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[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

You might have mixed them up with the ones against Alec Holowoka and Alexis Kennedy who commited their acts at roughly the same time.

Interesting to mention these examples which both got roundly "Fuck that guy, I always knew there was something up with that guy" responses on era, and zero follow up on the aftermath (I guess Avellone is just lucky he has more fans to do restorative postings).

Holowoka was driven to suicide, and suddenly a lot of those accusations recanted, and became "Oh, well thats not what I MEANT" back peddling.

Alexis Kennedy Lawyered Up (which obviously means GUILTY, just like Avellone) and just pretty much blogposts receipts every year that from the people that couldnt grab torches and pitchforks fast enough at the initial claims

[Colonel Mustard]

You might have mixed them up with the ones against Alec Holowoka and Alexis Kennedy who commited their acts at roughly the same time.

Interesting to mention these examples which both got roundly "Fuck that guy, I always knew there was something up with that guy" responses on era, and zero follow up on the aftermath (I guess Avellone is just lucky he has more fans to do restorative postings).

Holowoka was driven to suicide, and suddenly a lot of those accusations recanted, and became "Oh, well thats not what I MEANT" back peddling.

Were they recanted? I just assumed they were nonsense because Zoe Quinn is a pathological liar.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/post-103203637

Whilst the police response needs a serious review in Australia overall I’m pretty happy with our we responded on the whole. For the most part Posie left with her tail between her legs and if anything was just seen as a hateful PoS by the wider public.

It has also brought a further discussion around these issues and the rise of nazis and how they’re becoming more bold.

Things could be better but overall I feel the response was good. NZ did 1 better though.

This is just a straight up lie.

Everyone was focused on random Nazis and a stupid former greens politician making an absolute fool of herself. No one discussed trans issues. Not one person is now more sympathetic to their cause. No one thinks Nazis are more bold. The general public just looked at all of these idiots and laughed, then turned back to whatever it was they were doing and got on with their day.

The only people who cared were the Twatter AusPol fuckwits and the Reddit distinguished mentally-challenged fellows.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

Were they recanted? I just assumed they were nonsense because Zoe Quinn is a pathological liar.

Just like the ever-predictable "I always knew there was something up with them" posters, there were also the just as predictable "Yeah, this tracks with stuff I heard" 'insiders' posts too, who did a u-turn.

[Mostima]

Somehow Ree always knows when "somebody isn't right" based off like a 15 second video clip on, or a 2 sentence quote. But somehow they can't see it for Zoe Quinn whose entire career is like 5 different scams that she raised money for and just ran off with the second the funding period was over.

[Pissy F Benny]

they'll have always know about her too. but they're not allowed to say it (yet)

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-rep-claims-hes-done-nothing-wrong-up-accuser-is-majors-girlfriend.701302/page-12#post-103212181

Have we reached the point where major actors need to be vetted FBI style? Christ keep you hands off people. Physically, sexually or whatever.

Nearly all Black entertainers have an FBI file. #cointelpro

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-full-pax-east-2023-panel.701299/page-2#post-103200742

User Banned (Permanent): Dismissing concerns of representation, account in junior phase

I attended the panel in person and I have to say, it was pretty amazing to see the panel live (as well as help some of the people in the general FF XVI thread with relaying new info after the stream died)

The whole "answering burning questions" thing was fun, especially by directly showing off gameplay in response, but I do think it was wrong of them to ignore what was IMO the most important burning question about how diversity is going to be handled in this game. The fact they chose to side-step the issue here while addressing other common complaints (even some lifted from here, which was one of the places that had the most discussion of the actual issue) shows the ignorance the team had in regards to building proper representation.

With that aside though, the game looks very nice, and I have nothing but respect for the team for giving us a great panel to watch live in person!

Not American, never understand this. Does character color make game more fun? Politics should be politics maybe not in games?

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-62#post-103206142

They seem to have a massive double standard on telling women what to say and think.

 

[Boredfrom]

Holy shit, people still bitching about this?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamespot-article-the-assassination-of-daisy-fitzroy-by-the-coward-bioshock-infinite.701569/

Also, RustyNails being the one offended of the concept of “both sides”. 

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-62#post-103206142

They seem to have a massive double standard on telling women what to say and think.

