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Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4680 on: January 02, 2022, 04:51:10 AM »
Watch these videos. Look how many are black people or latinos. Minorities are being specifically targeted. You see this on some video display next to a bus stop.

Notice how they're almost all black.

You left one out from that "why I got vaccinated" series:



And then this one has people of different races in it.



It's almost as if NYC is a giant melting pot, with a lot of minorities, and they're putting out videos featuring people of different races and ethnic groups. I see they put out videos in multiple languages, too.  Perhaps there is a larger focus on minorities here because they have data showing that some groups are less vaccinated than others?  I dunno.

Have you read a damn thing I said? Of course they have data some groups are less vaccinated. You would do well to make less arguments and try to understand. You don't take my points made as a whole. You, like Rumbler, think this is just about ads because you're both fools.

It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work. Throwing money at problems do not work. Forcing your narrative definitely doesn't work. Think this is about ads all you want. It's a critique on liberal approaches to the pandemic, their inability to respect individual rights, their endless virtue signaling and identification of the virus as an identity through capitalistic processes, their endless forcing of their narrative onto the rest of society, the failed promises, the lack of leadership, the woke policies. As said, the ads are just one layer. Put together and I have much reason to seek outside solutions whether it's communism or conservatism. Thankfully Benji has thrown in Libertarianisms hat.

Frankly, upon reflection, I realize that the main reason I'm pushed towards Republicans now is that they are opposition to the Democrats. But if the Republicans get in office and do jack shit it will force me to run to the Democrats. This cycle is ever repeating because I'm not a liberal and I'm not a conservative. On further extrapolation, this is also how MAGA likely got started. Democrats are so fucking bad that you have  to seek alternatives. Many naturally think Republicans are that alternative and because Democrats are so bad you end up digging your heels into the Republican position which forces going down a MAGA rabbit hole since what's the mainstream alternative besides supporting the Democratic Party? Benji is correct that there are options besides the ones I listed. The two party system needs to be abolished.
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Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4681 on: January 02, 2022, 05:42:29 AM »
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/hillary-clinton-the-squad-demoncrats-midterms-b1984861.html

:dead You have more problems to worry about than the Squad. The Democrats are doing this to themselves, H-dawg.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4682 on: January 02, 2022, 09:50:31 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Himu

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« Reply #4683 on: January 02, 2022, 11:32:42 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Fair enough and well met.

I'm currently on my phone now and can't explain this in-depth in a comfortable manner without access to a keyboard. However, in short, to me, I'm defining liberalism as a capitalistic, economic, and socio phenomenon interpretation of "more". More regulation, more laws, more red tape, more government, more social programs, more spending, more taxes. Although I lived in NYC briefly before for the majority of my life I've lived in red states and I was born and raised in Texas. Being a black American I've voted for Democrats my whole life even when I started to loathe them. I voted green party in 2012 election against Obama so my issues with the donkeys has been over a decade in the running. However, being from the south I've been insulated from the reality of Democratic policy making on a state and local level, being that my home rep. district is middle class and Republican.

I love New York to death I plan on dying in the Northeast however seeing the reality of liberal/progressive spending combined with their reactions to the pandemic reveal I've been voting outside of my actual viewpoints because of tradition and demographic pressure (being a black American). NYC is full of red tape. Property taxes are insane. Property codes are insane. Everything is regulated to a ridiculous degree as people struggle to afford housing. Yet the government gaslights us into thinking it cares. As said pages back, NYC spends 3.9 billion on homeless care and yet we have a crisis. Is all of the money truly going to homeless support? So many of liberal policies means simply throwing money at a problem and hoping it fixes itself. Then we look at the federal level. Joe Biden administration has been putting us in severe inflation.

Last summer was probably the best summer I've had as an adult. It was dreamlike and the NYC I love and remember the most. Most of us were vaxxed, the pandemic numbers were low, we were free and fucking lived like it. And then September rolled around that fuck Sleepy Joe announced vaccine mandates. Suddenly New York state follows his line despite stable COVID numbers and some of the highest vax rates in the country and starts firing healthcare workers for not being vaccinated during a time when we have a healthcare worker shortage in the middle of a pandemic. Governments making mandates that private businesses force customers and employees to be vaccinated. More, more, more. It's never enough for the liberals. Granted, a private business or whatever can fire whoever it wants. But when the government gets involved and mandates what businesses have to do is when I have a problem.

