Other Forums Containment Thread

[HaughtyFrank]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

[PogiJones]

They're holding members accountable for rules that an admin has to "unearth." They're unironically emulating The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. Never seen such incompetence in my life.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

Holy shit.

I can't believe they do all that shit for free.

[Propagandhim]

It's just funny that the lunacy of such harsh policing of conversation on a discussion forum has reached this level where you are supposed to partition a discussion on AI by industry.  Oh, an article on how AI will facilitate accurate diagnosis of kidney disease..this is proper for Resetera - I can post this.  Oh, an article on how AI will facilitate monotonous animation tasks...no, no.  This simply cannot be seen.   It just keeps getting more absurd.


Nepenthe really thinks this forum is her personal instrument of activism and when she isn't in a coddled state of comfort and amenity, she has to police everyone down.  She doesn't hate cops, she wants to be the biggest cop of them all.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

One bad apple...

[joeboy101]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

Obfuscation was the purpose. You can tell she’s pissed with this ‘personal project’ but forced to do it regardless.

Funny thing it doesn’t matter. They’ve ignored the Rules of Conduct for years now. Does anyone actually think they are going to suddenly be held to task for the new rules if they already obliterated the old rules?

They skated on it before, and the skating will continue.

[nobody of note]

The HP ban got a little discussin in constructive and it's funny to watch them seemingly confirm they wanted the ban not because the topic itself is abhorrent, but because people who wanted to talk about it would just post around them and not let them constantly recenter the discussion on themselves. I don't particularly directly care about the ban itself, it's just weird to watch people admit it's largely because their preferred world was being able to constantly derail threads and if they couldn't do that, nobody should be able to talk about it.

Where does this example fall?
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.resetera.com/threads/these-balenciaga-a-i-videos-are-addicting.708992/[/URL]
First response of the thread and many responses throughout are about the banned IP, but it’s about a series of parody videos. OP themself doesn’t mention the IP as an example covered by the video series, but everybody else does pretty loosely.

IMHO, an IP ban in terms of banning OT/hype threads for books, movies, TV shows, games, etc. makes sense. Such projects put money directly into JKR's pockets to support toxic causes. Ditto for comments that recommend or praise them. But banning any mention of HP in any context feels like an overreaction. The IP itself isn't the real problem, funding Rowling's transphobia is. And referring to the existence of a problematic IP isn't the same as endorsing or financially supporting it.

There is a huge ethical dimension to banning the discussion of an entire franchise for tens of thousands of members and precluding them from that topic outright in order to make the board tentatively more inclusive to a select group, though.

You could argue for that offset to be just, but it's not like any member was asked if they actually even want to ban an entire topic. And we don't even know if that decision even has the intended effect. Why is it not enough to have people use the ignore function? Have one HP thread that people can ignore. That's what it's there for.

To me, this is a paternalistic decision that decreases the quality and level of maturity of discussion here and continues a worrisome trend.

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us, and instead would rather dodge around us at every opportunity to hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

There was never a high level of maturity of discussion when it comes to HP or other JKR shit to begin with. Trans & non-binary people‘s posts were so often met with utter ignorance, dismissal & at times outright transphobia by cis members. I cannot think of a single thread involving HP that wasn‘t after a while filled with cis people hyping up the IP, talking about how much they can‘t wait for the JKR-backed show or be annoying with their „well you can‘t ignore HP, just look at how much the game sold!!“ right inbetween trans, non-binary & supportive members talking about the transphobia & how fucked up it is to still see people hype someone in favor of a transphobic genocide up.

No offense, but we‘re all fucking aware of how much the game has sold & just how little society cares about trans & non-binary people, because we have to keep ourselves updated in regards to new policies etc. all the time. Doesn‘t change that people hyping up an IP (which is what always fucking happens when people want to do the exact opposite) of someone who sees all support of her IP as a support of her transphobia makes trans & non-binary people on Era feel fucking uncomfortable & not welcome. People have talked about why HP & JKR don‘t deserve shit on Era beyond the great thread about JKR‘s & friends’ transphobia for weeks, if not months at this point. The intended effect of, you know, trans & non-binary people feeling more welcome & supported has absolutely occured, it‘s just shit on by people who still wanna try to complain about a ban of a topic they never seemingly much cared for before the ban.

Please just at least try to have some empathy for those that feel more comfortable & supported by these choices & accept that there‘s tons of different places where people can go if they wanna talk about how much they love HP with likeminded people. If you had also spent some time looking through threads involving JKR & HP - or hell, even just this thread - you would‘ve seen how many people have wanted a full ban on the IP for months. Very much cis people too. There‘s always been some who go the „but you can‘t ignore the success!!!“ or whataboutism route, but most people who‘ve been in those topics all this time & know how disgusting they can get have been supportive of the ban.

I think when that smaller group is actively trying to be exterminated by the franchise's creator, they have the ethical high ground here not to have to see shit relating to it.

