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« Reply #48180 on: April 20, 2023, 08:29:47 PM »
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Hello there! Thanks for approving me. I found out about this place on Gamespot, because the community there is deeply transphobic (with moderator endorsement), so I was sent a message about applying here so I could discuss my favorite hobby without seeing… that stuff. I was a forum moderator in the early 2000’s there pre-transition and that was sorely disappointing to see. (Holy cow that was twenty years ago) Like driving by your childhood home that’s now painted the worst shade of blue ever with a yard full of trash and trump yard signs. (oddly specific example I know)

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48181 on: April 20, 2023, 08:37:47 PM »
brainchild asks for account deletion in Constructive, prompting Nepenthe to go back and answer his question from yesterday:
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I don't know if I simply did not post my question in the appropriate space, or if the staff is still determining an answer to my question, or if the staff does not feel like my question is worthy of a response, but at this point I don't think it really matters.

I am requesting that my account be deleted from this forum. If I need to made this request elsewhere please let me know. Thank you.
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I do have a question. I am currently developing a project that will be released on Steam and a future Nintendo platform that would be effectively impossible without the use of large language models like GPT-4 (there are some simulation and procedurally generated aspects that allow players to have open-ended interactions with the gameworld and the "entities" that inhabit it in a way that is not practically possible without AI, even for a AAA company). It also would not be possible without my artistic vision and input; there is a core message and theme that stems from my vision and is expressed artistically by me, and I have provided the procedural algorithms with my own artistic works to reference and provide a framework for how content should be procedurally generated for players. Will discussion of a project like mine be banned on this forum?
Likely not, but we don't know the scope of the project at this point to say a definitive yes or no. An artist-designed world, gameplay mechanics, and gameplay loop where the player character happens to interact with NPCs and world events that are automatically generated would likely pass muster so long as discussion remained squarely on the experience and quality of the game and not the same tired ethical arguments about AI content and artist employment.

Ultimately what we're really siphoning off is things like "Midjourney can do hands better now" or "ChatGPT got an update," and in general this restriction is only on AI content generation within the arts. AI's use in the medical field for example would not be subject to these rules and could have a free standing thread made.

I personally would prefer not to see you go. You've been an exemplary member of the community for many years and have always had something of worth to contribute to any discussions you've been apart of.

AI's ability to convincingly fake reality being off limits is going to be fascinating as deepfaking becomes increasingly more accessible and convincing; keeping it all banned to protect artists is going to make it harder to quickly brush off fakes it feels like. But at least artists will feel safe.

my favorite bit:

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Ultimately what we're really siphoning off is things like "Midjourney can do hands better now" or "ChatGPT got an update"

she just doesn't like very specific apps that are hot right now, even though whatever brainchild is doing literally meets the definition of her earlier complaints:

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I cannot ban someone for going "I don't see the problem with having AI draw the backgrounds" because implicitly shitting on skilled background artists who take pride in their work and who actually like doing their job also isn't against the rules.

having "open ended interactions with the game world" is literally work that could've been manually done by employed artists or writers

this is just a special case because she's hurt the feelings of someone she took note of as a good forumer for whatever reason
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« Reply #48182 on: April 20, 2023, 09:15:52 PM »
Returnal is fucking awesome and is not crossgen.

It is barely awesome drivel. Still awesome, but when roguelike nonsense is your highlight after 2.5 years I'm not sure that's something to be proud about.

Housemarque was cooler when they made twin-stick arcade shooters.

And fuck Sony for paying for a week of exclusivity on the Street Fighter 6 demo.
Halfway through the generation and Returnal is the only exclusive worth noting...

WTF video game industry?
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« Reply #48183 on: April 20, 2023, 09:17:18 PM »
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Hello there! Thanks for approving me. I found out about this place on Gamespot, because the community there is deeply transphobic (with moderator endorsement), so I was sent a message about applying here so I could discuss my favorite hobby without seeing… that stuff. I was a forum moderator in the early 2000’s there pre-transition and that was sorely disappointing to see. (Holy cow that was twenty years ago) Like driving by your childhood home that’s now painted the worst shade of blue ever with a yard full of trash and trump yard signs. (oddly specific example I know)

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WTF? I love Gamespot now!
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« Reply #48184 on: April 20, 2023, 09:17:24 PM »
it's absolutely amazing how ignorable both sony and ms have been for me this gen, I remember so many past years like oh uncharted looks pretty great, oh I kinda wish I had that but not worth buying a whole system for...now there's not even that

steam deck all the way :rejoice :playa
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« Reply #48185 on: April 20, 2023, 09:19:12 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-4#post-104483909
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I'm of Jewish decent, I know what a goddamn genocide actually is. But, no, please go on about how trans woman not being able to compete in women's sports is totally a genocide. Talk to me when they're rounding people up, putting them on trains, and shipping them off to gas chambers.

 :hesright

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I don’t believe your bullshit had even the suggestion of good faith, so I’m going to treat it as it deserves.

Go fuck yourself.
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Fucking whyyyyy.

What were the first books that the Nazis banned?

Gatekeeping genocidal policies jesus christ plz.
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Oh yeah, I’m Jewish too. You can’t use that as your shield.