 

As an aside, a small comfort is that the TERF reddit-equivalent gets by far the most traffic on its "Anyone else lost all their friends?" and "I feel angry and lonely all the time" vent threads. These people are miserable 24/7, and roundly rejected by their communities.

This is much like QAnon or Freedom Trucker folks alienated their family and friends, forming a tight knit community amongst themselves, and doubling down on their blood-crazed hysteria.

[Boredfrom]

That's not only stunning, insulting dissonance, but it makes the existence of a character like Daisy into collateral damage, another person of color broken in half, so that an apolitical, generic, faceless white guy can march past her to self-actualization.

Did you miss the part when:

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Is revealed he is the main bad guy (well, and alternate version of himself) and that he sold his daughter or that he ends the game dying by multiple versions of her?

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When someone like Daisy Fitzroy makes a stand,with the knowledge that armed revolution is necessary in the scenario presented by BioShock Infinite, it's somehow a bridge too far to allow her to be the hero of her own story.

But that is kind of the point of BioShock Infinite… there is no real heroes. Everyone ends being a sucmbag or doing something awful and reprehensible. The game was never intended to be a heroic tale, Kevin Levine mentioned in the beginning that one of his main inspirations was this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Baader_Meinhof_Complex

You could argue that was clumsy executed, but the game intentions were always clear. The cowardice of Burial of The Sea was giving that character a meaningless excuse just that people will shut up about what they wanted their dystopian game to because their own bias.

[HaughtyFrank]

Holy shit, people still bitching about this?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamespot-article-the-assassination-of-daisy-fitzroy-by-the-coward-bioshock-infinite.701569/

Also, RustyNails being the one offended of the concept of “both sides”. 

The funny thing which is probably commented on in the article is that it’s fine for booker to kill thousands because of *checks notes* a gambling debt but if you kill people because *checks notes* you’re being oppressed mistreated and killed that’s a bad thing

Killing *checks notes* children is indeed considered worse than killing *checks notes* people who try to kill you on sight .

The discourse surrounding this game was always weird. It's true that it's not written super elegantly but it almost borders on denial for them to think that a socialist revolutionary could not turn into an oppressor themselves

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

lmao at Planetsmasher in that Bioshock thread acting like hes got the inside scoops on Ken Levine because hes such a clued in member of the dev community

[HardcoreRetro]

I'm just annoyed the game wouldn't let me throw the ball at the interracial couple. Don't give me the choice then.

[Propagandhim]

It's not really my story to tell in detail. I can just say that, especially around the time the original incarnation of Irrational died, Levine was EXTREMELY unpopular in the Boston dev scene. There are not a lot of game devs in the greater Boston area outside of Irrational and Harmonix, so when bad news comes out of one, it gets around the community FAST.

More gossipy than a teenage girl

[Boredfrom]

Holy shit, people still bitching about this?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gamespot-article-the-assassination-of-daisy-fitzroy-by-the-coward-bioshock-infinite.701569/

Also, RustyNails being the one offended of the concept of “both sides”. 

The funny thing which is probably commented on in the article is that it’s fine for booker to kill thousands because of *checks notes* a gambling debt but if you kill people because *checks notes* you’re being oppressed mistreated and killed that’s a bad thing

Killing *checks notes* children is indeed considered worse than killing *checks notes* people who try to kill you on sight .

The discourse surrounding this game was always weird. It's true that it's not written super elegantly but it almost borders on denial for them to think that a socialist revolutionary could not turn into an oppressor themselves

And again, they forget that:

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The gambling debts was not portrayed as a good thing given that he SOLD HIS DAUGHTER.

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The game wants you to think that his gambling addiction is just part of his “cool but troubled” persona, not a fatal flaw given by PTSD.

I can agree that Booker was too heroic at times when is clear that it was not intended to be 100%, something that they rectified with the playable characters at Burial at the Sea. But just don’t plan lie or pretend you missed important plot details.

[Propagandhim]

They really have no imagination for a story that might entail a slave that could end up doing the wrong thing by starting a violent militant underground insurgency group to achieve control.  Their brains are too drenched in ideology.  Enslaved black person does bad thing?  Michael Scott no gif

It frames the desperate act of desperate people just as abhorrent as the deep-rooted, ungodly systemic violence and oppression that made them this way. That mostly just makes it kind of a waste of psychological space and time. Bringing up a topic as pervasive as race, but refusing to acknowledge it in its entirety doesn't make it a theme of BioShock Infinite so much as the wallpaper.