Then we have the Department of Health racial justice vaccine policy posted this page. More, more, more. It's always more.

If there's any evidence it works I'd like to see it but having lived in two states of ideological opposites I learned what politics I like and it's leaving me the fuck alone to choose my own choices while also not harming the public. The conservatives in Texas are just as problematic. Dan Patrick shoving shit down our throats in a pandemic and telling us to sacrifice grandma and grandpa was heinous. The governor opened up Texas for memorial day during a pandemic for nothing more than cash flow. The conservatives are making their own mandates which are anti-mandate mandates and not allowing businesses to do whatever the fuck they want. It's the opposite extreme of the liberals and just as barbaric.

What I miss is my country and state and city allowing me to choose my own goddamn decisions to get vaxxed on my own fucking time and letting us live our lives without endless moralization of a health choice. I CHOSE to get vaxxed and now it's no longer a choice. I really miss the world from last summer!

More, more, more.

It never ends. Granted, there are some cases when more is necessary. The COVID checks were necessary for example given the context. But there has to come to a point where we stop with more.

I ended up saying fuck it and writing it now instead of waiting for a keyboard. :lol
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4684 on: January 02, 2022, 11:36:13 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Fair enough and well met.

I'm currently on my phone now and can't explain this in-depth in a comfortable manner without access to a keyboard. However, in short, to me, I'm defining liberalism as a capitalistic, economic, and socio phenomenon interpretation of "more". More regulation, more laws, more red tape, more government, more social programs, more spending, more taxes.

I'm watching american history x right now.

This is like almost the verbatim scene of connor filming his sister and spouting off about "hillary rodham clinton" and z i o n nation and liberal media.


This joke character is on point.

If not, you're fucking lost out of you mind.

Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4685 on: January 02, 2022, 11:37:24 AM »
It's about liberalism. Wokism to an extent as well, as per the Department of Health race ruling. My conclusion and argument made for pages? Liberalism does not work. Liberal solutions do not work.

What do you think liberalism is? As an ideological position, not as a Fox News strawman catch all.
Because you keep describing things that are fundamentally against most flavours of liberalisms core tenets as examples of why 'liberalism' is bad and doesn't work.

Fair enough and well met.

I'm currently on my phone now and can't explain this in-depth in a comfortable manner without access to a keyboard. However, in short, to me, I'm defining liberalism as a capitalistic, economic, and socio phenomenon interpretation of "more". More regulation, more laws, more red tape, more government, more social programs, more spending, more taxes.

I'm watching american history x right now.

This is like almost the verbatim scene of connor filming his sister and spouting off about "hillary rodham clinton".


This joke character is on point.

This is another case against liberalism. Liberals are dicks. Especially white liberals. Good Lord they're the fucking worst. Cauliflower is the gay equivalent of a Karen.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4686 on: January 02, 2022, 11:45:46 AM »
I am not endorsing libertarianism. I am libertarian as much as I am liberal. I am simply endorsing not-MAGA. Along with the idea that there are more than three choices and that you don't have to align yourself lockstep with any single one. (I also think that equating MAGA and conservatism is a misstep.)
Benji, query:

One of my biggest  niggles against libertarians has been their anti-tax rhetoric. I understand it but what do they suggest we replace taxes with? After all they fund important things such as public transport, bridges, healthcare. What's their alternative? I'm currently on state funded healthcare and I receive very good services. Is the anti-tax rhetoric not similar to leftists utopian ideals? A problem with liberalism/progressivism is that so much of it is hope based. "Wouldn't it be nice if....?" is basically their platform. I'm reading the Libertarian Party website now and taxes are the first issue listed on the platform. In what way is this not "wouldn't it be nice if there were no taxes?" Are libertarians going off of real world examples to produce results for their arguments or are they like the leftists and basing everything off of laughable emotions, and theory, and what ifs, and envisioning a future, and the political equivalent of being a LARPer?
Libertarians are not anarchists. That said, many are minarchists. Police, courts, military and minimal taxes. But this isn't a requirement. Hayek argued for a strong safety net. Milton Friedman was one of the earliest advocates of UBI. (And convinced the decidedly non-libertarian Nixon.) Ancaps are allies of libertarians for many reasons and they hold a strong position within the movement but they aren't even a plurality. Mises was more of an ancap. Nozick and Hess were all over the place. Some libertarians consider a VAT to be more libertarian than income taxes, arguably the opposite of the US status quo.