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I really don't want to do this but seriously?

How did the Holocaust happen? Did Germany after World War I and the Treaty of Versailles, just instantly start the extermination camps of Treblinka and Belzec? Is that how this period of history happened? Take a moment and reflect on what you wrote.

I seriously don't understand this. We have to wait to X stage, to talk about it? To acknowledge it? To fight against it? Why?!

We are seriously doing the exact same thing right now. We are othering people, we are stripping them of their humanity, we are passing LAWS to do it. Does this remotely sound familiar?
 

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I’m Jewish and you should shut your dumb ass up.

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Shut the fuck up, thanks

 :ltg :shaking

A Jew reminding them what real genocide is about and looks like really triggered them :lol
I'd be shocked if TheFireWithin isn't perma banned within 24 hours or less
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48186 on: April 20, 2023, 09:25:49 PM »
We got another one:

https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-4#post-104485049
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I'm all for supporting trans people and trans rights, but everyone using the word "genocide" and "genocide-y" is doing a real disservice here. Words have meaning and not allowing trans people into a particular sports league has nothing to do with genocide. It's pure hyperbole and actually turns people off (including me) from wanting to join in a serious discussion on these important subjects.

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« Reply #48187 on: April 20, 2023, 09:26:17 PM »
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I'm all for supporting trans people and trans rights, but everyone using the word "genocide" and "genocide-y" is doing a real disservice here. Words have meaning and not allowing trans people into a particular sports league has nothing to do with genocide. It's pure hyperbole and actually turns people off (including me) from wanting to join in a serious discussion on these important subjects.

So many future bans in that thread.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48188 on: April 20, 2023, 09:28:43 PM »
Those posters gonna experience (forum) genocide real soon.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48189 on: April 20, 2023, 09:33:55 PM »
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« Reply #48190 on: April 20, 2023, 10:07:22 PM »
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Genocide isn't the correct word because it's not true. This isn't "the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group". What word will you use if trans people are actually killed en masse? "For realz genocide"?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48191 on: April 20, 2023, 10:20:12 PM »
holy shit the mods are sleeping :whoo
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48192 on: April 20, 2023, 10:22:44 PM »
Quote from: Nepenthe
Warnings and bans, including two permanent ones, were handed out both to bad faith actors and even affected artists who had stepped over the line regarding inflammatory rhetoric and insults. It did not actually improve the quality of discussion, because ultimately it was the Dunning-Kruger effect combining with a general lack of respect to artists and various artistic disciplines, neither of which are inherently against the rules as they were written beforehand.

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It is a case where a slovenly lack of empathy and knowledge, along with a fundamental philosophical disagreement on the value of art itself, doesn't actually infringe all that much upon the existing rule set. However, the general flow of the threads was nonetheless causing a lot of heat and was coming to a head with regards to how industry creatives felt about even being here at all, more so than usual. So this was the next best solution. If people want to have a space to talk about how all this AI stuff looks great and is a hopeful sign for the future or whatever, then they will still have a space to do that. But they simply don't get to flood the forums with all manner of fluff and be assholes to the degree that they were beforehand.

But in general, this idea that the discussion in these threads was nuanced, good faith, riveting, or otherwise substantial doesn't jive with the reality of what we were seeing. It was a bunch of armchair AI proponents and general tech nerds talking down to and dismissing artists, with maybe a few people like Nothing Loud, collige, and brainchild able to actually provide some meaningful technological insight since they actually work in the field. The threads in general were just "wow, look at thing" with most people going "yeah, thing looks cool" and affected artists would go "No, this actually looks like shit" and then we end up in a back and forth over the above. Enough was enough.
ahahahahahahahahahaha this fucking idiot

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« Reply #48193 on: April 20, 2023, 10:25:48 PM »
Quote from: Android Sophia
It's very demoralizing to see people say "Trans sports aren't genocide" at this point. So that's why I can't take catharsis in it anymore.

In one go, these people are simultaneously denying what is going on around them while proving just why Republicans start with trans sports.

It's like... wake the fuck up, people. Your ignorance and foolishness is perpetuating the very system that is taking away our rights and killing us right now.

 :rofl

I would just like them to provide just one body of a trans person killed because they couldn't enter cis women sports.

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« Reply #48194 on: April 20, 2023, 10:27:01 PM »
"Okay, so first, we do the highly popular and moderate thing of keeping men out of women's sports and from women's athletic scholarships, then once we've signaled our intent by maintaining the status quo, well, you know... we make Joanne cum." :snob

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48195 on: April 20, 2023, 10:28:09 PM »
Geno is gonna be pissed.

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« Reply #48196 on: April 20, 2023, 10:28:28 PM »
Do you think they jump straight to anger because they know they don't have a response or because they just can't handle any pushback or dissent at all?

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« Reply #48197 on: April 20, 2023, 10:40:04 PM »
Can't wait for Kyuuji or somebody to make a post of a bunch of irrelevant random statements by unconnected people to prove it exists.

"Mac, can we talk about The Genocide? I've been dying to talk about The Genocide!"

