Other Forums Containment Thread

[Uncle]

there are a lot of assumptions and angles that go into all the discussions of cheaper/expensive healthy/junk food

some articles and studies are like "yes but the true cost of junk food is that it makes you hungrier again sooner so you have to eat more to be more full" or "the cost of how it destroys your body and leads to medical intervention means it's not cheaper in the long run" like this is what they mean all along rather than literally comparing prices in the supermarket

but also some people have the misconception that "healthy" means you have to shop at whole foods with jacked up prices for non-GMO gluten-free skimmed extruded enriched neo-protein brand everything, or might look solely at restaurants like McDonald's vs. genuine fresh ingredient places, and that ruins perceptions

minimally processed foods are very cheap, like a giant bag of fresh potatoes and an un-shredded block of cheese, but people don't want to have to take the time to prepare them

I think inherent in the idea of living off of 40 cent Maruchan ramen is that it only requires water and a microwave (if that) and is also at every convenience store within walking distance

[Taco Bell Tower]

Constructive popping off this morning due to a combination of mods giving themselves free passes to be assholes and the ongoing saga of the secret cunt ban. Morrigan kicks it off because a report of hers was ignored:

I did that last week and nothing happened, FWIW

I’m am sometimes disconcerted by the open hostility I see on this site that goes unchecked. Sometimes from staff.

Well, as you well know there is no guarantee that reported posts get actioned or the report even acknowledged. Staff’s assessment of the situation might have differed from your own.

That’s an extremely poor position to take—and folks wonder why frustration is rampant.

This site needs a clear, transparent, and readily available governance model with the appropriate supporting processes and procedures. If a report can be made, everyone should be absolutely clear as to what happens and within what timescales. It’s about setting and managing expectations. Ditto for behaviours, infractions, bans, appeals, banning of topics/other sites, etc.

Every single person who uses this site is a stakeholder. Without users, ad revenues disappear and the site dies. Any decent governance model consults, informs, and manages stakeholder expectations. How long now have folks been asking for visibility relating to the banning of the c-word, yet absolute tumbleweed thus leaving the vast majority none the wiser.

The lack of consistency on Era is remarkable.

The point flies six miles over FliX's head:

Do you expect us to write a public report every time a shitpost gets brought to our attention?

as for the c-word. Is this post not detailed enough?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/constructive-community-discussion.270630/page-177#post-101192806

The post regarding the C word is detailed enough, however it isn't visible enough. This part of the forum isn't exactly super easy to find for some people compared to other areas, it's also not fair posting it in here to users who have been threadbanned from this thread.

I have no issues whatsoever with the banning, it just needs to be posted on gaming/etcetera side as well.

Is that what I said? I’m talking about a published process that states what will happen when a report is raised. Hence managing expectations. Folks should not be left wondering if a report will even be acknowledged.

And as for the c-word, no—a single post in a single thread is not enough. That is not easily discoverable, especially not for new joiners.

Thanks for reinforcing my point though. No attempt at discussion or reflection, just straight on the defensive.

Nah, not for what they mean, they don't mean "clarity as to why the word was banned" but rather "clarity that the word is banned" (hence the "leaving the vast majority none the wiser").

As of current, staff information that the word is banned is found solely in this topic, in basically one post, in a Staff Post that is not Threadmarked or highlighted with a top post on each page or an orange warning at the bottom, or the much worse part, is not listed anywhere else on the forum (forum wide announcement, etc).

This has obvious problems, namely:

1) It's not listed in the Rules thread, even though it's a rule.

2) Most people still don't even know this thread exists

3) Because this isn't a rules thread, you can be banned from seeing this thread, rendering you unable to know this is a rule in the first place. (also I'm not sure if Junior Members can view Memebrs Only topics either?)

Don't take this as me not being for the word being banned or litigating that, I'm all for the c word being banned and have iterated that before and 100% support said ban, but it is simply mind boggling that people can get actioned for breaking a rule that is not in the rules thread and is locked away in a single post of a thread that someone quite literally could be banned from even seeing rendering them from being unable to know it's even a rule in the first place.

Basically, I 100% think it's great the word is banned, but the right thing to do would have been (bare minimum) sitewide forum announcement of rule change, linked to a stickied post OUTSIDE of this thread detailing the reasoning, and a minor clarity update to the rules thread.  (all of this should be SOP for all rule changes) In general, no rules should be exclusively in a thread that people can get threadbanned from seeing. That doesn't make any sense.

This subforum isn’t even in the sidebar. It’s the local planning department in Alpha Centauri.

If the intent was to “soft launch” the C-word rule, it’s understandable. It avoids a huge fight where half the Anglosphere wades in to attack the other half. But (as the post above says) it’s not a good way to do it.

Morrigan resurfaces to clarify that her report was valid and deserved attention but staff should still be able to ignore most pleb reports:

Well, as you well know there is no guarantee that reported posts get actioned or the report even acknowledged. Staff’s assessment of the situation might have differed from your own.