Meanwhile, in the JK sux thread, that video ban is probably being walked back because they didn't realize the video had stuff in it people wanted to discuss and were just trying to head off people focusing on bashing Contrapoints:

We decided to bar discussion of Wynn's video because, simply put, the discussion usually becomes about her. Historically that's what happens, we said she's controversial for a damn good reason. Then there's the fact that people really like posting her ridiculously long videos without summarizing them or having substantial commentary of their own. (Which is a much bigger problem in general but I digress.) There's literally no way for staff to instantly know if a video of hers is worthwhile and so we erred on the side of caution given the subject matter. We just didn't want this thread getting derailed by her and her history. Especially given the subject matter. This is isn't official but y'all may be able to discuss the content of the video later, the discussion just can't be centered on her. The decision was never about protecting her from criticism or anything of that sort. Mind you, I don't personally like her.

TL;DR: the actual contents of the video will probably be allowed to be discussed later. Please be patient as necessary staff come to an agreement when possible.

which kind of reads like they banned it to not have to deal with excel

[Propagandhim]

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

 

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class

 

I think when that smaller group is actively trying to be exterminated by the franchise's creator....

 

[Pissy F Benny]

The HP ban got a little discussin in constructive and it's funny to watch them seemingly confirm they wanted the ban not because the topic itself is abhorrent, but because people who wanted to talk about it would just post around them and not let them constantly recenter the discussion on themselves. I don't particularly directly care about the ban itself, it's just weird to watch people admit it's largely because their preferred world was being able to constantly derail threads and if they couldn't do that, nobody should be able to talk about it.

Where does this example fall?
[URL unfurl="true"]https://www.resetera.com/threads/these-balenciaga-a-i-videos-are-addicting.708992/[/URL]
First response of the thread and many responses throughout are about the banned IP, but it’s about a series of parody videos. OP themself doesn’t mention the IP as an example covered by the video series, but everybody else does pretty loosely.

IMHO, an IP ban in terms of banning OT/hype threads for books, movies, TV shows, games, etc. makes sense. Such projects put money directly into JKR's pockets to support toxic causes. Ditto for comments that recommend or praise them. But banning any mention of HP in any context feels like an overreaction. The IP itself isn't the real problem, funding Rowling's transphobia is. And referring to the existence of a problematic IP isn't the same as endorsing or financially supporting it.

There is a huge ethical dimension to banning the discussion of an entire franchise for tens of thousands of members and precluding them from that topic outright in order to make the board tentatively more inclusive to a select group, though.

You could argue for that offset to be just, but it's not like any member was asked if they actually even want to ban an entire topic. And we don't even know if that decision even has the intended effect. Why is it not enough to have people use the ignore function? Have one HP thread that people can ignore. That's what it's there for.

To me, this is a paternalistic decision that decreases the quality and level of maturity of discussion here and continues a worrisome trend.

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

People don't deserve to get to mindlessly enjoy the works of someone that's pushing for the genocide of an entire minority class, who is using her works to fund her hatred. She has even acknowledged and bragged that it's why she's able to maintain the position that she's in.

If you want to talk about ethics, then let's talk. About how it feels to watch as people can't even try to do the bare minimum to care about us, and instead would rather dodge around us at every opportunity to hype up a series by someone spearheading a hate campaign that is LITERALLY citing Hitler.

There was never a high level of maturity of discussion when it comes to HP or other JKR shit to begin with. Trans & non-binary people‘s posts were so often met with utter ignorance, dismissal & at times outright transphobia by cis members. I cannot think of a single thread involving HP that wasn‘t after a while filled with cis people hyping up the IP, talking about how much they can‘t wait for the JKR-backed show or be annoying with their „well you can‘t ignore HP, just look at how much the game sold!!“ right inbetween trans, non-binary & supportive members talking about the transphobia & how fucked up it is to still see people hype someone in favor of a transphobic genocide up.

No offense, but we‘re all fucking aware of how much the game has sold & just how little society cares about trans & non-binary people, because we have to keep ourselves updated in regards to new policies etc. all the time. Doesn‘t change that people hyping up an IP (which is what always fucking happens when people want to do the exact opposite) of someone who sees all support of her IP as a support of her transphobia makes trans & non-binary people on Era feel fucking uncomfortable & not welcome. People have talked about why HP & JKR don‘t deserve shit on Era beyond the great thread about JKR‘s & friends’ transphobia for weeks, if not months at this point. The intended effect of, you know, trans & non-binary people feeling more welcome & supported has absolutely occured, it‘s just shit on by people who still wanna try to complain about a ban of a topic they never seemingly much cared for before the ban.

Please just at least try to have some empathy for those that feel more comfortable & supported by these choices & accept that there‘s tons of different places where people can go if they wanna talk about how much they love HP with likeminded people. If you had also spent some time looking through threads involving JKR & HP - or hell, even just this thread - you would‘ve seen how many people have wanted a full ban on the IP for months. Very much cis people too. There‘s always been some who go the „but you can‘t ignore the success!!!“ or whataboutism route, but most people who‘ve been in those topics all this time & know how disgusting they can get have been supportive of the ban.

I think when that smaller group is actively trying to be exterminated by the franchise's creator, they have the ethical high ground here not to have to see shit relating to it.