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« Reply #48198 on: April 20, 2023, 10:44:00 PM »
Do you think they jump straight to anger because they know they don't have a response or because they just can't handle any pushback or dissent at all?

it's literally walsh asking "what is a woman"

they've spent years constructing this mentality on false premises and shaky foundations, and the question cuts to the foundation

there is no more hostile act you can take than questioning this
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« Reply #48199 on: April 20, 2023, 10:52:47 PM »
What I love about the constant accusations that the only reason someone "just asks questions" is for bad faith setting up of their fascist purposes is that it tells you all you need to know about when that person asks questions. :kermit

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It's also the same exact reasoning as to why Socrates had to be murdered. :lol
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48200 on: April 20, 2023, 10:55:32 PM »
TransEra and their handmaidens malding when being asked to provide proof of genocide like Trump voters being asked to provide proof of election fraud.

It’s delicious.  :delicious

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« Reply #48201 on: April 20, 2023, 10:58:03 PM »
Android Sophia at one point posts an explicit list explaining the steps of genocide and how they apply:
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The Ten Stages of Genocide
Stage 1  - Classification. We're long past this.
Stage 2  - Symbolization. Not allowing trans people to change their gender markers or names effectively works as this step.
Stage 3 -  Discrimination. Again, we're long past this step. Transgender folks have been fighting for their rights for years. Until recently, we had to go through grueling processes to get gender affirming health care and also denied basic rights like our name changes. I've been a personal victim of this multiple times, and I know many others who are.
Stage 4 - Dehumanization. The Republican party does this on the regular. The media engages in this. They use terms like "gender critical" and "transgenderism", referring to us as a plague or a trend. There's also the completely made up "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" term.
Stage 5 - Organization. 2600 Pages of Hate - A collection of leaked emails from anti-trans expert witnesses, right wing lawmakers, and conservative legal groups. We actually had a thread here on Era about this one.
Stage 6 - Polarisation. The UK media is full of this, especially the BBC. In the US, Fox News regularly spreads propaganda to spread and incite messages of hatred about Transgender people. The rest of the US media doesn't exactly try to fight back against this, for the most part.
Stage 7 - Preparation. See the link above in Step 5. We've known for awhile this is manufactured hate.
Stage 8 - Persecution. I mentioned this earlier, but look at all the state laws that are either on the book, or very close to being on the book.
<<WE ARE HERE, IN BETWEEN STAGES 8 AND 9>>
Stage 9 - Extermination. This is ultimately the end goal. Which is why we're seeing children taken from their parents in Texas and Florida, and why "trans sports" laws eventually turn into "trans kids healthcare laws" which eventually just turn into laws blocking healthcare for any trans people. We've seen this at the state level already. We're seeing this step realized in real time, and Republicans moving to the national level with these laws is, in their eyes, the logical way to remove trans people from the public eye.
For someone who is of Jewish decent, you are doing a fantastically good job failing to remember what happen to your ancestors. While also simultaneously engaging in the very same hatred that they experienced.

A lot of where the ongoing and urgent genocide isn't going to resonate with people is stuff like: "Until recently, we had to go through grueling processes to get gender affirming health care and also denied basic rights like our name changes." Treating everything with the same level of urgency is just going to confuse the shit out of people on the outside, since they're going to see the trans kids legislation as a reaction to the rise of informed consent and the push for more puberty blockers for kids, and not as an inherent attempt to detransition people. So to have people simultaneously insisting trans people have existed forever and that a lack of access to puberty blockers which have apparently been around for ~40 is going to lead to mass child death is just hard to reconcile.

The inability to actually have a discussion about any of it just means I just wonder how many of the genocide steps could be applied to cis women, if the GOP being shitbags is all it takes.

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« Reply #48202 on: April 20, 2023, 11:01:33 PM »
I just want to point out that those are not the "stages" those are just the titles for the "stages" otherwise we'd always be in Stage 1 at the very minimum. Except we're not because there's been no state classification of trans people, Bostock went out of its way to write a general rule rather than just say "don't discriminate against trans people" because it actually applies to, say, cross dressers too which we're assured have nothing to do with trans people.

edit: Holy shit at this last line:
Quote from: Android Sophia
For someone who is of Jewish decent, you are doing a fantastically good job failing to remember what happen to your ancestors. While also simultaneously engaging in the very same hatred that they experienced.
None of what happened to Jews in Nazi Germany has happened yet to trans people. And then Android Sophia (or her twin headmate) goes on to accuse the person of being genocidal themselves for not accepting madness and delusions!
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48203 on: April 20, 2023, 11:34:40 PM »
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The Importance of Being Respectful

Please be respectful when posting in threads. This includes when you post about the topic at hand and especially when you address other members. Do not make unfounded and inflammatory accusations to discredit and/or antagonize your fellow members (such calling them a shill, astroturfer, etc). Do not shame users based on their post count, avatar choice, or what community they belong to. Avoid hurling insults or making disagreements personal. If someone else is causing trouble, report them rather than trying to reciprocate.

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Shut up.

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You're dumb and a coward.

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Go fuck yourself.

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Oh okay, you're still an asshole who doesn't know the definition of the word.

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I’m Jewish and you should shut your dumb ass up.

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Shut the fuck up

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On the one hand, shut the fuck up.

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Do us a favor and make sure you don't post in such a thread again after this.

