Other Forums Containment Thread

[tiesto]

LMAO, resetera will treat transgender/"black" users as if they're diamond ignot bars that can't be criticized at all, but the mods openly dump on Muslim and Arab people.

 

Muslims, Jews, Asians, Indians, seem to be all fair game on Reset. Latinos it's up in the air, sometimes they are "white adjacent" other times they are protected class, it really depends who's modding that day.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/doxxing-has-really-gotten-out-of-hand-and-it-needs-to-be-controlled.573880/#post-85250179

User Banned (Permanent): Troll account

Anita Sarkeesian doxxed everyday for years and mans comes on here protecting racism and islamophobia LOOOOOL

I think he means "Anita Sarkeesian was doxxed" and the mods have misinterpreted his intent.

You’re telling that there’s a ree mod that has poor reading comprehension skills or can barely read in the first place? I don’t believe you.

[Averon]

You'd think ResetERA gives a place like StormFront a run for its money given how often the userbase complains how biased and bigoted it is on a near daily basis

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/doxxing-has-really-gotten-out-of-hand-and-it-needs-to-be-controlled.573880/#post-85250179

User Banned (Permanent): Troll account

Anita Sarkeesian doxxed everyday for years and mans comes on here protecting racism and islamophobia LOOOOOL

I think he means "Anita Sarkeesian was doxxed" and the mods have misinterpreted his intent.

You’re telling that there’s a ree mod that has poor reading comprehension skills or can barely read in the first place? I don’t believe you.

Don't forget that they claim it's always a group decision 

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-2#post-85260859

I'm in a discord server with Anton, and he said he tried a few times, but they closed his appeal requests without answering them.

Stuff like this is why so many Muslims stopped posting on Era. There were hardly many of us here in the first place, but most have moved elsewhere, precisely because we know that even here it’s always uphill for us.

Yesterdays Aqsa thread is a perfect example of it. After people rightfully we’re against Zelenskyys statement. Anton Sugar gets banned for, presumably, posting Zelenskyys statement (his only two posts after his previous ban were in that thread), with no ban message about why and his enquiry ticket closed without response.

Then you have Matt come in and derail the shit out of that thread. After agreeing that we shouldn’t get the thread locked again via derail, he proceeds to derail immediately after in his little tiff with athesyn. B-Dubs then comes in soon after with a thread lock, when a threadban or a staff post would have sufficed.

All this type of behaviour does is ostracise Muslims. You can get away with saying so much shit about us, and when the tables are turned we are not treated equally, whether it’s on Facebook or Resetera.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-2#post-85261555

If ERA mods are being this way to the Muslims on this forum, they’re just as complicit as large companies shadow banning muslim voices. Want the ERA team to outright just say that they don’t care about their Muslim users because it sure feels that way.

I’ve seen so many threads that may be about Islam be brigaded and mods just lock the thread without offering solutions. This ain’t even about being better, this is about the blatant marginalization of Muslims on this board. The example of the Ramadan threads over the years highlights how much they truly care about the Muslims on this site. It’s a shame, esp with everything that’s happening. I’ll probably stop using these forums and I encourage the other Muslims here to do the same because clearly the mods here don’t care or only support certain groups and causes because they themselves are shackled by colonialism and white surpremacy.

Y’all be posting about how Black Lives Matter but can’t have that same energy for other causes. All that shit is performative as hell. If you all truly cared about black and brown communities you’d do more to foster and nurture them on your site but clearly that won’t be happening.

 

I imagine the reason why some those threads are closed is because you also have Muslim RE having almost borderline anti semitic  takes on those issues. The fact that you guys were bitching about Zelensky because he is appealing to Israel over campaign for Palestine probably doesn’t help.

In that regard, the mod team is so dumb as keeping Nephente given she has supported this train of thought when is clear the rest of the staff will probably not want to deal with it.

[NekoFever]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/doxxing-has-really-gotten-out-of-hand-and-it-needs-to-be-controlled.573880/#post-85250179

User Banned (Permanent): Troll account

Anita Sarkeesian doxxed everyday for years and mans comes on here protecting racism and islamophobia LOOOOOL

I think he means "Anita Sarkeesian was doxxed" and the mods have misinterpreted his intent.

You’re telling that there’s a ree mod that has poor reading comprehension skills or can barely read in the first place? I don’t believe you.

Don't forget that they claim it's always a group decision 

More than one of them is distinguished, yes.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/one-piece-otxiii-awaken.564130/page-228#post-85131040

User Banned (1 Month): Advocating for misgendering across multiple posts

FYI this about the gender of a fictional character. Would be hilarious if the One Piece author proves him right

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-2#post-85260859

I'm in a discord server with Anton, and he said he tried a few times, but they closed his appeal requests without answering them.

Stuff like this is why so many Muslims stopped posting on Era. There were hardly many of us here in the first place, but most have moved elsewhere, precisely because we know that even here it’s always uphill for us.

Yesterdays Aqsa thread is a perfect example of it. After people rightfully we’re against Zelenskyys statement. Anton Sugar gets banned for, presumably, posting Zelenskyys statement (his only two posts after his previous ban were in that thread), with no ban message about why and his enquiry ticket closed without response.

Then you have Matt come in and derail the shit out of that thread. After agreeing that we shouldn’t get the thread locked again via derail, he proceeds to derail immediately after in his little tiff with athesyn. B-Dubs then comes in soon after with a thread lock, when a threadban or a staff post would have sufficed.

All this type of behaviour does is ostracise Muslims. You can get away with saying so much shit about us, and when the tables are turned we are not treated equally, whether it’s on Facebook or Resetera.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-2#post-85261555

If ERA mods are being this way to the Muslims on this forum, they’re just as complicit as large companies shadow banning muslim voices. Want the ERA team to outright just say that they don’t care about their Muslim users because it sure feels that way.