I'm aware, but I'll be honest, I can't see how this would have happened in that case. A mod being snarky to a user is whatever, but a user clapping back in a similarly mild tone getting hit by a hostility ban is not something that should EVER happen (especially since there was no personal attack). I was genuinely shocked, since that was unheard of when I was a mod. If that's not a case of "blatant double standards" I don't know what is.

That’s an extremely poor position to take—and folks wonder why frustration is rampant.

This site needs a clear, transparent, and readily available governance model with the appropriate supporting processes and procedures. If a report can be made, everyone should be absolutely clear as to what happens and within what timescales. It’s about setting and managing expectations. Ditto for behaviours, infractions, bans, appeals, banning of topics/other sites, etc.

lol, no

Every single person who uses this site is a stakeholder. Without users, ad revenues disappear and the site dies. Any decent governance model consults, informs, and manages stakeholder expectations. How long now have folks been asking for visibility relating to the banning of the c-word, yet absolute tumbleweed thus leaving the vast majority none the wiser.

You're right about the communication issue (I still don't know why this has not been communicated to the site at large yet, it's been weeks now...) but otherwise you're being way too dramatic and entitled. It's completely absurd to expect "everyone" to know what happens to every report, every appeal, every ban etc. As a former mod I can only imagine the nightmare that would be. Don't be silly.

I don't think it's realistic to expect an update on every report, but if they are taking weeks to be looked at then I think it would be wise to hire more staff to speed the process up

The communication stuff is def disappointing. I know it's being worked on but there are live rules being enforced that are basically forum Easter eggs. It's a very insular and unwelcoming way to run a forum, and that's not the best strategy when activity does seem down year on year. Ideally you want a clearer and more welcoming environment where you don't have to play forum scavenger hunt to learn all the rules

I also kind of think we'd be in a better place if people were actioned for being hostile. I know hostility is against the rules but there does seem to be an * to that, in that, if you're 'in the right' you can fly off the handle at people (Mods included) which again, isn't really conductive to a good discussion forum, nor does it make threads welcoming to those who may have an interest in the topic

If people are already screaming at each other then I'm probably not going to bother posting in the thread at all. Life is too short to get dragged into another pointless internet back and forth.

It just feels like there are some things that people have been asking for that would 100% make this place better that wouldn't take that much effort to fix, but they just never get addressed and never get fixed.

The ban of the C word was just own goal after own goal in terms of rollout. I don't know why anyone bothered to even write the mod message at all if it was just going to be dumped into a thread most posters don't read and then never mentioned again.

Surely even now it would take less than 5 mins to blast everyone a global notification with the now ancient announcement message. But will this be done? No, and there won't be any reason as to why it won't be done either, so I suppose we just wait for the rules to be updated and as a community try and post ad hoc warnings and DM's to other users who use the C word just in case they're not aware of the rule.

So the fix is for regular posters to backseat mod (which is against the rules) to make sure other posters don't catch a ban for breaking a rule they were never told about, all because a rule was added without being communicated properly, when the way to fix this would be someone on staff spending 5 mins to let everyone know about the rule

Will Morrigan finally get threadbanned for constantly using the thread to relitigate mod actions? Will staff react to the constant feedback on the cunt ban by using that mass-user-notification system they trotted out a couple years back when the Game/Album of the Year threads weren't getting enough attention? Or those banners they constantly use?

Or will nothing happen because people like Lobster Roll are still happy to carry all their water:

This website would need to double or triple its staff if it’s going to introduce P&P and corporate compliance standards with SLAs. The mod staff is made up of volunteer members at the end of the day. There are paths to improve communication, but it also has to exist within the bounds of regular-ass people volunteering their time to moderate.

That Morrigan post

A mod being snarky to a user is whatever, but a user clapping back in a similarly mild tone getting hit by a hostility ban is not something that should EVER happen (especially since there was no personal attack). I was genuinely shocked, since that was unheard of when I was a mod. If that's not a case of "blatant double standards" I don't know what is.

Bitch, please.  Did you forget you encouraged people to dogpile users in good faith?
https://www.resetera.com/threads/media-create-sales-week-36-2021-sep-06-sep-12-read-staff-post.487222/page-48#post-73872136

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/28-of-americans-find-the-depiction-of-nudity-in-paintings-by-classical-artist-to-be-problematic-for-children-to-view.706586/

 

the age split 

the US is slowly becoming more christian and pure 🙏

I think it's more the 44s and not the 18s.

  there's an epidemic of zoomers and tiktokers pointing fingers at each other as deviants and pedos, it's all a consequence of the culture of gaining power/status by diminishing others through any means necessary

There's a really weird zoomer phenomenon going on where they'll happily makes a thousand of "step on me mommy/daddy" tweets about real people but as soon as there's a pairing of fictional characters they don't like or a character gets sexualized they lose their shit.

Like that new show from the Euphoria creator had a news story about shitty working conditions but zoomers where somehow more focused on the part that talked about Lily Depp's character being sexualized

[Boredfrom]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

Going to tell my endocrinologist this, pretty sure he is going to be pretty receptive of it.

[Jansen]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/possible-first-footage-of-the-rumoured-persona-3-remake-the-new-jet-set-radio-teamreal-vs-teamfake.706616/page-12#post-103900427

Android Sophia is already back from "taking a break'

Some comparisons I made last night of the Yukari model, while in my self-imposed exile.