Look, Irrational Games couldn't afford Ibram X. Kendi, so Ken had to write the game himself.

[Yulwei]

lmao at Planetsmasher in that Bioshock thread acting like hes got the inside scoops on Ken Levine because hes such a clued in member of the dev community

(Image removed from quote.)

Man who hasn't left his room in years because he's been too busy obsessively shitposting on ree pretending like he's part of any scene

 Someone needs to ask him where he found the time to socialize within the 'Boston dev scene' in between his nearly 100k posts

[Boredfrom]

They really have no imagination for a story that might entail a slave that could end up doing the wrong thing by starting a violent militant underground insurgency group to achieve control.  Their brains are too drenched in ideology.  Enslaved black person does bad thing?  Michael Scott no gif

They have, they just don’t want to hear it or think about it. Like when Shield Hero presented a situation when a victim of a false rape accusation becomes an asshole or forget that Killmonger didn’t give a fuck about Wakanda cultural heritage in Black Panther and was a means to an end.

[BIONIC]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-a-way-of-implementing-tasteful-jiggle-physics-on-female-characters-or-is-it-always-toxic-no-matter-the-context.701608/

[railGUN]

This thread keeps delivering 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-rep-claims-hes-done-nothing-wrong-up-accuser-is-majors-girlfriend.701302/page-13#post-103216594

I don't know what I want more... the "let's wait for all the facts" crowd, or the "believe women" crowd to end up with all the egg on their face.

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-12#post-103179067

I see a lot of people saying that cases like this make it hard to deal with future similar situations.

I disagree. As a third person with no prior first or third hand knowledge dealing with cases like this one and most others is damn easy.

Don’t take sides. Don’t cheer anyone. These are serious issues.

Respect women that come forward. This shit is hard. No questions asked, respect women that come forward.

Afford men the benefit of doubt. Specially if they are not well know, or if there is not much evidence.

There are some cases that are so overwhelming that the only course of action is to take one of the sides. But they are a minority. Most cases are not as clear cut.

As someone that has been on Era and previously on GAF for a long time the way we dealt with cases like this and specially Johnny Depp/Amber Heard case was fucked up on many levels from beginning to end.

Again, don’t take sides. Don’t cheer up nobody. You don’t know the facts, you don’t know these people.

Respect women, allow men the right to defend themselves.

It shouldn’t be hard.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-15#post-103216429

And exactly right. I will lead with this, as someone who has successfully prosecuted sexual assault cases and interviewed victims, nearly all of whom were women, for every dumpster fire of an Era thread -- and I've been in 'em all -- whether it's this one, Johnny Depp, Tara Reade, there's tens of thousands of assaults that don't warrant threads because the people involved aren't famous or the circumstances aren't uncommon. There are countless sexual assaults happening right now, to some celebrities but mostly to regular people, and they're all terrible.

But the way Era does handle threads follows a predictable pattern. The first three pages are filled with support for the alleged victim, which is fine, but also calls for condemnation, boycotting, and basically exhortations to "fuck this guy." You'll have one or two people try to examine the facts as presently known, which is always less than what's known by the organizations formally investigating the thing. Those people will be dogpiled for not believing victims or for not sufficiently condemning the accused. At this point, a mod steps in and locks the thread due to "increase in reports." Eventually it re-opens with a warning to cool off. If and when something progresses to a criminal or civil trial, both camps deploy Twitter hot takes and YouTube links from other commentators. And by the time there's resolution, no matter how something happens, usually half the thread will be banned. And the cycle repeats itself.

The people involved will never read anything you're saying. (OK--maybe Avellone's heard of Era, but I assure you that someone like Johnny Depp hasn't!) So that logically means that everything posted here is purely performative.

Surely we can thread the needle and do exactly what JJD is suggesting. Maybe we can assume better intent from our fellow posters and not immediately equate skepticism with victim-blaming or condemnation of an accused as jumping to conclusions. Provided someone reviews the body of evidence as known and doesn't just rush in with a hot take, either can be an acceptable response.

But yes, like JJD says -- it shouldn't be hard.

[Straight Edge]

Did a quick search on Major's attorney, Priya Chaudhry:


Not sure I would want the notoriety of representing alleged abusers, but I guess money talks?

