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[Propagandhim]

I don't know enough about law to determine if the judge's protective nature of the defense is out of line or a clear bias.  Being a bulldog like that could just be a routine part of a judge's curation of the court room procedure.  Someone smarter and less ignorant than me clue me in?

[benjipwns]

A judge hostile to the prosecution is a good thing actually.

Traditionally, progressives realized this, but now their entire reality is based around seeing people they despise politically thrown in prison for life.

[Boredfrom]

That Apple Ipad shit was stupid, thought. Dunno how someone can defend BS like that.

[Propagandhim]

 

[Boredfrom]

 

(me from a country were we dont deify veterans)

[Propagandhim]

(me from a country were we dont deify veterans)

It's Veterans Day in the US.  He asked if anyone at all in the courtroom was a Veteran.   I feel like every country has a day like this.

[Boredfrom]

(me from a country were we dont deify veterans)

It's Veterans Day in the US.  He asked if anyone at all in the courtroom was a Veteran.

So? Is a fucking trial.

[Propagandhim]

(me from a country were we dont deify veterans)

It's Veterans Day in the US.  He asked if anyone at all in the courtroom was a Veteran.

So? Is a fucking trial.

Exactly - so what?

[Boredfrom]

(me from a country were we dont deify veterans)

It's Veterans Day in the US.  He asked if anyone at all in the courtroom was a Veteran.

So? Is a fucking trial.

Exactly - so what?

Why applaud?

[benjipwns]

Judges do stupid things like that in their courtroom all the time, it's not any kind of evidence for a rigged trial in favor of the defense.

Earlier the judge was reading about cookies during testimony, it means nothing.

[Propagandhim]

White supremacists (especially white supremacist judges) love applauding veterans dude.  It's like the "ok" sign for WWII vets - telling them to go fuck themselves for fighting for the wrong side.

[Boredfrom]

Judges do stupid things like that in their courtroom all the time, it's not any kind of evidence for a rigged trial in favor of the defense.

Still fucking stupid and the people have reason to complain in social media. I dont even care about whatever the guy gets free or not, it looks like a depressing clown show from both sides.

[Propagandhim]

Well, I'm with you on the ipad thing.  That was bad.  But I chalk that up to him being old and incompetent with tech.

[benjipwns]

Still fucking stupid and the people have reason to complain in social media.

Not when framing it as some kind of malicious agenda on the part of the judge.

I dont even care about whatever the guy gets free or not, it looks like a depressing clown shoe from both sides.

Again, no, actually, it's a good thing that innocent people go free.

[Joe Molotov]

(me from a country were we dont deify veterans)

It's Veterans Day in the US.  He asked if anyone at all in the courtroom was a Veteran.

So? Is a fucking trial.

Exactly - so what?

Why applaud?

tbf, a showing of Marvel's The Eternals had just ended

[Boredfrom]

Still fucking stupid and the people have reason to complain in social media.

Not when framing it as some kind of malicious agenda on the part of the judge.

The asshole is making himself a easy target of that, not like he cares it seems. I can totally believe he is just a old fart that doesnt understand technology and he is a fair judge that doesnt care about optics, is still stupid shit he is doing.

I dont even care about whatever the guy gets free or not, it looks like a depressing clown shoe from both sides.

Again, no, actually, it's a good thing that innocent people go free.

Even if the process is shit and a clown show that would cast doubt on you forever?

Like I said, I dunno if the guy is innocent or not, but is irritating anyone taking sides in this one when has been a shitshow optics wise in a country were vaccines are a political issue for some insane reason.

[Propagandhim]

There's a supply jam at long beach harbor.  he's making a stupid quip about how he's hungry and wants to eat.   All he can think about is food, like Herman Goring.

[HaughtyFrank]

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There's a supply jam at long beach harbor.  he's making a stupid quip about how he's hungry and wants to eat.   All he can think about is food, like Herman Goring.

No! Actually he was racist and then got hungry!

It reads like he tried to be racist but got too hungry in the middle.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-rules-link-to-proud-boys-would-be-poison-at-trial.488062/post-76853088

[Boredfrom]

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There's a supply jam at long beach harbor.  he's making a stupid quip about how he's hungry and wants to eat.   All he can think about is food, like Herman Goring.

No! Actually he was racist and then got hungry!

