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« Reply #44040 on: March 09, 2023, 09:12:36 PM »
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I'm sure there was more thought put into it than most of these "clothes for Africa" charity drives which usually amount to people just dumping their fast fashion shite on a bunch of unsuspecting people who then have to deal with the cleanup.

I just find it an interesting discussion how something that seems so beneficial can have unintended consequences.

Oh definitely. Everything has nuance (I've heard the same thing about how donating clothes isn't always the best option).

What really irks me though, is twisting a good fantastic deed that is putting shoes on children is spun into "racist and poverty stereotypes". They're not even bringing up the concern you did... they're reframing this act of charity as being bad because there might be a perception of some poverty in Africa (hard to believe, I know).

https://www.resetera.com/threads/mr-beasts-chocolate-partnered-with-the-rainforest-alliance-the-same-partner-as-hersheys-both-currently-facing-lawsuit-related-to-child-labor.694624/page-2#post-102368545

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These type of threads are extremely tiring to see, especially when there's already a thread from the same thread creator about the same content creator right next to each other. Isn't there a threadmark feature? Y'all just like to make yourselves upset and/or feel better by doing this, it's extremely weird to see.

The ridiculous thing is there are definitely some conversations to be had about Squid Game exploitation style challenges dangling cash in front of people for entertainment, but if you're going to go after a guy for restoring eyesight to people, maybe you're just a cunt.


Edit: My current dream scenario would be Mr Beast paying for gender transition surgery for a bunch of transgender people.
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« Reply #44041 on: March 09, 2023, 09:21:31 PM »
 https://www.resetera.com/threads/mr-beasts-chocolate-partnered-with-the-rainforest-alliance-the-same-partner-as-hersheys-both-currently-facing-lawsuit-related-to-child-labor.694624/page-4


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The charity he teamed up with is Barefoot No More, which is from Johannesburg (which is good), and he gave the shoes to kids in South Africa but his video caption is "Giving 20,000 shoes to kids in Africa" which not only perpetuates racist stereotypes about Africa but also promotes "poverty porn", not to mention the whole white savior thing. In addition to that, it's not really charity if he makes a video about it that gets millions of views, sells product and lines his pockets...at least in my opinion.
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Adam Ruins Everything did a great video about this awhile ago and it stuck in my head ever since so everytime I hear about some white guy giving shoes to Africa I always think of it.

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@2:36 "Shoes is the least of our problems, really.  We're worried about Malaria, we're worried about getting jobs, we're worried about getting electricity in the village."

Shows infograph of 86% of Uganda not having access to electricity.





Five posts above Nepenthe posts this as an example of how condescending the white folk are.









So what is "poverty porn" and what isn't?!
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« Reply #44042 on: March 09, 2023, 09:31:35 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mr-beasts-chocolate-partnered-with-the-rainforest-alliance-the-same-partner-as-hersheys-both-currently-facing-lawsuit-related-to-child-labor.694624/page-4

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The charity he teamed up with is Barefoot No More, which is from Johannesburg (which is good), and he gave the shoes to kids in South Africa but his video caption is "Giving 20,000 shoes to kids in Africa" which not only perpetuates racist stereotypes about Africa but also promotes "poverty porn", not to mention the whole white savior thing. In addition to that, it's not really charity if he makes a video about it that gets millions of views, sells product and lines his pockets...at least in my opinion.
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Adam Ruins Everything did a great video about this awhile ago and it stuck in my head ever since so everytime I hear about some white guy giving shoes to Africa I always think of it.

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@2:36 "Shoes is the least of our problems, really.  We're worried about Malaria, we're worried about getting jobs, we're worried about getting electricity in the village."

Shoes infograph of 86% of Uganda not having access to electricity.
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Five posts above Nepenthe posts this as an example of how condescending the white folk are.



(Image removed from quote.)

So what is "poverty porn" and what isn't?!

It's all poverty porn.

The best way to help people in Africa...and Nepenthe and the rest of the idiot commies will love this...is to ensure corruption and political violence is stamped out which will help foreign investment come in to create jobs and economic activity.
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« Reply #44043 on: March 09, 2023, 10:07:06 PM »
For people who contribute nothing to the world, they sure are an opinionated lot.

I’d say if Mr Beast (if that is their real name) wants to help the world, he’d buy out Ant-Man 3 theaters to boost Disney-Marvel’s business. Era approved praxis.

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« Reply #44044 on: March 09, 2023, 10:24:07 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102426016
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So at what point does the UN get involved? Cause it seems like they’re speed running to check all the boxes that define a genocide - and you don’t need to check all the boxes for it to count.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention[/URL]
Oh no, not a tersely worded non-binding resolution from a hundred plus countries that treat trans people and minorities worse, please, anything but that.
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« Reply #44045 on: March 09, 2023, 10:25:42 PM »
We probably wouldn't even need to be the Security Council member to veto anything with teeth that calls LGBT oppression a genocide, there's two blatant others plus TERF Island. :lol

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« Reply #44046 on: March 09, 2023, 10:31:37 PM »
The Mr Beast shit is truly baffling.