Yes they should only represent clients not accused of abuse!

[HaughtyFrank]

In case anyone wonders what RE feels like about women who don't mind attractive videogame characters:

Suzi is fucking insufferable. Epitome of a pickme. What a nauseating tweet lmao.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/is-there-a-way-of-implementing-tasteful-jiggle-physics-on-female-characters-or-is-it-always-toxic-no-matter-the-context.701608/post-103218760

 

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the whole "pick me girl" concept is kind of funny to me. All I interpret from it that women still love being bitches to each other

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[Boredfrom]

I want Majors to put a Justin Roiland and be an asshole and creeper while being fake accused.

They shit on DC not only for notorious assholes as Ezra Miller but other for perceived offenses (Zachary Levy and  Gal Gadot), so I wish they need to deal with an asshole celebrity that they can’t just ignore or pretend that is not.

[Boredfrom]

You were supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

This is what they teach 7 year olds. But ya'll are old enough to know that 99.99%+ of sexual harassment and assault acts are never made public, much less brought anywhere near the courts. Largely because at ever step in the process, women face bias and retaliation.

You can't say "We gotta let the process play out.", when you know damn well that virtually no women participate in that process, because the process is biased against them.

If your bar for believing anyone is the fairytale process shit they teach children about heroic cops and crusading prosecutors and wise judges, then effectively zero women will ever be believed. And if that's your position, you should say it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-15#post-103222291

Ayyyy… fuck you asshole. You are fucking clueless prick if you think this shit was a fairytale that suddenly appeared in society.

Fuck off scumbag piece of shit, and let real adults talk about societal problems.

Fucking social media addicts trying to act like morality police.

[Propagandhim]

yall be believing n fairy tales n shit

[Boredfrom]

Fairytales is pretending there is no false rape accusations and women can never lie or manipulate others (like most humans do). Delusional being a fucking outspoken leftist and (presumably) a black poster that somehow things that social media mob justice is a good alternative. IN WHAT FUCKING WORLD ARE YOU LIVING!?

[team filler]

yeah, emmet till was just a fairy tale!

along with all the other people who've been falsely accused, imprisoned, tortured, and killed over a woman lying. 

[Averon]

Everyone throwing out accusations should be banned. I’m sick and tired of people jumping on the bandwagon without waiting for the truth to come out. They never admit they were wrong and then double down on the lie.

People get too wrapped up in making a stand on one side or the other with this stuff. They need to learn to take in the headline and say OK, let's see how it unfolds further...and wait.

But my internet brownie points to make me appear like a better person than I actually am!

All of a sudden, making snap judgements based on a headline should now be a bannable offense? That's been ERA/GAF's bread and butter for the last decade. What changed

[Boredfrom]

I don’t get why as outside observers we always have to remain impartial and “wait.” It’s not like we’re a jury here.

Generally speaking, many people are empathetic enough to understand that false accusations can destroy someone life and mob justice is incredible flawed and can be easily manipulated. And nobody is saying that you can’t cast judgment, but other people also have the right to call you a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, specially if you get it wrong. People generally hate hypocrites that ride their high horse, you commie that promotes genocide deniers.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Uh oh

https://twitter.com/MonaKAbdi/status/1640074363515949062

Why is believing white women so hard?

[Boredfrom]

  Holy shit 

I hope this is true, then Krazen, Mekanos, Pai Pai Master and NinjaScooter got bitchslapped by reality.

[HaughtyFrank]

You were supposed to be innocent until proven guilty.

This is what they teach 7 year olds. But ya'll are old enough to know that 99.99%+ of sexual harassment and assault acts are never made public, much less brought anywhere near the courts. Largely because at ever step in the process, women face bias and retaliation.

You can't say "We gotta let the process play out.", when you know damn well that virtually no women participate in that process, because the process is biased against them.

If your bar for believing anyone is the fairytale process shit they teach children about heroic cops and crusading prosecutors and wise judges, then effectively zero women will ever be believed. And if that's your position, you should say it.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-15#post-103222291

Ayyyy… fuck you asshole. You are fucking clueless prick if you think this shit was a fairytale that suddenly appeared in society.

Fuck off scumbag piece of shit, and let real adults talk about societal problems.

Fucking social media addicts trying to act like morality police.

