation on twitter, which truly adds to the stifling dreariness whenever I think of the game.

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« Reply #137 on: June 19, 2020, 02:32:17 PM »
Brob! :gladbron

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« Reply #138 on: June 19, 2020, 02:38:48 PM »
I am a gamer again, so I have returned to post

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« Reply #139 on: June 19, 2020, 05:33:24 PM »
Imagine taking a dozen hours just to say the same thing the Sorrow from MGS3 did in like ten minutes

kojimbo fifteen years ahead of his time  :bow :bow2

Even MGS1. I played it a couple of years back and went  :doge :doge :doge when it goes into "You have fun killing all those soldiers!?!?". Now all these failed film students act pretentious with their hamfisted copy 20 years later. Except they added sad little girls and killing dogs for the cheapest kind of emotional manipulation. When you can't even be as subtle as goddamn Kojimba, go fuck yourself out of this industry please. :goldberg Also watch how the next Uncharted remains a murder simulator with a quirky hipster paint anyway. Because they simply can't tell this stuff through adequate gamedesign. I mean, why does a stealth game like TLoU only have kill options? Idiotic and cheap.

Still Nier 1 is the best misery porn in games, which also happens to respect the medium it tells it in. Also includes transgender but doesn't make a big deal out of it for marketing. A shame the remake seems to double down on the animu after the inferior sequel :picard
They still need miles of road to even approach the hamfisted halls, of Kojima's palace of bullshit, let's not get crazy here.
This is a guy that needed 50 minutes CODEC conversations, to tell you war is bad, with phrases like "can love bloom on the battlefield?".
And shit, we wanna talk about pretentious, the guy even gave his face to Too Old To Die Young, one of the most vapid wastes of hard drive space of the last 10 years.

Last of Us (1) was bland by design, in the sense that ND are Sony's flagship team, they need to release products that anyone can understand and digest - Seems like LoU2 moves from that a bit, but still has to abide by those rules.
Kojima, for better or worse (and there's a lot of worse here, let's remember the abject failure of storytelling that was MGSV) is allowed by circumstances to be more of an auteur, and be more creative and daring.

Regardless, I like it when people, forced to do a sequel (this, MGS2, Hotline Miami 2), decide to use that opportunity to shit on the former fanbase, so if LoU2 does that, much respect.
Gamers (or nerds in general as seen in recent cinema trends) are sick in the head with their obsession for endless sequels (to narrative games anyway, it makes sense to iterate from a mechanical POV) and should be pissed on.

Haven't player Nier1, so i can't comment on that (but seeing all the wanking weebs do about Automata, i can't say i'm chomping at the bit to see it).

All that said, i tend to hate meta commentary in fiction, it's usually cheap and adds very little to the overall conversation anyway.
Couldn't stand Spec Ops the line (speaking of subtle  :lol), hated the twist in Bioshock, don't even like DeadPool; so i'm never too impressed with the "look you're moving the guy, isn't that crazy?", whether it comes from Naughty Dog or Kojima.
Hopefully it's more of a secondary flavour, and not the main course.

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« Reply #140 on: June 19, 2020, 05:57:33 PM »
At least MGS said this from the beginning. ND pushed for bland murder simulators for a decade and only now try to challenge their own trash, which even a hack like Kojima already did on PS1 on this kind of surface level. And even now they have to force it by crippling mechanics and channeling cliche indie movies instead of creative game design. Meanwhile, MGSV has some of the best gameplay of the gen. Don't think I even watched any cutscene after the intro, my playstyle was my narrative.

Nier didn't go for the weebs like Automata, which is why it sold like 50k worldwide. The remaster seems to homogenize it with Automata, but the og shits over most try-hard videogame narratives.

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« Reply #141 on: June 19, 2020, 06:18:03 PM »
What was super weeb about Automata? Aside from 2B's ass ofc.
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« Reply #142 on: June 19, 2020, 06:45:08 PM »
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Ellie singing A-ha 
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:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

God this is full cringe at times.