Libertarianism doesn't have a limiting principle, not even the NAP. American libertarians make lots of Constitution-based arguments because of its position within American political culture and because it provides an actual limiting principle. I'd argue that at least a plurality of libertarians (and libertarian-leaners, especially those who stay Republicans) don't like immigration. Yet for the first hundred years of the country there were no immigration laws at all. Nonetheless, many libertarians believe that the non-criminal violation of immigration law constitutes an "invasion" and justifies the creation of a military police state. Other libertarians (and especially ancaps) view the path as the eventual erasure of borders and thus support a streamlining of immigration law on the way to its eventual elimination and consider this both more libertarian and more constitutional. Many libertarians (though not the ancaps) believe in some form of what Tyler Cowen calls state capacity libertarianism on the basis that a strong state protects capitalism. But a strong state doesn't necessitate a large or highly active state either.

The joke about libertarians is the same as the one about economists, Jews, communists, etc. Put ten of them in a room and you'll get eleven opinions on what libertarianism is. Of course, all things being equal, a libertarian will usually argue for smaller government and less taxes than the status quo, whatever it is.

Most estimates are that libertarians and libertarian-leaners are about 5% of the American populace. A large chunk doesn't vote almost ever, another large chunk votes Republican, many are swing voters, many vote locally but don't care about the Presidency or Congress. Sometimes in a good year (2016 presidential race, 2013 Virginia governors race, etc.) a plurality will vote for the Libertarian Party itself based on the candidate. Sometimes Democrats even get libertarian support, see your Polis posts above but also people like Ron Wyden and the much mocked but sometimes not wrong liberaltarian which got revived as anti-Trump opposition after dormancy during the Obama presidency. There's also the left libertarian which is still not a libertarian socialist. (I think the former makes a much stronger case than the latter though it is more popular within self-described anarchists (and Yurop) than American libertarians.)

Again, I'm not suggesting you (or anyone) should be a libertarian for the views you've recently expressed, that's why I mentioned the Marxists against social studies warriors (Freddie de Boer is pretty prominent) and COVID hysteria (too many to mention) among the other choices. Not that there's anything wrong with being a libertarian inherently. More what I was expressing was that there's no need to throw yourself into the MAGA package (or any single package) over a single issue, opposition to Democrats and "liberal policies" or even a desire to vote Republican in the next local race. Instead it's fine to do all these things while being mostly libertarian, Marxist, liberal, neo-fascist, whatever.

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4687 on: January 02, 2022, 11:46:24 AM »
Imagine thinking you know who others are.

Wait that's what you're doing and so vehemently wrong.

It's like watching someone wrongly correct a slide in the rain. 

Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4688 on: January 02, 2022, 11:47:34 AM »
is himu confusing liberals and libertarians?

cause

:neogaf

Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4689 on: January 02, 2022, 11:53:04 AM »
I know you're a dick and that's enough for me.

Great Sage, here's more example of liberal oversight, lack of choice, and forcing their lifestyle on others.

https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/brooklynites-could-see-property-tax-hike-under-proposed-city-reforms/ar-AASjD9l?ocid=BingNewsSearch



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Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4690 on: January 02, 2022, 11:55:16 AM »
I am not endorsing libertarianism. I am libertarian as much as I am liberal. I am simply endorsing not-MAGA. Along with the idea that there are more than three choices and that you don't have to align yourself lockstep with any single one. (I also think that equating MAGA and conservatism is a misstep.)
Benji, query:

One of my biggest  niggles against libertarians has been their anti-tax rhetoric. I understand it but what do they suggest we replace taxes with? After all they fund important things such as public transport, bridges, healthcare. What's their alternative? I'm currently on state funded healthcare and I receive very good services. Is the anti-tax rhetoric not similar to leftists utopian ideals? A problem with liberalism/progressivism is that so much of it is hope based. "Wouldn't it be nice if....?" is basically their platform. I'm reading the Libertarian Party website now and taxes are the first issue listed on the platform. In what way is this not "wouldn't it be nice if there were no taxes?" Are libertarians going off of real world examples to produce results for their arguments or are they like the leftists and basing everything off of laughable emotions, and theory, and what ifs, and envisioning a future, and the political equivalent of being a LARPer?
Libertarians are not anarchists. That said, many are minarchists. Police, courts, military and minimal taxes. But this isn't a requirement. Hayek argued for a strong safety net. Milton Friedman was one of the earliest advocates of UBI. (And convinced the decidedly non-libertarian Nixon.) Ancaps are allies of libertarians for many reasons and they hold a strong position within the movement but they aren't even a plurality. Mises was more of an ancap. Nozick and Hess were all over the place. Some libertarians consider a VAT to be more libertarian than income taxes, arguably the opposite of the US status quo.