Like, there's no way people like this

https://twitter.com/kylietcheung/status/1633939090130489344

Are genuinely interested in advancing whatever vaguely "leftist" movements they claim they are advocates for.

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« Reply #44047 on: March 09, 2023, 10:34:04 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-2#post-102403972

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It's not that they don't care it's that they want us to commit suicide. They want to make our lives unbearable so that we finish ourselves off and they don't have to go through the trouble of rounding us up and putting us in camps.
You better believe they'll try that last part if the first part doesn't work. And there are PLENTY of people out there that would just willingly pull the trigger for them anyway.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102416821

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It's honestly time to strap up against these mothafuckas.

I ain't even trans, but I have empathy & understanding. If they coming for you, they coming for my Black ass next.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102421891

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We won’t start the war, but we will finish it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102423913

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We're just one step from the reeducation camps that will lead to death camps now.
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Trans people are (well, have been) well within their rights to arm themselves for war at this point. I don’t know what else to say, they’re fighting genocide.
                   stochastic terrorism?
 :isthis

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« Reply #44048 on: March 09, 2023, 10:49:13 PM »
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Okay, cis people. Are you listening to us yet?
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Yes, I have been listening and will continue to do all I can to help.
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Sorry. Well sorry for saying sorry as you don't need is an apology but for something to get done. You're right to feel angry at allies when most of them won't even stand up for you to shitty family at Thanksgiving let alone when you got people calling for your culling. Nah I hear you and want them gone just as bad. Just wondering when everyone else is gonna get the memo and stop thinking we can just live with them. First draft of this post had a lot more quotation marks in it but to hell with it. I don't mean to try and get you to read between the lines but you know what I mean
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-2#post-102388282
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All I can say is that that Arnold thread from last night was very eye opening for me. Even in this one, we have evidence of plans for genocide, with less posts than a “What’s your favorite poop?” thread. We can’t do this alone, and right now, it feels like we are a lot of the time.
I always notice whenever they start saying what allies should actually do in specific terms, it's well, stuff like being a jerk at Thanksgiving during events that have not happened or posting where they already post more but on topics other people want them to post irrelevantly about?

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They want trans people to die out, point blank. But just like the GOP, they're too cowardly to admit it.

All this effort focused on hate instead of improving the livelihood of every citizen. But I'm going to guess these are even more self-proclaimed "Christians" looking to eradicate something that has zero effect on them. Just let people be.
Interesting, when I say "just let people be" I get accused of being a far-right fascist and wanting people to die if we don't have the cops do violence to minorities. :fbm

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« Reply #44049 on: March 09, 2023, 11:46:53 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102426016
Quote from: julian, post: 102426016, member: 12305
So at what point does the UN get involved? Cause it seems like they’re speed running to check all the boxes that define a genocide - and you don’t need to check all the boxes for it to count.

[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genocide_Convention[/URL]
Oh no, not a tersely worded non-binding resolution from a hundred plus countries that treat trans people and minorities worse, please, anything but that.
The US would still veto it anyway


We probably wouldn't even need to be the Security Council member to veto anything with teeth that calls LGBT oppression a genocide, there's two blatant others plus TERF Island. :lol
Damnit, beat like an innocent black guy "fleeing" US police
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« Reply #44050 on: March 09, 2023, 11:49:37 PM »
The Mr Beast shit is truly baffling.

Like, there's no way people like this

https://twitter.com/kylietcheung/status/1633939090130489344

Are genuinely interested in advancing whatever vaguely "leftist" movements they claim they are advocates for.
The only person I know who likes this shit is my 7 year old nephew.

But he's 7 so he's an idiot by default.

What excuse do grown adults have to follow this shit (hate watching or otherwise?)
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« Reply #44051 on: March 10, 2023, 12:03:58 AM »
The US would still veto it anyway
There's no veto on General Assembly resolutions, but they're also meaningless. The UN has passed over 9000 (actual figure, not a joke) General Assembly resolutions against Israel.

The only person I know who likes this shit is my 7 year old nephew.

But he's 7 so he's an idiot by default.

What excuse do grown adults have to follow this shit (hate watching or otherwise?)
FOMO. For these particular types it's "popular" so they feel the need to pay attention so they can "cover" it for their readers so everyone knows the correct point of view to have on an irrelevant topic to ward off the fears of others realizing they're stupid and have no idea what they're talking about. (Staying silent on things you don't know anything about? You shut the fuck up right now, fascist.)

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« Reply #44052 on: March 10, 2023, 12:42:16 AM »
There was a brief conversation recently about how the modern internet essentially places all age ranges on the same level. How unnatural and weird it is. Take Twitter, where 11-year-olds and 43-year-olds are exposed to the same media, the same trends, the same discourse. So deeply infantilized quadragenarians believing content made for tweens is for them. Flip side, kids influencing discourse they don’t have the tools to understand.

tl dr maybe Nintendo had the right idea with miiverse.