It reads like he tried to be racist but got too hungry in the middle.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-rules-link-to-proud-boys-would-be-poison-at-trial.488062/post-76853088

Or he is senile.

[benjipwns]

Even if the process is shit and a clown show that would cast doubt on you forever?

Like I said, I dunno if the guy is innocent or not, but is irritating anyone taking sides in this one when has been a shitshow optics wise in a country were vaccines are a political issue for some insane reason.

The only part of this process I've seen that's been shit and a clown show is the prosecution.

The fact that it's apparently babby's first trial for a bunch of blue checks on Twitter and their uncritical sycophants who don't believe in due process, human rights and the rule of law casts no doubts on the process for me. The fact that they're so desperate to tar a judge as a senile racist Trump agent for apparently being slightly favorable to, again, the defense in an attempt fan the outrage flames casts them better in the light for their malicious agenda.

[jorma]

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There's a supply jam at long beach harbor.  he's making a stupid quip about how he's hungry and wants to eat.   All he can think about is food, like Herman Goring.

yeah i heard he even ordered a nasi goreng
shameless, really

[Boredfrom]

I didnt say the defense wasnt a shitshow, Benji. Neither that twitter is not in "bitch eating crackers" with that judge most of the time.

I just dont found this clear cut in the old "Us vs them" binary system when the judge also seems like a prick and defense argue about Ipad algorithms.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/the_moviebob/status/1458862105487192068

SLAY EM KING

[HaughtyFrank]

Yah, listening to it again it sounds like he stumbles over the is/isn't part. He's trying to say, "Hopefully the Asian food is coming at 1:00 and ISN'T stuck on one of the boats at long beach harbor." (supply chain issues).

Wow. He's one of those conservatives, isn't he?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kyle-rittenhouse-judge-rules-link-to-proud-boys-would-be-poison-at-trial.488062/post-76861971


 

[benjipwns]

They don't even know why they're outraged they just know they're supposed to be.

[Joe Molotov]

It reads like he tried to be racist but got too hungry in the middle.

same tbh

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-watched-the-country-music-awards-for-the-first-time.513036/

The CMAs were on last night and I figured, why the hell not? Let me at least try to expand my horizons. For context I've never listened to country at great length and just dismissed it as the soundtrack for the ku klux klan. But I've always kinda felt that was a nasty and unfair generalization. For the genre to remain so consistently and massively popular as it is surely means even a small sliver can be enjoyed by casual listeners. So as hard it as was I locked myself into a 3-hour long experiment.

And idk, man. I'm disappointed I feel the same. It actually reinforced my preconceptions and I hate that. Because I listen to just about everything...rap, rock, folk, pop. Good music is good music. But I couldn't help but feel many of the performances were overwrought and pandering. And flat out depressing. Like, everybody's woman or man left them and now it's just gonna be a life of crippling alcoholism?? While sitting in the back of an F150? And what is with the exaggerated drawl? It's grating. I grew up in the south and yeah bumpkins exist but everyone does not talk like Jeff Bridges.

I alluded to "it's just redneck music" earlier but to the show's credit it did seem to try to be inclusive. At first I was like damn where did they find these tapdancing negroes but I reeled in my cynicism. They even honored Aretha Franklin which was neat. None of it turned my opinion though. It makes me wonder if it's even necessarily wrong for an institution like country music to be overwhelmingly white, "SUthURN" and proud. By all means the folks on stage seemed pretty congenial. I certainly cannot relate to any of their subject matter lmao. But maybe I'll just have to live with that as much as I'd love to broaden my musical palate.

Meanwhile

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-like-rap-music.512625/#post-76794666

User Banned (1 Month): Creating a troll thread, numerous previous infractions for trolling

User Banned (Permanent): Racist trolling. Prior bans for sexist objectification and downplaying systemic racism.

simple answer no because its not music. im sorry it just isnt

[tiesto]

User Banned (1 Month): Transphobic trolling

Was glad to see that Forza Horizon 5 let you choose pronouns as well.

"Do you like my car?" "Oh, they're beautiful what make is it?"

what if it's...

...wait for it...
...wait
.....just a little bit longer
.....it's coming


a trans-AM


 

 

[10centtacos]

6k views and under 100 replies. We see you most progressive video game forum on teh webz. 

