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benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15000 on: March 14, 2022, 07:53:29 PM »
Would have been funnier if Sony did it like Nintendo and nobody knew what it'd be about so there were pages of hype just with a sudden realization they couldn't continue posting about the subject of it while the staff scrambles to make a STAFF COMMUNICATION to address it. And then they'd have to be paranoid about any future ones too.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15001 on: March 14, 2022, 08:08:00 PM »

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15002 on: March 14, 2022, 08:16:50 PM »
Meanwhile, over on NeoGoof, there are a bunch of old man shut-in nerds on a videogame forum yelling at clouds

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-are-zoomers-and-millenials-so-soft.1632538/

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Many zoomers and millenials want to restrict free speech because someone might say something they disagree with, are easily offended about everything, take "mental health days" over the tiniest things (it really has to do with having no work ethic), and even their choice of entertainment compared to previous generations (Fortnite, Lil Nas X, etc.) is way softer. There's nothing edgy or cool about their culture. How did this happen?

Same OP:

https://www.neogaf.com/threads/why-are-boomers-so-bad-with-technology.1632426/

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I find it ironic when boomers talk about how stupid and selfish the generations after them are yet the second they need help turning on an iPad they run to them for help. One of the most frustrating things is teaching boomers how to use any technology, especially when they talk about everyone being useless brats when many of them would be completely helpless trying to navigate the modern world without the help of younger people.

Just screams desperate plea for attention on a dead forum.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15003 on: March 14, 2022, 08:17:45 PM »
apropos of nothing but earlier discussion on Turning Red and movie reviewers etc, stumbled across this :dead

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15005 on: March 14, 2022, 08:23:42 PM »
what historical figure of this forum and its heritage will be perma banned this time? i'm taking bets

:heh

We allow members to make threads about sexual encounters, weird stories, and other slice-of-life incidents in their life, to the point where we have a Weekend Era tag for a reason.

We don't allow people to complain about these threads' existence for the express purposes of derailing them. You have all the tools of your disposal to ignore threads you don't like.

We especially don't allow members to attack other members for decisions staff have made.

Get over yourselves. Either post in earnest, leave, or risk moderator action.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15006 on: March 14, 2022, 08:30:35 PM »
Quote from: nepnep
We allow members to make threads about sexual encounters, weird stories, and other slice-of-life incidents in their life, to the point where we have a Weekend Era tag for a reason.

We don't allow people to complain about these threads' existence for the express purposes of derailing them. You have all the tools of your disposal to ignore threads you don't like.

We especially don't allow members to attack other members for decisions staff have made.

Get over yourselves. Either post in earnest, leave, or risk moderator action.

*Citation needed.

Also imagine Nepenthe telling anyone to get over something

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15007 on: March 14, 2022, 08:31:49 PM »
Quote from: nepsan versa
risk moderator action

:dead

"you haven't been banned, what's happened is a special moderation operation" :putin
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15008 on: March 14, 2022, 08:35:18 PM »
Thread with actual discussion. -> "This thread has run its course, we don't want to ban anyone."

"Hilarious" thread about sex antics that are totally not made up. -> "Do not derail or we'll ban you."

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15009 on: March 14, 2022, 08:37:29 PM »
Nep Nep spots a BLM protest -


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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15010 on: March 14, 2022, 08:41:34 PM »
damn, that cat's all fucked up and weird but i like him

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15011 on: March 14, 2022, 09:06:03 PM »
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Is this really necessary?

Also, correct me if I'm wrong but didn't you used to be super homophobic back in the day, OP?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15012 on: March 14, 2022, 09:17:08 PM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
So long as the thread content isn't breaking the rules (this is not), or the amount of threads isn't overruning the forum and pushing other content off the page (these are not) staff largely don't care. And yes, I know I am prepared for someone who's salty about this to start making threads of their sexual encounters to try and prove some kind of a point to us. But again, we've had sex threads before. We don't care.

But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have) and because they want blame space back, even though MIMIC literally had nothing to do with that. And the ironic thing is, blame space is still free to utilize the ticket system for an appeal like anyone else is.

Ultimately, if you have any other questions about this, you can PM a staff member. But the petulance and derailing and brigading ends right here. Anymore off-topic nonsense in this thread will be met with action.


How can you be so bad at this?
They all deserve a pay cut honestly.

benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15013 on: March 14, 2022, 09:20:45 PM »
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And the ironic thing is, blame space is still free to utilize the ticket system for an appeal like anyone else is.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15014 on: March 14, 2022, 09:24:11 PM »
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But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have)

Which straight fuck story threads is she talking about? If you'd make the same thread about fucking women on tinder it would instantly get locked for "boys club behavior"

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15015 on: March 14, 2022, 09:26:15 PM »
Oh wait, maybe the irony is the idea that they'll unban blame space if he submits a ticket. :hmm

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« Reply #15016 on: March 14, 2022, 09:27:51 PM »
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But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have)

Which straight fuck story threads is she talking about?
they would all be closed for boys club rhetoric

benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15017 on: March 14, 2022, 09:31:12 PM »
At least the fatty went with "well I find the threads funny" instead of implying all the people who dislike the threads are secret bigots but I guess when all you've got is a hammer...

