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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #180 on: June 21, 2020, 06:09:54 PM »
Please post more meltdowns :rejoice

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« Reply #181 on: June 21, 2020, 06:30:56 PM »
I'm just about halfway through (i think) and the game has its share of problems (mostly pacing ones) while being the best in class under many other aspects (which may be expected but still impressive work).
However most of the critique ive seen are from:

1. People that dont like this type of cinematic movie games, like ND has been doing for the last 13 years or so.
2. Contrarians who havent played the game but are annoyed by the usual journalist hyperbole (or have a bone to pick w/ Druckmann).
3. People who did like LoU1, angry about the missing fan service.

The game is far from perfect and, in some aspects, arguably worse than the first one, but there is a lot of BS critique thrown at it.
Which is not uncommon for super popular games.

And yes, also a lot of BS praise, we knew that already, but the two arent mutually exclusive.
BS comes feom all sides.  :doge

But maybe i'll change my mind once i finish it.

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« Reply #182 on: June 21, 2020, 06:41:25 PM »
It really feels like people went into this game wanting to hate it.
I was super excited for the game before the leaks.
I mean I don't want to be all "sony pony" about this, thats not my take. I haven't even played the game yet and I'm sure there's some actual good takes on it. But I have had a friend that sense the leaks has been all "this game is garbage, it shits on the fans and pushes an agenda". Probably based on youtube videos from dudes who make comments about how the women in this game have too much testosterone and there's too much lesbian stuff.

The same dude called me up to talk about how everyone shitting on it on meta critic and how bogus the actual reviews are because they were bought.

I've seen plenty of reviews just lambasting the game and calling it pathetic. One review talked about how the ending sucked because it would be like not killing Zeus in God of War 3. Which is to me a very dumb comparison.

Maybe I wont like the game either, but the review period for this game has been honestly fairly obnoxious. .......

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« Reply #183 on: June 21, 2020, 06:55:54 PM »
Kinda hilarious that people feel this game has a political agenda when the story beats seem to indicate to be “humans are shitty. So be super excellent to each other or else.”

I don’t even think is a invalid message, but is kind of silly how many people are triggered because there is LGBT characters or that those LGTB suffer in this world like everyone else, therefore AGENDA.

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« Reply #184 on: June 21, 2020, 07:10:28 PM »
Is there really a buttfucking scene in this game


lol prestige gaming
The bore should love this game then!

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« Reply #185 on: June 21, 2020, 07:13:20 PM »
No one ever got arse raped on world championship wrestling Monday nitro aka the only legit prestige entertainment in history :woooo
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« Reply #186 on: June 21, 2020, 07:14:48 PM »
Not on camera at least :rash
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« Reply #187 on: June 21, 2020, 07:28:08 PM »
Also I wouldn't really consider treating the characters and mythos from the first game with consistency to be fan service. Whether it's Ellie's characterization or lack of pushing the zombie stuff forward in an interesting way, the story and world building miss the mark.

 It's probably short-circuiting reviewers brains when they see one of the most technically impressive games console of the generation have poorly thought out themes, nonsensical character motivations and bland dialogue with really amazing performances by the actors. Tons of effort and talent put into something with little nutritional value. This game is gourmet Cheetos.

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« Reply #188 on: June 21, 2020, 07:29:04 PM »
Is there really a buttfucking scene in this game


lol prestige gaming

Anime tiddies are still prohibited by Sony. :fbm

Awkward hate sex with realistic characters is okay, artsy stuff.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #190 on: June 21, 2020, 07:35:06 PM »
Is there really a buttfucking scene in this game


lol prestige gaming
The bore should love this game then!

Sex between a man and a woman :scust

Sex between a man and a woman with the anatomy of a man  :brain
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« Reply #191 on: June 21, 2020, 07:37:46 PM »
Is there really a buttfucking scene in this game


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« Reply #192 on: June 21, 2020, 07:41:34 PM »


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« Reply #193 on: June 21, 2020, 07:47:57 PM »
If you want to play torture porn you can just play Pro Wrestling on the NES.
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« Reply #195 on: June 21, 2020, 08:42:14 PM »


All the doctor had to do was:



Instead "NO I WON'T LET YOU TAKE HER!" *knife to the throat*

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« Reply #197 on: June 21, 2020, 11:41:58 PM »
I gotta say, a good amount of the way into this now


And this is the new Silent Hill game I never knew I wanted.