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« Reply #44053 on: March 10, 2023, 01:07:06 AM »
Man, I don't know, but when they're sharing stuff like this uncritically;
twitter.com/AlyAlyOutnFree/status/1632137002278694912

:mindblown

How can anyone in good conscience pretend this an accurate state of affairs? Or then tell others that this a fair account of life today?
This is literally on the same level as 5G causing coronavirus type fear mongering
this is where they're getting it from

twitter.com/AlyAlyOutnFree/status/1632137002278694912

originating at some genocidewatch site that is apparently the arbiter of truthiness in heckin genocide
New VERY CLEAR banger from our genocide scholar:
https://twitter.com/AlyAlyOutnFree/status/1633564664855515142

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CW: These bills are meant to SEPARATE. They're intended to 'other' trans people, to financially, socially and mentally make it an impossibility for us to live our lives without being reminded that we'll never be considered 'normal', until we either kill ourselves or are murdered.

There's no peaceful end solution that's been proposed with any of these bills. None.

No alternative options.
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The LGB Alliance doesn’t give a damn about lesbian, gay or bisexual people.

J.K. Rowling couldn’t care less about lesbians, bisexual or gay people.

It’s. About. DIVISION.

They divide us, make us weaker, then destroy all of us.

ALL of us.

But don't worry, we'll win as guaranteed by history:
https://twitter.com/AlyAlyOutnFree/status/1633898496007782408

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« Reply #44054 on: March 10, 2023, 01:22:01 AM »
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There was a hate campaign against Ant-Man, people wanted it to fail
https://www.resetera.com/threads/bob-iger-marvel-brand-not-%E2%80%9Cinherently-off-%E2%80%9D-but-%E2%80%9Cdo-you-need-a-third-or-fourth%E2%80%9D-sequel-for-every-character.695017/post-102430858

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Speaking as someone with zero interest in Ant-Man...

...that still sounds remarkably pathetic.

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« Reply #44055 on: March 10, 2023, 01:40:24 AM »
One of the few threat titles where I read it, paused, and said, "...the fuck?" out loud.

The fuck, Florida?

33,000 votes is how this person ended up in power. Had we gotten out the vote here better, this figure would literally have been a historical footnote.

Your vote fucking matters.
Only slightly off:
General election for Florida State Senate District 4
Clay Yarborough defeated Sharmin Smith in the general election for Florida State Senate District 4 on November 8, 2022.

Candidate   %   Votes
✔   
Clay Yarborough (R)    67.9    146,646
Sharmin Smith (D)    32.1    69,383

Also:
Ron DeHitler and his Nazi party. Hope the worst happens to all these monsters.
haha got em

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« Reply #44056 on: March 10, 2023, 01:42:40 AM »
Linkark07 doesn't even live in USA.

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« Reply #44057 on: March 10, 2023, 01:49:15 AM »

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« Reply #44058 on: March 10, 2023, 02:08:42 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-info-regarding-jill-valentines-appearance-in-resident-evil-death-island.695200/#post-102442312
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The slowed aging thing is bullshit. They just can't seem to give up on sexualizing female characters. Having an older Jill would be badass but nope, gotta pander to the specific male gaze that can't deal with any women over 25.

This is really disappointing from Capcom.

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« Reply #44059 on: March 10, 2023, 02:11:10 AM »
Lara Croft in a wheelchair because she's elderly now! DO IT EMBRACER! :jeb

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« Reply #44060 on: March 10, 2023, 02:30:57 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-info-regarding-jill-valentines-appearance-in-resident-evil-death-island.695200/#post-102442312
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The slowed aging thing is bullshit. They just can't seem to give up on sexualizing female characters. Having an older Jill would be badass but nope, gotta pander to the specific male gaze that can't deal with any women over 25.

This is really disappointing from Capcom.
To be honest, middle aged Jill would probably do it for me.


Model her on Jennifer Anniston and  :whew

Like fine wine...


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« Reply #44061 on: March 10, 2023, 02:54:21 AM »
Lara Croft in a wheelchair because she's elderly now! DO IT EMBRACER! :jeb

Someone link the OG Samus wheelchair post, I can't find it. It had record breaking likes, just gotta gaze at it one more time

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« Reply #44062 on: March 10, 2023, 03:03:49 AM »
I am not qualified enough to have an opinion about the nuance of minor healthcare, especially when it comes to trans issues, but I AM qualified enough to know that criminalizing (or worse, making it possible to remove the child from a parents care) a parent who is providing what they THINK is healthcare based on advise from the child’s healthcare providers is absolutely horrific. However someone feels about the trans healthcare issue, hopefully they understand that removing the child from the parents is NOT the solution.