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go fuck yourself, dipshit.

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Genocide, much like we are using now, you fucking idiot.

So how much do you want to bet that the guy with an opinion on a thing, who hasn't broken a single site rule gets banned, and the plethora of posters who have blatantly broken the forum rules all walk away unscathed.

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« Reply #48204 on: April 20, 2023, 11:40:45 PM »
Quote from: Kyuuji, post: 104485826, member: 31943
The thing that's ridiculous is witnessing the direct and targeted erasure of a minority and arguing with them about definitions you have a primary school understanding of, because you've managed to crawl so far inside your own ass that you've convinced yourself anyone cares whether you engage with a discussion that doesn't affect you and isn't about you.

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Yet another thread about institutional threats to trans people's lives successfully derailed. I'm sure folks on other forums elsewhere are rubbing their hands with glee.

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This is a forum, so yeah I thought I could chat with people. I've been perfectly polite and stated what I thought was a pretty benign opinion, that using the word "genocide" in this context is hyperbole. I read what other people posted, about how they think this could be a slippery slope to genocidal ideology, but I don't agree. I thought it was okay to civilly disagree in a discussion?

I've been met with what I consider to be completely off-of-bounds replies, e.g. "shut the fuck up". I'm surprised some of them don't garner moderator warnings.

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Poor you.

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It's not hyperbole. It is a concentrated effort to kill and harm trans folks. This is genocide.

You're surprised that telling an oppressed group that is a target of genocide tells you to "shut the fuck up" when downplaying said genocide doesn't result in some sort of warning? We shouldn't tell oppressed folks how to feel and if concern trolling about semantics, "shut the fuck up" is a perfectly fine response.

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Genocide, much like we are using now, you fucking idiot.

Check my posts, I’ve been calling this a genocide for a minute. High time you cis jerks recognize it.

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I sincerely hope whatever void you have in your life is filled one day, so that you can look back on your time trolling topics like this with a measure of shame.

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For sure. Sometimes there's a catharsis in having a catalyst for venting though. Having to spend an inordinate amount of time being polite and detailed about these things it's nice when someone hands the ability to be a little more, uh, blunt about it all on a silver platter.

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I preceded it all with that but when thousands of words are spent breaking my back bending over to explain things to cis people in a measured manner, spending four to tell an idiot to shut the fuck up is a bit of a release.

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like, good? what on earth made you think we wanted you to "join this discussion" in the first place?

go fuck yourself, dipshit.

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God I love you.

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You are an ignorant person who is proudly proclaiming their ignorance.

The "genocide" wording was explained to you by multiple people but you chose to ignore it.

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« Reply #48205 on: April 20, 2023, 11:57:54 PM »
these 10 steps were defined in 1996 and there is zero doubt that the people defining them intended literal ethnic genotype rather than fuzzy self-association like claiming there's a genocide against moustache-havers due to a razor ad campaign telling men to shave it off

era post:

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Stage 1 - Classification. We're long past this.

the summary of a summary which they link:

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Classification – The differences between people are not respected. There’s a division of ‘us’ and ‘them’ which can be carried out using stereotypes, or excluding people who are perceived to be different.

actual text (still an exerpt):

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All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide.  One of most important classifications in the current nation-state system is citizenship in a nationality.  Removal or denial of a group's citizenship is a legal way to deny the group's civil and human rights.  The first step toward the genocide of Jews and Roma in Nazi Germany were the laws to strip them of their German citizenship.  Burma's 1982 citizenship law classified Rohingyas out of national citizenship. In India, the Citizenship Act denies a route to citizenship for Muslim refugees.  Native Americans were not granted citizenship in the USA until 1924, after centuries of genocide that decimated their populations.

this is the first step, classification. revoking your fucking citizenship. we're long past this??

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Stage 2 - Symbolization. Not allowing trans people to change their gender markers or names effectively works as this step.

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Symbolisation – This is a visual manifestation of hatred. Jews in Nazi Europe were forced to wear yellow stars to show that they were ‘different’.

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We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people “Jews” or “Gypsies”, or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply the symbols to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

trans people are proudly applying symbols to themselves, they're not being forced by the government

android sophia says NOT allowing trans people to brand themselves with the symbols that highlight their otherness counts...??

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Stage 3 - Discrimination. Again, we're long past this step. Transgender folks have been fighting for their rights for years. Until recently, we had to go through grueling processes to get gender affirming health care and also denied basic rights like our name changes. I've been a personal victim of this multiple times, and I know many others who are.

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Discrimination – The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups. The 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped Jews of their German citizenship, made it illegal for them to do many jobs or to marry German non-Jews.