Like outside the lack of SH supernatural stuff, gameplay-wise/level-design-wise this is the closet game to Silent Hill since Downpour. Feels kinda like a halfway between RE and SH survival horror, but leans a lot closer to SH. I really do not remember the original giving me this feel. Feels like ND was purposely going for a SH vibe. All its missing are more maps with crossing off Xs for locked doors.

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« Reply #198 on: June 22, 2020, 01:50:28 AM »
Also I wouldn't really consider treating the characters and mythos from the first game with consistency to be fan service. Whether it's Ellie's characterization or lack of pushing the zombie stuff forward in an interesting way, the story and world building miss the mark.

 It's probably short-circuiting reviewers brains when they see one of the most technically impressive games console of the generation have poorly thought out themes, nonsensical character motivations and bland dialogue with really amazing performances by the actors. Tons of effort and talent put into something with little nutritional value. This game is gourmet Cheetos.
Again, i'm still halfway through, but i didn't see particularly nonsensical character development so far.
I have no problem shitting on technically super impressive games (i hated God War 2018 and have no interest in The Order) but i just don't see a lot of the shit people complain about.
Ellie's motivations so far have been perfectly reasonable, given her character in the past game and her role models, Joel's too.
The new characters are also acting in an understandable manner so far.
And the theme of not being able to let go, being overwhelmed by a trauma, isn't far off from what the first game dealt with, with Joel and his daughter.
It's well treaded ground, but i'm not claiming LoU2 reinvents the wheel.

Without going too much into spoiler, because i don't want to fuck with the spoiler tag, the approach of having you see multiple POVs is more effective in doing what the first game failed miserably to do, which is humanize more all partie involved, which in turns makes everybody's actions make more sense.
The first one used a more classical structure of story propulsion, so it was easier for them to maintain a decent pacing, but definitely felt (even more) clichè and predictable.
Yes, this one doesn't go where fans who were looking for "Joel & Ellie summer adventures" wanted, but given the events of the first game, it wouldn't have made any sense; it was a good choice.

So far, pacing problems aside, the one big issue i have is that they mimic the issue i just mentioned (enemies being faceless baddies) with the 3rd faction they introduced, the Seraphites/religious nuts.
Aside from being a generally terrible idea in itself (religious cults always look stupid and comical in general) they feel tonally very out of place, and so far they aren't given much of a depth, like the Jackson people & the WLF are.

That said, i'm not saying this is Bresson, but even if more messy, this at least tries to tell what is a very clichè story, moving things around a little bit, unlike the first one.

Ofc. people can keep harping on that Schiendler's List quote, like they did back in the day for GTA4, but that's not really the game's fault. :yeshrug
There's plenty to criticize, but distinguished mentally-challenged fellowed journalist praise is not really anything they had any control over. 

I gotta say, a good amount of the way into this now


And this is the new Silent Hill game I never knew I wanted.

Like outside the lack of SH supernatural stuff, gameplay-wise/level-design-wise this is the closet game to Silent Hill since Downpour. Feels kinda like a halfway between RE and SH survival horror, but leans a lot closer to SH. I really do not remember the original giving me this feel. Feels like ND was purposely going for a SH vibe. All its missing are more maps with crossing off Xs for locked doors.
I wouldn't go that far, but i did feel some similarities in the vibe, while exploring.
Compared to a Resident Evil they still need to integrate better enemies and exploration though.
You'll be exploring for 40 minutes, and then immediately will become obvious when an arena is going to have enemies; not so much because of chest high walls, like the last one, but because encounters are still very much "contained" in XYZ area.
They should find ways to have a bit more organic enemy patrols, or random clickers around, it happens here and there, but rarely enough where you don't really feel the tension of having to make no sound, for example.
If i lived in that world, i don't think i'd just trot around smashing glass and talking out loud, when a horde of zombies or a group of scavengers could be around the corner.
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #199 on: June 22, 2020, 03:25:36 AM »
Not really sure what people were looking for with a sequel to The Last Of Us, but this is basically what I expected.

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And it’s fine. A good, narrative-heavy ND take on Survival Horror as was the first game. The pacing takes a huge hit when the POV switched to Abby, but it’s still fine. Nonlinear storytelling is rarely pulled off well, but it’s clear what the purpose of it was.