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« Reply #143 on: June 19, 2020, 07:32:03 PM »
At least MGS said this from the beginning. ND pushed for bland murder simulators for a decade and only now try to challenge their own trash, which even a hack like Kojima already did on PS1 on this kind of surface level. And even now they have to force it by crippling mechanics and channeling cliche indie movies instead of creative game design. Meanwhile, MGSV has some of the best gameplay of the gen. Don't think I even watched any cutscene after the intro, my playstyle was my narrative.
I'll reserve judgment on how LoU2 handles that stuff until after i play it, but look, i agree with the eye roll at the usual meta commentary on game violence, from designers who can't do anything but violent games.
I don't even think it's that interesting of a theme in general, since non-violent videogames aren't exactly a rarity, FIFA, MADDEN and GRAN TURISMO aren't niche products.
I especially found their tonal shift in Uncharted 4 comically misguided, but i take issue with the argument made using MGS, because those games said everything and its opposite, and are no stranger to tonal inconsistencies themselves.
Kojima was prepping people on how gut-wrenching and morally obscene MGSV would've been, remember that? From a series that has always been essentially a comedy.

Beyond that hey, i'm also in love with MGSV's gameplay, even though i think the game does everything in its power to hinder that fun (as opposed to a pristine experience like Ground Zeroes was) with constant cutscenes, wait times, development costs, back and forths, pointless loading screens.
It's really a fundamentally different approach to creating a game.

Naughty Dog are the fancy showroom car, they are a team that has seen countless people come and go, and are essentially there to produce Sony's showpiece/console seller.
They HAVE to be palatable by a large audience, while showing the greatest amount of polish possible (since they are synonymous with graphical excellence).
Kojima is one guy, albeit with a massive amount of clout, partially known (and expected) to create weirdness; it's a very different position to be in.


It'd be like expecting someone working on the next Star Wars Trilogy, to approach it like a Jodorowsky movie.

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« Reply #144 on: June 19, 2020, 07:56:51 PM »
I don't think highly of Kojima. That's the point. You can feel the vain self-importance throughout the entirety of games like TLOU. And for what? Something that even the writer of MGS4 already found out 20 years ago. :lol And contained within MGS1 it was still less preachy and at least trying to do unique things with game mechanics.

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« Reply #145 on: June 19, 2020, 08:09:29 PM »
What was super weeb about Automata? Aside from 2B's ass ofc.

Nothing in my opinion. Seems like some people just want to hate on it for one piece of the presentation. It's still superior to TLOU or a Kojima game in terms of mixing narrative and gameplay. Not relying on bullshit QTE or cutscenes to tell your story >>>>
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« Reply #146 on: June 19, 2020, 08:16:54 PM »
What was super weeb about Automata? Aside from 2B's ass ofc.

Nothing in my opinion. Seems like some people just want to hate on it for one piece of the presentation. It's still superior to TLOU or a Kojima game in terms of mixing narrative and gameplay. Not relying on bullshit QTE or cutscenes to tell your story >>>>
I liked Automata.
But it uses both cutscenes and (sort of) QTEs as narrative devices.  ???
I think it was undeniably anime in many ways, from the writing to the characterization, whether that's good or bad, it's a personal preference.

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« Reply #147 on: June 19, 2020, 08:28:27 PM »
2B and 9S were pretty crap and tropey compared to the OG cast.

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« Reply #148 on: June 19, 2020, 09:03:09 PM »
4.5 hrs in

Pretty good so far

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« Reply #149 on: June 19, 2020, 10:34:05 PM »
I love how they just brazenly lied in a lot of the trailers.  :lol

They basically understood what people wanted from this game, made the pre-release marketing echo that desire, and gleefully pull the rug out early on.
Im really interested in what happened with Joel. Not so much about Ellie and her girlfriend.
You might want to wait for a deep, deep discount my dude. 