Meanwhile, in the JK sux thread, that video ban is probably being walked back because they didn't realize the video had stuff in it people wanted to discuss and were just trying to head off people focusing on bashing Contrapoints:

We decided to bar discussion of Wynn's video because, simply put, the discussion usually becomes about her. Historically that's what happens, we said she's controversial for a damn good reason. Then there's the fact that people really like posting her ridiculously long videos without summarizing them or having substantial commentary of their own. (Which is a much bigger problem in general but I digress.) There's literally no way for staff to instantly know if a video of hers is worthwhile and so we erred on the side of caution given the subject matter. We just didn't want this thread getting derailed by her and her history. Especially given the subject matter. This is isn't official but y'all may be able to discuss the content of the video later, the discussion just can't be centered on her. The decision was never about protecting her from criticism or anything of that sort. Mind you, I don't personally like her.

TL;DR: the actual contents of the video will probably be allowed to be discussed later. Please be patient as necessary staff come to an agreement when possible.

which kind of reads like they banned it to not have to deal with excel

Does excel get involved in the rowling shit usually? or is the fear of luring her into their thread with contrapoints hate even too strong for them

[maninthemirror]

Boy for a forum which says it is for freedom of expression without hate. It is so full of restrictions with fueled by hate . Horseshoe theory is real

[Jansen]

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

What can I do to speed this process up?

[Straight Edge]

I thought automation of work through AI was a necessary step towards the fully automated luxury gay space communism they all yearned for?

[HardcoreRetro]

It's what I'm waiting for. Can't wait to embrace the Wall-E future where robots do the work and I can just eat myself to death in a flying chair.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

Obfuscation was the purpose. You can tell she’s pissed with this ‘personal project’ but forced to do it regardless.

Funny thing it doesn’t matter. They’ve ignored the Rules of Conduct for years now. Does anyone actually think they are going to suddenly be held to task for the new rules if they already obliterated the old rules?

They skated on it before, and the skating will continue.

Images from the future at ERA Mod HQ trying to track down reasons from their master list

[Propagandhim]

I thought automation of work through AI was a necessary step towards the fully automated luxury gay space communism they all yearned for?

The criticism is that the tools and production of AI is privatized and controlled by billionaires, which is not a good argument:  The nature of AI requires the tools be open enough to be useful to the needs of the average worker/user.  That's where the value comes from.  If it's controlled by billionaires, and that control means it's closed for the benefit of those billionaires, then it isn't useful AI and a competitor will just open the blackbox even further.  There's also insecurity that governments will favor the owners of the AI over the worker, which is inane because if AI is apocalyptic as they're claiming for the individual worker, then it would wreak havoc on the general economy of a country.   AI has the ability to even the score for people with few resources and little free time to labor over high-skilled projects.   Someone like Nepenthe, who was born in the lap of luxury in a first world country and did nothing with it, and has all the time in the world, is upset that some poor person in Indonesia who has to spend all his time with a scythe in a rice field can now compete on even heel or improve his/her life and local economy by learning how to build an app, use CAD software, or build a UI with computer-generated art, or whatever because of the easier accessibility.  Capitalism has destroyed our community by taking our Fortnite dances, now they want poor people to produce things that only I should be able to produce?  Absolute hellscape.

[D3RANG3D]

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[HaughtyFrank]

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

Let me look that up again

"Expropriation, forced displacement, ghettos, concentration camps".

Ah yes, that's literally not happening.

And yet isn't it amazing that you'd get banned for saying that there aren't any camps or ghettos?

[Uncle]

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

Let me look that up again

"Expropriation, forced displacement, ghettos, concentration camps".

Ah yes, that's literally not happening.

And yet isn't it amazing that you'd get banned for saying that there aren't any camps or ghettos?

trans people are being forced to leave their homes because their parents disown them, it becomes an unsafe environment and they are forced to leave

the tenacious unicorn ranch is one such ghetto where trans people are forced to live to escape daily threats on their lives

[Propagandhim]

19 minutes in.  Yes this group is aligned against the side of opening AI up.  There are a lot of questions in regards to fully open AI that would be served by discussion, not completely shutting your eyes and banning the topic.  Anyway, around the 19 minute mark, they're claiming AI can reconstruct propositional attitudes and mental images from MRI.  I don't know how true these claims are (it seems unrealistic, to be honest), but the point is - there is a discussion here about the huge ethical implications from decoding the "humanness" of people and reconstructing it.  Think DNA editing to determine what genes are involved with intelligence, and editing superintelligence in people etc.  Is this topic banned from Resetera like art or is it open?  What a dumb thing to even have to think about.

[Taco Bell Tower]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

This reminded me that one time they banned a poster for a post after some user freakin necroed a thread they found the post to be problematic.

[Boredfrom]

The entire world is talking and debating, everyone racing to handle and digest the most transformative technology since the internet, and they can't even talk about it.
 
It's like if Boredfrom were an amin

 

[Nintex]

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

Let me look that up again

"Expropriation, forced displacement, ghettos, concentration camps".

Ah yes, that's literally not happening.

And yet isn't it amazing that you'd get banned for saying that there aren't any camps or ghettos?

Well look at the bright side, DeSantis is going to built the Trans Prison next to Disney Land.

[headwalk]

i fear AI is just the next stage in humanity losing its sense of unique purpose. in pantheistic days every action we took could piss off one god or another, who were essentially elevated humanforms doing the same shit we are but on the astral plane, with many of the same hopes, dreams and vices. then monotheism comes in and over time it becomes a far more one way dictatorial relationship. there's no arguing or appeasing this killjoy take on god, there's just following his word here on earth and maybe we'll recieve some sort of favour or muse. we respond to this essentially by becoming our own gods through science and art. we calculate our own reality and make great works that reflect the human condition, our faustian struggle to create and discover. our previous outward reaching spirituality metamorphosised into an internalised sense that our human creativity channels a deeper etheral appreciation of existance itself, one which is lived every day through the bonds we form, the art we create and the discoveries we make.