Comparisons to TLJ are kind of hard to separate from big dumb internet guys that will view every piece of media and culture they consume for the next 30 years through the lens of their hatred for it. It wasn’t a very good movie but move on with your life.
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #200 on: June 22, 2020, 03:42:07 AM »
You're saying that the writing makes sense but Joel gets killed after saving a random girl, agreeing to meet with her group and then immediately telling the group of 8 strangers his real name.  :doge 
He does this while doing his job, which is literally to patrol and clear outside threats to the community.  :doge
The only other scene with him before that is of him telling his brother about killing all those people at the end of the first game and he says he doesn't know if anyone would come after him. lol

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« Reply #201 on: June 22, 2020, 03:51:03 AM »
I think people are angry cause some of it feels really contrived. When your big moments depend on smart characters suddenly acting like complete dumbasses, that's not great.

They also pull the "character off camera coming in to save the day" multiple times. Just feels cheap.

Gotta say that even though the game is obviously not for me, it's not a bad product.

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« Reply #202 on: June 22, 2020, 04:02:16 AM »
You're saying that the writing makes sense but Joel gets killed after saving a random girl, agreeing to meet with her group and then immediately telling the group of 8 strangers his real name.  :doge 
He does this while doing his job, which is literally to patrol and clear outside threats to the community.  :doge
The only other scene with him before that is of him telling his brother about killing all those people at the end of the first game and he says he doesn't know if anyone would come after him. lol
They're clearing the area from clickers, not necessarily people; there's plenty of notes of the Jackson folks trying to get people to stay with them, in the game.. they're not really the shoot-on-sight kind.
They run back to her shed, because they're in a literal snow storm and chased by a horde of zombies.
Tommy is the one saying their names, and it's clearly played in a way where Joel is already nervous about it (you can hear it in his voice when he goes: "You people know us?" or something of the sort) plus they found Abby (as she was about to die) not the other way around, which would lower their guard as well.
They managed to track Joel down all the way to Jackson, name or no name they were fucked the moment the gate closed.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #203 on: June 22, 2020, 04:23:09 AM »
In the log thing that Ellie has to sign into one of the previous days somebody had written "killed 3 hunters" or something similar, so they would also be on the lookout for grifters or raiders or w/e.

I totally forgot about those extra contrivances you mentioned, Joel dies because he finds the daughter of a guy he killed that tracked him down across the country, on the same day that a blizzard happens, and a massive horde of zombies show up at the same time that a blizzard shows up. The conversations with Dina right before also imply that zombies have become less common and Ellie says that the most they had previously killed in one day was like 12?

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« Reply #204 on: June 22, 2020, 04:42:37 AM »
You forgot that the zombies can suddenly run as fast as horses even though in the scene before a human outpaced them.

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« Reply #205 on: June 22, 2020, 04:45:56 AM »
If you consider those contrievances a problem, almost no work of fiction works. :lol
"there just happens to be bad weather in this very dramtic moment?!"
The game has constant hordes of zombies (the first one did too) chasing you every other moment, how is them being chased by one any more absurd? They're not really bending any of their established rules.
Tommy even mentions, in a subsequent flashback, that "hordes travels through there in the winter".

Joel and Tommy are clearly nervous when entering the room, seeing all those people (even though one is a visibly pregnant woman, so probably eased them up somewhat) but again, they were under pressure. People under pressure will make mistakes.

And they ran into her because she specifically goes out looking for them, it's not like she's just wandering the area at random.

Sure instead of Joel and Tommy, another crew could've been doing the rounds, but that is really reaching at straws, fiction is built on these contractions of chance by design.
You watch Belle De Jour and go "Oh my God, her husband's friend just happens to show up when she's on duty"?

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« Reply #206 on: June 22, 2020, 05:26:33 AM »
Don Rumata ? More like Don... Druck... mann. Yeah.
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #207 on: June 22, 2020, 05:34:44 AM »
Your soft condescension doesn't strengthen your argument. Using every plot convenience in the book to justify a well-defined character contradicting their nature is lazy writing, and it's a weirdly sloppy, rushed setup to use for the most important scene in the story.

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Sure instead of Joel and Tommy, another crew could've been doing the rounds, but that is really reaching at straws, fiction is built on these contractions of chance by design.
You watch Belle De Jour and go "Oh my God, her husband's friend just happens to show up when she's on duty"?