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15018 on: March 14, 2022, 09:41:41 PM »
Not a single thread of a dude detailing how you fucked some chick he met via Tinder would last more than 20 posts before he’s labeled sexist trash, thread would be locked and he’d be perma’d. Who are you trying to fool here, Nep Nep?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15019 on: March 14, 2022, 09:49:05 PM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
So long as the thread content isn't breaking the rules (this is not), or the amount of threads isn't overruning the forum and pushing other content off the page (these are not) staff largely don't care. And yes, I know I am prepared for someone who's salty about this to start making threads of their sexual encounters to try and prove some kind of a point to us. But again, we've had sex threads before. We don't care.

But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have) and because they want blame space back, even though MIMIC literally had nothing to do with that. And the ironic thing is, blame space is still free to utilize the ticket system for an appeal like anyone else is.

Ultimately, if you have any other questions about this, you can PM a staff member. But the petulance and derailing and brigading ends right here. Anymore off-topic nonsense in this thread will be met with action.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-2#post-83658244

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But a straight person that would post the same thing would be told to stick it in the dating era thread. Also, I would like to point out that no one here is acting in a homophobic manner. To say otherwise undercuts your own community commenting here.

Nobody is acting in bad faith here but you.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15020 on: March 14, 2022, 09:49:07 PM »
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But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have)

Which straight fuck story threads is she talking about?
they would all be closed for boys club rhetoric

"greetings era, well I did it, I finally banged a girl I've been tryna get inside since the start of covid, and let me tell you it did not turn out like I expected. I will just say, to my chagrin I've tried the cantaloupe method before and that turned out less messy and better smelling than this chick."
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15021 on: March 14, 2022, 09:55:05 PM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
So long as the thread content isn't breaking the rules (this is not), or the amount of threads isn't overruning the forum and pushing other content off the page (these are not) staff largely don't care. And yes, I know I am prepared for someone who's salty about this to start making threads of their sexual encounters to try and prove some kind of a point to us. But again, we've had sex threads before. We don't care.

But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have) and because they want blame space back, even though MIMIC literally had nothing to do with that. And the ironic thing is, blame space is still free to utilize the ticket system for an appeal like anyone else is.

Ultimately, if you have any other questions about this, you can PM a staff member. But the petulance and derailing and brigading ends right here. Anymore off-topic nonsense in this thread will be met with action.


How can you be so bad at this?
They all deserve a pay cut honestly.
At least they are showing consistency. It's just that the only consistent thing is how terrible they are.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15022 on: March 14, 2022, 09:56:14 PM »
Not a single thread of a dude detailing how you fucked some chick he met via Tinder would last more than 20 posts before he’s labeled sexist trash, thread would be locked and he’d be perma’d. Who are you trying to fool here, Nep Nep?
Particularly one who is married and has a family.
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15023 on: March 14, 2022, 09:57:15 PM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
So long as the thread content isn't breaking the rules (this is not), or the amount of threads isn't overruning the forum and pushing other content off the page (these are not) staff largely don't care. And yes, I know I am prepared for someone who's salty about this to start making threads of their sexual encounters to try and prove some kind of a point to us. But again, we've had sex threads before. We don't care.

But, we need to be frank: people are using MIMIC's threads to take out their frustrations on him for his content (it is fucking bad look that a gay man is getting this kind of pushback when threads that are or are largely presumed to be straight in nature never have) and because they want blame space back, even though MIMIC literally had nothing to do with that. And the ironic thing is, blame space is still free to utilize the ticket system for an appeal like anyone else is.

Ultimately, if you have any other questions about this, you can PM a staff member. But the petulance and derailing and brigading ends right here. Anymore off-topic nonsense in this thread will be met with action.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-2#post-83658244

Quote from: Starfire22
But a straight person that would post the same thing would be told to stick it in the dating era thread. Also, I would like to point out that no one here is acting in a homophobic manner. To say otherwise undercuts your own community commenting here.

Nobody is acting in bad faith here but you.
Starfire22 will soon be having some tea with

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15024 on: March 14, 2022, 10:11:33 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-2#post-83658244

Quote from: Starfire22
But a straight person that would post the same thing would be told to stick it in the dating era thread. Also, I would like to point out that no one here is acting in a homophobic manner. To say otherwise undercuts your own community commenting here.

Nobody is acting in bad faith here but you.
And immediately:
Quote from: ZeoVGM
A completely baseless and vaguely "Straight Lives Matter"-esque comment followed by "no one is acting homophobic" and topped off by telling someone else they're acting in bad faitth is certainly a choice.

benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15025 on: March 14, 2022, 10:13:14 PM »
Quote from: ZeoVGM
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Quote from: Red Mercury
This is starting to feel like a blog rather than something for a discussion forum, it's more geared towards people who are intimately invested in your personal business rather than something for a mass audience
This.
You were harassing him in the last thread too.

How about just ignoring the thread?

benjipwns

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15026 on: March 14, 2022, 10:14:08 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-2#post-83658244

Quote from: Starfire22
But a straight person that would post the same thing would be told to stick it in the dating era thread. Also, I would like to point out that no one here is acting in a homophobic manner. To say otherwise undercuts your own community commenting here.