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« Reply #150 on: June 19, 2020, 11:02:03 PM »
Hating Kojimbo... :wag :wag :wag

Say what you want about his melodrama, but at least it's entertaining melodrama. You can't say the same for The Last of "Ellie Standing In Front of Clickers That Do Jackshit To Her But If Joel Does Insta-DEATH" Lesbians.

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« Reply #151 on: June 19, 2020, 11:16:00 PM »
For you maybe.

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« Reply #152 on: June 19, 2020, 11:32:14 PM »
Unless Joel isn‘t revived in Ellie‘s arm, I don’t think I want anything to do with the Last of Us sequels :hmph

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« Reply #153 on: June 20, 2020, 01:09:55 AM »
This actually has the best opening to a ND game since they started doing these non mascot games. The first few chapters of modern ND games aren't that interesting to me. The opening of Uncharted 1 was actually my favorite of the bunch since it was quick, and engaging enough before you got thrown into the action.

Subsequent ND games since just opened slower and slower to the point where the fucking melee system had to be introduced into the game with a 5 minute long flashback scene.

My point is, the mechanics and narrative are introduced a little more organically, and the gameplay becomes more engaging quickly compared to the previous games. As far as the story

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Just fought my first human enemies. I knew that Joel already died, but the way it just hits you with it surprised me. As far as the story so far, I expect to be talking to the zombie mushrooms the same way Raiden talked with the Patriot AI at the end of MGS2 the way you fucks are talking about it
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« Reply #154 on: June 20, 2020, 03:03:41 AM »
The first 4 hours of the game bored me to death. Mainly because the two enemy types you fought so far are runners and clickers.

Clickers are extremely easy to stealth kill.

The runners got ruined by the inclusion of a dodge button. I literally just kite the fucks around a room and then just melee them to death since the tells for their attacks are so easy to see it doesn't require any skill at all.

The forest area looked really nice I guess?

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« Reply #155 on: June 20, 2020, 03:05:21 AM »
Hating Kojimbo... :wag :wag :wag

Say what you want about his melodrama, but at least it's entertaining melodrama. You can't say the same for The Last of "Ellie Standing In Front of Clickers That Do Jackshit To Her But If Joel Does Insta-DEATH" Lesbians.

Kojima's melodrama got so poorly paced the more games he made. Like MGS3 (the version with the decent controls) was relatively balanced in terms of cutscenes and gameplay, and then... you get MGSIV. And then he goes even stupider with Death Stranding. Cutscenes are already a crime in and of themselves, but having them be more than, I dunno, 2 minutes, is an abomination.

What was super weeb about Automata? Aside from 2B's ass ofc.

Nothing in my opinion. Seems like some people just want to hate on it for one piece of the presentation. It's still superior to TLOU or a Kojima game in terms of mixing narrative and gameplay. Not relying on bullshit QTE or cutscenes to tell your story >>>>
I liked Automata.
But it uses both cutscenes and (sort of) QTEs as narrative devices.  ???
I think it was undeniably anime in many ways, from the writing to the characterization, whether that's good or bad, it's a personal preference.

I don't remember QTEs? It does have cutscenes though, but I still think that a lot of the really good stuff is done through gameplay.
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« Reply #156 on: June 20, 2020, 06:28:22 AM »
This is what the gameplay looks like for me.


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« Reply #157 on: June 20, 2020, 06:32:29 AM »
I remember it having some kind of cinematic button press when you killed bosses, maybe i remember wrong.
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Just started the game (stopped right after *that* moment).
Graphics, especially of the character models, are truly mind blowing.  :leon

Some sections i found a bit long in the tooth (patrolling with Ellie & Dina, maybe it's on purpose  :lol), i suppose they were trying to establish character bonds, but the banter isn't the best.
They all tend to make the same sort of lame quips, which flattens them all as one voice (the writer's).

Other than that i'm liking it,
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i'm curious to see more of Abby, Dina instead is pretty much a walking clichè atm, so she isn't saying much to me.
She makes Ellie come across as less annoying by comparison though, so she has a purpose.   ::)
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I think Joel's death was handled well though, although spatially it's not very clear what happens to Tommy.
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Also if you did get spoiled, when you play the game you realize, it's not a big deal at all.  :yeshrug
Anyway, hopefully the game goes in interesting places from here on out.