Libertarianism doesn't have a limiting principle, not even the NAP. American libertarians make lots of Constitution-based arguments because of its position within American political culture and because it provides an actual limiting principle. I'd argue that at least a plurality of libertarians (and libertarian-leaners, especially those who stay Republicans) don't like immigration. Yet for the first hundred years of the country there were no immigration laws at all. Nonetheless, many libertarians believe that the non-criminal violation of immigration law constitutes an "invasion" and justifies the creation of a military police state. Other libertarians (and especially ancaps) view the path as the eventual erasure of borders and thus support a streamlining of immigration law on the way to its eventual elimination and consider this both more libertarian and more constitutional. Many libertarians (though not the ancaps) believe in some form of what Tyler Cowen calls state capacity libertarianism on the basis that a strong state protects capitalism. But a strong state doesn't necessitate a large or highly active state either.

The joke about libertarians is the same as the one about economists, Jews, communists, etc. Put ten of them in a room and you'll get eleven opinions on what libertarianism is. Of course, all things being equal, a libertarian will usually argue for smaller government and less taxes than the status quo, whatever it is.

Most estimates are that libertarians and libertarian-leaners are about 5% of the American populace. A large chunk doesn't vote almost ever, another large chunk votes Republican, many are swing voters, many vote locally but don't care about the Presidency or Congress. Sometimes in a good year (2016 presidential race, 2013 Virginia governors race, etc.) a plurality will vote for the Libertarian Party itself based on the candidate. Sometimes Democrats even get libertarian support, see your Polis posts above but also people like Ron Wyden and the much mocked but sometimes not wrong liberaltarian which got revived as anti-Trump opposition after dormancy during the Obama presidency. There's also the left libertarian which is still not a libertarian socialist. (I think the former makes a much stronger case than the latter though it is more popular within self-described anarchists (and Yurop) than American libertarians.)

Again, I'm not suggesting you (or anyone) should be a libertarian for the views you've recently expressed, that's why I mentioned the Marxists against social studies warriors (Freddie de Boer is pretty prominent) and COVID hysteria (too many to mention) among the other choices. Not that there's anything wrong with being a libertarian inherently. More what I was expressing was that there's no need to throw yourself into the MAGA package (or any single package) over a single issue, opposition to Democrats and "liberal policies" or even a desire to vote Republican in the next local race. Instead it's fine to do all these things while being mostly libertarian, Marxist, liberal, neo-fascist, whatever.

True enough. MAGA and Republicans aren't even true conservatives at this point.

Yeah, I've read libertarian views on taxes and they're surprisingly open minded and diverse on it despite the "lol what about roads lol" meme.
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4691 on: January 02, 2022, 11:59:22 AM »
I know you're a dick and that's enough for me.

Great Sage, here's more example of liberal oversight, lack of choice, and forcing their lifestyle on others.

https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/brooklynites-could-see-property-tax-hike-under-proposed-city-reforms/ar-AASjD9l?ocid=BingNewsSearch





This isn't an ideological issue.

This is fuck you I got mine, lets kick every poor out, issue. It spans the spectrum.

It's like you don't read past the headline of what you post.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4692 on: January 02, 2022, 12:00:20 PM »
https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves
Story oddly doesn't mention how the same climate activists and Democrats (like AOC) in New York spent much of the prior year demanding Indian Point nuclear plant be shut down immediately and replaced with natural gas. To help fight climate change of course.

Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4693 on: January 02, 2022, 12:04:42 PM »
Benji I wanted to thank you for reminding me there's a choice beyond MAGA because I've been teetering on going that way for months.

https://www.vox.com/2021/12/16/22834653/new-york-gas-ban-buildings-climate-change-gas-stoves
Story oddly doesn't mention how the same climate activists and Democrats (like AOC) in New York spent much of the prior year demanding Indian Point nuclear plant be shut down immediately and replaced with natural gas. To help fight climate change of course.