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A dominant group uses law, custom, and political power to deny the rights of other groups.  The powerless group may not be accorded full civil rights, voting rights, or even citizenship. The dominant group is driven by an exclusionary ideology that would deprive less powerful groups of their rights.  The ideology advocates monopolization or expansion of power by the dominant group.  It legitimizes the victimization of weaker groups. Advocates of exclusionary ideologies are often charismatic, expressing the resentments of their followers. Examples include the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 in Nazi Germany, which stripped Jews of their German citizenship, and prohibited their employment by the government and by universities.  Discrimination against native Americans and African-Americans was enshrined in the US Constitution until the post Civil War Amendments and mid-20th century laws to enforce them.  Denial of citizenship to the Rohingya Muslim minority in Myanmar led to genocide in 2017 and the displacement of over a million refugees.

give this one a maybe, but it applies to literally everything

there's a genocide against smokers because dominant groups of non-smokers keep screeching about how it affects their health, and they keep removing rights of people to smoke indoors or place age restrictions on it to oppress the smoking minority

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Stage 4 - Dehumanization. The Republican party does this on the regular. The media engages in this. They use terms like "gender critical" and "transgenderism", referring to us as a plague or a trend. There's also the completely made up "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" term.

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Dehumanisation – Those perceived as ‘different’ are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity. During the Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, Tutsis were referred to as ‘cockroaches’; the Nazis referred to Jews as ‘vermin’.

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One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print, on hate radios, and in social media is used to vilify the victim group. It may even be incorporated into school textbooks. Indoctrination prepares the way for incitement. The majority group is taught to regard the other group as less than human, and even alien to their society. They are indoctrinated to believe that “ We are better off without them.”  The powerless group can become so depersonalized that they are actually given numbers rather than names, as Jews were in the death camps.  They are equated with filth, i​m​purity, and immorality.  Hate speech fills the propaganda of official radio, newspapers, and speeches.

literally the opposite is happening, trans acceptance has been incorporated into school textbooks, which...if this is the truth being taught, implies that people who believe the opposite are at minimum deniers of science and should probably be vilified

which group is powerless? which group is having their viewpoint written out of textbooks?

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Stage 5 - Organization. 2600 Pages of Hate - A collection of leaked emails from anti-trans expert witnesses, right wing lawmakers, and conservative legal groups. We actually had a thread here on Era about this one.

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Organisation – Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people.

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Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings.   Genocide often occurs during civil or international wars.  Arms flows to states and militias (even in violation of UN Arms Embargoes) facilitate acts of genocide.  States organize secret police to spy on, arrest, torture, and murder people suspected of opposition to political leaders. Motivations for targeting a group are indoctrinated through mass media and special training for murderous militias, death squads, and special army killing units like the Nazi Einsaztgruppen, which murdered 1.5 million Jews in Eastern Europe.

so...the "2600 pages of hate" does not actually constitute any of the above in the least

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Stage 6 - Polarisation. The UK media is full of this, especially the BBC. In the US, Fox News regularly spreads propaganda to spread and incite messages of hatred about Transgender people. The rest of the US media doesn't exactly try to fight back against this, for the most part.

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Polarisation – Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups. The Nazis used the newspaper Der Stürmer to spread and incite messages of hate about Jewish people.

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Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed.  Leaders in targeted groups are the next to be arrested and murdered. The dominant group passes emergency laws or decrees that grants them total power over the targeted group.  The laws erode fundamental civil rights and liberties. Targeted groups are disarmed to make them incapable of self-defense, and to ensure that the dominant group has total control.

"laws may forbid intermarriage" gets to the heart of it: we're talking about non-jews being forbidden from marrying jews, it is explicitly an ethnicity/race thing

the republicanest republican right now wouldn't try to prevent all trans people from marrying any cis people, because self-ID makes the idea nonsense. if there's a trans romeo and cis juliet on opposite sides of this marriage wall, then juliet can just declare she's trans, and now the marginalized group is sticking to marrying within its classification

even if a crazy conservative wants this, it hasn't fucking happened yet, so this stage hasn't happened

"targeted groups are disarmed to make them incapable of self-defense," yeah there's not a high profile tragic recent event that would disprove this

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Stage 7 - Preparation. See the link above in Step 5. We've known for awhile this is manufactured hate.

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Preparation – Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms such as the Nazis’ phrase ‘The Final Solution’ to cloak their intentions. They create fear of the victim group, building up armies and weapons.

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National or perpetrator group leaders plan the “Final Solution” to the Jewish, Armenian, Tutsi or other targeted group “question.”  They often use euphemisms to cloak their intentions, such as referring to their goals as “ethnic cleansing,” “purification,” or “counter-terrorism.” They build armies, buy weapons and train their troops and militias.  They indoctrinate the populace with fear of the victim group.  Leaders often claim that “if we don’t kill them, they will kill us,” disguising genocide as self-defense.  There is a sudden increase in inflammatory rhetoric and hate propaganda with the objective of creating fear of the other group. Political processes such as peace accords that threaten the dominance of the ruling group through elections or prosecution for corruption may actually trigger genocide.

you know, plucking out the mildest terms from this like "somebody is trying to sow fear of my group" and saying that counts is just the slimiest thing

xbox users can probably say that about some playstation users

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Stage 8 - Persecution. I mentioned this earlier, but look at all the state laws that are either on the book, or very close to being on the book.
<<WE ARE HERE, IN BETWEEN STAGES 8 AND 9>>

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Persecution – Victims are identified because of their ethnicity or religion and death lists are drawn up. People are sometimes segregated into ghettos, deported or starved and property is often expropriated. Genocidal massacres begin.