[Cauliflower Of Love]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/i-watched-the-country-music-awards-for-the-first-time.513036/

The CMAs were on last night and I figured, why the hell not? Let me at least try to expand my horizons. For context I've never listened to country at great length and just dismissed it as the soundtrack for the ku klux klan. But I've always kinda felt that was a nasty and unfair generalization. For the genre to remain so consistently and massively popular as it is surely means even a small sliver can be enjoyed by casual listeners. So as hard it as was I locked myself into a 3-hour long experiment.

And idk, man. I'm disappointed I feel the same. It actually reinforced my preconceptions and I hate that. Because I listen to just about everything...rap, rock, folk, pop. Good music is good music. But I couldn't help but feel many of the performances were overwrought and pandering. And flat out depressing. Like, everybody's woman or man left them and now it's just gonna be a life of crippling alcoholism?? While sitting in the back of an F150? And what is with the exaggerated drawl? It's grating. I grew up in the south and yeah bumpkins exist but everyone does not talk like Jeff Bridges.

I alluded to "it's just redneck music" earlier but to the show's credit it did seem to try to be inclusive. At first I was like damn where did they find these tapdancing negroes but I reeled in my cynicism. They even honored Aretha Franklin which was neat. None of it turned my opinion though. It makes me wonder if it's even necessarily wrong for an institution like country music to be overwhelmingly white, "SUthURN" and proud. By all means the folks on stage seemed pretty congenial. I certainly cannot relate to any of their subject matter lmao. But maybe I'll just have to live with that as much as I'd love to broaden my musical palate.

Meanwhile

https://www.resetera.com/threads/do-you-like-rap-music.512625/#post-76794666

User Banned (1 Month): Creating a troll thread, numerous previous infractions for trolling

User Banned (Permanent): Racist trolling. Prior bans for sexist objectification and downplaying systemic racism.

simple answer no because its not music. im sorry it just isnt

That reads like a bo burnahm troll, more than anything.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

User Banned (1 Month): Transphobic trolling

Was glad to see that Forza Horizon 5 let you choose pronouns as well.

"Do you like my car?" "Oh, they're beautiful what make is it?"

what if it's...

...wait for it...
...wait
.....just a little bit longer
.....it's coming


a trans-AM


 

If Forza is worried about it, they'll take the badging of it, like they did with all the Chev SS.

[BadAss2961]

Rittenhouse judge is sketchy af.

Between his pro-defense ground rules of the evidence allowed at trial, live lambasting of the prosecution, that applause for the lone veteran who just happened to be the defense witness, that stupid dog whistle of a conservative ringtone, and whatever else i'm missing... Shit is comical 

Might as well let Judge Mathis do the Ahmaud Arbery trial to call it even.

[FUME5]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/im-a-cannabis-addict-and-getting-off-of-it-has-been-hell-anyone-else-relate-to-drug-withdrawals.513093/

This dude is fucking insufferable.

[Snoopycat_]

That guy is obviously mental. I'm sure the weed didn't help, but he's not telling the full story -

, even though I'm on 5 psych meds

Nobody is getting that amount of meds for weed addiction.

[benjipwns]

Between his pro-defense ground rules of the evidence allowed at trial, live lambasting of the prosecution

The judge was absolutely correct in these though.

I mean, I wouldn't personally scream at an attorney, not even a prosecutor, but they definitely deserve lectures for trying to enter dismissed evidence and for trying to claim that invoking Fifth Amendment rights are evidence of guilt.

This is like the entire point of judges.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-anyone-else-burnt-out-tired-of-work.512958/

I’ve had a busy week with meetings back to back all day, pretty much. Today is the first day I have time to breathe. I am finding that lately I just feel super tired of the work I’m doing and want to be doing something else. I want to stay at my current job but I am just getting bored of doing the same thing over and over, it’s just making me lose interest and making the days go by slowly. I actually feel like collectively most people are feeling this way right now, it seems like everyone needs a break or something.

[FUME5]

That guy is obviously mental. I'm sure the weed didn't help, but he's not telling the full story -

, even though I'm on 5 psych meds

Nobody is getting that amount of meds for weed addiction.

This is the poly guy who had a relationship therapist as well as his standard one, has had rhino and lipo already, had a hissy fit cause his friend didn't want to fuck him after he came out as poly etc etc etc.