SPOILER: YUKARI'S HAIR

SPOILER: YUKARI'S EYELASHES

There's more, but this is clearly a far more detailed Yukari model than the one in Dancing

What was it, like, two fucking days?

 

[BIONIC]

What is the reason this thread never shows up on the main page, even though it is often the one with the most recent post in this sub-forum?

Likely to stem the tide of non-constructive posts that would make it so this thread is not useful at all. If someone is invested in the community enough, they will know about the thread or know where to look for it.

The cock gobblin’ on display would be impressive if it weren’t so pathetic.

What a ridiculous comment. Are you for real? People who don't live on this site as much as others still deserve full communication of the rules. Jesus Christ.

Then you have this sack of shit who I’m 90% certain was still a mod when this thread was made. She was perfectly fine not making a stink about it back then.

Can you please take it down a notch? I don’t want to report and see you get threadbanned, because I think you do offer valuable perspective. But can you please just tone it down? Constructive, not condescending.

Sure OK, I got pretty incensed there. But you have to admit it's pretty wild to see someone suggest that they don't deserve to even know the rules are (and thereby potentially get actioned for breaking them) simply because they don't spend as much time on the site as some of us do. It's pretty insulting to those users and is blatantly unfair to them. Literally a "prominent member" argument lol

I don't understand the vitriol here, that is super uncalled for. If you wanted to have a conversation that's fine, happy to do so but not like that.

To explain my reasoning a bit further, pulling from my years of experience moderating forums (albeit not this one), what can happen is threads like this can just become spaces where if they are very prominent, they turn into every other post re-litigating bans or just complaining in general. It took a decent amount of convincing/asking for this thread to be a thing in the first place, I would guess due to concerns about that (and it putting mods in a not great mental health space constantly being told how bad they are) and the general lift on the team to have to constantly be addressing things here when every user already has the capability to reach out to the mods if they want to. In order to keep the thread productive and civil, it makes sense to not shout it from the rooftops. I never said anything about full communication of the rules - I don't know anyone that would disagree that that is important. This is not the thread where that should be, there is a separate rules page for that. If there are rules that are not there, and are only here, that's a problem.

Look, I really care about this place, I have always tried to offer my thanks to the staff here for the work they do both publicly and privately and have always tried to be constructive, have offered up ideas, I just want to be able to participate in discussions like these without being made to feel bad is all, if you have some issue with me reach out and we can chat but I would appreciate it if you at least tried to assume I'm not coming from a place of malice or ignorance.

Dude’s on the verge of tears.

[nobody of note]

beaten but jesus christ RedMercury is such a kissass I want to give him a wedgie

[nobody of note]

FliX is either exceptionally bad at this or created in a lab to be exactly the kind of staff Era thinks is a good idea. "Idk why everyone wants things communicated and can't just pick up on the vibes. What good are getting the rules updated I never read them and would never have known if they changed and you were all giant whiny babies about the cunt ban anyway without a rule update."

I don't really understand where the expectation comes from.
Since day one we have not acknowledged every report.
I would have assumed that by now everyone would have caught on to the general process.

Members report posts
I'd say usually within a day or two said report gets acted upon. Sure, that can sometimes take longer depending on the backlog, but rarely more than a week. 🤞🏻
If the report results in a warning/ban, the reporter is typically notified that the member in question has been warned/banned.
If the report is rejected, we generally do not explain ourselves, only in very rare instances would we go back to the reporter and explain why said post was not acted upon.

It is relatively safe to assume if you hear nothing back, we discarded your report for whatever reason.

In an ideal world, maybe it would be nice if we sent a rejection alert every time too, however as of now that really isn't feasible. We'd have to step on egg-shells with every acknowledgement pointing out the minutiae, as to why a certain post doesn't need moderation in our humble opinion. Not to mention, that we take ban/posting  history into account and articulating all that in a concise acknowledgement seems implausible. And we all know that every word would be taken apart and dissected which would just lead to pedantic back and forth.



As for the rules not being updated. Rest assured, that work is ongoing.
If only it was as easy as just adding "hogwarts and c*nt are now banned, peace out!"


To be perfectly honest, personally I don't see the big deal myself. E.g. the c*nt thing was announced here, and within 15 min everyone in footy era, Aussi Era, UK Era, etc. was aware of it and ready to get out their pitchforks and complain about their civil rights been trampled... I know when I was just a humble member, I never read the rules and would have never known about any changes to them either... It really shouldn't be too hard not to get banned. Does this mean that some people might get caught off guard and unexpectedly banned? Sure, and if they submit a sincere report their chances are good that we will be lenient and rescind the ban.  If they come in hot and throw a tantrum, then, maybe they get to enjoy their full length vacation off the site... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

But again, regardless, the rules are being updated by some brave souls on staff as we speak so to say. Yours truly not being one of them.

No explanation on why they can't just add "cunt and Hogwarts is ban" to the rules while Hecht and Nepenthe bang out their magnum opus update.

basically i don't understand *why* it isn't as easy as noting this in the rules thread. you already have a long-ass post explaining why the c-word is banned. literally all you have to do is copy & paste it into a place with the other rules....