I'm not sure what the logic is that when 99% of the cases aren't reported that means that the ones that are reported are then unquestionably true.

(Also the real statistic is that 63% of assaults go unreported)

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

It's gonna take super compelling evidence for me not to believe the victim.

 

I wonder why the guy with a Kramer avatar refuses to believe a black guy?

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-up-attorney-asserts-innocence-expects-video-proof-victim-recanting.701302/page-17#post-103227100

[clothedmacuser]

I'm just annoyed the game wouldn't let me throw the ball at the interracial couple. Don't give me the choice then.

Paul F. Thomkins said that he played the game and didn't throw the ball and that was real curious and wanted to see how the game changed if you did decide to throw it.  He was disappointed that nothing else in the game mattered except the couple later doesn't give you ammo or whatever.

I don’t get why as outside observers we always have to remain impartial and “wait.” It’s not like we’re a jury here.

Generally speaking, many people are empathetic enough to understand that false accusations can destroy someone life and mob justice is incredible flawed and can be easily manipulated. And nobody is saying that you can’t cast judgment, but other people also have the right to call you a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow, specially if you get it wrong. People generally hate hypocrites that ride their high horse, you commie that promotes genocide deniers.

   Mob justice is only wrong if they are attacking good people.  If mob justice goes after a bad person it's called sweet, God Sanctioned, justice delivered by angels on earth.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-up-attorney-asserts-innocence-expects-video-proof-victim-recanting.701302/page-18#post-103228771

I don’t get why as outside observers we always have to remain impartial and “wait.” It’s not like we’re a jury here.

Because that's how mob mentality starts, mistakes get made, and innocent people get caught in the crossfire. We don't operate that way.

 

[Uncle]

you don't even have to feel any sort of way about it

you can realize that you live hundreds of miles from the event and will never meet anyone involved and your opinion on the subject doesn't matter to anyone or have any bearing on anything

there are millions of boomers who haven't even heard this news story, or if they did they would say "who?" and their lives are enriched for it

[benjipwns]

It's not really my story to tell in detail. I can just say that, especially around the time the original incarnation of Irrational died, Levine was EXTREMELY unpopular in the Boston dev scene. There are not a lot of game devs in the greater Boston area outside of Irrational and Harmonix, so when bad news comes out of one, it gets around the community FAST.

More gossipy than a teenage girl

Maybe they were upset Ken shut down an entire studio because of personal burnout (2K wasn't going to pay to keep it open versus the new studios on the West Coast if Ken wasn't involved) rather than some secret nefarious thing he's been hiding for 30 years in the industry?

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Should we assume possible conflict of interest since ABC is owned by Disney?

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-up-attorney-asserts-innocence-expects-video-proof-victim-recanting.701302/page-18#post-103229272

[Kevtones]

Crimes happen all the time. Majors is human just like the rest of us. He should keep his part in the MCU but not be allowed to perform any scenes of female strangulation on a go-forward basis.

[benjipwns]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/j-k-rowling-and-her-legacy-of-hate-the-uk-gender-critical-movement.643740/page-62#post-103193374

I have seen exactly 0 TERFs going "hey, maybe attacking an Aboriginal politician is not good optics?", or any kind of second-guessing with that recent "fuck your flag" tweet. To be a terf these days, you have to permanently leave self-doubt at the door. Just permanently blood-crazed

As an aside, a small comfort is that the TERF reddit-equivalent gets by far the most traffic on its "Anyone else lost all their friends?" and "I feel angry and lonely all the time" vent threads. These people are miserable 24/7, and roundly rejected by their communities.

This is much like QAnon or Freedom Trucker folks alienated their family and friends, forming a tight knit community amongst themselves, and doubling down on their blood-crazed hysteria.

Interesting. Tell me more.

[Averon]

Funny how "waiting for facts" and "nuance" are all in vogue now on ERA when a possible career-ending incident involves their favorite MCU actor. I mean, that's great...if they apply this universally going forward. We should wait for the facts in cases like these. But we all know they won't keep that same energy when a case involve someone they don't like or merely not know all that well.

ERA's brief flashes of common sense and nuance only rears its head selectively.

[benjipwns]

Should we assume possible conflict of interest since ABC is owned by Disney?