One things for sure, his hardcore weed addiction (lmfao) and resultant munchies probably undid whatever benefits he got from lipo.

[benjipwns]

I know nothing about the current state of weed, especially in vaping form, but that thread sure sounds like a lot of other old farts going "the weed back in my day wasn't as dangerous!"

[railGUN]

I'm an expert and my expert opinion on that thread is:

[FUME5]

The man is addicted to attention more than he's ever been addicted to anything else.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/young-people-not-educated-people-drive-woke-ness-and-even-they-dont-care-much.513126/#post-76863114

i've been banned multiple times on resetera.com so i agree that cancel culture is definitely a problem

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/young-people-not-educated-people-drive-woke-ness-and-even-they-dont-care-much.513126/

Why is incelchief allowed to shit up that entire thread because it is talking about stuff she don't like? She has, by far, the most posts in that thread and nearly all of them is her rambling bs.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/young-people-not-educated-people-drive-woke-ness-and-even-they-dont-care-much.513126/

Why is incelchief allowed to shit up that entire thread because it is talking about stuff she don't like? She has, by far, the most posts in that thread and nearly all of them is her rambling bs.

Seems really threatened by the idea that people will continue to focus on a politics that pursues materialist gains rather than engaging in a politics that defines all things as violence and proclaims there are no possible solutions.

[Uncle]

one would think that finding out your opinion is in the extreme minority would grant you even MORE power due to your minority status

[Averon]

Incelchief and Nepnep are so taken aback and threaten that even minorities they purport to champion prefer kitchen tale economic issues to aggressive social justice politics. Why are they so surprised? Pretty hard to care about and fight against injustice when you can barely pay rent or don't know if you can pay for your meds to stay alive.

[nobody of note]

It has to be so frustrating that they can't just ban all the survey respondents and call them alt-right trolls acting in bad faith; given the way electoral politics work in the US, a lot of that shit needs to become more widespread accepted and popular before it has a chance in hell of being advanced as policy or becomes common (ie, 'pregnant person' isn't going to be a thing unless you manage to get a lot of people to understand why it needs to be a thing. Which needs to be explained to people, and not in a lecturing holier-than-thou way, if you want even a fraction of a chance at success.) But since all of the people who so vehemently care about it are far, far too tired and shouldn't be burdened with trying to solve the problem, since it should totally be on the majority that doesn't give a fuck to do it, they'll just dunk on the article and echo-chamber themselves to sleep then be shocked when their pet issues aren't treated with the utmost importance.

Also can't tell if this is going to catch a ban or if I'm reading it wrong, but I'm guessing it leads to ban:

There is a certain extreme flavor of "wokeism" that is anti-intellectual.  It's been explained to me before that trying to view complicated issues from multiple viewpoints is called both-sidesing and is a sure sign that someone is a Nazi sympathizer

[Averon]

They are already attacking people agreeing with article, if not the sentiment of the article.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-anyone-else-burnt-out-tired-of-work.512958/

I’ve had a busy week with meetings back to back all day, pretty much. Today is the first day I have time to breathe. I am finding that lately I just feel super tired of the work I’m doing and want to be doing something else. I want to stay at my current job but I am just getting bored of doing the same thing over and over, it’s just making me lose interest and making the days go by slowly. I actually feel like collectively most people are feeling this way right now, it seems like everyone needs a break or something.

Username checks out

[benjipwns]

As that thread shows, they will never fundamentally grapple with the fact this is their position:
"End social injustice."
"Okay, I agree. How?"
"You can't, all people are inherently evil."

Most people aren't interested in a fatalist politics that says nothing can be done and anyone who disagrees is a bad person.

[nobody of note]

And Nepenthe successfully baits one:

Speak for yourself,I've been going on message boards since before there were any huge message boards. I've never been banned once my entire life until I came to this site.

Maybe those other message boards didn't give a shit about bigotry as much as we do, back during a time where sociopolitical awareness was more ignorable, and thus you might have been able to post things that actually weren't all that swell until you decided to get checked for it here? Maybe that ban was a learning opportunity? Perhaps?

What? So now I'm a bigot? See this is the kind of stuff I'm talking about, people here want to act like they're so inclusive and understanding
yet it's like people are just looking for reasons to lash out at people on here over the slightest difference of opinion.