I'm just going to take the cowards way out and refer to the last paragraph in my previous post. I'm not the one updating them and am not going to take pot shots at those that are.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-occupation-forces-attacked-tonight-worshipers-in-al-aqsa-mosque-again.705224/page-2#post-103826897

Side note but why is this non public? Seems weird it's not a normal thread and have it be more visible.

Yea, must have been a mistake - thanks for pointing this out.

River to the Sea

https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-term/allegation-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

 

[HaughtyFrank]

Does this mean that some people might get caught off guard and unexpectedly banned? Sure, and if they submit a sincere report their chances are good that we will be lenient and rescind the ban.  If they come in hot and throw a tantrum, then, maybe they get to enjoy their full length vacation off the site... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How can you be so dumb and not realize that banning people for rules that hardly anyone knew is exactly what will get them all mad. The mods keep crying how everyone is mean to them and then they keep doing the most petty, power tripping shit.

[Potato]

Resident Evil 4 but the ree mods and their cult have captured Ana Taylor Joy, locked her up in Tabris appartment and are forcing her to transition.

Nooooooooo!

That's horrible!

You can't torture people like that!

You're a monster!

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Anything but being locked up in Tabris's soulless apartment! Anything!

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[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/28-of-americans-find-the-depiction-of-nudity-in-paintings-by-classical-artist-to-be-problematic-for-children-to-view.706586/

 

Was going to like this, then I realised I'm horrified by it.

[Averon]

B-Dumbs in the Community thread:

To be clear though, the recent stuff isn't the only 'hidden' rules right? The fact that there is no clear list of who and what are banned sources has been an ongoing source of needless confusion since day 1.

Allow me to try and summarize the sort of tickets we got in the aftermath of announcing our banning of the Harry Potter game:

    random bigotry
    naked pictures of trans people
    targeted bigotry
    generic hateful messages
    random transphobia
    pictures of dead animals
    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

The 7 and 8 had me reaching out to MOBA about contacting the FBI if it kept up. Luckily it flamed out immediately afterwards.

The fact is, and I know we've said this before, creating a standardized list of banned personalities opens staff up to harassment from their fanbases and the wider internet. Beyond that, some members of staff are either public with their real life identities or have been doxxed by sites like Kiwifarms or other hate groups. When I was a mod I had asked why we didn't have a formalized list and this was the response I got, now I saw up close that the reasoning had a real point. I hope you can understand that I refuse to put the staff at risk to satiate your curiosity.

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

So no, we will not be making a list of banned sources/content. I hope you can understand the reasoning, but if not then oh well.

Basically, they won't make a banned list of sources because something something harassment and Kiwi Farms. Also because "bad actors" will point out their double standards.

[NekoFever]

In an ideal world, maybe it would be nice if we sent a rejection alert every time too, however as of now that really isn't feasible. We'd have to step on egg-shells with every acknowledgement pointing out the minutiae, as to why a certain post doesn't need moderation in our humble opinion.

“We’d have to go on the record for why we don’t ban protected users when they break the rules and it gets reported.”

[HaughtyFrank]

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

 

[Hap Shaughnessy]

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

[Potato]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

Calories:cost is not a very good way to quantify it. You can get the same caloric intake from the same quantity of non processed foods, but it would not be very appetising.

A simple meal of beans, rice and potatoes would give you a better, more filling meal and wouldn't cost that much more per serve.

Eating the chips is not going to sustain you or keep you full for long. So you're likely to have to eat more of them sooner.

[nobody of note]

B-Dumbs in the Community thread:

To be clear though, the recent stuff isn't the only 'hidden' rules right? The fact that there is no clear list of who and what are banned sources has been an ongoing source of needless confusion since day 1.

Allow me to try and summarize the sort of tickets we got in the aftermath of announcing our banning of the Harry Potter game:

    random bigotry
    naked pictures of trans people
    targeted bigotry
    generic hateful messages
    random transphobia
    pictures of dead animals
    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

The 7 and 8 had me reaching out to MOBA about contacting the FBI if it kept up. Luckily it flamed out immediately afterwards.

The fact is, and I know we've said this before, creating a standardized list of banned personalities opens staff up to harassment from their fanbases and the wider internet. Beyond that, some members of staff are either public with their real life identities or have been doxxed by sites like Kiwifarms or other hate groups. When I was a mod I had asked why we didn't have a formalized list and this was the response I got, now I saw up close that the reasoning had a real point. I hope you can understand that I refuse to put the staff at risk to satiate your curiosity.

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

So no, we will not be making a list of banned sources/content. I hope you can understand the reasoning, but if not then oh well.

Basically, they won't make a banned list of sources because something something harassment and Kiwi Farms. Also because "bad actors" will point out their double standards.

I appreciate that half the reason he contacted MOBA about going to the FBI was 'probably other stuff I can't remember'.  Also curious how banning HP but not putting it on a list is going to prevent that shit, but hey. He's gotta protect his staff.  Even if the stated reason makes no sense and won't actually protect anyone.