 

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-up-attorney-asserts-innocence-expects-video-proof-victim-recanting.701302/page-18#post-103229272

Maybe we should assume Bob Iger is orchestrating this whole thing to push out Kevin Feige out of jealously that Feige's worldcrafting is simply too good.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/tmz-jonathan-majors-kang-arrested-in-nyc-for-assaulting-woman-rep-claims-hes-done-nothing-wrong-up-accuser-is-majors-girlfriend.701302/page-12#post-103212181

Have we reached the point where major actors need to be vetted FBI style? Christ keep you hands off people. Physically, sexually or whatever.

Nearly all Black entertainers have an FBI file. #cointelpro

Well, let's just think about it for a second. If you're primarily singing about dealing drugs, killing your drug dealing competitors and boasting about how many crimes you've committed, I'd say it's pretty prudent law enforcement to look into your own criminal claims...

[benjipwns]

Funny how "waiting for facts" and "nuance" are all in vogue now on ERA when a possible career-ending incident involves their favorite MCU actor. I mean, that's great...if they apply this universally going forward. We should wait for the facts in cases like these. But we all know they won't keep that same energy when a case involve someone they don't like or merely not know all that well.

ERA's brief flashes of common sense and nuance only rears its head selectively.

I shouldn't have to remind you people that Gamergate also made truthful accusations against its victims among all the fascist smears, we shouldn't assume that just because this white woman (white women voted for Trump remember) may have said one thing true that she wasn't still out to bring down the entire MCU to assist her fascist allies in achieving genocide. Virtually no black bodies participate in the processes of the legal system or society so Kang will not get a fair trial either legally or in the court of public opinion, this is why we need to make sure to weigh any and all claims by how much the person wants to harm the success of the MCU. We absolutely should not be platforming anything the cops say, anything the centrist media says or anyone whose Twitter follows and likes have not been examined for purity. This is the least that those of us on the right side of history alongside Kevin Feige can do when a potential tragedy that could set back the goals of the people has occurred.

[ShutUp]

Next time a white guy (and the color of Majors skin is the reason they suddenly changed their stance here) is facing similar charges and calls for his death are allowed in the thread made about it, someone needs to link to this Majors thread and simply say “so we suddenly don’t wait for all the facts now? Why is that?”

Or even just drop the link to the Majors thread and leave it at that.

[Polident Hive]

Era really is some fantasy existing in Robert’s mind like St Elsewhere

https://twitter.com/JuiceThousand/status/1640067178148814849

[benjipwns]

All I'm saying is that in these trying times for all of us where the Amazon may literally burn to a crisp because of Gamergate, Jonathan Majors should remember the words of another civil rights hero that the fascists wanted to keep from achieving things for his people: "The bitch set me up."

[benjipwns]

Era really is some fantasy existing in Robert’s mind like St Elsewhere

twitter.com/JuiceThousand/status/1640067178148814849

Poor Bob, I can't imagine what he's going through learning about this at the same time his Blue Check is finally going away.

[Skullfuckers Anonymous]

Next time a white guy (and the color of Majors skin is the reason they suddenly changed their stance here) is facing similar charges and calls for his death are allowed in the thread made about it, someone needs to link to this Majors thread and simply say “so we suddenly don’t wait for all the facts now? Why is that?”

Or even just drop the link to the Majors thread and leave it at that.

 

What someone with an account should be doing is implying that everyone thinking major is guilty is doing so cause he’s black and then sit back and watch them start fighting each other till a mod has to close the thread cause of reports.

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Benji, why do you think of this?

#730
I have been following this case for a long time, and at least regarding the legal proceedings and this settlement agreement I think people have a very misinformed picture of what they communicate. Apologies if this repeats a lot from the first dozen pages, haven't read them as recently.


The case had not been going well for Avellone. He initially sued in California. A few lawyers/legal experts (who follow metoo and related litigation) picked up on Avellone/this case at this time, and incompetent at best or not serious at worse was their judgement (a SLAPP). For instance, Avellone chose to file in an irrelevant state and with a metoo friendly jury pool (in Los Angeles). He did things like claim he was a public figure when he didn't have to (more on that later), and argued that many things that were statements of opinion were defamatory (must be false statements of fact to defame).