Not quoting for specifically this point, but picking up on the general conversation;
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« Reply #44063 on: March 10, 2023, 03:22:49 AM »
Honestly, the entire concept of "trans kids" bothers me quite a bit.  An adult wants to transition (even if they've just turned 18 and are still developing), I say live your best life if that's what it takes.  I'll even go further and say if a teenager 14ish and up is deadset, parents give consent, and actual physicians give the okay, then I guess that's fine.  But kids?  Kids don't know what they want.
I argue daily about what outside school activities my pre-teen kids want to do.

On any given day, my daughter may want to give up piano lessons while at the same time think that learning the song from Wednesday is the coolest thing in the universe. They both argue with me constantly about not wanting to go to football training, but then if I say no training, then they get upset with me.

Hell, my son used to eat bananas every fucking day for his school lunch. This year he decided he didn't care for bananas any more.

Kids are fucking stupid and don't know what they want. You don't let them make permanent, life and body-altering decisions at that age.

Kids believe in Santa Claus/Easter bunny, that a fairy comes along and takes the teeth from under your pillow and leaves money, if they’re told they’re trans they’re going to believe it

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« Reply #44065 on: March 10, 2023, 04:00:22 AM »
Seeing ree encouraging each other to "strap up" because the government's coming to take their freedumbs away is hilarious. Do none of them see the gap has closed between them and the Don't tread on me nutters? Virtually one and the same.

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« Reply #44066 on: March 10, 2023, 04:39:31 AM »
twitter.com/stone_toss/status/1633862706758582272
The character in this neo-Nazi comic is a fucking centrist, there should be no rich people. :ufup

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« Reply #44067 on: March 10, 2023, 04:55:00 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102423913
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We're just one step from the reeducation camps that will lead to death camps now.
He ain't slick.

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Situations like this are hard to analyze when you're an empathetic and rational human being I guess.
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Don't think too hard on it. These people are psycopaths. They aren't like us, and we can't rationalize their actions more than that.
:hmm

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« Reply #44068 on: March 10, 2023, 05:02:32 AM »
 :rofl

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« Reply #44069 on: March 10, 2023, 07:57:21 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-2#post-102403972

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It's not that they don't care it's that they want us to commit suicide. They want to make our lives unbearable so that we finish ourselves off and they don't have to go through the trouble of rounding us up and putting us in camps.
You better believe they'll try that last part if the first part doesn't work. And there are PLENTY of people out there that would just willingly pull the trigger for them anyway.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102416821

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It's honestly time to strap up against these mothafuckas.

I ain't even trans, but I have empathy & understanding. If they coming for you, they coming for my Black ass next.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/2600-pages-of-hate-a-collection-of-leaked-emails-from-anti-trans-expert-witnesses-right-wing-lawmakers-and-conservative-legal-groups.694663/page-3#post-102421891

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We won’t start the war, but we will finish it.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/florida-lawmakers-proposed-allowing-trans-kids-to-be-removed-from-supportive-parents.695050/#post-102423913

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We're just one step from the reeducation camps that will lead to death camps now.
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Trans people are (well, have been) well within their rights to arm themselves for war at this point. I don’t know what else to say, they’re fighting genocide.
                   stochastic terrorism?
 :isthis

Almost, but it misses the mark since we know who would be targeted #RIPJoanne

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« Reply #44070 on: March 10, 2023, 08:02:41 AM »
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They want trans people to die out, point blank. But just like the GOP, they're too cowardly to admit it.

All this effort focused on hate instead of improving the livelihood of every citizen. But I'm going to guess these are even more self-proclaimed "Christians" looking to eradicate something that has zero effect on them. Just let people be.


COUNTERPOINT:   If there's an inherent genetic nature to this and you can't pray the trans/gay away strictly environmentally, then ensuring a higher number of trans people go through puberty and actually produce sperm and eggs for sexual reproduction, and can achieve orgasms, would probably increase the number of trans people instead of them 'dying out'.   :ufup

still convinced we are experiencing the mouse utopia experiment but for humans

some deep inherent biological programming that functions based on our own well fed and sheltered bodies, the type of stress we experience, and the hormones we give off toward each other is screaming "just fuck my shit up fam" to the entire human race

biology knows there are too many of us and is trying to remove some of us from the gene pool and sow disfunction to reduce the population
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« Reply #44071 on: March 10, 2023, 08:13:01 AM »
Edit: My current dream scenario would be Mr Beast paying for gender transition surgery for a bunch of transgender people.

a year later: most of them are dissatisfied with the results, some have even been horrifically depressed, and this is mr. beast's fault and an attempt to heckin' genocide them rather than anything inherently flawed with the treatment
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« Reply #44072 on: March 10, 2023, 08:15:28 AM »
Ree should not be allowed to transition. Average, normal trans. Sure, let them get on with it. Ree trans? No. Never. Why? Because the world doesn't need more Karens

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« Reply #44073 on: March 10, 2023, 08:29:11 AM »
I am not qualified enough to have an opinion about the nuance of minor healthcare, especially when it comes to trans issues, but I AM qualified enough to know that criminalizing (or worse, making it possible to remove the child from a parents care) a parent who is providing what they THINK is healthcare based on advise from the child’s healthcare providers is absolutely horrific. However someone feels about the trans healthcare issue, hopefully they understand that removing the child from the parents is NOT the solution.