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« Reply #158 on: June 20, 2020, 10:39:52 PM »

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« Reply #159 on: June 20, 2020, 11:39:36 PM »
One of the quirks I like is that you have to manually load every bullet you acquire into your gun. Seems like busy work in most games, but the low ammo count, and the fact that you're installing along with expelling each bullet has me keenly aware of my munitions at all times.

Playing on Hard and the fact that the game is way more hesitant in handing out ammo from dead enemies compared to the last game is nice.

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« Reply #162 on: June 21, 2020, 12:32:04 AM »
One of the quirks I like is that you have to manually load every bullet you acquire into your gun. Seems like busy work in most games, but the low ammo count, and the fact that you're installing along with expelling each bullet has me keenly aware of my munitions at all times.

Playing on Hard and the fact that the game is way more hesitant in handing out ammo from dead enemies compared to the last game is nice.
I'm also playing on hard.
This game needs to be played on hard if not survivor, for sure.

I just finished Seattle Day 1:

Graphics continue to be incredible, the whole Seattle area especially, is really massive not only in explorable area, but visually, and filled up with details (i can see how they crunched, when you have to create 70000 different rooms all filled with details  :lol)

I'll say if you hated exploring empty rooms checking cupboards in RDR2, this'll game will also drive you crazy, i think you can B-line for the next storybeat, more or less, but exploring extra rooms got me a shotgun and an extra holster for rifles (to equip two rifles at once), so not exactly pointless shit.
I think it's the problem LoU1 suffered from, the first chapter (Summer?) in Boston and then Bill's town, just went on forever, room after room, but here, with more open areas and even less enemy encounters, it feels even more stretched out.
Again, if you're someone impatient it'll drive you nuts.

Encounters with Clickers are pretty much the same (which is to say, not very interesting) you have a dodge and infinite "shivs" but they also seem more aware now... i guess it balances out? I dunno i died here more times than in LoU1 though.

Encounters with humans instead are very fun (at least on higher difficulties) they react very naturally, scream names of dead comrades when you kill them, constantly flank you and check every nook and cranny when searching for you, it's very fun, when you're fighting large groups, and the areas are usually very large and varied.
You have the occasional "i'm right next to them and he doesn't see me" moments, especially in grass, but that is expected from any stealth game and tbh, it's more of a design concession than an AI one (otherwise the game would be impossible).

It still has the problem of your companion sneaking around with invisibility on, looks just as stupid as it did in the first game, but at least they're more efficient in combat (if you played Lost Legacy, it gives you a good idea).

Storywise nothing particularly interesting happened yet, Dina and Ellie are sort of bland so far, but i didn't see much of the cringeworthy stuff i was expecting: "Bigot Sandwich" was the most cringy line i've seen so far, so nothing too horrible, but as i said, the constant banter does get old after a bit.

I'll close with a positive, saying the Wyoming Museum sequence was really cute and well done, and i liked it a lot, so i have faith for the rest of the game, in terms of storytelling.  :doge
Let's hope the pace speeds up a bit though, exploration is fine and all, but getting ping ponged from one macguffin to the next, isn't all that brilliant of a way to increase your game length.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #163 on: June 21, 2020, 12:56:32 AM »
I actively dread the combat in this game :/

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #164 on: June 21, 2020, 12:59:40 AM »
Unless Joel isn‘t revived in Ellie‘s arm, I don’t think I want anything to do with the Last of Us sequels :hmph
She calls him "Ben" after kissing him back to life. Then she adopts his last name as hers and it turns out they really were the last of us.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #165 on: June 21, 2020, 02:22:38 AM »
Probably around the end of day 2