Yeah the progressives like AOC are a massive fucking joke. :lol They truly believe their solutions and only their solutions are valid and want to force it on the rest of society.
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4694 on: January 02, 2022, 12:13:31 PM »
AOC getting under people's skin this early is pretty great to be honest.

trump knew this and it's what he feeded off when it queens time. and he won, because people are idiots.


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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4696 on: January 02, 2022, 12:18:59 PM »
that's the same type of bills crafted for politicians to be able to claim residency in a place that's an easy win during an election. but voting rights.


States rights deem that state residency is different from US residency. 

Are you against states rights?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4697 on: January 02, 2022, 12:24:03 PM »
If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4698 on: January 02, 2022, 12:30:53 PM »
If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)

Save for a few states. Any resident who pays local taxes and physically resides in a state is a resident in the state. And has rights to vote in local elections.

Residency for state tuition in colleges is a speed stop to get students to pay higher fees. Universities and colleges have no qualms about letting illegal immigrants studying at 3x rates of in state.

There is no illegal immigration between state because that falls under federal jurisdiction of sovereign nations. And guess what, states are not sovereign nations.




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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4699 on: January 02, 2022, 12:38:38 PM »
I don't care. Go guilt trip someone that does. Why is every liberal/progressive/socialist policy some emotional appeal?
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4700 on: January 02, 2022, 12:39:52 PM »
what guilt trip?.

You don't care about facts being laid out because, ironically you just react emotionally.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4701 on: January 02, 2022, 01:01:37 PM »
YES!!!!!

FIGHT FOR US AGAINST INSANITY, ADAMS.

https://nypost.com/2022/01/01/mayor-eric-adams-voices-concerns-about-nycs-non-citizen-voting-bill/?utm_source=reddit.com
Residents being able to vote in a local (and probably any) election is a good thing. Unless you think they should instead be rebated all the local taxes that they pay. (Something that should also be allowed for people who don't want to vote it would seem.)

Also:
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Adams, who had previously supported the legislation passed by a large majority of the City Council early last month.

...

Adams’ transportation commissioner and major backer, former Councilman Ydanis Rodriguez (D-Manhattan) was the primary sponsor of the bill.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4702 on: January 02, 2022, 01:04:06 PM »
If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)
They’re green card holders, not illegal immigrants


Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4704 on: January 02, 2022, 02:26:52 PM »
how will himu post on twitter now?

Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4705 on: January 02, 2022, 02:31:41 PM »
I like you're obsessed with me. Even though Biden is trash I will say he was lawfully elected. I even voted for him. Like all leftists you are only capable of sounding off your talking points. You have no power here and I find your obsession with me cute as much as I find it pathetic.

If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)
They’re green card holders, not illegal immigrants

True. Thanks for the clarification in language.

Benji: I'm fine with voting in local elections. The problem is the 30 day clause with Adams hopes to kill.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4706 on: January 02, 2022, 02:39:05 PM »
your the only active poster on here now that upper management got rid of nintex filler.

 you are the one who somehow connected me to an old dispute from 10(?) years ago?



unless your toxic which would make my day.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4707 on: January 02, 2022, 02:44:00 PM »
you are the one who somehow connected me to an old dispute from 10(?) years ago?

I have no idea who or what you're talking about.
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Cauliflower Of Love

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4708 on: January 02, 2022, 02:46:57 PM »
you are the one who somehow connected me to an old dispute from 10(?) years ago?

I have no idea who or what you're talking about.

ok

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4709 on: January 02, 2022, 03:08:17 PM »
you are the one who somehow connected me to an old dispute from 10(?) years ago?