Not quoting for specifically this point, but picking up on the general conversation;
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What we're really talking about with medical intervention is puberty blockers and hormone treatments, because the amount of surgical intervention being preformed on minors is extremely small. If these bills were targeted at surgical intervention I think it would be a lot easier to sell to a public who is still largely ignorant of the specifics.

To go even further, hormonal intervention -usually- doesn't begin until ages 14-15, starting with puberty blockers and then eventually transitioning to hormone replacement therapy. So, barring the extremes, these medical treatments are not as impactful as surgical intervention. Extended use of puberty blockers has side effects of course, but as a parent you would have to weight those side effects against what you see as the chronic effects of gender dysphoria.

Imagine you are a parent raising a boy who is clearly undergoing some kind of chronic mental anguish. Something long lasting that has not responded to typical psychological intervention. Eventually on the advise of their PCP and therapist you take them to a gender clinic who tells you all about the miracle outcomes provided by puberty blockers and eventual hormone treatment. These are professionals who are covered by your insurance and referred to you by a family doctor. They may work in hospitals with names you recognize, like the Mayo Clinic, and are in fact experts in their fields.

If they recommend puberty blockers for your 14 year old, even as a trial to determine if the treatment will mitigate their psychological symptoms, why would you have a reason to question their expert advice?

If the puberty blockers DO provide relief for your child, how would you be motivated to STOP the medication?

This issue is much more complicated than provocateurs like Matt Walsh present, it's also more complicated than the mentally unwell posters on ResetERA present. There ARE clinicians who are more motivated by greed than treatment. There ARE children who are provided relief by the treatments. We cannot lose sight of the social contract in our ideological battle.

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« Reply #44074 on: March 10, 2023, 08:45:16 AM »
After years of reading neogaf and era, and the bire, I've had some self reflection and realized that what I've learnt is

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« Reply #44075 on: March 10, 2023, 09:10:44 AM »
OBE

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« Reply #44076 on: March 10, 2023, 09:15:37 AM »
I’m starting to think most of those cunts failed school

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« Reply #44077 on: March 10, 2023, 09:18:38 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/a-3-million-year-old-discovery-may-rewrite-the-history-of-intelligent-life-on-earth.695182/#post-102449116

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This is all I can think of reading headlines like this now:
https://twitter.com/lizardmancer/status/1483343154069876740?
sudden egg feels on a friday is not what i ordered ok, please, let me be
OBE

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« Reply #44078 on: March 10, 2023, 10:12:28 AM »
What happened to making kids feel good about themselves no matter what they are born with? Maybe we should just make kids feel loved the way they are.

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« Reply #44079 on: March 10, 2023, 10:14:16 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-store-february-2023%E2%80%99s-top-downloads.695317/

For a moment I wondered where Hogwarts Legacy was. Had it fallen off hard? I guess it could be possible when most of the fans already bought it, but then I caught it, the little cunt just left the #1 spot empty  :lol

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« Reply #44080 on: March 10, 2023, 10:18:46 AM »
I always knew Norway was a fascist hellhole

https://twitter.com/segm_ebm/status/1634032335598555136

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« Reply #44082 on: March 10, 2023, 10:20:24 AM »
What happened to making kids feel good about themselves no matter what they are born with? Maybe we should just make kids feel loved the way they are.

You bigoted monster!

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« Reply #44083 on: March 10, 2023, 10:21:37 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-store-february-2023%E2%80%99s-top-downloads.695317/

For a moment I wondered where Hogwarts Legacy was. Had it fallen off hard? I guess it could be possible when most of the fans already bought it, but then I caught it, the little cunt just left the #1 spot empty  :lol

I’m sure he was happy to do so, but in all fairness, it it were me, I would to in fear of a banning.

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« Reply #44084 on: March 10, 2023, 10:24:58 AM »
I always knew Norway was a fascist hellhole

https://twitter.com/segm_ebm/status/1634032335598555136

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The Norwegian Healthcare Investigation Board noted several worrying trends: the rapid rise of gender dysphoria in adolescents (esp. females), the high burden of mental illness (75%) & a high prevalence of neurocognitive conditions (ADHD/autism, Tourette) in the affected youth.