I’ve seen so many threads that may be about Islam be brigaded and mods just lock the thread without offering solutions. This ain’t even about being better, this is about the blatant marginalization of Muslims on this board. The example of the Ramadan threads over the years highlights how much they truly care about the Muslims on this site. It’s a shame, esp with everything that’s happening. I’ll probably stop using these forums and I encourage the other Muslims here to do the same because clearly the mods here don’t care or only support certain groups and causes because they themselves are shackled by colonialism and white surpremacy.

Y’all be posting about how Black Lives Matter but can’t have that same energy for other causes. All that shit is performative as hell. If you all truly cared about black and brown communities you’d do more to foster and nurture them on your site but clearly that won’t be happening.

 

I imagine the reason why some those threads are closed is because you also have Muslim RE having almost borderline anti semitic  takes on those issues. The fact that you guys were bitching about Zelensky because he is appealing to Israel over campaign for Palestine probably doesn’t help.

In that regard, the mod team is so dumb as keeping Nephente given she has supported this train of thought when is clear the rest of the staff will probably not want to deal with it.

If B-Dumbs had any sense, he'd demod Nep. She's clearly not fit to have power over the community, and she won't resign on her own. She clearly cherish deeply her power to ban yts on ERA. But given the shit storm that would ensue by the BCT such a move will make, he probably don't want to deal with the fallout. Also I imagine B-Dumbs' "nicca" pass will be rescinded

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/so-mr-enter-has-a-problem-with-turning-red-for-not-addressing-9-11.574027/#post-85268218

The world doesn't revolve around everything that happens in the US. Yes, 9/11 was a big deal, but life went on a full year afterward. Growing up during that time in the US no one talked about it unless there was a reason for it.

Literally copied and paste the other posts

They are. As someone who was 11 in 2001 in the USA 9/11 was a big deal but it was also when I was obsessing over the GBA and PS2 way more than 9/11. Life went on and theee was tons of non-9/11 interests and activities at the time, in California at least.

and we didn’t talk about 9/11 unless there was, you know, a reason to.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/post-85261831

Well then we got an example of shadowbanning right here on Era for being critical of the Israeli regime.

yep, found it amusing that someone was downplaying that shadowbanning was a thing when more or less the same thing happens in this place

Remember when ERA was founded as a means to escape from a forum run by power-tripping PoS that banned those that spoke up against him/called out the shitting things he did, or didn't agree with him?

Shame on you @mods

So much for being different than the old forum which was filled with arbitrary bans, especially towards the end

[benjipwns]

More and more it seems there needs to be some sort of government agency regulating this type of thing. I get that these are technically private companies but the FCC regulates radio and television, we need a digital equivalent or an extension of the FCC to cover social media.

And I freely admit I don’t know if this is something the FCC itself would cover based on its current setup and configuration.

But we need something to ensure the accurate transmission of facts and elimination of censorship.

ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

We really do. I don't have a strong take about the details here, but unless you believe that there should be zero limitation on what anyone can post online, someone need to make that calls, someone need to moderate it. And it's waaaaay better to do that through government agencies, that at least in theory we can assert democratic control over than to let the worst companies in the world make those decision.

"it's not censorship is we outsource it to for profit companies" is legit one of the dumbest ideas in American politics.

It wasn't great at it, it was, for a short while, slightly better than the US media which ignore those things almost completely.
But from the start social media had a strong right wing bias and all those platforms have been radicalizing fascists for years.

We are now hard at work to make sure the handful of decent things that could get a voice on these platform are being pushed out.

In order for there to truly be absolutely no limits to what people can spread, you'd have to also let go of things that are almost unanimously considered to be harmful like hate speech and distribution of child sexual abuse material. I think most people agree that at least one of those are worth controlling, and therefore agree in practice that there are reasonable limits to free speech and in certain cases even government censorship is acceptable.

and this is why i don't like moderation of any kind on these social media sites, including forums like ERA. Its extremely trivial for "your side" to suddenly find itself silenced and moderated out of the public space, because suddenly the people in power decide what you are saying isn't convenient. Corporations and governments are not your friend, they can and always will turn on you when its in their interest.

Sure, there is a very narrow window of stuff that should be auto deleted - spam, viruses, immediate calls to violence, doxxing peoples private information - but simple opinions and points of view, even if you disagree, should not be grounds for deletion or banning. Points of view that are not popular will be automatically handled by no one responding or caring. Giving the power of deciding who is allowed to talk and who isn't to a few people is anti-thetical to the entire basic foundational view of the internet, "information wants to be free". Not "information I agree with should be shared" or "Only things I agree with are ok should be discussed".

A libertarian in 2022, did you just thaw out from some ice cave? Big tech has followed your ideas and it's lead to algorithms that promote extremist and hateful ideologies, allowed the flourishing of misinformation and sent us into a rabbit hole of hell of social media. And America, champion of free speech? It's losing to fundamentalist and radicals that are rewriting it's laws to cripple it's democracies permanently. Kinda amazed at this take.

BUT YOU WILL STIFLE AMERICAN INGENUITY IF YOU DO THAT

We should not give platforms to hate speech that actively destroy the lives of marginalized folks. Toxic fringe beliefs can become mainstream.

Yes, censor my speech harder Daddy Trump!

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-3#post-85272628

Hey all. I'll try to address the points raised in here.

If the general feeling of the Muslim community on Era is that we aren't doing enough, then we should be trying to do better. Full stop. Blatant islamophobia, I'd like to think, we handle relatively quickly and harshly. More "nuanced" attempts at islamophobia aren't always obvious, and we do have a few Muslim members of staff that we try to get input from whenever possible. Things like, "all religion is bad" isn't necessarily islamophobia, but going into a thread about Muslims and for some reason feeling the need to say that COULD be construed as it. Or it could just be a moron who just can't control their need to be edgy and argumentative.