Nobody is acting in bad faith here but you.
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User Threadbanned (Permanent): Ignoring the staff posts
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Quote from: Red Mercury
This is starting to feel like a blog rather than something for a discussion forum, it's more geared towards people who are intimately invested in your personal business rather than something for a mass audience
This.
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User Threadbanned (Permanent): Ignoring the staff posts

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15027 on: March 14, 2022, 10:21:25 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-2#post-83659561

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Bad faith? What do you know about bad faith? That memory we used to share is interdependant on the relatedness of motivation, subcultures, and management. The clear star that is yesterday is belief in the interrelatedness of all things. Yet for all of your concern over bad faith, I don't see you ever making threads criticizing our government that is pushing the ever increasing interdependant nature of the global world economy. What we want is a world without walls and without borders. Instead, you're in here with your four house owning self, not preaching love into the universe. That's "bad faith."
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15028 on: March 14, 2022, 10:54:53 PM »
That has to be a copy pasta right?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15029 on: March 14, 2022, 11:12:02 PM »
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« Reply #15030 on: March 14, 2022, 11:46:31 PM »
Constructive has a lot of walls of text about the Mimic thing, but it more or less ends with this from Nepenthe:
Quote from: Nepenthe
MIMIC's threads are not the only non-serious/useless threads we allow; again, there's a Weekend tag for a reason. If you're asking me to justify why his get to be open and "x thread" in the past was closed, sorry to say that there is no hard line and never has been. Thread locks are decided upon based upon the context and staff judgement at the time. Sometimes discussion does stall and people are now heading into insult territory. Sometimes a thread is so full off rule-breaking behavior it becomes unsalvageable. Sometimes the very basis of threads is so problematic towards a community/group that it isn't worth the hassle of trying to host a discussion on it. Sometimes a thread is badly made or sourced. Again, there is no hard line and never has been; there can't be, unless you now want Weekend threads to go away forever now because any type of "fun" thread is, by definition, useless. But like anything else, thread locks are not even permanent. We just reopened a thread regarding a member's issue with accessibility features on the Switch, and in general we have reopened threads before to allow people to cool off, and allow ourselves time to handle reports.

Staff are not immune to either mistakes, but nor do we ever pretend like everything we do is based upon some ironclad precedent that we must follow in 100% of all circumstances. Moderation literally cannot work like that. But just as well, we are done allowing brigading to happen as well.

There is this sidebar after someone mentions things being discussed by the staff:
Quote from: Pharaun
It would be nice if we could get a summary of these meetings posted in this thread.  Knowing what is actually being discussed by the staff would go a long way in helping with the transparency issues.

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So, I'm going to be real, that isn't something we can do without violating a user's privacy at times. Straight up, we have to have the sort of conversations where we can't ever tell anyone we even had them from time to time because even doing that could put people at risk. Not everyone lives in a country where they get to be who they want to be without fear, for example. There's also those who get cyber-stalked or bullied and any disclosure that we know of that sort of thing can quickly go side-ways.

This isn't always just at the admin level either, the mods have had to feature in these conversations as well. Sometimes our meetings really are as simples as talking about issues affecting the forum in general and if we should step in and how, but other times they're far more sensitive. We've been lucky and haven't had too many of those recently, but there's a few really big ones that stick in my mind and if we ever get anything likes those again we'll be putting the privacy (and safety) of said users above any sort of transparency. So no, we can't promise you we'll be posting minutes of our meetings in this thread because it's not a promise we'll be able to keep without eventually throwing someone under the bus.

This is, again, being fucking terrible at running a message board--sure they COULD agree to be more transparent and then just post really vague high-level summaries, but even a faint whiff of accountability is too much. But, being too chickenshit to just say no means they have to dress it up in a really self-important way.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15031 on: March 14, 2022, 11:56:09 PM »
No one will ever be put at risk by them mentioning some of the things they've been discussing.

He seems to be trying to create the impression that there's no alternative to posting chat logs full of doxing information of users (why they have this information about their users one might ask) and saying "hey, we talked about NFT threads and here's some of the general ideas" to allow users to provide feedback to the staff to help them make better decisions. This is done purely to suggest that any transparency and interaction would risk lives and should not be considered.

Literally all the drama that's ever happened on ResetERA.com has been due to their own making.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15032 on: March 15, 2022, 12:07:38 AM »
That's the most ridiculous excuse I have ever heard. A summary of what they discussed would put people at risk? You're not the fucking CIA you clowns.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15033 on: March 15, 2022, 12:17:09 AM »
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns of negative Black representation across multiple posts, tone policing/talking down to Black members regarding the issue, account in junior phase. Being a POC is not the same as being Black.