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NHIB/UKOM notes that the right to medical care does not include the right to experimental treatments. As an experimental intervention, gender transitions will be subject to heightened scrutiny around informed consent, eligibility criteria, and outcomes evaluation./9

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The Board also comments on the highly polarized & unbalanced nature of the discussions surrounding care for gender-dysphoric youth, which stifles scientific debate. The Board calls on all parties to treat each other with professionalism, empathy and respect. /11

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« Reply #44085 on: March 10, 2023, 10:32:59 AM »
What happened to making kids feel good about themselves no matter what they are born with? Maybe we should just make kids feel loved the way they are.

To be fair, the idea that we should be making kids feel loved at all is a pretty recent development sociologically, so your idea is pretty radical all things considered.

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« Reply #44086 on: March 10, 2023, 10:44:30 AM »
Instead of just listing what the top download was for February, they leave it blank. Letting one community have this much of an effect on discussing a wizard game  :lol

https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-store-february-2023’s-top-downloads.695317/

Edit: didnt see this was already posted

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« Reply #44087 on: March 10, 2023, 10:49:55 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/new-info-regarding-jill-valentines-appearance-in-resident-evil-death-island.695200/#post-102442312
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The slowed aging thing is bullshit. They just can't seem to give up on sexualizing female characters. Having an older Jill would be badass but nope, gotta pander to the specific male gaze that can't deal with any women over 25.

This is really disappointing from Capcom.

With all of their creepy threads of shirtless male game characters, none of them any older than 30, this shit is always hilarious.

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« Reply #44088 on: March 10, 2023, 11:03:35 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/playstation-store-february-2023%E2%80%99s-top-downloads.695317/

For a moment I wondered where Hogwarts Legacy was. Had it fallen off hard? I guess it could be possible when most of the fans already bought it, but then I caught it, the little cunt just left the #1 spot empty  :lol

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« Reply #44089 on: March 10, 2023, 11:19:05 AM »
I’m starting to think most of those cunts failed school

And it's not because they skipped school with the cool kids :mike

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« Reply #44090 on: March 10, 2023, 11:23:52 AM »
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The Norwegian Healthcare Investigation Board noted several worrying trends: the rapid rise of gender dysphoria in adolescents (esp. females), the high burden of mental illness (75%) & a high prevalence of neurocognitive conditions (ADHD/autism, Tourette) in the affected youth.


It's interesting to see that Tourette is part of it because during the pandemic there was something going on where teens kind of indoctrinated themselves into thinking they have it

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/13/health/tiktok-tics-gender-tourettes.htm

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Around the time Aidan started to tic, Dr. Pringsheim and Dr. Davide Martino, movement specialists at the University of Calgary, saw a message in an online forum for the American Academy of Neurology.

“My practice has seen an unprecedented increase in young adolescent women with what appears to be acute explosive motor and vocal tics,” wrote a doctor in Kansas City, Mo.

The Canadian neurologists had seen the same thing. Most of these new patients did not fit the mold of a typical case of Tourette’s, which generally affects boys and begins in early childhood. Tourette’s tics tend to be simple movements — like blinking or coughing — and they wax and wane over time. In contrast, the new patients were often rushed to the emergency room with tics that had appeared seemingly overnight. They were relentless, elaborate movements, often accompanied by emotionally charged insults or funny phrases.

The matching accounts from physicians across the world made the neurologists suspect a shared source. They searched on YouTube but found little. Dr. Pringsheim’s teenage daughter suggested that they look at TikTok, an app used by more than two-thirds of American teenagers.

When they searched for the word “tic” and hundreds of videos popped up, Dr. Pringsheim was stunned.

“This is the person that I saw in my clinic today,” she recalled thinking.

The TikTok influencers were saying the same words — like “beans” and “beetroot” — and making the same motions, like thumping their fists on their chests.

Over the next few months, the influx of patients made the pediatric movement disorder clinic’s waiting list swell from three months to a year. “It was an avalanche,” Dr. Pringsheim said.

TikTok videos labeled #Tourettes have been viewed 7.7 billion times.

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In group therapy with other parents, Rhonda and Norm were encouraged to draw their focus away from their teenager’s symptoms.

“It was giving parents permission not to respond,” said Dr. Rachel Hnatowich, a psychiatrist at Alberta Children’s Hospital who helped treat Aidan. Doing so, she said, would help take away the “meaning and power” of the illness.

Initially, many of the teenagers seemed hesitant to let go of their tics, Dr. Hnatowich said. Their behavior had some upsides, often allowing them to get more attention from distracted parents or to avoid the social and academic stresses of school.

The program encouraged the teenagers to slowly re-engage with the real world.

“Doing anything is better than doing nothing,” Dr. Hnatowich said. “Your best interest is to get back to your life and do the things that give you meaning.”

and it specifically affected girls and transgender girls

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An overwhelming number of patients had a history of mental health conditions. Two-thirds were diagnosed with anxiety and one-quarter had depression. One-quarter had autism or attention deficit hyperactivity disorder. Roughly one in five had a prior history of tics.