I am not even going to quote the full text of this one because holy shit sophia

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android sophia is being so charitable and generous to not try to claim that step 9 is happening so no need to talk about it, but oh it's the end goal, believe it!

also why didn't you list step 10, denial  ???
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feel free to quote my post and reply "I agree"
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First one is factually wrong, though the Nazis did strip citizenship pretty fucking quickly when you consider how drastic of step that is, the first step the Nazis took was to kick all the Jewish employees out of government positions. I actually wonder how much agreement you could get from TERFs on this, especially if you point out that it'd be relatively easy to twist that to kick out cis women. (Women are vastly overrepresented in government positions.)

Anyway,
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Yet another thread about institutional threats to trans people's lives successfully derailed. I'm sure folks on other forums elsewhere are rubbing their hands with glee.
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every step of the trans genocide is impossible, since they aren't doing anything to "trans" people, trans women are women so really they're just doing this stuff to plain old women

and they'd only be doing it to some of them, so it's not like a total genocide or anything, just a few of the women who meet certain criteria
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I mean we’re not dealing with hypotheticals here. In red states, Sports bans have universally been the prelude to an onslaught of increasingly worse restrictions on trans people’s ability to exist. The subject of this thread is the federal version of such a ban and is intended to signal to those states that the national GOP intends to follow the blueprint of sports bans, youth care bans, document update bans, bathroom bans, adult care bans, etc etc.

I thought a "slippery slope" was a fallacy on REE. Oh, right, it's just a fallacy when it's used by a "troll".
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I mean we’re not dealing with hypotheticals here. In red states, Sports bans have universally been the prelude to an onslaught of increasingly worse restrictions on trans people’s ability to exist. The subject of this thread is the federal version of such a ban and is intended to signal to those states that the national GOP intends to follow the blueprint of sports bans, youth care bans, document update bans, bathroom bans, adult care bans, etc etc.

I thought a "slippery slope" was a fallacy on REE. Oh, right, it's just a fallacy when it's used by a "troll".
Wait until they find out the "federal ban" has been in place since 1972.

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« Reply #48213 on: April 21, 2023, 01:26:41 AM »
Just realized that poster they’re all spazzing out over seems to be yet another biological female. Of course. :lol

If you were born with a vagina your opinion is worth less than nothing on Resetera.

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« Reply #48215 on: April 21, 2023, 01:39:13 AM »
Android Sophia at one point posts an explicit list explaining the steps of genocide and how they apply:
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The Ten Stages of Genocide
Stage 1  - Classification. We're long past this.
Stage 2  - Symbolization. Not allowing trans people to change their gender markers or names effectively works as this step.
Stage 3 -  Discrimination. Again, we're long past this step. Transgender folks have been fighting for their rights for years. Until recently, we had to go through grueling processes to get gender affirming health care and also denied basic rights like our name changes. I've been a personal victim of this multiple times, and I know many others who are.
Stage 4 - Dehumanization. The Republican party does this on the regular. The media engages in this. They use terms like "gender critical" and "transgenderism", referring to us as a plague or a trend. There's also the completely made up "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" term.
Stage 5 - Organization. 2600 Pages of Hate - A collection of leaked emails from anti-trans expert witnesses, right wing lawmakers, and conservative legal groups. We actually had a thread here on Era about this one.
Stage 6 - Polarisation. The UK media is full of this, especially the BBC. In the US, Fox News regularly spreads propaganda to spread and incite messages of hatred about Transgender people. The rest of the US media doesn't exactly try to fight back against this, for the most part.
Stage 7 - Preparation. See the link above in Step 5. We've known for awhile this is manufactured hate.
Stage 8 - Persecution. I mentioned this earlier, but look at all the state laws that are either on the book, or very close to being on the book.
<<WE ARE HERE, IN BETWEEN STAGES 8 AND 9>>
Stage 9 - Extermination. This is ultimately the end goal. Which is why we're seeing children taken from their parents in Texas and Florida, and why "trans sports" laws eventually turn into "trans kids healthcare laws" which eventually just turn into laws blocking healthcare for any trans people. We've seen this at the state level already. We're seeing this step realized in real time, and Republicans moving to the national level with these laws is, in their eyes, the logical way to remove trans people from the public eye.
For someone who is of Jewish decent, you are doing a fantastically good job failing to remember what happen to your ancestors. While also simultaneously engaging in the very same hatred that they experienced.
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I'm all for supporting trans people and trans rights, but everyone using the word "genocide" and "genocide-y" is doing a real disservice here. Words have meaning and not allowing trans people into a particular sports league has nothing to do with genocide. It's pure hyperbole and actually turns people off (including me) from wanting to join in a serious discussion on these important subjects.

I'm going to quote you too, because you need to have an eye-opening as to how far this is actually going. Remember that genocide does not have to end in gas chambers and concentration camps for it to be genocide. The end goal of othering us, taking away our health care, our rights to be who we are, to be called who we want to be. Those are all steps on the path to genocide. They all serve the ultimate goal of destroying a particular minority group, and forcing what few remain back into the shadows. Conservatives don't have to kill us outright; they just have to ensure that our lives are always in danger and that we have no rights.

You think this is about sports. But the reality is that we've seen first hand what happens on the state level. It very quickly stops being about sports; sports are trojan horse issue. The goal here is to start with something smaller, and move up the latter.