Back half of that post has a great line, too (re: not responding to unactioned reports):

The problem is that when there is a disagreement it can escalate and turn into a gigantic shitshow. At that point we either need to give in and ban the person despite us deciding that they haven't actually broken any rules (which would essentially just create mob rule) or ban the reporter who escalated into the gigantic shitshow and anyone else who refuses to let it go (which would create an even bigger shitshow). It's a situation where there is no winning, only losing for everyone involved. That's why we don't send out rejection alerts. They will never go over well, trust me on that because a few of us tried it a few years back and it lasted all of 20 minutes before it started going sideways.

Thank god ResetEra doesn't feel like moderation decisions are based largely on unruly mobs calling for blood.

<insert Kyuuji post about nothing but HP getting banned because other groups aren't as persistently demanding of it>

[Averon]

In an ideal world, maybe it would be nice if we sent a rejection alert every time too, however as of now that really isn't feasible. We'd have to step on egg-shells with every acknowledgement pointing out the minutiae, as to why a certain post doesn't need moderation in our humble opinion.

“We’d have to go on the record for why we don’t ban protected users when they break the rules and it gets reported.”

Pretty much just straight up confirms certain posters get special treatment

[BIONIC]

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

How can he even tell that they’re trans?

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[jorma]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-occupation-forces-attacked-tonight-worshipers-in-al-aqsa-mosque-again.705224/page-2#post-103826897

Side note but why is this non public? Seems weird it's not a normal thread and have it be more visible.

Yea, must have been a mistake - thanks for pointing this out.

River to the Sea

https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-term/allegation-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

 

it's not hard to see where the trans twitter mob got their "it's totally genocide!" inspiration from 

also a whole lot of projection from the israelis "Surely this has to mean that they want to do to us what we are currently doing to them!"

[Uncle]

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

How can he even tell that they’re trans?

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it's transphobic as fuck that he even pointed it out, for a trans person to have it publicly stated that they are trans is to imply they aren't really the gender they identify as, there is nothing more triggering for dysphoria

just say pictures of women, because trans women are women

[Uncle]

B-Dumbs in the Community thread:

To be clear though, the recent stuff isn't the only 'hidden' rules right? The fact that there is no clear list of who and what are banned sources has been an ongoing source of needless confusion since day 1.

Allow me to try and summarize the sort of tickets we got in the aftermath of announcing our banning of the Harry Potter game:

    random bigotry
    naked pictures of trans people
    targeted bigotry
    generic hateful messages
    random transphobia
    pictures of dead animals
    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

The 7 and 8 had me reaching out to MOBA about contacting the FBI if it kept up. Luckily it flamed out immediately afterwards.

The fact is, and I know we've said this before, creating a standardized list of banned personalities opens staff up to harassment from their fanbases and the wider internet. Beyond that, some members of staff are either public with their real life identities or have been doxxed by sites like Kiwifarms or other hate groups. When I was a mod I had asked why we didn't have a formalized list and this was the response I got, now I saw up close that the reasoning had a real point. I hope you can understand that I refuse to put the staff at risk to satiate your curiosity.

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

So no, we will not be making a list of banned sources/content. I hope you can understand the reasoning, but if not then oh well.

Basically, they won't make a banned list of sources because something something harassment and Kiwi Farms. Also because "bad actors" will point out their double standards.

this is just incomprehensible


we have rules, which are actual rules that we enforce

almost everyone knows they are the rules even though they were posted quietly in a random thread

this includes evil websites that hate us, they know about these rules too

by NOT explicitly and openly adding them to our list of rules, we make sure that us poor mods get less abuse

we have a double standard, and it's present in both the regular rules and the secret rules, but as long as the rules remain nominally secret we don't get called out for that double standard as much as we might've otherwise, or something

 

how the fuck does any of this work

by that logic wouldn't it be much better to remove the official list of rules too, then nobody will ever abuse your poor mods again, because nobody will know what the rules are so they can't call you out 

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/israeli-occupation-forces-attacked-tonight-worshipers-in-al-aqsa-mosque-again.705224/page-2#post-103826897

Side note but why is this non public? Seems weird it's not a normal thread and have it be more visible.

Yea, must have been a mistake - thanks for pointing this out.

River to the Sea

https://www.adl.org/resources/glossary-term/allegation-river-sea-palestine-will-be-free
https://www.ajc.org/translatehate/From-the-River-to-the-Sea

 

Isn't IsisNails like Pakistani or Indonesian or something?

[NegativeCrepe]

beaten but jesus christ RedMercury is such a kissass I want to give him a wedgie

[NegativeCrepe]

Back half of that post has a great line, too (re: not responding to unactioned reports):

The problem is that when there is a disagreement it can escalate and turn into a gigantic shitshow. At that point we either need to give in and ban the person despite us deciding that they haven't actually broken any rules (which would essentially just create mob rule) or ban the reporter who escalated into the gigantic shitshow and anyone else who refuses to let it go (which would create an even bigger shitshow).

when you have a hammer everything looks like a nail

the answer is always to ban ban ban thats the only thing they can think of to do for everything cant even imagine not banning people

[Nintex]

B-Dubs: So about this trolley problem, we should shoot the guy operating the lever and everyone on the track. Otherwise it all turns into a shit show.