That CA case was eventually dismissed because they should've been filed against the defendants in their home states (Oklahoma and a federal court based in Illinois). Notably the Illinois case only asked for $75k in damages (the filing minimum). I believe both cases survived motions to dismiss and proceeded, but had not yet reached the pre-trial discovery phase yet. Discovery was his main stated goal of this whole endeavor ("to get women to speak *more*" - paraphrasing that from Avellone), where the defendants would have to turn over communications only they had access to and vice versa.

It is also important to note that it is very hard to win defamation cases as a plaintiff. The plaintiff must prove the defendants statements were statements of fact, were false, and demonstrably caused harm (in $), and for public figures you much show that the defendant did so knowing it was false. He did not have that level of proof in his filings most felt.

So Avellone had an uphill battle. His complaint was not well considered, it is a hard sort of case to win in the best of times, he already had problems with the initial phase of the case, where he owed one defendant a six figure fee and asked only for a five figure fee from that defendant. If there was smoking gun evidence to be had during discovery, he had yet to find out about it. So he was entering into settlement negotiations with a very weak hand.

Therefore a settlement agreement where he attained a 7 figure sum from the defendants and got a statement out of them where they appeared to own up to a lie makes not a bit of sense. And if you look at the settlement agreement, it does not say who the payment was made to! The the payment could actually be to the defendants/his accusers! The trade would certainly make more sense. The defendants lose face but get a lot of money for it. This also would remove the stress and years involved of litigation in their life. On Avellone's side, a low 7 figure sum might be a cheap price to pay for being able to re-enter the games industry, which (right or wrong) only has a hope of happening with the defendant's support.

Or potentially, the agreement might provide for a 7 figure payment to be provided to any party under certain conditions. Perhaps either party has to pay the other 7 figures if they disparage the other or similar.


As far as other matters with the Settlement agreement, read it carefully and you will see it says very little. The defendants only clarified that they did not and do not accuse him of sexual abuse (their initial statements probably came close to it, but never actually said he was an abuser), and only countered their initial statements to say that they now wish for him to be part of the gaming industry again.

This will probably not be convincing to most who are coming into this believing Avellone has won. But hopefully this will make you a little skeptical of those who claim that without nuance.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-15#post-103229566

[killamajig]

Benji, why do you think of this?

#730
I have been following this case for a long time, and at least regarding the legal proceedings and this settlement agreement I think people have a very misinformed picture of what they communicate. Apologies if this repeats a lot from the first dozen pages, haven't read them as recently.


The case had not been going well for Avellone. He initially sued in California. A few lawyers/legal experts (who follow metoo and related litigation) picked up on Avellone/this case at this time, and incompetent at best or not serious at worse was their judgement (a SLAPP). For instance, Avellone chose to file in an irrelevant state and with a metoo friendly jury pool (in Los Angeles). He did things like claim he was a public figure when he didn't have to (more on that later), and argued that many things that were statements of opinion were defamatory (must be false statements of fact to defame).

That CA case was eventually dismissed because they should've been filed against the defendants in their home states (Oklahoma and a federal court based in Illinois). Notably the Illinois case only asked for $75k in damages (the filing minimum). I believe both cases survived motions to dismiss and proceeded, but had not yet reached the pre-trial discovery phase yet. Discovery was his main stated goal of this whole endeavor ("to get women to speak *more*" - paraphrasing that from Avellone), where the defendants would have to turn over communications only they had access to and vice versa.

It is also important to note that it is very hard to win defamation cases as a plaintiff. The plaintiff must prove the defendants statements were statements of fact, were false, and demonstrably caused harm (in $), and for public figures you much show that the defendant did so knowing it was false. He did not have that level of proof in his filings most felt.

So Avellone had an uphill battle. His complaint was not well considered, it is a hard sort of case to win in the best of times, he already had problems with the initial phase of the case, where he owed one defendant a six figure fee and asked only for a five figure fee from that defendant. If there was smoking gun evidence to be had during discovery, he had yet to find out about it. So he was entering into settlement negotiations with a very weak hand.

Therefore a settlement agreement where he attained a 7 figure sum from the defendants and got a statement out of them where they appeared to own up to a lie makes not a bit of sense. And if you look at the settlement agreement, it does not say who the payment was made to! The the payment could actually be to the defendants/his accusers! The trade would certainly make more sense. The defendants lose face but get a lot of money for it. This also would remove the stress and years involved of litigation in their life. On Avellone's side, a low 7 figure sum might be a cheap price to pay for being able to re-enter the games industry, which (right or wrong) only has a hope of happening with the defendant's support.