We're working on a response to Shoot's ticket (which, the incident I described above, was one of the ones brought up). I apologize that it's taken so long to get to it - it's a massive queue of tickets and we just didn't get to it. No real excuse there.

I agree that we can always do better, and we'll devote some time in our meetings to discuss what we can do to improve our policies and awareness, including handing out harsher penalties for those skirting the line between "is it" or "isn't it" islamophobia.


Anton was banned because he decided to derail a thread about Al-Asqa and make it about Ukraine/Zelenskyy. He has a ban history over the past few months of also derailing threads about Russia with tankie rhetoric, including posting incredibly dubious sources trying to prove his point, and trying to both-sides the conflict (and there were quite a few other posters that were banned for similar reasons as well). Want to talk about Western hypocrisy? Ok, fine. But when most of your posts are looking at something like Ukraine strictly from the persepective of "oh they have Nazis in their population" (as if those don't exist in Russia or like...the rest of the white population of the world), then you clearly aren't there to look at the situation holistically and are clearly there to just stir up shit and parrot Russian propaganda.

Looks like we forgot to put in a ban message, and we'll fix that. Sometimes we get the ban out of the way to remove the person from the thread quickly because we know it's bannable, but then go back and add the banner once the fire is out. I'll go fix that now.

Someone brought up that they were a "prominent member," as if that should be a factor. If y'all could provide a list of members who should be free to break the rules, then we can post that list so that the forum knows who not to report. If someone has 1,000 or 10,000 posts, and they decide to go into a thread and console war, they'll get a warning or a ban for a few days. I mean, do we give some sort of consideration to the time between infractions? Sure, so durations may be different for each individual case, but the rule is still the same.


The previous thread was locked because it had gone so far off topic that it was no longer about Al-Asqa and was basically a thread about Ukraine. Now if we can keep THIS thread on topic, or if someone would like to make a new thread about the attack itself, then by all means, we will let it stay open - as long as it stays on topic.

[Boredfrom]

Looks like we forgot to put in a ban message, and we'll fix that.

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-forces-storm-the-al-aqsa-mosque-yet-again-400-palestinians-arrested-150-injured.573397/page-2#post-85201864

User Banned (Permanent): Derailing thread + recent, frequent history of trolling Ukraine/Russia threads

Link to where Zelensky said this? Because that’s an insane comparison if true

'We Face the Same Threat': Zelensky Says It's Time for Israel to Back Ukraine - Palestine Chronicle
https://twitter.com/hamada_pal2020/status/1505617534149611525?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1505617534149611525%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=11&width=550px
He compares the eradication of Ukraine by Russia to the eradication of Israel. I don't think he specifically named Palestine, but given the language he used, it's clear the "threat" he's talking about is Palestine.

He's also more recently said he wants Ukraine to follow the model of Israel: Zelenskyy wants Ukraine to be 'a big Israel.' Here's a road map. - Atlantic Council

[clothedmacuser]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/post-85261831

Well then we got an example of shadowbanning right here on Era for being critical of the Israeli regime.

yep, found it amusing that someone was downplaying that shadowbanning was a thing when more or less the same thing happens in this place

Remember when ERA was founded as a means to escape from a forum run by power-tripping PoS that banned those that spoke up against him/called out the shitting things he did, or didn't agree with him?

BishopTL?

[joeboy101]

Anton was banned because he decided to derail a thread about Al-Asqa and make it about Ukraine/Zelenskyy. He has a ban history over the past few months of also derailing threads about Russia with tankie rhetoric, including posting incredibly dubious sources trying to prove his point, and trying to both-sides the conflict (and there were quite a few other posters that were banned for similar reasons as well).

*cough*

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-forces-storm-the-al-aqsa-mosque-yet-again-400-palestinians-arrested-150-injured.573397/post-85202518

Zelenskyy's appeal to Israel is pretty fucking telling.

Well... that's awkward.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-3#post-85272628

Hey all. I'll try to address the points raised in here.

If the general feeling of the Muslim community on Era is that we aren't doing enough, then we should be trying to do better. Full stop. Blatant islamophobia, I'd like to think, we handle relatively quickly and harshly. More "nuanced" attempts at islamophobia aren't always obvious, and we do have a few Muslim members of staff that we try to get input from whenever possible. Things like, "all religion is bad" isn't necessarily islamophobia, but going into a thread about Muslims and for some reason feeling the need to say that COULD be construed as it. Or it could just be a moron who just can't control their need to be edgy and argumentative.

We're working on a response to Shoot's ticket (which, the incident I described above, was one of the ones brought up). I apologize that it's taken so long to get to it - it's a massive queue of tickets and we just didn't get to it. No real excuse there.

I agree that we can always do better, and we'll devote some time in our meetings to discuss what we can do to improve our policies and awareness, including handing out harsher penalties for those skirting the line between "is it" or "isn't it" islamophobia.


Anton was banned because he decided to derail a thread about Al-Asqa and make it about Ukraine/Zelenskyy. He has a ban history over the past few months of also derailing threads about Russia with tankie rhetoric, including posting incredibly dubious sources trying to prove his point, and trying to both-sides the conflict (and there were quite a few other posters that were banned for similar reasons as well). Want to talk about Western hypocrisy? Ok, fine. But when most of your posts are looking at something like Ukraine strictly from the persepective of "oh they have Nazis in their population" (as if those don't exist in Russia or like...the rest of the white population of the world), then you clearly aren't there to look at the situation holistically and are clearly there to just stir up shit and parrot Russian propaganda.

Looks like we forgot to put in a ban message, and we'll fix that. Sometimes we get the ban out of the way to remove the person from the thread quickly because we know it's bannable, but then go back and add the banner once the fire is out. I'll go fix that now.