I have no idea who or what you're talking about.

ok

I don't hold grudges. Not long anyways. Definitely not for ten years.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4710 on: January 02, 2022, 03:16:37 PM »
#freenintex
#freefiller
#saveusfromhimu
Spud

Himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4711 on: January 02, 2022, 03:20:51 PM »
#freenintex
#freefiller
#saveusfromhimu
Last page you were rooting for the Himji libertopian team up. Flip flopped : stahp
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4712 on: January 02, 2022, 03:25:21 PM »
Benji: I'm fine with voting in local elections. The problem is the 30 day clause with Adams hopes to kill.
What's the fear? That thousands upon thousands of people will uproot their lives to become residents in NYC for a month for the purposes of voting then immediately leave?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4713 on: January 02, 2022, 04:16:05 PM »
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Last page you were rooting for the Himji libertopian team up. Flip flopped : stahp

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4714 on: January 02, 2022, 04:39:39 PM »
imagine being wrong

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4716 on: January 02, 2022, 05:25:44 PM »
Watch these videos. Look how many are black people or latinos. Minorities are being specifically targeted. You see this on some video display next to a bus stop.

Notice how they're almost all black.

You left one out from that "why I got vaccinated" series:



And then this one has people of different races in it.



It's almost as if NYC is a giant melting pot, with a lot of minorities, and they're putting out videos featuring people of different races and ethnic groups. I see they put out videos in multiple languages, too.  Perhaps there is a larger focus on minorities here because they have data showing that some groups are less vaccinated than others?  I dunno.

Have you read a damn thing I said? Of course they have data some groups are less vaccinated. You would do well to make less arguments and try to understand. You don't take my points made as a whole.

I'm responding to your posts, with videos, in particular.

You, like Rumbler, think this is just about ads because you're both fools.

Well, that's true- it was pretty foolish of me to even try replying!
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4717 on: January 02, 2022, 05:37:37 PM »
Benji: I'm fine with voting in local elections. The problem is the 30 day clause with Adams hopes to kill.
What's the fear? That thousands upon thousands of people will uproot their lives to become residents in NYC for a month for the purposes of voting then immediately leave?

It's just weird to me someone can live here for 30 days and vote but I have to stay here for a year to obtain residency and qualify for in state tuition costs. Where's the balance? I thought this was about equality? Seems to me it's Democrats using minorities for voting pawns on the assumption they'll vote D.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4718 on: January 02, 2022, 05:40:11 PM »
free tuition paid for the government would sol....



capitalism

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4719 on: January 02, 2022, 05:41:30 PM »
free tuition paid for the government would sol....



capitalism

No one said anything about free tuition.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4720 on: January 02, 2022, 05:43:06 PM »
someone did

shutup communist

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4721 on: January 02, 2022, 05:45:35 PM »
It's just weird to me someone can live here for 30 days and vote but I have to stay here for a year to obtain residency and qualify for in state tuition costs.
Why do you think these two things are connected?

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4723 on: January 02, 2022, 05:52:19 PM »
what do you think about first nation invaders himu

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4724 on: January 02, 2022, 05:53:09 PM »
It's just weird to me someone can live here for 30 days and vote but I have to stay here for a year to obtain residency and qualify for in state tuition costs.
Why do you think these two things are connected?

They aren't. But seems pretty unfair to me! Why don't you make a case in its favor?
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4725 on: January 02, 2022, 06:08:47 PM »
I hate chocolate.

Time to burn down the *checks notes* oatmeal factory.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4726 on: January 02, 2022, 06:28:22 PM »
You can't even make your case without deflecting and mockery. :) Keep proving me right about liberal policies. If they work as intended you'd be able to defend them. But you can't because you only know how to parrot. Pathetic.

I'm not even against people with green cards voting, but being able to vote in an election while staying here for only a month?ake your case. You should learn to engage like Benji. Your posts are incredibly emotional and infantile. Like most liberals and socialists you are only able to cater to emotion and guilt tripping rather than informing and then you wonder why no one likes leftists and we vote "against our best interests". Make a non emotional case for allowing 30 days.

And like a typical leftist, you have to do the *checks notes* thing. Always the same with you people. It's almost like a cult.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4727 on: January 02, 2022, 06:33:21 PM »
you literally said you don't care after I explained it. Look back in the last page.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4728 on: January 02, 2022, 06:37:44 PM »
you literally said you don't care after I explained it. Look back in the last page.

I didn't even read it the first time because of your stupid posts about American History X;et al.

If it takes me a year to become a state resident to get in state tuition rate an illegal immigrant shouldn't have the right to vote within 30 days of arriving here. :)

Save for a few states. Any resident who pays local taxes and physically resides in a state is a resident in the state. And has rights to vote in local elections.

Residency for state tuition in colleges is a speed stop to get students to pay higher fees. Universities and colleges have no qualms about letting illegal immigrants studying at 3x rates of in state.