AI, for better or worse, will largely dispel that illusion and will expose humanity to the underwhelming fact that we're all just programmed algorithmic flesh puppets, processing data and spitting it out as something new. a million iterations of our greatest and most human masterpieces can be instantly churned out on a mongolian child's hand-me-down craptablet and you can have of the conversations you have on here just by prompting a string about some glibtarded boomer offshoot of a mid 2000s videogame forum . it's the final death of god.

i hope you enjoyed this carepost and none of it comes true.

[Taco Bell Tower]

Careposting?  Not under Pogi's watch!

[BIONIC]

i fear AI is just the next stage in humanity losing its sense of unique purpose. in pantheistic days every action we took could piss off one god or another, who were essentially elevated humanforms doing the same shit we are but on the astral plane, with many of the same hopes, dreams and vices. then monotheism comes in and over time it becomes a far more one way dictatorial relationship. there's no arguing or appeasing this killjoy take on god, there's just following his word here on earth and maybe we'll recieve some sort of favour or muse. we respond to this essentially by becoming our own gods through science and art. we calculate our own reality and make great works that reflect the human condition, our faustian struggle to create and discover. our previous outward reaching spirituality metamorphosised into an internalised sense that our human creativity channels a deeper etheral appreciation of existance itself, one which is lived every day through the bonds we form, the art we create and the discoveries we make.

AI, for better or worse, will largely dispel that illusion and will expose humanity to the underwhelming fact that we're all just programmed algorithmic flesh puppets, processing data and spitting it out as something new. a million iterations of our greatest and most human masterpieces can be instantly churned out on a mongolian child's hand-me-down craptablet and you can have of the conversations you have on here just by prompting a string about some glibtarded boomer offshoot of a mid 2000s videogame forum . it's the final death of god.

i hope you enjoyed this carepost and none of it comes true.

This carepost was generated by AI.

[headwalk]

This carepost was generated by AI.

[+waste of time, +schizo doommongering, -proper grammatical structure]

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

A 20 year old women died and most of the thread is about gotchas over other members of an unrelated thread. Fucking sad.¹

As pointed out, Right wing fear and hate culture is reaponsible for a lot of this. They are being told every day somebody is out to kill them.²

Rest in peace.

• wheredoyouthinkweare.gif
• Yes, that's exclusive to the right wing. You would never see such sentiments on resetterradotcomellellsee.

[Taco Bell Tower]

A 20 year old women died and most of the thread is about gotchas over other members of an unrelated thread. Fucking sad.¹

As pointed out, Right wing fear and hate culture is reaponsible for a lot of this. They are being told every day somebody is out to kill them.²

Rest in peace.

• wheredoyouthinkweare.gif
• Yes, that's exclusive to the right wing. You would never see such sentiments on resetterradotcomellellsee.

Cenauru

We're on the 8th step of genocide right now.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/april-16-2023-mass-shooting-at-dadeville-alabama-at-teenage-birthday-party-4-killed-28-injured.709274/page-2#post-104265584

User Banned (1 Month): Racism

So the conference was basically nothing. Apparently they didn't even use the words "shooter" or give an official number of victims or injuries or anything. I'm not even seeing this be reported anymore so I feel like they're just sweeping it under the rug or something.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1647618287981805569

It's most likely gang related then.

The unfortunate truth is that poster is probably right. The media and general public don't care about gang violence as long as there are no White innocent victims.

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

Let's ask chat gpt:

what step of genocide regarding trans people  are we right now?

It is not appropriate to apply the concept of "steps of genocide" to a particular group, such as trans people. Genocide is a complex and serious matter that involves the intentional destruction of a specific group, in whole or in part, based on their identity. It is important to recognize and address any violence or discrimination faced by trans people, but it is not accurate or responsible to suggest that they are currently undergoing a genocide.

A.I chuds strike again.

[Propagandhim]

i fear AI is just the next stage in humanity losing its sense of unique purpose. in pantheistic days every action we took could piss off one god or another, who were essentially elevated humanforms doing the same shit we are but on the astral plane, with many of the same hopes, dreams and vices. then monotheism comes in and over time it becomes a far more one way dictatorial relationship. there's no arguing or appeasing this killjoy take on god, there's just following his word here on earth and maybe we'll recieve some sort of favour or muse. we respond to this essentially by becoming our own gods through science and art. we calculate our own reality and make great works that reflect the human condition, our faustian struggle to create and discover. our previous outward reaching spirituality metamorphosised into an internalised sense that our human creativity channels a deeper etheral appreciation of existance itself, one which is lived every day through the bonds we form, the art we create and the discoveries we make.

AI, for better or worse, will largely dispel that illusion and will expose humanity to the underwhelming fact that we're all just programmed algorithmic flesh puppets, processing data and spitting it out as something new. a million iterations of our greatest and most human masterpieces can be instantly churned out on a mongolian child's hand-me-down craptablet and you can have of the conversations you have on here just by prompting a string about some glibtarded boomer offshoot of a mid 2000s videogame forum . it's the final death of god.

i hope you enjoyed this carepost and none of it comes true.