SPOILER: HUGE LATE-GAME STORY SPOILER
SPOILER: MAJOR HFW SPOILERS
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First of all I can only assume you're not black, because this is a known issue in fictional narratives. Second of all, let me ask a simple question of why any companion has to die? Varl dies as a tropey attempt to raise the player's emotional stakes before going into the last battle. Thus, you kill the nice guy that everyone loves. So if you're sole reason to kill a character is to cheaply raise the emotional stakes in an already end-of-the-world plot, then maybe don't? Mass Effect 2 is one of the GOAT games (and a game HFW borrows heavily from) and it doesn't resort to cheaply killing off a crew member to raise the stakes that's out of your control. If ME2 was going to do the same thing, they'd kill off Joker before you assault the Collector Base. But it doesn't because such narrative tactics aren't needed.
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SPOILER: MAJOR HFW SPOILERS
First of all, this is going to be really awkward for you. I AM a POC. Mixed, to be exact. So I don't need to listen to other POC to validate or invalidate my opinion. Especially not in this case.
- You can criticize the plot point, which I do and did not like, but it has nothing to do with the skin color. It is just not well executed. Not even the death scene is that well done, but introducing TIlda and the most interesting story point 2 minutes later just ruins any possible emotional response.
Raising the emotional stakes is fine, because that is a VERY important theme for Aloy, who keeps on pushing people away. It just wasn't well executed.
Shepard's emotional state was never a big theme in the story, so that comparison is not the best.
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Continuing, if they were adamant about killing a companion then why have it be Varl? Once you know that Varl is marked for death you can look back and see he was setup as the character to be killed. But they could have easily done this with any other character, it's not like Varl was some super fan favorite from the first game. He was a minor character, Erend had more screen time than him. Thus, it very easily could've been Erend that was made to be this nice guy that tried to keep everyone together that's impaled in front of you. Instead they foolishly chose Varl to die for the tropey reason outlined above.
Erend definitely does NOT have more screen time in HFW. In fact, he has probably the least screen time in this game (other than Sylens). You basically meet him drunk in the beginning, he is a very small part of the mission to rescue Beta and then he stays in the base for the last third of the game. He is almost nonexistent in this game (which is very weird imo).
Varl is used a lot more. The whole intro mission, the first battle when entering the west, the first cauldron and the whole arc with Zo and then his last mission.
EVERY character that dies in a story is set up early on. That's called writing. Whether it's in Game of Thrones, Sopranos, Red Dead Redemption or TLoU. You ALWAYS set up characters for actions later in the story.
Why Varl? Because he is obviously the closest to Aloy. Who else would elicit an emotional response?
Rost is already dead. Erend is drunk and annoyed without any really personality or goal. Just like in the first game. Zo is new and hasn't been established enough at that point. Sylens is somewhere behind-the-scenes and more of a bad guy. So Varl is the only logical choice - a man of honor who always supports Aloy (even when she pushes him away), the person most curious about the old world and motivated to learn by himself.
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But to get to the most important point, narratives do not exist in a vacuum. You cannot divorce a narrative from the real world and the implications they arouse. There's a reason Detroit: Become Human is mocked with its whole "I Have A Dream" bullshit with its androids. You can't just tell a story about oppressed androids, one of whom is black and can quote MLK and not have people draw comparisons to the civil rights movement and how stupidly your metaphor doesn't work. Similarly, you can't just create a black character in a narrative and then go, "I don't see race" as you proceed to write their story which somehow manages to fall into the same racial tropes as most narratives.
Narrative does not exist in vacuum? First of all, this is a EUROPEAN game with those sensibilities. Janet judges it from the AMERICAN social vacuum, which does a disservice to the developers. Not everything resolves around the social issues and treatment of minorities in the US my friend.

And a comparison to Detroid: Become Human is ridiculous. That terribly written game is set in a not so distant future and has a clear goal of focusing on modern social issues and making some (half-assed and shallow commentary). All those terrible analogies about slavery, holocaust, MLK and other things should be criticized because it focuses on modern themes and wants to be a smart criticism of many societal issues...but miserably fails. So yes, you need to be aware about possible issues in writing about modern society, when those are your setting and main themes.

That's completely different from this case. You can write a black person like Varl, who has obvious motivations and is well fleshed-out and then let him die. A black person does not mean "black-american" and does not represent how black people are killed in American movies, shows or whatever. There are plenty of other black communities around the world that are represented differently. But I've noticed plenty of time that most American media is incapable to see anything outside their own country.
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"The black guy dies," is a staple of not just horror fiction, but fiction in general. And when there are precious few leading black roles in Hollywood and even less in games, killing the black guy carries even more weight. You don't just get to go, "this is a fictional world where racism is abolished." That's great, we don't live in that world. This is the real world where racism exists and the black character dies 95% of the time in a fictional narrative while actually being cast maybe 5% of the time to appear in any narrative. So yes, it is a major concern that they should have thought about before deciding to make Varl the guy we want you to love just so we can kill him.
You could argue that not enough black protagonists exist in video games, which would definitely be true. I mean...damn... the only black protagonist that comes to mind is Colt from Deathloop...just shows you how much work still has to be done for African representation !
But criticizing a game and even saying that there is underlying racism by the developers because a great black character, which most people probably really enjoyed, gets killed is just silly. Especially when there are still other well written black characters in the game. I want stronger representation of black characters in my games (and media in general), but I won't stand for criticizing this. Black characters can die as long as they are still well written characters and respected. This was the case here.
The overall writing wasn't great (but that's an issue I have with every emotional arc in this game), but that has nothing to do with the skin color. By that logic, no other well written black character in any game should ever die again...! Sounds silly, doesn't it?
Would I have liked for someone useless like Erend to die instead of Varl, who I really enjoyed? 100%. But I am not going to insinuate that the writers/developers at Guerilla Games want to serve some racist stereotypes...
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There's a reason Naughty Dog has similarly caught shit for their treatment of black characters. All of whom have died violent deaths, except for Nadine in UC who has their own problem of being voiced by a white woman. Now dumbass try and excuse those deaths as "the world of TLOU is just violent," but when every black character dies a super violent death, well we've got an issue.