[NekoFever]

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

 

They can’t list banned things because there are too many of them and making a list would allow “bad actors” to… know what things are banned and call them out when it’s selectively enforced depending on the users level of mod protection?

At least they’re coming close to admitting it now.

[Propagandhim]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

Going to tell my endocrinologist this, pretty sure he is going to be pretty receptive of it.

No idea what this means

[Uncle]

that's some endoCRINGE bro

[benjipwns]

I can only roll my eyes at the display of B-Dumbs' indignation. 

B-Dumbs have only himself to blame for why the forum HE MANAGES has such shit levels of genuine discussion. He and his team of mods helped develop the culture there over the years. Maybe instead of being TransERA's attack-dogs and banning any little thing that upset their sensibilities, you could work to foster the kind of forum you apparently want. But that would actually take effort and holding some level of responsibility, which he and his mod team hates. There's a reason why they so often create phantom rules they never inform the wider community about.

Evilore did the same thing, btw. Occasionally rear his head to bitch and moan why GAF is shit, but did nothing to change it. It eventually blew up in his face as we all know. Funny seeing B-Dumbs making the exact same mistake.

I don't know how he doesn't understand that anyone who would have reacted the same way he just did would have been banned a long time ago. If you keep banning people who are reasonable and keep the lunatics around you'll surprisingly have a forum full of loony assholes

Yes, but now the forum's members are a proper cross-section of... something.

[benjipwns]

This site needs a clear, transparent, and readily available governance model with the appropriate supporting processes and procedures. If a report can be made, everyone should be absolutely clear as to what happens and within what timescales. It’s about setting and managing expectations. Ditto for behaviours, infractions, bans, appeals, banning of topics/other sites, etc.

lol, no

What a ridiculous comment. Are you for real? People who don't live on this site as much as others still deserve full communication of the rules. Jesus Christ.

Sure OK, I got pretty incensed there. But you have to admit it's pretty wild to see someone suggest that they don't deserve to even know the rules are (and thereby potentially get actioned for breaking them) simply because they don't spend as much time on the site as some of us do. It's pretty insulting to those users and is blatantly unfair to them. Literally a "prominent member" argument lol

I know when I was just a humble member, I never read the rules and would have never known about any changes to them either... It really shouldn't be too hard not to get banned. Does this mean that some people might get caught off guard and unexpectedly banned? Sure, and if they submit a sincere report their chances are good that we will be lenient and rescind the ban.  If they come in hot and throw a tantrum, then, maybe they get to enjoy their full length vacation off the site... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

To be clear though, the recent stuff isn't the only 'hidden' rules right? The fact that there is no clear list of who and what are banned sources has been an ongoing source of needless confusion since day 1.

When I was a mod I had asked why we didn't have a formalized list and this was the response I got, now I saw up close that the reasoning had a real point. I hope you can understand that I refuse to put the staff at risk to satiate your curiosity.

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

So no, we will not be making a list of banned sources/content. I hope you can understand the reasoning, but if not then oh well.

    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

The 7 and 8 had me reaching out to MOBA about contacting the FBI if it kept up.

Does Nepenthe know you reached out to your capitalist Swedish paymasters to call the cops for a "veiled threat" aka not a federal crime regarding your forum where members promote federal and other crimes including organizing paying for them which led you to hide a thread?

[TacoWallace]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

Calories:cost is not a very good way to quantify it. You can get the same caloric intake from the same quantity of non processed foods, but it would not be very appetising.

A simple meal of beans, rice and potatoes would give you a better, more filling meal and wouldn't cost that much more per serve.

Eating the chips is not going to sustain you or keep you full for long. So you're likely to have to eat more of them sooner.

They're absolutely buying a half dozen bags of junk weekly instead of ingredients for 2 or 3 days worth of decent meals.

Flash BACK to a year AGO

https://www.resetera.com/threads/have-you-noticed-shrinkflation.566662/#post-84265936

I ABSOLUTELY notice individual bags of chips and snacks getting emptier and emptier despite costing more. Doritos are SUPER blatant with this.

[joeboy101]

B-Dumbs in the Community thread:

To be clear though, the recent stuff isn't the only 'hidden' rules right? The fact that there is no clear list of who and what are banned sources has been an ongoing source of needless confusion since day 1.

Allow me to try and summarize the sort of tickets we got in the aftermath of announcing our banning of the Harry Potter game:

    random bigotry
    naked pictures of trans people
    targeted bigotry
    generic hateful messages
    random transphobia
    pictures of dead animals
    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

The 7 and 8 had me reaching out to MOBA about contacting the FBI if it kept up. Luckily it flamed out immediately afterwards.

The fact is, and I know we've said this before, creating a standardized list of banned personalities opens staff up to harassment from their fanbases and the wider internet. Beyond that, some members of staff are either public with their real life identities or have been doxxed by sites like Kiwifarms or other hate groups. When I was a mod I had asked why we didn't have a formalized list and this was the response I got, now I saw up close that the reasoning had a real point. I hope you can understand that I refuse to put the staff at risk to satiate your curiosity.