Or potentially, the agreement might provide for a 7 figure payment to be provided to any party under certain conditions. Perhaps either party has to pay the other 7 figures if they disparage the other or similar.


As far as other matters with the Settlement agreement, read it carefully and you will see it says very little. The defendants only clarified that they did not and do not accuse him of sexual abuse (their initial statements probably came close to it, but never actually said he was an abuser), and only countered their initial statements to say that they now wish for him to be part of the gaming industry again.

This will probably not be convincing to most who are coming into this believing Avellone has won. But hopefully this will make you a little skeptical of those who claim that without nuance.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-15#post-103229566

Joined July 10th 2022 and that is their first post.
 

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Scrap all current plans for the MCU and give us our X-Men movies already.

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Now I can feel more comfortable to say his cameo in Loki was overacting of the highest order and I had zero time for it.

Also fuck this story. No defending it.

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Don’t blame me, I voted for Kodos.

 

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Everyone throwing out accusations should be banned. I’m sick and tired of people jumping on the bandwagon without waiting for the truth to come out. They never admit they were wrong and then double down on the lie.

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But my internet brownie points to make me appear like a better person than I actually am!

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This.
Mob crew mentality is insane

[Greatness Gone]

Funny how "waiting for facts" and "nuance" are all in vogue now on ERA when a possible career-ending incident involves their favorite MCU actor. I mean, that's great...if they apply this universally going forward. We should wait for the facts in cases like these. But we all know they won't keep that same energy when a case involve someone they don't like or merely not know all that well.

ERA's brief flashes of common sense and nuance only rears its head selectively.

I still shudder thinking about how James Gunn’s years worth of pedophile adjacent tweets were brushed under the rug because he “apologized”. Can you imagine if Zack Snyder posted the same things?

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Therefore a settlement agreement where he attained a 7 figure sum from the defendants and got a statement out of them where they appeared to own up to a lie makes not a bit of sense. And if you look at the settlement agreement, it does not say who the payment was made to! The the payment could actually be to the defendants/his accusers! The trade would certainly make more sense. The defendants lose face but get a lot of money for it. This also would remove the stress and years involved of litigation in their life. On Avellone's side, a low 7 figure sum might be a cheap price to pay for being able to re-enter the games industry, which (right or wrong) only has a hope of happening with the defendant's support.

Okay… I dunno what is Chris Avellone net worth, but I doubt a 7 digit figure is in the low end just to write for video games. And dunno if those girls getting being called names forever is worth 7 million and being potentially blacklisted. That sounds also far fetched.

I dunno about everything else, but sounds like “discovery” was the turning point for him after early missteps.

He did not have that level of proof in his filings most felt.

Who is most?

I’m not a lawyer, so he totally could be right about it, but that reasoning sounds more like cope. Those girls are going to be publicly humiliated for years just to get, supposedly, a 7 figure sum and being out employment in the industry.

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Never mind, is totally cope:

"The settlement agreement provides for a seven-figure payment to Mr. Avellone," Avellone's attorney confirmed to me via email.

 

Is in the fucking Forbes article.

Motherfucker sounded so secure.

“Following the case for years, you guys.”

[benjipwns]

Benji, why do you think of this?

Therefore a settlement agreement where he attained a 7 figure sum from the defendants and got a statement out of them where they appeared to own up to a lie makes not a bit of sense. And if you look at the settlement agreement, it does not say who the payment was made to! The the payment could actually be to the defendants/his accusers! The trade would certainly make more sense. The defendants lose face but get a lot of money for it. This also would remove the stress and years involved of litigation in their life. On Avellone's side, a low 7 figure sum might be a cheap price to pay for being able to re-enter the games industry, which (right or wrong) only has a hope of happening with the defendant's support..

https://www.resetera.com/threads/chris-avellone-is-an-abusive-abrasive-conniving-sexual-predator-up-claims-dismissed-threadmark.231604/page-15#post-103229566

Yes, Chris Avellone took people to court for defamation so he could agree to give them millions to claim they lied about him. This makes complete sense and is what we should assume is what happened.

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https://twitter.com/UPROXX/status/1640003331845242883


Was this fool not already cancelled?