I suggest you perhaps actually listen to the POC voices talking about this subject instead of having a knee jerk reaction to dismiss it and call it "dumb." If every POC has the same reaction, and you a non-POC keep saying it's fine. Well, what do you think that says?
And when did ND get criticized for killing black characters? In TLOU, where ever character dies a gruesome death?! The only thing I remember having an issue with was Isaac's character. He was very underdeveloped and killed off too easily. Probably the closest thing to tropey black character dying without any screentime.
There was the big problem with Nadine, which was 100% correct and a terrible decision by Druckmann. Essentially black facing the character. Was there another issue I am not aware of?

And I "suggest" you better be a little more respectful and think about what you write, instead of calling others "dumbasses". I will report you next time you try to be disrespectful. I don't mind disagreeing, but no need to call other dumbasses or anything else. Maybe you should also entertain the idea, that not every POC around the world shares the same ideas or has the same issues with how they are represented...because not everything revolves around the US?! Other than that, You, Janet and Bless are the only people who have had an issue with Varl's death from a racial standpoint.
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Everybody else in the thread was just posting around this page long fight between BossAttack and some non-Black person of color who needed to stay in their lane. :lol

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« Reply #15034 on: March 15, 2022, 01:51:31 AM »
Landlord thread closure caused some people to have a minor existential crisis re:Era in Constructive:
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Pretty wild that threads like that get closed for ??? reasons and yet we still have "Count as high as we can until mods close the thread" going strong.

My point isn't to shit on "joke" threads that the community enjoys. But that is a thread with almost literally no discussion.

Like many other posters have pointed out, who decides whether or not a "thread is really needed?" In this case, it feels like the mod just didn't like the thread or the discussion, so they closed it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/russia-has-begun-a-full-scale-invasion-in-ukraine-read-staff-posts.556366/page-721#post-83366596
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« Reply #15035 on: March 15, 2022, 03:57:16 AM »
Landlord thread closure caused some people to have a minor existential crisis re:Era in Constructive:
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Pretty wild that threads like that get closed for ??? reasons and yet we still have "Count as high as we can until mods close the thread" going strong.

My point isn't to shit on "joke" threads that the community enjoys. But that is a thread with almost literally no discussion.

Like many other posters have pointed out, who decides whether or not a "thread is really needed?" In this case, it feels like the mod just didn't like the thread or the discussion, so they closed it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/russia-has-begun-a-full-scale-invasion-in-ukraine-read-staff-posts.556366/page-721#post-83366596
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Went back 5 days to find something to ding him for. :lol
And you just know it was Nep Nep who was the one scrolling through that poster's post history to find something plausible to ban him for.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #15036 on: March 15, 2022, 04:20:42 AM »
Can’t wait to see a poster banned for putting up a blank post.

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« Reply #15037 on: March 15, 2022, 04:23:33 AM »
Mimic was always good to me. Friendly and pretty good taste (mostly). He struck me as a good person with actual personality so I think ERA, at its neediest, can’t afford to say no to his threads. It’s similar to Edward Furlong getting work.

Anyway, congrats on the sex. Of the old Neogaf mainstays Mimic, you really are the last of us.
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« Reply #15038 on: March 15, 2022, 05:28:01 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-3#post-83668219

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It's probably better to stay dormant about your own patterns and the blatant lack of self esteem and post it on the interweb for shit and giggles.

Your OP reeks of superficiality and no wonder you get played as you are loosing any sense at the drop of a hat from a "cute" guy and on top you do NOTHING to protect yourself, and stay "open" for more because they are "better looking in person", so I guess it's alright if you don't block them (what a normal person would do) and get played, again, and again.

Then come here to victimize yourself while giving them all the cards to play you. Are you even for real? Then when getting called out, now we have to be "managed" and can ignore the thread. Well what about facing a mirror and your own issues leading to this instead of coming here telling the same kinda story over and over again just for attention seeking (as you have low self esteem you need validation all the dam time).

Instead of wasting your time on Grinder, maybe spend that time at the psy and get out of your own self dug hole before thinking of ever complaining online again?