Someone brought up that they were a "prominent member," as if that should be a factor. If y'all could provide a list of members who should be free to break the rules, then we can post that list so that the forum knows who not to report. If someone has 1,000 or 10,000 posts, and they decide to go into a thread and console war, they'll get a warning or a ban for a few days. I mean, do we give some sort of consideration to the time between infractions? Sure, so durations may be different for each individual case, but the rule is still the same.


The previous thread was locked because it had gone so far off topic that it was no longer about Al-Asqa and was basically a thread about Ukraine. Now if we can keep THIS thread on topic, or if someone would like to make a new thread about the attack itself, then by all means, we will let it stay open - as long as it stays on topic.

Didn't Hecht participate in the white man's Colonial wars against the brown man? Now he's continuing his cycle of violence against Muslims on Resetera.

[Taco Bell Tower]

If someone has 1,000 or 10,000 posts, and they decide to go into a thread and console war, they'll get a warning or a ban for a few days. I mean, do we give some sort of consideration to the time between infractions? Sure, so durations may be different for each individual case, but the rule is still the same.

Wtf does console wars have to do with politics?

[Klelk]

If someone has 1,000 or 10,000 posts, and they decide to go into a thread and console war, they'll get a warning or a ban for a few days. I mean, do we give some sort of consideration to the time between infractions? Sure, so durations may be different for each individual case, but the rule is still the same.

Wtf does console wars have to do with politics?

Console wars are as real as the war in Ukraine. Play it tactical

[NekoFever]

Someone brought up that they were a "prominent member," as if that should be a factor. If y'all could provide a list of members who should be free to break the rules, then we can post that list so that the forum knows who not to report.

I’m pretty sure the ban tracker had a VIP list.

[joeboy101]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/post-85274530

Anton was not the first poster to mention Ukraine in the Al-Aqsa thread. Two prior posts had raised the comparison between media treatment of Ukrainians and Palestinians, the first was Rusty with a very insightful post.

Also, Hecht claims that the moderation team accidentally left off the reason and duration of the ban. However, there is reason to believe this was not a simple oversight. Anton has shared with members of the community that he had issued a ticket yesterday asking for clarification on his ban. As of this morning that ticket was closed with no response.

Not only was a ban message omitted, staff went out of their way to close a ticket (despite the apparent backlog of tickets) without correcting the issue.

No, I think the modding team is doing a terrific job, really.

 

[Averon]

Anton was banned because he decided to derail a thread about Al-Asqa and make it about Ukraine/Zelenskyy. He has a ban history over the past few months of also derailing threads about Russia with tankie rhetoric, including posting incredibly dubious sources trying to prove his point, and trying to both-sides the conflict (and there were quite a few other posters that were banned for similar reasons as well).

*cough*

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-forces-storm-the-al-aqsa-mosque-yet-again-400-palestinians-arrested-150-injured.573397/post-85202518

Zelenskyy's appeal to Israel is pretty fucking telling.

Well... that's awkward.

All the mods are incompetent, but Nep Nep is the worst by far. She regularly makes all of them look even worse than usual whenever she's involved in the latest dust up with the mods and users. How long can B-Dubs justify Nep's worse incompetence and gross bias?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Anton was banned because he decided to derail a thread about Al-Asqa and make it about Ukraine/Zelenskyy. He has a ban history over the past few months of also derailing threads about Russia with tankie rhetoric, including posting incredibly dubious sources trying to prove his point, and trying to both-sides the conflict (and there were quite a few other posters that were banned for similar reasons as well).

*cough*

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-forces-storm-the-al-aqsa-mosque-yet-again-400-palestinians-arrested-150-injured.573397/post-85202518

Zelenskyy's appeal to Israel is pretty fucking telling.

Well... that's awkward.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/page-3#post-85275694

Also, Hecht claims that the moderation team accidentally left off the reason and duration of the ban. However, there is reason to believe this was not a simple oversight. Anton has shared with members of the community that he had issued a ticket yesterday asking for clarification on his ban. As of this morning that ticket was closed with no response.

These don't necessarily correlate. I almost left a couple of banners off of members earlier this morning simply because I did things out of order in the interest of clearing the queue as quickly as possible. Considering the separate operating procedures that are involved in applying a ban and a banner (it's not all one screen, and depending upon cases of ban reviews or multiple members you can easily have several tabs open at once), it's not impossible to miss a step, or to have banners that are a little wonky or inaccurate.

Looking at Anton's ticket, it's one we would naturally close out. A lot of tickets we receive for appeals aren't actually appeals. They're basically angry demands for explanation or relitigation, which is part of the reason why the queue is as clogged as it is and it's what Anton's comes across as at face value. So what seems more likely is that the banner was left off on accident. Anton sent in a ticket asking about why he was banned, which makes sense from his end. However, if the staffer who closed the ticket out didn't actually take the time to check that there was a banner applied (and we wouldn't expect them to; 99 times out of 100 a banner exists), then it would be easy to construe the ticket as a non-appeal and simply close it out.

Ultimately, considering the level of vigilance and distrust members have of staff, it ultimately makes no for us to try and shadowban anyone in the first place. We're also not coy, not are we all that swayed by the perceived importance of a member. The idea that we are trying to sneak around you lot and ban people we hate for whatever reason it's believed we hate them implies a level of petty vengefulness that just isn't pertinent to this job. We have lives outside of this endeavor. I just do my rounds here and then I play Overwatch or do some artwork.

However, in the interest of extending an olive branch and acting in good faith, I will have staff discuss Anton's ban and history, and he will have his ticket reopened and receive a formal response sometime soon.

[Averon]

Is this Nep feeling guilty about her sanctioning the discussion that got Anton perma banned ?