Eighty-seven percent of the patients were female, a sex skew that was also found in previous outbreaks of mass psychogenic illness. No one knows why girls are more susceptible to this kind of social influence. One theory is that women may seek out belonging more than men do, and may empathize more strongly with others’ suffering. Women also experience higher rates of depression, anxiety and sexual trauma than men.

At a conference on tic disorders last summer in Lausanne, Switzerland, doctors from several countries shared another observation: A surprising percentage of their patients with the TikTok tics identified as transgender or nonbinary. But without hard data in hand, multiple attendees said, the doctors worried about publicly linking transgender identity and mental illness.

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This April, the Calgary group plans to present the first analysis of the gender data at a neurology meeting in Boston. Looking at a sample of 35 patients with the TikTok tics, the researchers found that 15 of the adolescents — 43 percent — were transgender or nonbinary, compared with 12 percent of their patients with Tourette’s or with no tics. (An estimated 1.4 percent of the general population of adolescents in the United States identify as transgender.)

I don't mean to jump to any conclusion because there is a big question of cause and effect here, but my main takeaway was is how severely younger people can be influenced and how it can express itself completely unexpected ways.

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« Reply #44091 on: March 10, 2023, 11:32:48 AM »

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« Reply #44092 on: March 10, 2023, 11:36:49 AM »
You're literally deadnaming me right now

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« Reply #44093 on: March 10, 2023, 11:51:07 AM »
What we're really talking about with medical intervention is puberty blockers and hormone treatments, because the amount of surgical intervention being preformed on minors is extremely small. If these bills were targeted at surgical intervention I think it would be a lot easier to sell to a public who is still largely ignorant of the specifics.

To go even further, hormonal intervention -usually- doesn't begin until ages 14-15, starting with puberty blockers and then eventually transitioning to hormone replacement therapy. So, barring the extremes, these medical treatments are not as impactful as surgical intervention. Extended use of puberty blockers has side effects of course, but as a parent you would have to weight those side effects against what you see as the chronic effects of gender dysphoria.

Imagine you are a parent raising a boy who is clearly undergoing some kind of chronic mental anguish. Something long lasting that has not responded to typical psychological intervention. Eventually on the advise of their PCP and therapist you take them to a gender clinic who tells you all about the miracle outcomes provided by puberty blockers and eventual hormone treatment. These are professionals who are covered by your insurance and referred to you by a family doctor. They may work in hospitals with names you recognize, like the Mayo Clinic, and are in fact experts in their fields.

If they recommend puberty blockers for your 14 year old, even as a trial to determine if the treatment will mitigate their psychological symptoms, why would you have a reason to question their expert advice?

If the puberty blockers DO provide relief for your child, how would you be motivated to STOP the medication?

This issue is much more complicated than provocateurs like Matt Walsh present, it's also more complicated than the mentally unwell posters on ResetERA present. There ARE clinicians who are more motivated by greed than treatment. There ARE children who are provided relief by the treatments. We cannot lose sight of the social contract in our ideological battle.
Assuming the premise that these treatments are abuse (which is the assumption these lawmakers are working from), I think you make a good argument for why removing the kids from the homes is not the right move in the current environment. It's really easy for a loving parent to be duped by a corrupt medical system they trust in. Banning the presumed abusive treatments solves the abuse problem, unlike a situation where the parents aren't loving and are themselves the source of the abuse. I think taking the kids away does nothing in the current environment where the gender medical industry is the source of the abuse.

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« Reply #44094 on: March 10, 2023, 11:53:51 AM »
I don't even think you should ban the treatment.  If you're a parent and you want to take that risk and find a consenting doctor then do it.  But allow that same libertarian view of medical treatment elsewhere: abortion, euthanasia, experimental treatments for depression etc.   It doesn't make sense that the pro-trans group get special consideration.

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« Reply #44095 on: March 10, 2023, 11:57:03 AM »
What we're really talking about with medical intervention is puberty blockers and hormone treatments, because the amount of surgical intervention being preformed on minors is extremely small. If these bills were targeted at surgical intervention I think it would be a lot easier to sell to a public who is still largely ignorant of the specifics.

To go even further, hormonal intervention -usually- doesn't begin until ages 14-15, starting with puberty blockers and then eventually transitioning to hormone replacement therapy. So, barring the extremes, these medical treatments are not as impactful as surgical intervention. Extended use of puberty blockers has side effects of course, but as a parent you would have to weight those side effects against what you see as the chronic effects of gender dysphoria.

Imagine you are a parent raising a boy who is clearly undergoing some kind of chronic mental anguish. Something long lasting that has not responded to typical psychological intervention. Eventually on the advise of their PCP and therapist you take them to a gender clinic who tells you all about the miracle outcomes provided by puberty blockers and eventual hormone treatment. These are professionals who are covered by your insurance and referred to you by a family doctor. They may work in hospitals with names you recognize, like the Mayo Clinic, and are in fact experts in their fields.