I think every generation believes they've just encountered the threshhold of a human spiritual breakthrough that will obliterate the concept of meaning for the species.  The ancient stoics trying to figure out what 'the good life' is, the Enlightenment thinkers, the German and French existentialists trying to understand freedom and meaning without god, the 20th century fascists tying purpose to identity, etc.   And then humanity seems to drift into amusement, distraction, trade, stewardship, craft, innovation, and art again.   Maybe it will be different this time, and AI will displace a central kind of humanness that we can't get back, but I'm not so sure.

[HaughtyFrank]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/april-16-2023-mass-shooting-at-dadeville-alabama-at-teenage-birthday-party-4-killed-28-injured.709274/page-2#post-104265584

User Banned (1 Month): Racism

So the conference was basically nothing. Apparently they didn't even use the words "shooter" or give an official number of victims or injuries or anything. I'm not even seeing this be reported anymore so I feel like they're just sweeping it under the rug or something.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1647618287981805569

It's most likely gang related then.

The unfortunate truth is that poster is probably right. The media and general public don't care about gang violence as long as there are no White innocent victims.

Really strange ban. Apparently the claim that it gets swept under the rug because the victims are black is okay to say, even though there have been very prominent mass shootings in the past with black victims that received a lot of media attention. Meanwhile try to name a gang shooting that received that level of media attention

[Snoopycat_]

Things bout to get spicy in this David Cho thread -

Yuck, makes me feel even more weird about watching all Beef. The other thing being that the longest speaking black roles in the show came from a prisoner and butler. I just got weird subtle anti-blackness from the show, which is a shame since it was great.

My wife said, “This show has fewer black people than Friends.”

What is this? Why do people keep trying to put Asian and Black people against each other? It's like if Asians complained Insecure or Atlanta didn't have enough Asian people. It's a story made by Asians, deeply about the Asian American experience, with primarily Asian roles. We should celebrate that along with other POC led shows, not complain that they didn't include enough of other POC

Nep Nep comment?


https://www.resetera.com/threads/2014-video-surfaces-of-david-choe-star-of-netflixs-beef-admitting-to-sexually-assaulting-a-masseuse-choe-tries-to-scrub-video-from-internet.709658/page-2

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-wins-court-battle-against-site-used-to-pirate-its-games.709679/#post-104291579

User Banned (3 Days): Metacommentary / accusation of bootlicking

Man you hate to see it. Not looking forward to all the brand loyalists cheering this on either.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-wins-court-battle-against-site-used-to-pirate-its-games.709679/#post-104291828

Why do we hate to see this? They didn't go after anything legal. And it sounds like they asked first and were ignored.

For one I just hate to see a corp winning, but for another Nintendo specifically is always on such a crusade over this and it just reinforces my perspective that they are devoted to capital over all else

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-wins-court-battle-against-site-used-to-pirate-its-games.709679/page-2#post-104311466

Yeah, because unless you cheer on piracy, you're a BOOT LICKER, amirite?

Yeah you’re right this is exactly what I said bravo

If you think this isn’t the end goal I’ve got a link to a privately hosted digital bridge to send you.

This is my problem with the way people, especially the Nintendo audience, choose to engage with this kind of thing. Like yeah it’s one site for now, but all of it is working towards unilateral dominion over all their digital “property”.

Everyone is saying they don’t understand why we’re so negative on the topic, but from my perspective I don’t understand why they’re all convinced it’s a good thing.

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-general-discussion-predictions-thread.287810/page-506#post-104330735

User Banned (1 Week): Misogynistic Slur

I don't think Dion will be "bad", but I do believe he'll have skeletons in his closet. Any of these scenarios is filled with potential, regardless.

And I bet that Benedikta will join eventually:
(Image removed from quote.)
As for Hugo, I hope he's not disposed of quickly. Beyond having a killer design, he seems to be an interesting guy and not a walking stereotype: brutish and a bit of a cunt, sure, but also a scheming man who somewhat cares about the Dhalmekians (or the country's money/status lol).

We know there's some bad blood between him and Clive by the time the latter returns to a Sanbreque-owned Rosaria that Dhalmekia is invading. I wonder if this is before or after the Titan fight (probably before).

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ban-nintendo-discussion-topics-on-era-due-to-morally-wrong-litigious-activity-yes-or-no.709967/

Nintentoddler trying to ban threads trashing Nintendo.

Gotta protect the billion dollar corporation. Not very preogressive.
 

Already locked. 

User banned (1 week): inflammatory thread creation

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

welp, state owned alt-right fash propagandists the BBC are deliberately targetting era minorities with their carefully selected news reports again.

TOO HOT FOR ERA

Sony World Photography Award 2023: Winner refuses award after revealing AI creation

AI-generated Drake and The Weeknd song goes viral

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[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/NESbot_feed/status/1648207730031620096

[Hap Shaughnessy]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/kansas-city-mo-protests-after-ralph-yarl-a-16-year-old-black-teenager-was-shot-twice-by-white-homeowner-after-ringing-doorbell-at-wrong-address.709508/page-6#post-104324990

User Banned (1 Week)/Permanent Threadban: Cross thread drama, trolling in a sensitive thread

https://www.resetera.com/threads/if-a-thief-breaks-into-your-home-is-it-wrong-to-shoot-them.705914/

...