And again: WE'VE SEEN THIS HAPPEN AT THE STATE LEVEL ALREADY.

WE. KNOW. HOW. THIS. ENDS.

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I'm of Jewish decent, I know what a goddamn genocide actually is. But, no, please go on about how trans woman not being able to compete in women's sports is totally a genocide. Talk to me when they're rounding people up, putting them on trains, and shipping them off to gas chambers.
Because then you’ll blast through a wall and save the prisoners, huh? No one should bother you before then?
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To you, it's a discussion about a faraway situation that does not impact you in any way.

To trans people, it's a discussion about their lives.

Discussing how your life is going to get turned upside down and made miserable and dangerous in a civil way is a pretty big ask. Especially when the people on the other side give negative three shits about what happens to you.
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you’re right, you’ve convinced me that it’s hyperbole. I’m one of you now, I don’t believe it’s genocide. So now what I need from you is when I can call it a genocide. Is it when trans health care is made illegal in a whole state? Is it when trans kids are separated from their parents by police? Is it when a state AG puts up a form to report doctors who are treating trans patients? I’m genuinely asking, when am I allowed to call it genocide?
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I mean, yeh, you should have. Particularly because it had already been addressed in the thread. Instead you've chosen to ignore the detailed posts that explain why this movement, of which these bans are a part, is genocidal in nature. Isolating any one aspect of the attack on our rights, lives and freedoms in order to say 'mmm doesn't seem genocidal to me' is so painfully stupid that it's hard not to it take as a troll.

I'll re-quote the Lemkin Institute's assessment though, if not for you to ignore a third time then for others reading the page anew to see why your claims of hyperbole are unfounded.
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Have you missed the fact that the signs of genocide have already been happening at the state level?

Here is "Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group" Fifteen states have passed laws, with another sixteen considering it.

Here is "Imposing measures intended to prevent births within a group" as well as "Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.."

All of these different bills are an example of "Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part."

So that's four of the five right there.

Also, regarding your "nor will likely to happen as a result" comment, see what Gleethor has said below:

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I mean we're not dealing with hypotheticals here. In red states, Sports bans have universally been the prelude to an onslaught of increasingly worse restrictions on trans people's ability to exist. The subject of this thread is the federal version of such a ban and is intended to signal to those states that the national GOP intends to follow the blueprint of sports bans, youth care bans, document update bans, bathroom bans, adult care bans, etc etc.

So how much more do you need before we can call this genocide? Even if we assume the most conservative definition of genocide, this is still stage 3/4 on on the ten stages.

But I bet you'll just ignore this post as you did all the others that proved you wrong...
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This insufferable arrogance is far more annoying. I'd rather just be called a slur to be quite honest.
Seriously! Just call me the t-slur and be done with it. This condescension is too much.

Gonna hunt down the dissenter:
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Aw c'mon, SeaSilver. Don't leave the thread now. Especially when I gotta go to bed soon. Just two simple questions. What do you call what is happening at the state level (which started with sports bans) to trans people if it's not genocide? And how much further does it have to go before it's genocide?
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JFC, a thread about trans people being systematically pushed out of existence really isn't the time to debate the finer definition of "genocide". I'm the most privileged bedicked cislord ever and it's still pretty obvious to me. Also, being born into a particular ethnic, cultural or religious group doesn't automatically make you an expert on genocide. What a ridiculous, grade school level argument.

I am saddened and angered by this news. It truly is sickening to see this coordinated attack on trans rights across the board. If this doesn't affect you, only just doesn't affect you *yet*. Once they're done with the whole rainbow, they'll find new groups to target.
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I know I'm slightly bias in this but personally I'd rather call it for what it is before we get to the point where we're being shuttled off.

It's worth remembering that trans people were victims of the Holocaust as well, and "we must not forget" applies to all those persecuted and slaughtered during it. Genocide in 2023 can take different forms to firing squads or gas chambers though. Making healthcare illegal to prevent transition, or not doing anything to solve a crisis that has people waiting 35+ years for healthcare, and banning us from fundamental aspects of society and everyday life has two paths: trans people who can't transition or live as being trans, or suicide. In either case the result is fewer trans people existing as ourselves, or at all. It's not a particularly difficult concept to grasp.

Trans people in the US are fleeing states to avoid being separated from their parents, or denied access to healthcare or basic facilities and aspects of life. Trans people in the UK are currently on the precipice of having to flee the country if we want to be able to exist in society as ourselves and not detransition. I'm sorry but, like, wake up. This is happening now. The proponents of it have actively spoken about their desire to see fewer trans people in the world, to eradicate us. That we are a moral evil in need of purging. They aren't just talking about it in the abstract either, they're working to enact and actively progressing legislation that sees us othered and put outside the confines of society.
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Worth pointing out for any lurkers that still are on the fence of this whole genocide thing:

One of the goals of this political project is to make trans people feel isolated, afraid, and unable to be themselves. Denying trans people healthcare is going to end up with them dying, whether it's because they try to flee and do it illegally, or because they take their own lives out of despair. They are counting on this whole movement making trans people a non-entity.