There is no illegal immigration between state because that falls under federal jurisdiction of sovereign nations. And guess what, states are not sovereign nations.

Fair enough. Why 30 days, though?
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4729 on: January 02, 2022, 06:40:24 PM »
State laws.

Why should it not be 30 days?

Is someone squatting for 30 days to just vote in local elections about zoning changes?

It's 30 days because that's the average of people to get a place month to month, and decide they're hanging around.

And since you brought it up again, your rant was straight out of the xenophobic rant from American History X, from an ignorant tool being used.


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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4730 on: January 02, 2022, 06:46:08 PM »
State laws.

Why should it not be 30 days?

Is someone squatting for 30 days to just vote in local elections about zoning changes?

It's 30 days because that's the average of people to get a place month to month, and decide they're hanging around.

Fair enough.

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And since you brought it up again, your rant was straight out of the xenophobic rant from American History X, from an ignorant tool being used.

Here comes the accusations and crocodile tears as if I give a shit.


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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4731 on: January 02, 2022, 06:48:34 PM »
do you know what crocodile tears are?

Look, I know you've had a revelation on life, but that's usually followed with "damn I should keep my mind open" , but all you've done is spout stupid shit that are blindly ignorant.


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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4732 on: January 02, 2022, 06:50:05 PM »
do you know what crocodile tears are?

Look, I know you've had a revelation on life, but that's usually followed with "damn I should keep my mind open" , but all you've done is spout stupid shit that are blindly ignorant.

And all you've done is point fingers and be an ass. Why not dig further just to spite you? Keep a mind open? Like the left that always shames and mocks? Kiss my ass. I keep an open mind to people that give me respect. You deserve none.
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« Reply #4733 on: January 02, 2022, 06:52:44 PM »
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4734 on: January 02, 2022, 06:54:22 PM »
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Like the left that always shames?


I'm sorry you got hoodwinked.

Hood winked?

No one tricked me at all I go by personal experience. I always treat others the way they treat me. I react energy with energy and the left, overwhelmingly, are condescending dipshits with fingers that wag endlessly.
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4735 on: January 02, 2022, 07:12:19 PM »
They aren't. But seems pretty unfair to me! Why don't you make a case in its favor?
I thought I did on the prior page. Letting residents vote promotes taxation with representation.

30 days seems like a concession to those who don't want residents to be able to vote at all. A one day residency may be pushing things even if I did find it amusing when Matt Walsh "moved" to Virginia for a single day just to harass a school board that was trying to block him. A week seems like more than enough to dissuade all but a handful of people from establishing residency simply to vote in an election and leave.

I'm also not sure that this is some kind of Democratic plot to increase their already substantial power because the Democrats win most NYC elections in landslides anyway which is what kills turnout. If anything the best targets would be in the even lower turnout primary races which would be interparty conflicts. AOC wouldn't be a thing if Joe Crowley was able to use Democratic Party funds to bus in 4019 voters for primary day.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4736 on: January 02, 2022, 07:15:59 PM »
My take is for it to boost low turnout and prevent progressive takeover of NYC politics which...putting into perspective, is a good thing. Thank you Benji. Also, a month is definitely more reasonable than a week. I'm just curious about why that specific number (30 days).
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4737 on: January 02, 2022, 07:18:35 PM »
Business accounting runs on monthly/quarterly/yearly runs.

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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4738 on: January 02, 2022, 07:32:14 PM »
Good argument. I can see that. Thank you sharing your perspective.

Why do you think someone convinced me of these views as if the government itself isn't making mandates, and woke policies;etc? Say you support vaccines but really dislike even the idea of a mandate and you're shouted at. Literally. In your face. Why would you be surprised someone would be pushed right?
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Re: USA Politics Thread |OT| Resist Australian-style Fascism
« Reply #4739 on: January 02, 2022, 07:38:00 PM »
I haven't heard a single argument against mandates for mask or vaccines that haven't been diluted into "because me".

Coronavirus is not a little thing. Point Blank. Nearly 5 million accounted people have died from it. Because people were flippant about it.

I don't know much about you, and my personal stuff about you, is that you are easily convinced, from the internet history of fucking gaf.  I apologize if I got some wrong. 

I'm not tryin to attack you. But you are eating alot of stupid shit.