Beyond that, it is literally impossible for us to compile a list that covers everything and there are 1000% bad faith actors on the site itself who will use the existence of a formal list against us in the form of "how come you didn't ban x person when you banned y person?"

So no, we will not be making a list of banned sources/content. I hope you can understand the reasoning, but if not then oh well.

Basically, they won't make a banned list of sources because something something harassment and Kiwi Farms. Also because "bad actors" will point out their double standards.

Love how B-Dubs is directly contradicting Flix's bullshit about 'top people' working on the rules update.

[benjipwns]

Does this mean that some people might get caught off guard and unexpectedly banned? Sure, and if they submit a sincere report their chances are good that we will be lenient and rescind the ban.  If they come in hot and throw a tantrum, then, maybe they get to enjoy their full length vacation off the site... ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

How can you be so dumb and not realize that banning people for rules that hardly anyone knew is exactly what will get them all mad. The mods keep crying how everyone is mean to them and then they keep doing the most petty, power tripping shit.

                      tone policing the oppressed and victim blaming?
 

[Taco Bell Tower]

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

If I'm not mistaken I think he admitted in the past he masturbates to trans porn.

[Uncle]

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

If I'm not mistaken I think he admitted in the past he masturbates to trans porn.

he meant regular vanilla porn, because trans women are women

which is worse, because it's not diverse like if he was looking up BBWs

[BIONIC]

I only masturbate to disabled BBW Muslim trans women of color myself

[HaughtyFrank]

And that's a wrap for Powdered Egg

Not about Anya in particular, but I dislike the implication that some latinos aren't "latino enough" going on here.

The Latin Americans of European descent are just white people who happen to speak Spanish. White hispanic isn't diversity.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/john-leguizamo-says-hell-no-to-watching-super-mario-bros-movie-they-messed-up-the-inclusion-of-diverse-actors.706442/post-103869956

User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory dismissive commentary

[Snoopycat_]

Allow me to try and summarize the sort of tickets we got in the aftermath of announcing our banning of the Harry Potter game:

    random bigotry
    naked pictures of trans people
    targeted bigotry
    generic hateful messages
    random transphobia
    pictures of dead animals
    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

Sounds like Morrigan has been busy

[remy]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

This only works if you think the most important aspect of food is calorie count. $2 of beans and rice will get you a lot further than a bag of chips.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

It's impossible to make a proper list because you have keep reading back in the list to see if your doubling up on past rules or contradicting them.

Or they just get off on banning people

[remy]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

This only works if you think the most important aspect of food is calorie count. $2 of beans and rice will get you a lot further than a bag of chips.

i realise potatoe already said this now

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

If I'm not mistaken I think he admitted in the past he masturbates to trans porn.

he meant regular vanilla porn, because trans women are women

which is worse, because it's not diverse like if he was looking up BBWs

i for one am doing my part for diversity by keeping my plumperpass membership

[Boredfrom]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

Going to tell my endocrinologist this, pretty sure he is going to be pretty receptive of it.

No idea what this means

I have diabetes and I have to be careful with what I eat. Processed junk food is big no - no for me. Your example is pretty laughable.

(I wish I still could eat junk food without any worry )

[Greatness Gone]

Or they just get off on banning people

It’s this. It was always this.

[Taco Bell Tower]

And that's a wrap for Powdered Egg

Not about Anya in particular, but I dislike the implication that some latinos aren't "latino enough" going on here.

The Latin Americans of European descent are just white people who happen to speak Spanish. White hispanic isn't diversity.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/john-leguizamo-says-hell-no-to-watching-super-mario-bros-movie-they-messed-up-the-inclusion-of-diverse-actors.706442/post-103869956

User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory dismissive commentary

[Potato]

Allow me to try and summarize the sort of tickets we got in the aftermath of announcing our banning of the Harry Potter game:

    random bigotry
    naked pictures of trans people
    targeted bigotry
    generic hateful messages
    random transphobia
    pictures of dead animals
    a veiled threat of physical violence
    And more I'm probably forgetting

Sounds like Morrigan has been busy

Most of those are just album covers...

[Potato]

Junk food is cheaper.  Doesn't mean you just throw up your hands and say, "Well, I'm not wealthy. I have to eat like shit, I guess!"  or "I can't afford a gym.  No way I can figure out how to exercise now!"  They really think poor people, unskilled laborers, or people down on their luck, have no volitional will or executive functioning at all, so they can't be responsible for their well-being (or anything, really).

Junk food isn’t cheaper, what the fuck are you talking about?

A bag of 4000 calorie potato chips is like $2.  Where do you get 4000 calories of protein or complex carb whole foods with a lot of essential micronutrients for cheaper than that?  What are YOU talking about?

This only works if you think the most important aspect of food is calorie count. $2 of beans and rice will get you a lot further than a bag of chips.

i realise potatoe already said this now

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

If I'm not mistaken I think he admitted in the past he masturbates to trans porn.

he meant regular vanilla porn, because trans women are women

which is worse, because it's not diverse like if he was looking up BBWs

i for one am doing my part for diversity by keeping my plumperpass membership

Stop culturally appropriating my posts. Please share the plumper pass login details as compensation.