I don't know why you're saying any of this because I didn't say any of this. Yeah the straw you just reached for is reaching at staws, agreed.

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« Reply #208 on: June 22, 2020, 05:54:46 AM »
Don Rumata ? More like Don... Druck... mann. Yeah.
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Someone gotta defend the game here, to balance things out.  8)
I still think the game is barely at mediocre-Netflix-show levels in terms of story, i just don't agree with some of the criticism.

Your soft condescension doesn't strengthen your argument. Using every plot convenience in the book to justify a well-defined character contradicting their nature is lazy writing, and it's a weirdly sloppy, rushed setup to use for the most important scene in the story.

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Sure instead of Joel and Tommy, another crew could've been doing the rounds, but that is really reaching at straws, fiction is built on these contractions of chance by design.
You watch Belle De Jour and go "Oh my God, her husband's friend just happens to show up when she's on duty"?

I don't know why you're saying any of this because I didn't say any of this. Yeah the straw you just reached for is reaching at staws, agreed.
Soft? I was going for strong condescension. :fbm

Again, it's not "every contrievance in the book". Pretty much every element is either explained or plausible (Joel and Tommy happened to do that route that day, but they did do that route routinely).
And using narrative elements, like characters running to safety from a horde, that have been established and used over and over in this and the past game.
That Belle De Jour example was to say that artifice in narrative happens, but not every contrievance is a sign of bad writing, again, in Children of Men the girl happens to have the baby right as they're about the get murdered by the army and have no way out, it's a (reasonable) dramatic license.
Fiction is artifice, and artifice is contrieved by design, it comes off more or less natural but it is nonetheless.

I also call bullshit on Joel "contraddicting his nature" just because you choose to ignore the whole character development of the first game.
He was jaded and caged, Ellie softened him up, this is 4 ulterior years past that point, they routinely go out exploring for bullshit reasons (like getting new guitar strings), because he's not the same survivor he was at the start of LoU1.
And again, he isn't giving the nuke codes out, he's deciding to follow a woman to safety, in a moment of extreme pressure.  :yeshrug
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But really, i wasn't trying to be condescending, sorry bb.  :-*
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #209 on: June 22, 2020, 06:48:48 AM »
Yeah I dont really think that first part with him was too crazy. Overall the story is also fine, but there is some hilarious cringy lines and scenes, not to mention the ending is absolutely shit. But it's a vidya game with vidya game writing, so didnt expect much more. Now for his hbo show... that could be a sensational disaster.

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« Reply #210 on: June 22, 2020, 06:54:24 AM »
Yeah I dont really think that first part with him was too crazy. Overall the story is also fine, but there is some hilarious cringy lines and scenes, not to mention the ending is absolutely shit. But it's a vidya game with vidya game writing, so didnt expect much more. Now for his hbo show... that could be a sensational disaster.
HBO had Westworld, True Detective and Game Of Thrones, so he may be able to pass by, if the Chernobyl guy can have enough of an input.  :lol
I still have no idea why they'd want to produce a TV show about the most basic post apocalypse plot there is.  :doge

Like if Last of Us (1 and 2) were a TV show, i don't i would've made it past episode 1. :thinking

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« Reply #211 on: June 22, 2020, 06:59:34 AM »
The game itself is really good. ND finally got puzzles fucking right, the combat is tense and the human AI isn't dumb as rocks. At least when alerted.

Too bad people are gonna be mad at everything else lol

Edit: putting on my Druckmann hat

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I can see Joel being truthful to the group that ended up killing him. Character wise, he's been on the run more or less for 20 years after the outbreak. We know he was a decent guy but turned into a killer. Living a more honest, relatively peaceful life dulled his senses and mistrust of people, at least enough to finally get him killed
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #214 on: June 22, 2020, 09:23:53 AM »
Honestly this feels so fucking far removed from SH, that my brain must have blocked out that post the first time.  It's horror (with limited supplies making everything feel intense) and the story is very personality driven, that's about the extend of the SH comparisons for me.