 

[Uncle]

i fear AI is just the next stage in humanity losing its sense of unique purpose. in pantheistic days every action we took could piss off one god or another, who were essentially elevated humanforms doing the same shit we are but on the astral plane, with many of the same hopes, dreams and vices. then monotheism comes in and over time it becomes a far more one way dictatorial relationship. there's no arguing or appeasing this killjoy take on god, there's just following his word here on earth and maybe we'll recieve some sort of favour or muse. we respond to this essentially by becoming our own gods through science and art. we calculate our own reality and make great works that reflect the human condition, our faustian struggle to create and discover. our previous outward reaching spirituality metamorphosised into an internalised sense that our human creativity channels a deeper etheral appreciation of existance itself, one which is lived every day through the bonds we form, the art we create and the discoveries we make.

AI, for better or worse, will largely dispel that illusion and will expose humanity to the underwhelming fact that we're all just programmed algorithmic flesh puppets, processing data and spitting it out as something new. a million iterations of our greatest and most human masterpieces can be instantly churned out on a mongolian child's hand-me-down craptablet and you can have of the conversations you have on here just by prompting a string about some glibtarded boomer offshoot of a mid 2000s videogame forum . it's the final death of god.

i hope you enjoyed this carepost and none of it comes true.

I think every generation believes they've just encountered the threshhold of a human spiritual breakthrough that will obliterate the concept of meaning for the species.  The ancient stoics trying to figure out what 'the good life' is, the Enlightenment thinkers, the German and French existentialists trying to understand freedom and meaning without god, the 20th century fascists tying purpose to identity, etc.   And then humanity seems to drift into amusement, distraction, trade, stewardship, craft, innovation, and art again.   Maybe it will be different this time, and AI will displace a central kind of humanness that we can't get back, but I'm not so sure.

AI is remixing existing human creations

for a while it will shake things up, but to what extent can it create something totally new and particularly palatable to humans? not talking about us prompting it, but the AI going "hey I thought you humans might like this, apropos of nothing"

like a popular style to ask AI to use for you is the artist zdzislaw brzezinski, if he had never existed would AI have at some point come up with his style on its own?

for now anyway, it exists to serve us and anything truly creative or new it tries will have to meet with our approval, and plenty of what it does is horrifying or nonsense to us, it often takes many tries to even get something derivative that's acceptable, much less something new

[ldcommando (notthegafone)]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ban-nintendo-discussion-topics-on-era-due-to-morally-wrong-litigious-activity-yes-or-no.709967/

Nintentoddler trying to ban threads trashing Nintendo.

Gotta protect the billion dollar corporation. Not very preogressive.
 

Already locked. 

User banned (1 week): inflammatory thread creation

An actual descent ban for resetera, I'm impressed.

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/2014-video-surfaces-of-david-choe-star-of-netflixs-beef-admitting-to-sexually-assaulting-a-masseuse-choe-tries-to-scrub-video-from-internet.709658/page-2

Apparently he claims it's fiction, if true there is no victim so he can't be prosecuted for rape, but he's still a disgusting rapey psychopath

Weird thought crime take for a Satanist

[D3RANG3D]

https://i.imgur.com/f4Icu8Q.mp4

[Averon]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/gsd-european-sales-march-2023-ps5-1-nsw-2-xbs-3-re4-1-fifa23-3.710012/

Keeping the #2 rank blank
The lengths they're going to keep HL out of sight and out of mind is something else. Literally burying heads in the sand.

[Taco Bell Tower]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/final-fantasy-xvi-state-of-play-announced-for-april-13-20-minutes-gameplay.707510/page-39#post-104164919
Planetsmasher

User threadbanned: Hostility

Do me a favor and don't put words in my fucking mouth, alright? Guess what - FF13 has no side content either and it's a terrible game. Maybe it would've been less shit if there was literally anything to do other than endless combat.

[nobody of note]

AI ban causing back and forth in constructive, with Nepenthe obviously defending her side. This exchange was kind of interesting:

Good thing not all AI is being confined to a single topic. Just content generation algorithms. If you are especially excited about an AI advancement in, I don't know, ichthyology, then no one is going to stop you from making a thread about it.

I still think it's heavy handed. What about games like AI Dungeon or AI Roguelite which utilize generation algorithms at their core but still have passionate human creators behind them? I feel bad for the devs who's games are essentially blacklisted from Era now. They're not the ones using AI for unethical purposes or trying to replace humans. They're just making cool little experiences.

This is the presumptuousness that artists have complained about to me and it is why you are now confined to an OT.

It wasn't my intent for this to sound presumptuous. I'm not the kind of person to downplay the fears people have when it comes to AI. I work as a designer for a living, I know how it feels. I have ethical concerns and fears too and I absolutely sympathise with artists, writers, programmers, and other creatives who's livelihoods are at stake. All I'm trying to say is that ignoring the problem isn't a solution.

We have no control over what corporations do. We control what kind of environment we want to foster. The current position of staff is that we value artists and creatives over the machines meant to replace them.

As you absolutely should. But you can still value artists over machines without restricting discussion. It's dangerous to sweep that discussion into the corner, because all it does it hide the actual problem that's festering below the surface.