[Propagandhim]

edit: maybe too petty. 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/#post-85229932

User Banned (Duration Pending): Dismissing concerns of bigotry, account in junior phase

Pretty funny to see everyone acting like they were so innocent at 16. Dream sucks for a variety of reasons, but vilifying him based on something he did when he was a kid is not fair.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/#post-85230355

User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns of bigotry

Pretty funny to see everyone acting like they were so innocent at 16. Dream sucks for a variety of reasons, but vilifying him based on something he did when he was a kid is not fair.

I agree with you on this. I don't follow Dream at all, but unless he's still posting KKK shit now, I don't see why he needs to get skewered for shit he did when he was 16. There are many people out there (myself included) that did or said dumb harmful or racist shit when they were a teenager.

But in this specific scenario, I think the beef is more that he denies that he ever did such a thing back then, rather than just apologizing for his edgy teenage phase.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/page-3#post-85251622

User Banned (Duration Pending): Concern trolling and downplaying bigotry across multiple posts, a pattern of stereotypical and inappropriate commentary

Who knows what his mental health was at that time. Illness, insecurity, etc, all manifest differently in different people. You're not always your best self when you're not feeling well, and the human brain is not even fully developed in most people until their mid-20s. Some people are wired in a way where they handle it better than others. But that disposition is, itself, a privilege.

He should just acknowledge he was struggling with some things and they don't reflect who he really was after growth and introspection. And then move on. All I know of this guy is that his current tweets (the one posted in this thread with 100k likes) says to love all people. So if that's the message he's sending now -- good.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/page-3#post-85252840

User Banned (Duration Pending): Concern trolling in a thread regarding bigotry, previous severe ban for downplaying white supremacy

Scroll up like 2 posts.... he's not an unknown person and his life isn't being ruined by this thread.

Stop excusing harrassment.

[clothedmacuser]

Ultimately, considering the level of vigilance and distrust members have of staff . . .
The idea that we are trying to sneak around you lot and ban people we hate for whatever reason it's believed we hate them implies a level of petty vengefulness that just isn't pertinent to this job.

Strange how she's the mod that always has to bring up that despite how much the populace "hates the mods," all the "mods, aren't "petty" or vindictive.

You don't see other mods pre defending themselves against claims of pettiness or being disliked.  Or proclaiming how much they stay in their own lanes and don't speak for others.  She feels the need to fight back at a perception she claims is against all the mods and not just her.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/#post-85229932

User Banned (Duration Pending): Dismissing concerns of bigotry, account in junior phase

Pretty funny to see everyone acting like they were so innocent at 16. Dream sucks for a variety of reasons, but vilifying him based on something he did when he was a kid is not fair.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/#post-85230355

User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns of bigotry

Pretty funny to see everyone acting like they were so innocent at 16. Dream sucks for a variety of reasons, but vilifying him based on something he did when he was a kid is not fair.

I agree with you on this. I don't follow Dream at all, but unless he's still posting KKK shit now, I don't see why he needs to get skewered for shit he did when he was 16. There are many people out there (myself included) that did or said dumb harmful or racist shit when they were a teenager.

But in this specific scenario, I think the beef is more that he denies that he ever did such a thing back then, rather than just apologizing for his edgy teenage phase.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/page-3#post-85251622

User Banned (Duration Pending): Concern trolling and downplaying bigotry across multiple posts, a pattern of stereotypical and inappropriate commentary

Who knows what his mental health was at that time. Illness, insecurity, etc, all manifest differently in different people. You're not always your best self when you're not feeling well, and the human brain is not even fully developed in most people until their mid-20s. Some people are wired in a way where they handle it better than others. But that disposition is, itself, a privilege.

He should just acknowledge he was struggling with some things and they don't reflect who he really was after growth and introspection. And then move on. All I know of this guy is that his current tweets (the one posted in this thread with 100k likes) says to love all people. So if that's the message he's sending now -- good.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/page-3#post-85252840

User Banned (Duration Pending): Concern trolling in a thread regarding bigotry, previous severe ban for downplaying white supremacy

Scroll up like 2 posts.... he's not an unknown person and his life isn't being ruined by this thread.

Stop excusing harrassment.

ERA: We need to end doxxing and harassment.  Right after this case.

[HaughtyFrank]

Ultimately, considering the level of vigilance and distrust members have of staff . . .
The idea that we are trying to sneak around you lot and ban people we hate for whatever reason it's believed we hate them implies a level of petty vengefulness that just isn't pertinent to this job.

Remember when a dude got perma banned for tweeting that Nepenthe isn't fit to be an admin? A tweet that went out to a mere handful of followers? If you don't remember it, I'm pretty sure you can find it in the dictionary under "petty"

[Propagandhim]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/#post-85229932

User Banned (Duration Pending): Dismissing concerns of bigotry, account in junior phase

Pretty funny to see everyone acting like they were so innocent at 16. Dream sucks for a variety of reasons, but vilifying him based on something he did when he was a kid is not fair.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/#post-85230355

User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns of bigotry

Pretty funny to see everyone acting like they were so innocent at 16. Dream sucks for a variety of reasons, but vilifying him based on something he did when he was a kid is not fair.

I agree with you on this. I don't follow Dream at all, but unless he's still posting KKK shit now, I don't see why he needs to get skewered for shit he did when he was 16. There are many people out there (myself included) that did or said dumb harmful or racist shit when they were a teenager.

But in this specific scenario, I think the beef is more that he denies that he ever did such a thing back then, rather than just apologizing for his edgy teenage phase.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/page-3#post-85251622

User Banned (Duration Pending): Concern trolling and downplaying bigotry across multiple posts, a pattern of stereotypical and inappropriate commentary

Who knows what his mental health was at that time. Illness, insecurity, etc, all manifest differently in different people. You're not always your best self when you're not feeling well, and the human brain is not even fully developed in most people until their mid-20s. Some people are wired in a way where they handle it better than others. But that disposition is, itself, a privilege.