When people are saying that even their most liberal groups of friends don't go as far as the people on this site maybe that should be a lesson that people on here are taking things too far with the thought policing and putting words and thoughts in other people's mouths

And now he and his obvious bigotry are the topic of discussion.

Digging through his history, he caught a threadban-turned-one-week-ban for an argument in this thread:
https://www.resetera.com/threads/politico-biden-would-revamp-fraying-intel-community.310615/
Which does, in fact, feature  this happening:

America funded the Nazis, turned away refugees and didn’t even enter the war until we got personally attacked.

To a point,yes but nobody's perfect. Sweden and Switzerland helped them out significantly as well.

In the end though we spilled much of our own blood defeating a greater evil.

You literally were defending nazis a few posts ago. I'm not making it up. Its what you posted

Did I ever say I wanted to dismantle all of the IC? Don't think I ever did so good job putting words in my mouth.

Its clear you can into this thread with bad faith so i find it rich your accusing others of it.

No I didn't say that,you're delusional.

To a point,yes but nobody's perfect. Sweden and Switzerland helped them out significantly as well.

In the end though we spilled much of our own blood defeating a greater evil.

This is the quote which is me responding to a post saying that the US worked with the Nazis before we were attacked and entered the war.

I was responding saying yes that did happen to a point but nobody's perfect as in no nation is perfect they all have faults of some type or another.

I then listed a couple of other countries that people seem to mostly talk well about who did significant work with the Nazis to show that it wasn't just the US but their own European neighbors that were being shady.

The last part is referring to the blood spilled battling the Nazis whom I stated as the greater evil,hardly supportive I would say?

From this you somehow say that I support Nazis?

If you’re going to come at someone with such a heinous accusation please come with something better than the equivalent of Rudy's laptop.

That's his last post in the thread; the thread itself dies out ~10 posts later. Pity he derailed it by making other people call him Nazi supporter.

[nudemacusers]

one day liberals will realize that broke people (as in actual poor people, not 'I can't buy all the collector edition games I want this month" poor) care deeply more about their pocketbook and health than their self-actualization.

hard to worry about supreme court justice picks and rude tweets when you are sucking down minimum wage across three jobs just to keep the lights on.

[benjipwns]

Liberals are ultimately useless for achieving what I want, which is actual liberation from capitalism and colonialism.

[HaughtyFrank]

Now Nepenthe is talking about taking criticism with grace 

[Potato]

one day liberals will realize that broke people (as in actual poor people, not 'I can't buy all the collector edition games I want this month" poor) care deeply more about their pocketbook and health than their self-actualization.

hard to worry about supreme court justice picks and rude tweets when you are sucking down minimum wage across three jobs just to keep the lights on.

Somebody should create a model which ranks human needs into a hierarchy and discusses how people who can't satisfy their basic needs cannot concern themselves with their higher order needs such as self-actualisation and explain that to upper middle class Reeeees whose parents take care of their lower order needs but seem stuck on realising the love and belonging needs because they have excommunicated their family because uncle David once forgot to use their they/them pronouns at Christmas dinner.

[Propagandhim]

Liberals are ultimately useless for achieving what I want, which is actual liberation from capitalism and colonialism.

Waiting for Cerium to wake up to read this shit

[nobody of note]

Poster basically agrees this is A Problem Harming Achieving Progressive Ends:

I'm not even saying that it should be less woke or conscientious; I fully believe that any recession of leftists on twitter would just open the door for alt-right types to completely flood twitter and turn it into another FB like hellscape.

All I do know is that, within my life, this poll (and another one that got published/discussed in the PoliEra thread that also came out this week) is fully reconciled with what i'm seeing in my immediate, left-leaning friend group. The only times i've ever seen them be driven away or pushed to disengage with politics or current events is when a topic they considered to be woke/cancel-culture oriented was shoved in their faces.

My feeling, honestly, is that that disengagement paves the way for alt-right disinformation to come in and potentially flip any of these folks. I saw it happen with FB/outer orbit friends/family of mine. I know i'm not the only one who has seen it.