I still think it's heavy handed. What about games like AI Dungeon or AI Roguelite which utilize generation algorithms at their core but still have passionate human creators behind them? I feel bad for the devs who's games are essentially blacklisted from Era now. They're not the ones using AI for unethical purposes or trying to replace humans. They're just making cool little experiences.

They're likely not allowed now outside of the OT, similar to how the passionate team of human creators behind Hogwarts Legacy also cannot have their content discussed here.

All I'm trying to say is that ignoring the problem isn't a solution.

ResetEra is incapable of solving the problem with AI upending the visual and creative industries and putting people out of work. Again, what we can control is what kind of environment we want to foster here. The discussion that was happening in these AI content generation threads was untenable because, once more, people were trolling and being insensitive based upon basic philosophical disagreements. So instead of a wholesale ban, this was the next best solution.

But you can still value artists over machines without restricting discussion.

Discussion restrictions are only had when an overwhelming majority or all of staff agree with them. I was the only staffer who had been in AI content threads to any notable degree, so it was essentially up to me to put forth an argument to a team of dozens who were ignorant about the subject as to why this should have been done based upon what artists were telling me in my DMs, Discord, and in reports, a team of dozens who, in general, are quite wary of content bans for a myriad of valid reasons concerning discussion quality, what precedents they set, how we deal with future calls for bans, and so on. Several proposals for bans and moratoriums have actually died in our Discord and you will never know about them.

But with this? I actually did not have to do much convincing to the rest of the team to get this rolling. It was literally a one-and-done discussion. And the reason I did not have to do as much convincing was because the argument was braindead easy to make given the appalling behavior and discussion quality that had been happening, and the moral arguments I was able to outline. I literally got this settled with everyone present, including the GM, in an afternoon.

The real honest-to-God truth? Had people just not been asshats to artists and about the situation in general, I wouldn't have been able to make the argument. It would have died and I would instead have to propose something else to temper discussion. This decision is one that the community essentially made for us. If you can't play nice, then your toys get taken out of the sandbox.

And again, the rules can change. ResetEra is a live service now. Check out the update I just posted in the policy thread. We don't know what the future holds. But it must also be remembered that we live in the present. It's not about us "sticking our heads in the sand." It is about us saying "We value human artists and creativity" and this is one of the best ways we can show that. And ultimately, you are still allowed to discuss these things. You just simply cannot flood the forum with any and all manner of fluff anymore, while on top of that being as disrespectful and dismissive to artists as you were allowed to get away with.

Admitting that this is basically her own personal crusade that was easy to get rubber stamped is a choice.

But more interesting is that she seems to be equating creatives who use AI in generating their products with the HL dev team, which seems an awful lot like putting the struggle of commercial artists against AI up against the whole JKR thing. Era not respecting the danger that was making creatives flip out in the AI threads is similar to  JKR's apparent singlehanded genocide of everyone non-cis.

[Potato]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

No doubt they got a stern talking to from their corporate overlords

[clothedmacuser]

In constructive

The existing NFT policies are buried unfortunately, but unearthing everything has been my ongoing project for awhile now. The plan was to simply rewrite the entire FAQ, get a consensus on the rewrite, then do a full-blown huge update, but it's been backed up by trying to search for everything and getting and implementing feedback, and people are rightfully getting really antsy about it. So instead we're planning on updating the main FAQ with the rules we're absolutely sure on over the coming weeks, and yes the Crypto/NFT policy is in the new doc.

These stupid mother fuckers can't keep track of their own rules   

Are the rules written on some ancient scroll, hidden in a tomb guarded by giant evil spider?

Things bout to get spicy in this David Cho thread -

Yuck, makes me feel even more weird about watching all Beef. The other thing being that the longest speaking black roles in the show came from a prisoner and butler. I just got weird subtle anti-blackness from the show, which is a shame since it was great.

My wife said, “This show has fewer black people than Friends.”

What is this? Why do people keep trying to put Asian and Black people against each other? It's like if Asians complained Insecure or Atlanta didn't have enough Asian people. It's a story made by Asians, deeply about the Asian American experience, with primarily Asian roles. We should celebrate that along with other POC led shows, not complain that they didn't include enough of other POC

Nep Nep comment?


https://www.resetera.com/threads/2014-video-surfaces-of-david-choe-star-of-netflixs-beef-admitting-to-sexually-assaulting-a-masseuse-choe-tries-to-scrub-video-from-internet.709658/page-2

The only thing asians can do correctly is sit on the sidelines as Excel and Nepenthe get mad on their behalf when a white guy opens a Thai restaurant.  Asians and Natives are only useful for ERA when they have a "but white people are still bad," argument that needs an extra paragraph.

[Potato]

https://www.resetera.com/threads/april-16-2023-mass-shooting-at-dadeville-alabama-at-teenage-birthday-party-4-killed-28-injured.709274/page-2#post-104265584

User Banned (1 Month): Racism

So the conference was basically nothing. Apparently they didn't even use the words "shooter" or give an official number of victims or injuries or anything. I'm not even seeing this be reported anymore so I feel like they're just sweeping it under the rug or something.
https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1647618287981805569

It's most likely gang related then.

The unfortunate truth is that poster is probably right. The media and general public don't care about gang violence as long as there are no White innocent victims.