He should just acknowledge he was struggling with some things and they don't reflect who he really was after growth and introspection. And then move on. All I know of this guy is that his current tweets (the one posted in this thread with 100k likes) says to love all people. So if that's the message he's sending now -- good.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/old-videos-with-kkk-imagery-leak-from-minecraft-content-creator-dream.573724/page-3#post-85252840

User Banned (Duration Pending): Concern trolling in a thread regarding bigotry, previous severe ban for downplaying white supremacy

Scroll up like 2 posts.... he's not an unknown person and his life isn't being ruined by this thread.

Stop excusing harrassment.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/streamer-ishowspeed-melts-down-in-game-and-belittles-women-talking-to-him-previously-perm-banned-from-twitch-for-threatening-rape.570424/page-5


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However, you're also not obligated to be the bouncer and keep the door to betterment blocked off forever.

[Polident Hive]

If this teenager wants absolution for past sins, he just needs to say three hail marys and direct a marvel movie.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/warner-bros-is-waiting-to-see-how-fantastic-beasts-3-performs-before-greenlighting-4th-and-5th-films.572506/page-7#post-85129405

User banned (1 week): Trolling, Metacommentary

So era is fine with talking about the movies but not the game 🤷

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/r-have-removed-several-transphobic-jokes-stereotypes-from-the-next-gen-versions-of-gta-5.573334/page-2#post-85186162

User Banned (1 Month): Dismissing concerns of transphobia across multiple posts

I always worried about commenting in these threads because people will probably take any counter argument the wrong way.

But here it goes:

GTA has always being about making fun of all genders/races/stereotypes. I think the fair point is that they should make fun of them all equally, and if the Trans community was getting more jokes than the rest, then by all means take a few out to make it more even.

I’m a minority, so I’ve been the butt of the joke before in many of these. However, I think this game is not to be taken too seriously. We mock the parents yelling on TV that this game is teaching kids how to be criminals, and we then say it’s crazy talk because it’s a game. Calling a virtual pedestrian a racial slur is not okay, but running them over and shooting them in the head with a shotgun is fine.

My point is that GTA is far gone from being any paragon of ethics/morality, of what is okay and what is not okay.

[Boredfrom]

If this teenager wants absolution for past sins, he just needs to say three hail marys and direct a marvel movie.

Being fair, the guy has a hatedom outside of Resetera (and he is not exactly a charming person).

Is hilarious how they go for  “age is just a number” in this case.

Why all fucking YouTubers / streamers end up being trash, like fucking clockwork?

Also fucking tired of “I was 16 at the time”. You are old enough to drive a fucking car. At 16 you are an adult.

 

Btw, the dude has also mental issues.

[John Dunbar]

the totally not-petty mods are probably taking down all the names from that meta censorship thread to ban them later.

[clothedmacuser]

If this teenager wants absolution for past sins, he just needs to say three hail marys and direct a marvel movie.

Being fair, the guy has a hatedom outside of Resetera (and he is not exactly a charming person).

Is hilarious how they go for  “age is just a number” in this case.

Why all fucking YouTubers / streamers end up being trash, like fucking clockwork?

Also fucking tired of “I was 16 at the time”. You are old enough to drive a fucking car. At 16 you are an adult.

 

Btw, the dude has also mental issues.

God I hate this.  If he were on the left they woudl defend him and say, "he was just a child."  If he's on the right, "I never did that at his age," "he's nearly an adult," "old enough to do ________," etc.  This is the same shit as when they judicial rights are applied to someone on the opposite political party.   

I keep thinking of this Atlantic article, WHY THE PAST 10 YEARS OF AMERICAN LIFE HAVE BEEN UNIQUELY STUPID

The most reliable cure for confirmation bias is interaction with people who don’t share your beliefs. They confront you with counterevidence and counterargument. John Stuart Mill said, “He who knows only his own side of the case, knows little of that,” and he urged us to seek out conflicting views “from persons who actually believe them.” People who think differently and are willing to speak up if they disagree with you make you smarter, almost as if they are extensions of your own brain. People who try to silence or intimidate their critics make themselves stupider, almost as if they are shooting darts into their own brain.

We are pretty much helpless to do anything about this at a large scale.  I think all we can do is attempt to not fall into that trap ourselves.  Don't become like Nepenthe.

[benjipwns]

Ultimately, considering the level of vigilance and distrust members have of staff . . .
The idea that we are trying to sneak around you lot and ban people we hate for whatever reason it's believed we hate them implies a level of petty vengefulness that just isn't pertinent to this job.

Strange how she's the mod that always has to bring up that despite how much the populace "hates the mods," all the "mods, aren't "petty" or vindictive.

You don't see other mods pre defending themselves against claims of pettiness or being disliked.  Or proclaiming how much they stay in their own lanes and don't speak for others.  She feels the need to fight back at a perception she claims is against all the mods and not just her.

A person in power getting defensive when their actions get criticized by a minority? Sounds like janny fragility.

[Snoopycat_]

Meanwhile on Gaf -

People in Europe are working their damn asses off and can't make ends meet, and aren't having children because they can't afford to. Immigrants from North Africa and west Asia very often fail to integrate, live off of welfare, and have half a dozen children. A slow but steady population replacement is clearly happening in Europe, and everyone is looking away and/or pretending it's a lie, but it's not. European leaders are letting our western"Leitkultur" get pushed aside more and more because we don't want to offend anyone and want to be inclusive etc. Like, how many businesses don't put up a Christmas tree anymore because some muslim dude might feel offended? Just fuck off with that shit, man.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Lore.