Silent Hill never had stealth or crafting (thank God, crafting is so boring at this point), and the combat was never really the focus of the games at all either. It's just kind of there. Everything related to the creatures is about the characters psyche, and not a zombie pandemic. It's aiming for such different things when it comes to atmosphere and the scares as well, and both do it very well, but Silent Hill is so much more moody and with very little jump scares in the series. The SH puzzles are mostly amazing, while it's hard to even call the stuff in TLOU2 puzzles. But it also never feels like a focus of TLOU2, so it doesnt really matter. The setting in SH always feels kind of dreamy, while TLOU very much feels like the real world.

Two good but very different horror games for me.
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« Reply #215 on: June 22, 2020, 09:44:21 AM »
Honestly this feels so fucking far removed from SH, that my brain must have blocked out that post the first time.  It's horror (with limited supplies making everything feel intense) and the story is very personality driven, that's about the extend of the SH comparisons for me.

Silent Hill never had stealth or crafting (thank God, crafting is so boring at this point), and the combat was never really the focus of the games at all either. It's just kind of there. Everything related to the creatures is about the characters psyche, and not a zombie pandemic. It's aiming for such different things when it comes to atmosphere and the scares as well, and both do it very well, but Silent Hill is so much more moody and with very little jump scares in the series. The SH puzzles are mostly amazing, while it's hard to even call the stuff in TLOU2 puzzles. But it also never feels like a focus of TLOU2, so it doesnt really matter. The setting in SH always feels kind of dreamy, while TLOU very much feels like the real world.

Two good but very different horror games for me.
I don't know what Bepbo referred to, but i did think of Silent Hill in a couple of moments here and there, while exploring Seattle.
For me, it was mostly down to the silent, abandoned pacific north west city, that sometimes would trigger that vibe, but yeah beyond that really they share little to nothing.
I guess both games have a sense of sustained dread and a lot of diaries to read (the last thing anyone in the world of the Last of Us does before dying, is write a vague note to their loved ones, often with the code for a safe on it.  :lol)

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« Reply #216 on: June 22, 2020, 09:48:30 AM »
Yeah exploring abandoned buildings/streets is another thing they share. But even then, in SH you will usually find quite a few characters just wandering around or chilling with their own strange problems, when you are wandering around exploring a building or the streets.

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« Reply #217 on: June 22, 2020, 11:48:01 AM »

Quote from: Jim Sterling
"I played The Last Of Us Part II for two days straight and beat it.  And let me tell you- if you're one of those people who are playing it, and you think it's a 'masterpiece of fiction,' just you wait until you read books or watch movies!  Because you've been missing out and I am envious of you!

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Fucking video games suck!"
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« Reply #218 on: June 22, 2020, 11:51:17 AM »


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« Reply #219 on: June 22, 2020, 01:09:19 PM »
Depends on the difficulty you put it at. On moderate there seems to be at least some things in each room. If it's like the first one, it's equivalent of Survivor/Grounded difficulty might cut out a lot of items. They have sliders in place for most of the mechanics so you can mix and match for the style you find enjoyable.

There's also letters and trinkets to find.

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« Reply #220 on: June 22, 2020, 01:12:03 PM »
I take Jim “Vanquish is a shitty game” Sterling so seriously.

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« Reply #221 on: June 22, 2020, 01:41:56 PM »
Man, this comment in the ResetEra spoiler thread is damn good.

"This is my exact worry. tlou2 combat encounters are a little too good. I feel like I'm going to be complaining about level design and enemy variety in GOT but we will see."





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« Reply #222 on: June 22, 2020, 02:02:38 PM »
Vanquish is shitty. PlatinumGames usually is.

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« Reply #223 on: June 22, 2020, 02:10:37 PM »
I take Jim “Vanquish is a shitty game” Sterling so seriously.

Not everyone is right all the time. Fatquisition is very often annoying and loves to hear himself just as much as these goofy videogame auteurs. But this is a video with a good argument.

Vanquish is shitty. PlatinumGames usually is.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #224 on: June 22, 2020, 02:28:16 PM »
Vanquish is shitty. PlatinumGames usually is.

Bayonetta  I could see the case for.

But Vanquish? :jeanluc

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #225 on: June 22, 2020, 02:32:28 PM »
Vanquish still has the best TPS combat 10 years later :rejoice

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #226 on: June 22, 2020, 03:10:43 PM »
Scalebound is their best game. Cause it was cancelled.  :miyamoto

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #227 on: June 22, 2020, 03:13:41 PM »
I take Jim “Vanquish is a shitty game” Sterling so seriously.