Will that get me banned? I couldn't care less. you need to read some truth and I am sure, to the detriment of people "getting excited reading you" who are prolly happy to be entertained and looking at you making a clown of yourself, not only wit the people you sleep with, but on here as well.
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« Reply #15039 on: March 15, 2022, 05:59:33 AM »
Sex really brings out Ree's giant dads

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« Reply #15040 on: March 15, 2022, 06:03:03 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-flake-part-ii-we-met-nsfw-please-read-op-see-staff-post.562450/page-2#post-83659561

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Bad faith? What do you know about bad faith? That memory we used to share is interdependant on the relatedness of motivation, subcultures, and management. The clear star that is yesterday is belief in the interrelatedness of all things. Yet for all of your concern over bad faith, I don't see you ever making threads criticizing our government that is pushing the ever increasing interdependant nature of the global world economy. What we want is a world without walls and without borders. Instead, you're in here with your four house owning self, not preaching love into the universe. That's "bad faith."

https://www.resetera.com/threads/things-that-make-you-say-lets-f-ing-go.558307/#post-83000866
https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-i-got-a-free-year-of-apple-tv-subscription-with-my-iphone.416766/page-3#post-63824220
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-man-who-wouldnt-be-king.283613/#post-44876579
https://www.resetera.com/threads/4th-of-july-is-easily-the-worst-holiday-by-far.241651/page-2#post-38864527
https://www.resetera.com/threads/to-anti-socialists-communists-anarchists-its-either-that-or-extinction.286019/#post-45245984

Blamespace's alt?
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« Reply #15041 on: March 15, 2022, 06:11:05 AM »
Nah, posts are too aggressive
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« Reply #15042 on: March 15, 2022, 11:45:14 AM »
I miss Kirblar. His russia war takes would have been  :maduro
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« Reply #15043 on: March 15, 2022, 12:18:39 PM »
User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns of negative Black representation across multiple posts, tone policing/talking down to Black members regarding the issue, account in junior phase. Being a POC is not the same as being Black.

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First of all I can only assume you're not black, because this is a known issue in fictional narratives. Second of all, let me ask a simple question of why any companion has to die? Varl dies as a tropey attempt to raise the player's emotional stakes before going into the last battle. Thus, you kill the nice guy that everyone loves. So if you're sole reason to kill a character is to cheaply raise the emotional stakes in an already end-of-the-world plot, then maybe don't? Mass Effect 2 is one of the GOAT games (and a game HFW borrows heavily from) and it doesn't resort to cheaply killing off a crew member to raise the stakes that's out of your control. If ME2 was going to do the same thing, they'd kill off Joker before you assault the Collector Base. But it doesn't because such narrative tactics aren't needed.
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First of all, this is going to be really awkward for you. I AM a POC. Mixed, to be exact. So I don't need to listen to other POC to validate or invalidate my opinion. Especially not in this case.
- You can criticize the plot point, which I do and did not like, but it has nothing to do with the skin color. It is just not well executed. Not even the death scene is that well done, but introducing TIlda and the most interesting story point 2 minutes later just ruins any possible emotional response.
Raising the emotional stakes is fine, because that is a VERY important theme for Aloy, who keeps on pushing people away. It just wasn't well executed.
Shepard's emotional state was never a big theme in the story, so that comparison is not the best.
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Continuing, if they were adamant about killing a companion then why have it be Varl? Once you know that Varl is marked for death you can look back and see he was setup as the character to be killed. But they could have easily done this with any other character, it's not like Varl was some super fan favorite from the first game. He was a minor character, Erend had more screen time than him. Thus, it very easily could've been Erend that was made to be this nice guy that tried to keep everyone together that's impaled in front of you. Instead they foolishly chose Varl to die for the tropey reason outlined above.
Erend definitely does NOT have more screen time in HFW. In fact, he has probably the least screen time in this game (other than Sylens). You basically meet him drunk in the beginning, he is a very small part of the mission to rescue Beta and then he stays in the base for the last third of the game. He is almost nonexistent in this game (which is very weird imo).
Varl is used a lot more. The whole intro mission, the first battle when entering the west, the first cauldron and the whole arc with Zo and then his last mission.
EVERY character that dies in a story is set up early on. That's called writing. Whether it's in Game of Thrones, Sopranos, Red Dead Redemption or TLoU. You ALWAYS set up characters for actions later in the story.
Why Varl? Because he is obviously the closest to Aloy. Who else would elicit an emotional response?
Rost is already dead. Erend is drunk and annoyed without any really personality or goal. Just like in the first game. Zo is new and hasn't been established enough at that point. Sylens is somewhere behind-the-scenes and more of a bad guy. So Varl is the only logical choice - a man of honor who always supports Aloy (even when she pushes him away), the person most curious about the old world and motivated to learn by himself.
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But to get to the most important point, narratives do not exist in a vacuum. You cannot divorce a narrative from the real world and the implications they arouse. There's a reason Detroit: Become Human is mocked with its whole "I Have A Dream" bullshit with its androids. You can't just tell a story about oppressed androids, one of whom is black and can quote MLK and not have people draw comparisons to the civil rights movement and how stupidly your metaphor doesn't work. Similarly, you can't just create a black character in a narrative and then go, "I don't see race" as you proceed to write their story which somehow manages to fall into the same racial tropes as most narratives.
Narrative does not exist in vacuum? First of all, this is a EUROPEAN game with those sensibilities. Janet judges it from the AMERICAN social vacuum, which does a disservice to the developers. Not everything resolves around the social issues and treatment of minorities in the US my friend.