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/riots-in-sweden.1634942/page-2#post-266019208

[benjipwns]

Since I will never not get triggered over this:

We really do. I don't have a strong take about the details here, but unless you believe that there should be zero limitation on what anyone can post online, someone need to make that calls, someone need to moderate it. And it's waaaaay better to do that through government agencies, that at least in theory we can assert democratic control over than to let the worst companies in the world make those decision.

"it's not censorship is we outsource it to for profit companies" is legit one of the dumbest ideas in American politics.

I don't think you have a perfect solution for those things, it's a difficult problem that I don't think any human society in history perfectly solved, but I absolutely think that if you must regulate speech it's better to do that by the government that to let the worst companies in the world do that, which is what we are doing right now.
And the government get involved in that in the end anyway, we just pretend that we don't so we don't have an honest public discussion about what we're actually doing.

i hate tiktok but absolutely jump with glee everytime a news comes out about how it’s destroying zuck’s shady empire

I think they'll get it banned in the US.
They'll run some stories about kids doing rainbow parties or whatever on tik tok and enough "but won't you think of the children" concerned christian moms will join in for that to pass.

Trump almost got it banned because some kids made fun of him, and he was one of the dumbest, most lazy presidents this country ever had.

When you post something Facebook/Twitter/ResetERA.com/etc. doesn't allow: it gets deleted and/or you get banned. Can continue to publish your speech everywhere else. (And from a practical standpoint you can make a new account on platforms and try publishing it again until they catch you again.)
When you post something the government doesn't allow: you get arrested, imprisoned and/or killed. Cannot publish your speech anywhere.

It's amazing how many people willingly refuse to grasp this because they hate the idea that people can speak in ways they don't want to exist.

Chikor seems to understand this based on the last post I've quoted here, but seems ignorant of it in his other posts in the same thread. Especially considering he's posting on a forum that wants even harsher censorship by private companies than currently and where there's many members who want the state to start enforcing that censorship outside of the platforms. Concepts I don't see him (and increasingly fewer members) ever pushing back against.

[HaughtyFrank]

I assume Chikor likes Russian TV

https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1514680058505412619

[Propagandhim]

Meanwhile on Gaf -

People in Europe are working their damn asses off and can't make ends meet, and aren't having children because they can't afford to. Immigrants from North Africa and west Asia very often fail to integrate, live off of welfare, and have half a dozen children. A slow but steady population replacement is clearly happening in Europe, and everyone is looking away and/or pretending it's a lie, but it's not. European leaders are letting our western"Leitkultur" get pushed aside more and more because we don't want to offend anyone and want to be inclusive etc. Like, how many businesses don't put up a Christmas tree anymore because some muslim dude might feel offended? Just fuck off with that shit, man.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Lore.


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/riots-in-sweden.1634942/page-2#post-266019208

Wait, why don't the white people get on welfare and have tons of kids then?

 

[Uncle]

God I hate this.  If he were on the left they woudl defend him and say, "he was just a child."  If he's on the right, "I never did that at his age," "he's nearly an adult," "old enough to do ________," etc.  This is the same shit as when they judicial rights are applied to someone on the opposite political party.

ah, but in saying this you have fallen into the argumentation pitfall that allows them to play their trap card: typing "bOtH sIdEs" and sitting back smugly, confident that you will never recover

[Snoopycat_]

They want to buy Christmas trees apparently

[joeboy101]

We have lives outside of this endeavor. I just do my rounds here and then I play Overwatch or do some artwork.

She bitches about all the time and effort made in the 'job' and then turns around and tries to make a 'its no real effort' argument to bolster her claims of evenhandedness?

However, in the interest of extending an olive branch and acting in good faith, I will have staff discuss Anton's ban and history, and he will have his ticket reopened and receive a formal response sometime soon.

I don't want to use the word 'an heroine', but...

BTW, Does she realize that by saying 'in good faith' it implies that previously it wasn't done in good faith?

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-•-04-15-04-17-2022-•-underwhelming-openings-and-where-to-find-them.573973/

The most cringe OP from the Box Office threads (an accomplishment by itself).

[Polident Hive]

Meanwhile on Gaf -

People in Europe are working their damn asses off and can't make ends meet, and aren't having children because they can't afford to. Immigrants from North Africa and west Asia very often fail to integrate, live off of welfare, and have half a dozen children. A slow but steady population replacement is clearly happening in Europe, and everyone is looking away and/or pretending it's a lie, but it's not. European leaders are letting our western"Leitkultur" get pushed aside more and more because we don't want to offend anyone and want to be inclusive etc. Like, how many businesses don't put up a Christmas tree anymore because some muslim dude might feel offended? Just fuck off with that shit, man.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Lore.


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/riots-in-sweden.1634942/page-2#post-266019208

[Potato]

Meanwhile on Gaf -

People in Europe are working their damn asses off and can't make ends meet, and aren't having children because they can't afford to. Immigrants from North Africa and west Asia very often fail to integrate, live off of welfare, and have half a dozen children. A slow but steady population replacement is clearly happening in Europe, and everyone is looking away and/or pretending it's a lie, but it's not. European leaders are letting our western"Leitkultur" get pushed aside more and more because we don't want to offend anyone and want to be inclusive etc. Like, how many businesses don't put up a Christmas tree anymore because some muslim dude might feel offended? Just fuck off with that shit, man.

I'm starting to feel a bit sorry for Lore.


https://www.neogaf.com/threads/riots-in-sweden.1634942/page-2#post-266019208

These fucking guys shit me to tears. The most likely person to be a bitch about a Christmas tree is an upper middle class white atheist who votes left.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/wkd-box-office-%E2%80%A2-04-15-04-17-2022-%E2%80%A2-underwhelming-openings-and-where-to-find-them.573973/

The most cringe OP from the Box Office threads (an accomplishment by itself).