Not everyone is right all the time. Fatquisition is very often annoying and loves to hear himself just as much as these goofy videogame auteurs. But this is a video with a good argument.

I will not give him a click, thought.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #228 on: June 22, 2020, 03:48:37 PM »
I honestly don't get why people are so fucking mad that Joel got off'd. It's not exactly utterly unexpected.

Kinda similar to what happened to Ned in GoT, although somehow that was cool? I suppose you weren't then expected to like or understand the characters responsible for his demise, but GoT had a fuckload of characters that started super evil and then were written to be "likable". Or at least, understandable.

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #229 on: June 22, 2020, 03:56:52 PM »
They aren't mad about the fact that he died. It's the way they did it.


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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #231 on: June 22, 2020, 11:55:32 PM »
It's a better GAME than anything ND has done before, in that the combat encounters are more interesting and better paced with their usual setpieces to change things up BUT
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I didn't give a fuck about Abby or her annoying friends in the slightest and was almost relieved when they all got brutally murdered. Her section of the game goes on for far too long, and if they wanted you to empathize with her, it was a dismal failure. Hell, at the beginning of her section there's a conversation where she's rationalizing shooting a bunch of kids, but BOTH SIDES(tm) right
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Also does anyone else think people who cry during video games are maybe a little too invested in their shootbang vidya?
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #233 on: June 23, 2020, 01:09:14 AM »
It's almost like breaking glass hasn't been a thing for like four console generations but hey what do I know

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #234 on: June 23, 2020, 01:43:57 AM »
Nah this game does legit have the most satisfying glass breaking in any game bih

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #235 on: June 23, 2020, 02:42:00 AM »
14 hours in now, absolutely stellar game so far. I went in totally blind and expected a weaker game like many sequels are (plus U4 was a weaker Uncharted), also TLoU was a story that didn't need a sequel. But damn, I am impressed and happy with this so far.

In a year with Half-Life Alyx, FFVIIr (and for me RDR2 since I played it this year) it's hard for games to stand out as goty 2020 tier stuff, but this is definitely a contender for me.

I never replay games, but I feel like I might jump back in for a second run after. The open combat environments and amazingly visceral combat (probably best sound effects ever in a game. The crack of those gunshots goddamn) make it so satisfying to play. Some of the sandbox combat vs people gives me MGS3 flashbacks (and monsters in the dark with a shitty flashlight SH).

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #236 on: June 23, 2020, 02:47:45 AM »
https://twitter.com/DanRyckert/status/1275234839684419584

If you're gonna post one ridiculous piece of tech that has almost no function in this game, at least post the rope video!
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #237 on: June 23, 2020, 03:06:31 AM »
So is there much reward for exploration in this game?  Like is there a reason to check out every room?  Loot?  (ammo at least?)
It's pretty much like Last of Us 1, you get ammo and crafting stuff (bandages, alcohol, etc) and various notes (that however all read somewhat the same, tbh).
The problem is that this seems to have 10x the amount of rooms/environments LoU1 had, so it feels more stretched out at times.
Personally i find a modicum of enjoyment just looking at places in games (hell, i even find enjoyment cruising around places in Google Street, if they're cool anough) and the enviroinmental artists in this game have arguably done one of the best jobs i've ever seen, but i hardly think that's something anyone can get enjoyment out of.

https://twitter.com/DanRyckert/status/1275234839684419584

If you're gonna post one ridiculous piece of tech that has almost no function in this game, at least post the rope video!
That's cool and all, but Tomb Raider Underworld already had puzzles with that idea using the zipline wrapped around objects (though the tech was a bit less complex, as the rope wasn't a soft body).  ;)

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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #238 on: June 23, 2020, 03:08:43 AM »
I have a very special relationship with Tomb Raider and its ropes.

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The first company I worked at was contracted to do work on Lara Croft ATGOL. I was in charge of making the spears and ropes work in multiplayer.
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Re: The Last of US II Spoilers are out! (spoiler: game out June 19)
« Reply #239 on: June 23, 2020, 03:15:17 AM »

Also does anyone else think people who cry during video games are maybe a little too invested in their shootbang vidya?

Look up Dom's sacrifice from Gears of War 3 on youtube and look at the comments. I used to go through those comments to laugh at it with friends.

My favourite one was some guy saying that it made him cry harder then when Soup died in Call of Duty.
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