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Holy fuck that truck sequence was insane. ND does the best car chase sequences and I'm pretty sure they've just topped themselves there.
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Games's been good and pretty intense so far.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #166 on: June 21, 2020, 08:01:13 AM »
I love how there's 50 accesibility options but not a single one to turn the chromatic aberration off. Imagine spending 7 years crunching on this shit and then actively make it look worse with a shit effect.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #167 on: June 21, 2020, 08:04:41 AM »
At least it isn't as bad as it was in BloodBorne, it made that shit near unplayable.
Also forgot to mention, camera zoomed all the way out and MAX FOV should've been the standard in my opinion (at least you can change it)

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #168 on: June 21, 2020, 10:01:31 AM »
I swear to God I saw chromatic aberration in those options somewhere, but cant find it now.

and yeah, it doesnt annoy me that much. Bloodborne gave me a headache in comparison, this I dont notice it that much.

Also auto pick up of items is really good. I hate having to press triangle all the time, especially when it doesnt register or you have to be in a right spot sometimes to do it.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #169 on: June 21, 2020, 10:24:14 AM »
I swear to God I saw chromatic aberration in those options somewhere, but cant find it now.

and yeah, it doesnt annoy me that much. Bloodborne gave me a headache in comparison, this I dont notice it that much.

Also auto pick up of items is really good. I hate having to press triangle all the time, especially when it doesnt register or you have to be in a right spot sometimes to do it.
Gotta try this.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #170 on: June 21, 2020, 01:22:25 PM »
https://twitter.com/RLewisReports/status/1274197145441013760

Comments say this was after [the scene] lmao
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #172 on: June 21, 2020, 04:44:02 PM »
It really feels like people went into this game wanting to hate it.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #174 on: June 21, 2020, 04:54:20 PM »
It really feels like people went into this game wanting to hate it.

sounds more like it got last jedi'd in that it's both divisive and done in a cack-handed way, which would've been fine if that was reflected in the reviews, but the unanimous praise and assertions that if you don't like it you're clearly a bigot set it up to fail and now the narrative has been set there's no stopping it.

its whole launch hype is now just big stinky turd that anyone looking for a few easy clicks can roll in.
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #175 on: June 21, 2020, 05:12:43 PM »
It really feels like people went into this game wanting to hate it.

People here that are actually playing it seem to enjoy it so far.

I think it's a pile of shit, but I knew it would most likely be like that for me before it even released. The setpiece Bebpo called one of the best they made. Only thing I thought was: "This is a turret section."  Those kinds of differences in thought is honestly what makes it interesting for me to play it anyways.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #176 on: June 21, 2020, 05:18:20 PM »
It really feels like people went into this game wanting to hate it.

sounds more like it got last jedi'd in that it's both divisive and done in a cack-handed way, which would've been fine if that was reflected in the reviews, but the unanimous praise and assertions that if you don't like it you're clearly a bigot set it up to fail and now the narrative has been set there's no stopping it.

its whole launch hype is now just big stinky turd that anyone looking for a few easy clicks can roll in.

Is also partially because  console wars stuff, the perception that Naughty Dog is underserving of the acclaim they usually get and Druckmann being pretty opinionated about a lot of social stuff while his studio is accused of crunch.


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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #177 on: June 21, 2020, 06:03:37 PM »
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #178 on: June 21, 2020, 06:05:53 PM »
Ocarina of Time is great. Lots of people love it. Nintendo makes a sequel to this much beloved game, continuing the adventures of our time traveling hero.  Link and Epona, together again this fall! Everyone is big excited!

Now imagine if in 2 hours into Majora's Mask, skull kid beats Link to death with the Ocarina of Time while the Happy Mask Salesman pins Epona down and forces her to watch.

...the rest of the game is just a misery porn version of Barbie Horse Adventures with a horrific ending. Majora slips away. The moon kills everyone in Termina. Epona makes it back to Hyrule but all her friends are dead and no one is left to love her.

This has absolutely nothing to do with this thread, of course, but can you even imagine a dumb game like that?

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #179 on: June 21, 2020, 06:08:13 PM »
It really feels like people went into this game wanting to hate it.
I was super excited for the game before the leaks.