Actually surprised Fantastic Beasts is first. From the reviews and lack of any discussion on my TL or Twitter trending, I thought it flopped hard.

I love that in that Deadline article they say JK needs to write more books so they have material to go off of like that’s the problem with the franchise and not that JK turned out to be a huge POS

Has Deadline been avoiding bringing up the controversies? Variety has been pretty consistent in bringing up the bigotry whenever talking about the box office.

Deadline has a hard right bent if you pay attention. It isn't noticeable because of just being a press release blog. But they weirdly cover Trump rallies more than CNN does now

[BIONIC]

Does get a little annoying every time someone just wants a cathartic jab at Rowling attributing her shittiness to one of the brief moments where this poisoned franchise falters, someone (or often several people) feel the need to jump in with a 'well actually' post. Every time. Just let people vent a little even if it's not the culminating force behind why this movie is faltering. It doesn't need correcting.

It's as irritating as people who wander in just to tell us how large and adored the IP still is. Like, we know. That's literally part and parcel of the problem.

Some people seem to really get off on patronising others.

[Boredfrom]

Does get a little annoying every time someone just wants a cathartic jab at Rowling attributing her shittiness to one of the brief moments where this poisoned franchise falters, someone (or often several people) feel the need to jump in with a 'well actually' post. Every time. Just let people vent a little even if it's not the culminating force behind why this movie is faltering. It doesn't need correcting.

Do you think that is healthy?

You guys were mocking (by justified reasons) that nutty GOP senator that claimed that "We are not gonna take it" was a right wing song. Trying to rewrite reality to feel good about something is really insane.

It's as irritating as people who wander in just to tell us how large and adored the IP still is. Like, we know. That's literally part and parcel of the problem.

You are nobody to bitch about people consuming "problematic" media.

[remy]

Some people seem to really get off on patronising others.

The only patronizing I get off on is when I patronize the hardworking man under the Queensboro Bridge 

[Snoopycat_]

These fucking guys shit me to tears. The most likely person to be a bitch about a Christmas tree is an upper middle class white atheist who votes left.

They're very odd people. There's no humour in them. No sense of the absurd. The great thing about people like Nep Nep is she starts on outlandish levels. So it's easy to take her character and have fun with an even more extreme version.

[Uncle]

I get off on matronizing others

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/meta-fb-instagram-is-censoring-coverage-of-al-aqsa-attack-by-israel-and-shadowbanning-prominent-voices.573742/post-85261831

Well then we got an example of shadowbanning right here on Era for being critical of the Israeli regime.

Yes, that era 'shadowban' of anti-israeli content, as exemplified by the fucking sticky thats basically just two posters posting every contextless unverified tweet they can attacking israel 

e: top of page IDF

spoiler (click to show/hide)

[close]

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Looking at Anton's ticket, it's one we would naturally close out. A lot of tickets we receive for appeals aren't actually appeals. They're basically angry demands for explanation or relitigation, which is part of the reason why the queue is as clogged as it is and it's what Anton's comes across as at face value. So what seems more likely is that the banner was left off on accident. Anton sent in a ticket asking about why he was banned, which makes sense from his end. However, if the staffer who closed the ticket out didn't actually take the time to check that there was a banner applied (and we wouldn't expect them to; 99 times out of 100 a banner exists), then it would be easy to construe the ticket as a non-appeal and simply close it out.

Oh, good to know "Wtf why was I banned, your ban reason makes no fucking sense, I wasn't doing what you claim I was" isn't ackshually a ban appeal and will just get ignored
 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Ultimately, considering the level of vigilance and distrust members have of staff, it ultimately makes no for us to try and shadowban anyone in the first place. We're also not coy, not are we all that swayed by the perceived importance of a member. The idea that we are trying to sneak around you lot and ban people we hate for whatever reason it's believed we hate them implies a level of petty vengefulness that just isn't pertinent to this job. We have lives outside of this endeavor. I just do my rounds here and then I play Overwatch or do some artwork.

However, in the interest of extending an olive branch and acting in good faith, I will have staff discuss Anton's ban and history, and he will have his ticket reopened and receive a formal response sometime soon.

Yeah, quite a lot of the fucking complaints people have is that the staff level of pettiness isn't 'pertinent' (or fucking necessary) to the 'job', you fucks still do it though.

Or please describe John Dunbars recent perma ban and how it was handled without using the adjective petty or any of its synonyms.

Also, as per usual this becomes another about how super fulfilling nepenthes life is even though its soooooooo hard being a forum janitor

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

However, you're also not obligated to be the bouncer and keep the door to betterment blocked off forever.

This is weirdly open minded and lenient for the site that unpersons people because of who they follow on fucking twitter, I wonder wh

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

A person in power getting defensive when their actions get criticized by a minority? Sounds like janny fragility.

Modacity

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Chikor seems to understand this based on the last post I've quoted here, but seems ignorant of it in his other posts in the same thread. Especially considering he's posting on a forum that wants even harsher censorship by private companies than currently and where there's many members who want the state to start enforcing that censorship outside of the platforms. Concepts I don't see him (and increasingly fewer members) ever pushing back against.

Chikor appears to accidentally be making an argument in favour of free speech as an aspiration not solely as a statutory government obligation 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

A training course isn't going to undo two decades worth of societal racist messaging that the recruits will grow up with. They'd be better off raising recruiting requirements and highering smart people. Or recruit AA studies majors or something.

[ShutUp]

Kyuuji kept trying to ban bait people in that box office thread, capped off with that “look at all of you not letting us get in cathartic jabs without saying something about it” whiny ass post. No one really took the bait 

Also, the movie didn’t do well because it just didn’t look that interesting, not because of your invented boogeyman Rowling.