The only other thing I can contribute to this discussion is that i'm gen 1 American. I have a ton of immigrant folks and family members in my outer orbit. And I have seen just how devastating the WhatsApp disinformation networks has done to these communities in the last 2 years or so. I know entire groups who used to voted D for decades who are now voting R. I know there are polls showcasing GOP support with minorities is on the rise, but I don't think the left has properly taken stock in just how fucking pervasive this phenomenon is. I know John Oliver did a special on it, but this stuff is WAY worse than even that Last Week Tonight special showcased. I know that this is a tad off-topic, but i'll tell you this - this poll is definitely reflected in my inner-orbit/ left-leaning friend group. But if you were to take Gen 0/Gen 1 Americans and present the same sort of social cultural issues to them, they are basically Republicans on the cultural front. Assuming that immigrant voters are a lock as far as democratic voters is concerned is just not realistic from what i've been seeing.

Excel has the solution:

No one cares about your shitty fucking friends

I swear to fucking god the worst part of Era is when I agree with them on a general outcome and then realize the only path they'll accept to that outcome is temper tantrums until magic fixes it.

[benjipwns]

I will never understand this idea that is constantly peddled that we can achieve progressive ideals by abandoning vulnerable communties who would benefit most from said ideals (and thus be most valuable in the fight for them), and not engage them on the very progressive issues they care about.

Guess what, those communities don't care about your so-called "progressive issues" at all. Keep telling Blacks how you want to abolish the police to fund white circle jerks and calling the fastest rising demographic "Latinx" though. I'm sure it will achieve as much for "progressive ideals" as screaming about "white fragility" has.

[Propagandhim]

I swear to fucking god the worst part of Era is when I agree with them on a general outcome and then realize the only path they'll accept to that outcome is temper tantrums until magic fixes it.

Nobody thinks they can learn anything from people who have personalities like this.  Extremely negative curmudgeon misanthropes are hell to be around, let alone hell to organize their political life around.

[Uncle]

I'm not even saying that it should be less woke or conscientious; I fully believe that any recession of leftists on twitter would just open the door for alt-right types to completely flood twitter and turn it into another FB like hellscape.

most left people agree that twitter is already a shitty hellscape and not even because of any political group, it's just vaguely, generically shit and awful and people who use it constantly end up feeling awful

so who the fuck cares about ceding ground to anyone there


is era really sad that they left neogaf and they ceded all that ground to let it became a right wing hellscape?

[Transhuman]

Poster basically agrees this is A Problem Harming Achieving Progressive Ends:

I'm not even saying that it should be less woke or conscientious; I fully believe that any recession of leftists on twitter would just open the door for alt-right types to completely flood twitter and turn it into another FB like hellscape.

All I do know is that, within my life, this poll (and another one that got published/discussed in the PoliEra thread that also came out this week) is fully reconciled with what i'm seeing in my immediate, left-leaning friend group. The only times i've ever seen them be driven away or pushed to disengage with politics or current events is when a topic they considered to be woke/cancel-culture oriented was shoved in their faces.

My feeling, honestly, is that that disengagement paves the way for alt-right disinformation to come in and potentially flip any of these folks. I saw it happen with FB/outer orbit friends/family of mine. I know i'm not the only one who has seen it.

The only other thing I can contribute to this discussion is that i'm gen 1 American. I have a ton of immigrant folks and family members in my outer orbit. And I have seen just how devastating the WhatsApp disinformation networks has done to these communities in the last 2 years or so. I know entire groups who used to voted D for decades who are now voting R. I know there are polls showcasing GOP support with minorities is on the rise, but I don't think the left has properly taken stock in just how fucking pervasive this phenomenon is. I know John Oliver did a special on it, but this stuff is WAY worse than even that Last Week Tonight special showcased. I know that this is a tad off-topic, but i'll tell you this - this poll is definitely reflected in my inner-orbit/ left-leaning friend group. But if you were to take Gen 0/Gen 1 Americans and present the same sort of social cultural issues to them, they are basically Republicans on the cultural front. Assuming that immigrant voters are a lock as far as democratic voters is concerned is just not realistic from what i've been seeing.

Excel has the solution:

No one cares about your shitty fucking friends

I swear to fucking god the worst part of Era is when I agree with them on a general outcome and then realize the only path they'll accept to that outcome is temper tantrums until magic fixes it.

"Conservatives are always looking for converts, whereas liberals are always looking for heretics"