If they recommend puberty blockers for your 14 year old, even as a trial to determine if the treatment will mitigate their psychological symptoms, why would you have a reason to question their expert advice?

If the puberty blockers DO provide relief for your child, how would you be motivated to STOP the medication?

This issue is much more complicated than provocateurs like Matt Walsh present, it's also more complicated than the mentally unwell posters on ResetERA present. There ARE clinicians who are more motivated by greed than treatment. There ARE children who are provided relief by the treatments. We cannot lose sight of the social contract in our ideological battle.

I mean, I guess our perspectives on this have an element of cultural bias to them, as you're considering the issue from a "Fox news rent-a-quote scare of the month" angle, and my take is post the widely covered collapse of the Tavistock GIDS clinic where investigative journalism and whistleblowers revealed a fucking appalling lack of professional safe guards regarding the treatment of vulnerable children, prompted in no small part by pro-trans activism.

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« Reply #44096 on: March 10, 2023, 11:58:48 AM »
What we're really talking about with medical intervention is puberty blockers and hormone treatments, because the amount of surgical intervention being preformed on minors is extremely small. If these bills were targeted at surgical intervention I think it would be a lot easier to sell to a public who is still largely ignorant of the specifics.

To go even further, hormonal intervention -usually- doesn't begin until ages 14-15, starting with puberty blockers and then eventually transitioning to hormone replacement therapy. So, barring the extremes, these medical treatments are not as impactful as surgical intervention. Extended use of puberty blockers has side effects of course, but as a parent you would have to weight those side effects against what you see as the chronic effects of gender dysphoria.

Imagine you are a parent raising a boy who is clearly undergoing some kind of chronic mental anguish. Something long lasting that has not responded to typical psychological intervention. Eventually on the advise of their PCP and therapist you take them to a gender clinic who tells you all about the miracle outcomes provided by puberty blockers and eventual hormone treatment. These are professionals who are covered by your insurance and referred to you by a family doctor. They may work in hospitals with names you recognize, like the Mayo Clinic, and are in fact experts in their fields.

If they recommend puberty blockers for your 14 year old, even as a trial to determine if the treatment will mitigate their psychological symptoms, why would you have a reason to question their expert advice?

If the puberty blockers DO provide relief for your child, how would you be motivated to STOP the medication?

This issue is much more complicated than provocateurs like Matt Walsh present, it's also more complicated than the mentally unwell posters on ResetERA present. There ARE clinicians who are more motivated by greed than treatment. There ARE children who are provided relief by the treatments. We cannot lose sight of the social contract in our ideological battle.

I mean, I guess our perspectives on this have an element of cultural bias to them, as you're considering the issue from a "Fox news rent-a-quote scare of the month" angle, and my take is post the widely covered collapse of the Tavistock GIDS clinic where investigative journalism and whistleblowers revealed a fucking appalling lack of professional safe guards regarding the treatment of vulnerable children, prompted in no small part by pro-trans activism.

yeah, but you live on TERF ISLAND and your 'investigative journalism' was by known transphobes the BBC and the scathing governmental review was commissioned by the TORIES.

Pinknews has it right, nobody did anything wrong, they just closed it because it couldnt handle the demand

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« Reply #44097 on: March 10, 2023, 12:00:48 PM »
I don't even think you should ban the treatment.  If you're a parent and you want to take that risk and find a consenting doctor then do it.  But allow that same libertarian view of medical treatment elsewhere: abortion, euthanasia, experimental treatments for depression etc.   It doesn't make sense that the pro-trans group get special consideration.

IF (a very big if) the treatments constitute abuse, then allowing parents to subject their children to it is not a matter of liberty. Doing it to themselves would be a matter of liberty, but not to their kids. The state steps in when parents' decisions are just so bad we can't abide it as a society. Right now, society mostly doesn't see it as abusive, but a lot of people and regions are beginning to.

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« Reply #44098 on: March 10, 2023, 12:02:47 PM »
I don't even think you should ban the treatment.  If you're a parent and you want to take that risk and find a consenting doctor then do it.  But allow that same libertarian view of medical treatment elsewhere: abortion, euthanasia, experimental treatments for depression etc.   It doesn't make sense that the pro-trans group get special consideration.

IF (a very big if) the treatments constitute abuse, then allowing parents to subject their children to it is not a matter of liberty. Doing it to themselves would be a matter of liberty, but not to their kids. The state steps in when parents' decisions are just so bad we can't abide it as a society. Right now, society mostly doesn't see it as abusive, but a lot of people and regions are beginning to.

I think the proposed state intervention of taking kids away because parents genuinely believe they are doing what is medically best is overreach.

Nobodys talking about taking peoples kids away because they feed them hamburgers every meal and they're so fat they can't walk from car to house without wheezing and breaking a sweat.

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« Reply #44099 on: March 10, 2023, 12:04:53 PM »
these are the posts that will prevent from office