And a comparison to Detroid: Become Human is ridiculous. That terribly written game is set in a not so distant future and has a clear goal of focusing on modern social issues and making some (half-assed and shallow commentary). All those terrible analogies about slavery, holocaust, MLK and other things should be criticized because it focuses on modern themes and wants to be a smart criticism of many societal issues...but miserably fails. So yes, you need to be aware about possible issues in writing about modern society, when those are your setting and main themes.

That's completely different from this case. You can write a black person like Varl, who has obvious motivations and is well fleshed-out and then let him die. A black person does not mean "black-american" and does not represent how black people are killed in American movies, shows or whatever. There are plenty of other black communities around the world that are represented differently. But I've noticed plenty of time that most American media is incapable to see anything outside their own country.
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"The black guy dies," is a staple of not just horror fiction, but fiction in general. And when there are precious few leading black roles in Hollywood and even less in games, killing the black guy carries even more weight. You don't just get to go, "this is a fictional world where racism is abolished." That's great, we don't live in that world. This is the real world where racism exists and the black character dies 95% of the time in a fictional narrative while actually being cast maybe 5% of the time to appear in any narrative. So yes, it is a major concern that they should have thought about before deciding to make Varl the guy we want you to love just so we can kill him.
You could argue that not enough black protagonists exist in video games, which would definitely be true. I mean...damn... the only black protagonist that comes to mind is Colt from Deathloop...just shows you how much work still has to be done for African representation !
But criticizing a game and even saying that there is underlying racism by the developers because a great black character, which most people probably really enjoyed, gets killed is just silly. Especially when there are still other well written black characters in the game. I want stronger representation of black characters in my games (and media in general), but I won't stand for criticizing this. Black characters can die as long as they are still well written characters and respected. This was the case here.
The overall writing wasn't great (but that's an issue I have with every emotional arc in this game), but that has nothing to do with the skin color. By that logic, no other well written black character in any game should ever die again...! Sounds silly, doesn't it?
Would I have liked for someone useless like Erend to die instead of Varl, who I really enjoyed? 100%. But I am not going to insinuate that the writers/developers at Guerilla Games want to serve some racist stereotypes...
Quote from: BossAttack
There's a reason Naughty Dog has similarly caught shit for their treatment of black characters. All of whom have died violent deaths, except for Nadine in UC who has their own problem of being voiced by a white woman. Now dumbass try and excuse those deaths as "the world of TLOU is just violent," but when every black character dies a super violent death, well we've got an issue.

I suggest you perhaps actually listen to the POC voices talking about this subject instead of having a knee jerk reaction to dismiss it and call it "dumb." If every POC has the same reaction, and you a non-POC keep saying it's fine. Well, what do you think that says?
And when did ND get criticized for killing black characters? In TLOU, where ever character dies a gruesome death?! The only thing I remember having an issue with was Isaac's character. He was very underdeveloped and killed off too easily. Probably the closest thing to tropey black character dying without any screentime.
There was the big problem with Nadine, which was 100% correct and a terrible decision by Druckmann. Essentially black facing the character. Was there another issue I am not aware of?

And I "suggest" you better be a little more respectful and think about what you write, instead of calling others "dumbasses". I will report you next time you try to be disrespectful. I don't mind disagreeing, but no need to call other dumbasses or anything else. Maybe you should also entertain the idea, that not every POC around the world shares the same ideas or has the same issues with how they are represented...because not everything revolves around the US?! Other than that, You, Janet and Bless are the only people who have had an issue with Varl's death from a racial standpoint.
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Everybody else in the thread was just posting around this page long fight between BossAttack and some non-Black person of color who needed to stay in their lane. :lol

First of all, you ain't black. :biden
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« Reply #15044 on: March 15, 2022, 02:31:25 PM »
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You know this guy is a massive POS right?
So now you get banned if you don't continue a "derail"? :hmm

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« Reply #15045 on: March 15, 2022, 02:33:01 PM »
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The fact they can go derail MIMICs next thread with impunity, because a threadban is only for that thread and the consensus complaint is that mimic keeps making fucking threads (sic) instead of keeping it in his pants a relevant OT is :delicious

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« Reply #15046 on: March 15, 2022, 02:56:20 PM »
User Banned (5 Days): Low-effort drive-by that lead to a derail, failure to return after being called out in multiple responses

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You know this guy is a massive POS right?
So now you get banned if you don't continue a "derail"? :hmm

The logic of the mods is really something else  :lol

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« Reply #15047 on: March 15, 2022, 03:12:30 PM »
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The fact they can go derail MIMICs next thread with impunity, because a threadban is only for that thread and the consensus complaint is that mimic keeps making fucking threads (sic) instead of keeping it in his pants a relevant OT is :delicious

My favorite part is they say in the staff post that resetera has a weekendera tag for a reason but mimic didn’t use the weekendera tag :heh

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« Reply #15048 on: March 15, 2022, 03:39:00 PM »
It’s time again for the resetera rabble to start equating BDubs and crew to police, maybe start directly calling them forum cops.  I feel like they (especially nepenthe) are a lot more hostile to that than being seen as volunteer internet jannies.

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« Reply #15049 on: March 15, 2022, 03:43:25 PM »
Man, what the hell is with Royalan trying to match Nep's hostility lately?  Must not have had fourth breakfast.