Why does progressive forum Resetera immediately assume that gang related=black/brown people?

[GreatSageEqualOfHeaven]

I was the only staffer who had been in AI content threads to any notable degree, so it was essentially up to me to put forth an argument to a team of dozens who were ignorant about the subject as to why this should have been done based upon what artists were telling me in my DMs, Discord, and in reports, a team of dozens who, in general, are quite wary of content bans for a myriad of valid reasons concerning discussion quality, what precedents they set, how we deal with future calls for bans, and so on. Several proposals for bans and moratoriums have actually died in our Discord and you will never know about them.

But with this? I actually did not have to do much convincing to the rest of the team to get this rolling. It was literally a one-and-done discussion. And the reason I did not have to do as much convincing was because the argument was braindead easy to make given the appalling behavior and discussion quality that had been happening, and the moral arguments I was able to outline. I literally got this settled with everyone present, including the GM, in an afternoon.

The real honest-to-God truth? Had people just not been asshats to artists and about the situation in general, I wouldn't have been able to make the argument. It would have died and I would instead have to propose something else to temper discussion. This decision is one that the community essentially made for us. If you can't play nice, then your toys get taken out of the sandbox.

And again, the rules can change. ResetEra is a live service now. Check out the update I just posted in the policy thread. We don't know what the future holds. But it must also be remembered that we live in the present. It's not about us "sticking our heads in the sand." It is about us saying "We value human artists and creativity" and this is one of the best ways we can show that. And ultimately, you are still allowed to discuss these things. You just simply cannot flood the forum with any and all manner of fluff anymore, while on top of that being as disrespectful and dismissive to artists as you were allowed to get away with.

so much energy in this quote I wanna run it through voice.ai

Because when they're sending their AI, they’re not sending their best. They’re sending AI that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems to us. They’re stealing our stock photos. They’re stealing self published YA fiction. They’re stealing copying poses from video. And some, I assume, are good AI.

[Cauliflower Of Love]

Aren't the steps of geno pinpointed after the fact?

It's sort of a revisiting, which means the geno is over if they can place steps!

We did it!

[Uncle]

[Propagandhim]

Can AI replace the comedy of errors of Nepenthe and the amount of joy I get from reading her posts?  That seems to be impossible to emulate tbqh.  Just knowing this is somehow a real person makes it invaluable. 

[Potato]

Can AI replace the comedy of errors of Nepenthe and the amount of joy I get from reading her posts?  That seems to be impossible to emulate tbqh

AI can generate some pretty idiotic word salads full of misunderstood political buzzwords, but I think it generally isn't allowed to be blatantly racist unless you break it. YMMV

[Nintex]

I was the only President who had been on CNN in any notable degree, so it was essentially up to me to put forth an argument to a team of dozens of Republicans who were ignorant about the subject as to why this should have been done based upon what my friends were telling me in beautiful letters, phone calls, and during golf, a team of dozens who, in general, are quite wary of media bans for a myriad of valid reasons concerning discussion quality, what precedents they set, how we deal with future calls for bans, and so on. Several proposals for bans and moratoriums have actually died in our cabinet meetings and you will never know about them.

But with this? I actually did not have to do much convincing to the rest of Congress to get this rolling. It was literally a one-and-done discussion. And the reason I did not have to do as much convincing was because the argument was braindead easy to make given the appalling behavior and reporting quality that had been happening, and the moral arguments I was able to outline. I literally got this settled with everyone present, including the RINO's, in an afternoon.

The real honest-to-God truth? Had journalists just not been asshats to Trump and about the situation in general, I wouldn't have been able to make the argument. It would have died and I would instead have to propose something else to temper discussion. This decision is one that the FAKE NEWS essentially made for us. If you can't play nice, then your toys get taken out of the sandbox.

And again, the rules can change. TRUTH is a live service now. Check out the update I just posted. We don't know what the future holds. But it must also be remembered that we live in the present. It's not about us "sticking our heads in the sand." It is about us saying "We value our country and our flag" and this is one of the best ways we can show that. And ultimately, you are still allowed to discuss these things. You just simply cannot flood the airwaves with any and all manner of fluff anymore, while on top of that being as disrespectful and dismissive to patriots as you were allowed to get away with.

[Propagandhim]

"Resetera is a live service"   

Nepenthe thinks she's the admin of a tech company or something instead of a message board full of windowlickers 

[Nintex]

ResetEra is a live service now. Check out the update I just posted. We don't know what the future holds. But it must also be remembered that we live in the present

This also sounds like a threat more than anything

Leon, help!

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[HaughtyFrank]

It can't be said often enough.

How are they so bad at this? 

[Snoopycat_]

The only thing asians can do correctly is sit on the sidelines as Excel and Nepenthe get mad on their behalf when a white guy opens a Thai restaurant.  Asians and Natives are only useful for ERA when they have a "but white people are still bad," argument that needs an extra paragraph.

I wouldn’t be surprised if someone as virulently racist as Nep has more than a few opinions about Asians.

[Nintex]

It can't be said often enough.

How are they so bad at this? 

Because on any real forum they would automatically be corrected by the actual good posters like me and look like a bunch of losers.
But in ResetEras case the inmates have taken over the asylum and Batman is dead.