[benjipwns]

Is B-Dubs admitting that naked trans people are something he finds unpleasant to see?

If I'm not mistaken I think he admitted in the past he masturbates to trans porn.

he meant regular vanilla porn, because trans women are women

which is worse, because it's not diverse like if he was looking up BBWs

I only masturbate to disabled BBW Muslim trans women of color myself

This is exactly the kind of genocidal boys club rhetoric that CDPR promoted when they fetishized and objectified women then said they were beasts which is a well known slur of Joanne's.

CIS 👏 STOP 👏 SEXUALIZING 👏 WOMEN 👏 WHO 👏 IT 👏 IS 👏 TRANSPHOBIC 👏 NOT 👏 TO 👏 HAVE 👏 SEX 👏 WITH 👏 JUST 👏 BECAUSE 👏 THEY 👏 ARE 👏 TRANS 👏

[Superstar]

And that's a wrap for Powdered Egg

Not about Anya in particular, but I dislike the implication that some latinos aren't "latino enough" going on here.

The Latin Americans of European descent are just white people who happen to speak Spanish. White hispanic isn't diversity.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/john-leguizamo-says-hell-no-to-watching-super-mario-bros-movie-they-messed-up-the-inclusion-of-diverse-actors.706442/post-103869956

User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory dismissive commentary

I'm surprised that's not something era agrees with but I also don't care either way.

[benjipwns]

What's great about that ban message is you can see they clearly don't have a framework in their ideology to explain why it's wrong so they had to go for the ol "inflammatory dismissive commentary" without even a history of history for a perm when normally that's like a two week ban or something.

[benjipwns]

Not that Powdered Egg has anything to complain about, what's important here is that the inconsistency protects the safety of the staff in some unspecified way that would put the staff at risk if it were explained.

[Potato]

And that's a wrap for Powdered Egg

Not about Anya in particular, but I dislike the implication that some latinos aren't "latino enough" going on here.

The Latin Americans of European descent are just white people who happen to speak Spanish. White hispanic isn't diversity.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/john-leguizamo-says-hell-no-to-watching-super-mario-bros-movie-they-messed-up-the-inclusion-of-diverse-actors.706442/post-103869956

User Banned (Permanent): Inflammatory dismissive commentary

I'm surprised that's not something era agrees with but I also don't care either way.

Clearly the only Latino representation on the mod armada is white euros.

[Uncle]

what was powdered egg's history, remind me again

[Boredfrom]

what was powdered egg's history, remind me again

BCT like opinions but he is a black Latino so he tends to be way more socialist friendly than regular BCT.

Weird that he is getting banned for an opinion that regular RE seem to share more often than not, but he probably pissed off a mod.

[BIONIC]

This is really vile and I had no idea it was that bad. I'm sorry the mod team had to go through that.

I can't imagine what could happen if HP gets a full ip ban.

Hold on to your butts.

Wow, I can’t believe that the brave moderators and admxns are willing to sit through another avalanche of naked trans women pictures.

Now I don’t use the word hero lightly, but…

[Greatness Gone]

If they weren’t cowards, they’d do a JK Rowling and all associated media ban instead of just a Harry Potter blanket ban.

[Potato]

100 likes to the first person who posts a Robert Galbraith OT

[TacoWallace]

If they weren’t cowards, they’d do a JK Rowling and all associated media ban instead of just a Harry Potter blanket ban.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/your-platinum-1000-gamerscore-100-steam-achievement-collections.2011/page-12#post-103914119
https://www.resetera.com/threads/your-platinum-1000-gamerscore-100-steam-achievement-collections.2011/page-12#post-103917866

Today, 2 people outed themselves as not just playing the game, but repeating the first quarter of the story 3 additional times to get all trophies.

The first one even linked their personal tweet: "Any Harry Potter fan should play Hogwarts Legacy. Awesome experience!! 9/10"

That's dedication to genocide in plain sight if I ever saw such a thing.

[Boredfrom]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ada-wongs-new-va-gets-thousands-of-hate-comments-disables-instagram-comments.704180/page-11#post-103922273

That's cool they switched to an asian VA for her. Took me a little bit to get used to the change, but this kind of reaction is abhorrent as always. Hope she gets her own game.

This stupid idiots… she is BS you, the real reason is that Capcom didn’t want to pay union actors… Capcom couldn’t give two shits about representation you stupid cunts .

I'm bummed there's dipshits in the comments saying stuff like "well you didn't do a good job with Ada, but I hope you're doing well", seriously fuck off with that.

No asshole, no. If she still sucks as an actress,  she still sucks.  Stop pretending she is perfect because she got harassed ( ) by randoms.


———-

That is Instagram post is such fucking bullshit. Makes me dislike the actress:

“We totally need less sexualized Asian female fatal… that’s why accepted the role of Ada Wong… a character that is virtually unchanged female fatale except for crappy voice acting. Ada Wong is a bastion of morality given how willing is to steal bio weapons and sell it to Wesker until she got the feels”.

And RE eat the shit uncritically every single fucking time.