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« Reply #15050 on: March 15, 2022, 03:56:14 PM »
Man, what the hell is with Royalan trying to match Nep's hostility lately?
It's just how those people are when they face racial and sexual violence all day long. This is how life is for the non-white-adjacent and non-heterosexual-adjacent.

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« Reply #15051 on: March 15, 2022, 03:57:27 PM »
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Asked on the Playstation thread but didn't get any answer so I'll just ask this here.

Why can we discuss Persona series (or any ATLUS game in general), when they feature problematic transphobic content but not Hogwarts, a game made by devs that are supporting of trans people? It just doesn't make any sense to me
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JK Rowling is actively using her money to hurt trans people in the UK (and the world in general), and she is the IP owner, the one who will make the most money from the game

I believe there wouldn't be issues if the IP was owned by WB
Yep JK Rowling is actively finding campaigns against Trans people’s rights. It’s not surprising the trans community didn’t feel comfortable it being promoted here when there is absolutely no way of avoiding giving money to JK Rowling

From the "constructive" thread

I imagine I already know the answer to this but has Rowling actually funded any Anti-Trans campaigns?

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« Reply #15052 on: March 15, 2022, 04:04:59 PM »
I imagine I already know the answer to this but has Rowling actually funded any Anti-Trans campaigns?
Just because she hasn't given any money to anti-trans campaigns doesn't mean she doesn't provide material and covert support to the genocidal agenda she openly endorses and uses her funding to support. She likely does it illegally in secret. She also has well known financial ties to Putin. The fact that you're trying to tone police or concern troll about people informing others about Rowling's well known mass funding of every anti-trans campaign is not a good look.

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« Reply #15053 on: March 15, 2022, 04:12:57 PM »
I imagine I already know the answer to this but has Rowling actually funded any Anti-Trans campaigns?

even more insidious than that: she funds projects which increase her own wealth and because she herself is an anti-trans campaign, that's like double dipping on the anti-transness
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« Reply #15054 on: March 15, 2022, 04:20:56 PM »
Do you seriously believe that every legitimate trans person would say J.K. Rowling was a hateful TERF bitch if she wasn't? That doesn't seem likely. Maybe shut up and listen to the marginalized people who suffer due to J.K. Rowling's well known extensive funding of bigoted campaigns and support of the January 6th mob.

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« Reply #15055 on: March 15, 2022, 04:27:20 PM »
Rockstar didn’t listen to Kyuuji, prepare for incoming discussion ban.

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« Reply #15056 on: March 15, 2022, 04:31:00 PM »

You want evidence of the destruction this woman is causing? 

My 2-year old son just said this morning, "Father, why is JK Rowling not JK'ing about her movement toward a trans road of perdition vis a vi the backdrop of war and genocide the world has already suffered?". And I said..I don't know what vis a vi means, son.  And we both cried.


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« Reply #15057 on: March 15, 2022, 04:33:39 PM »
Ya'll not ready for this conversation.

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« Reply #15058 on: March 15, 2022, 04:38:48 PM »
Rockstar didn’t listen to Kyuuji, prepare for incoming discussion ban.

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I hope they sanitize the trans stuff and leave in all the fucked up torture and gruesome murder in the game, so Trevor gets an opportunity to say something like, "Dude, cheeseburger is not the preferred nomenclature, trans American, please."

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« Reply #15059 on: March 15, 2022, 04:54:24 PM »
Everybody apologize to Royalan now, ya'll look like fools:
Jussie Smollett’s lawyers want the disgraced actor immediately sprung from jail, claiming he and his family are the target of “vicious threats,” including a phone call that alluded to the notorious case of a sodomized New York City man.

Smollett’s legal team filed the emergency motion Monday asking the court to postpone his five-month sentence at Chicago’s Cook County Jail while they work to appeal his conviction on five counts of felony disorderly conduct for lying to police.

The filing argues Smollett’s life is at risk because he’s been the target of “vicious threats” on social media and the online hate “no doubt reflects the hatred and wish for physical harm toward Smollett, which he may experience during incarceration.”

One of Smollett’s siblings has also been “bombarded” with disturbing phone calls after providing their phone number as the convicted felon’s emergency contact when he entered the jail system, a rep told The Post.

“I hope what they do to that guy in jail — here’s what they’re going to do, right. They’re going to take a broom handle, and take that little [expletive], shove it in there, and he’s gonna go, ‘[shrieking sound],’” a man was heard saying in the call, per a recording shared by the actor’s team.
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Smollett’s attorneys further argued the fallen star’s life is at risk because he has a “compromised immune system” and could die if he catches COVID-19 behind bars. They included an affidavit signed by a doctor to bolster the claim, but it didn’t specify which health conditions Smollett suffers from.
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Smollett’s attorneys also griped that he’s in protective custody, which they said previously is a condition they requested but could have “extraordinary damage on his mental health.”

“As a result, any custodial setting poses a safety and health danger to the life of Mr. Smollett,” his attorneys wrote, adding protective custody is a “euphemism” for solitary confinement.
More proof that Royalan is a perfectly fit human and may even be a bit too much on the skinny side.