If you're wasting keyboard movements arguing about semantics, it's most likely because you have no trans people in your life and don't see them as worthy of respect, love, and agency.
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you understand what severe depression can do to a person correct? this is the government essentially forcing it on its citizens by trying to make their lives as miserable as possible and not letting them be who they are. the next step is obviously to deny healthcare to trans people at the national level.

don't fucking tell Trans people how to express the reality of what they are facing.

the end goal is genocide and if you don't agree you are fucking ignorant as shit
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I feel like using anything other than "genocide", or "genocidal intent" at the very least, is downplaying it. We need words that accurately describe what is happening to us, as an entire minority group. It shouldn't be our fault that it's tough for privileged classes of people to grasp that transphobes want us to go through a genocide just like the holocaust. I don't think you're even slightly biased, you're completely correct.
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As a very smart person, I think that if I wanted an entire group of humans removed from society by any means necessary? The absolute best move would be to completely emulate the most extreme methods employed by groups that almost all of us have agreed were unrepentant, heinous monsters.
Just do the absolute worst atrocities they committed, precisely down to every detail. None of this nuanced, calculated shifting of perception to make sure there's always room for arguments - I'd ensure that nobody on forums or youtube comments could be pedantic assholes about my intentions.
That would definitely not result in me being immediately found out and carted off, because subtlety is for cowards.
So just remember, if someone says something (like not allowing males to take female's spots on female teams as has been United States law since 1972) is genocide and you question whether or not it's genocide rather than agreeing and immediately taking action to stop the genocide, well, you yourself just did a genocide too.

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Just realized that poster they’re all spazzing out over seems to be yet another biological female. Of course. :lol

If you were born with a vagina your opinion is worth less than nothing on Resetera.
She probably said she wore a low cut top or something...maybe showed an ankle.

Clearly a whore bitch...
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« Reply #48219 on: April 21, 2023, 02:58:16 AM »
Holy shit Trans era is completely and totally unhinged. I figured they were talking about those regimes in Africa that claim gays don't exist or Russia where their kin has literally been mudered. But it's really about the most liberal societies not willing to abolish womens rights or implement experimental healthcare on a large scale. How many of them  receive benefits from the government they claim is murdering them?
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Worth pointing out for any lurkers that still are on the fence of this whole genocide thing:

One of the goals of this political project is to make trans people feel isolated, afraid, and unable to be themselves.

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Oh, sorry, my bad, I thought he was talking about the people trying to convince the trans community they're 10 minutes away from deathcamps

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« Reply #48223 on: April 21, 2023, 05:02:36 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/the-house-just-passed-a-sweeping-transphobic-genocidal-womens-sports-bill.710945/page-4#post-104483909
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I'm of Jewish decent, I know what a goddamn genocide actually is. But, no, please go on about how trans woman not being able to compete in women's sports is totally a genocide. Talk to me when they're rounding people up, putting them on trains, and shipping them off to gas chambers.
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« Reply #48224 on: April 21, 2023, 05:14:35 AM »
Can we talk about the worst stage?

Stage 8-3 in Super Mario Bros. These hammer bros are just the fucking worst.

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« Reply #48225 on: April 21, 2023, 05:32:41 AM »
Can we talk about the worst stage?

Stage 8-3 in Super Mario Bros. These hammer bros are just the fucking worst.

pretty much a perfect platformer until the difficulty spike at the end

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« Reply #48226 on: April 21, 2023, 05:59:31 AM »
Meanwhile Nep Nep (The Beastmaster) is out there openly supporting cat genocide.

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Benji content

https://www.resetera.com/threads/just-passed-my-general-exam-for-my-phd.711191/
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The vast majority of work has yet to be done.

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« Reply #48228 on: April 21, 2023, 06:06:31 AM »
Yeah, but he said it's he expects it scheduled by next year. What, do you not trust the guy who has taken ten years to get to this point? Or the guy who posts everything he does?

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« Reply #48229 on: April 21, 2023, 06:22:24 AM »
Can we talk about the worst stage?

Stage 8-3 in Super Mario Bros. These hammer bros are just the fucking worst.

it's not too bad if you can keep hold of a fire flower but the problem is slowly and carefully burning each brother makes the level take longer and you risk running out of time
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« Reply #48230 on: April 21, 2023, 06:43:38 AM »
I think ‘flower vs hammer’ is already causing enough trouble.

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« Reply #48231 on: April 21, 2023, 06:48:47 AM »
these 10 steps were defined in 1996 and there is zero doubt that the people defining them intended literal ethnic genotype rather than fuzzy self-association like claiming there's a genocide against moustache-havers due to a razor ad campaign telling men to shave it off

era post:

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Stage 1 - Classification. We're long past this.

the summary of a summary which they link:

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Classification – The differences between people are not respected. There’s a division of ‘us’ and ‘them’ which can be carried out using stereotypes, or excluding people who are perceived to be different.

actual text (still an exerpt):

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All cultures have categories to distinguish people into “us and them” by ethnicity, race, religion, or nationality: German and Jew, Hutu and Tutsi. Bipolar societies that lack mixed categories, such as Rwanda and Burundi, are the most likely to have genocide.  One of most important classifications in the current nation-state system is citizenship in a nationality.  Removal or denial of a group's citizenship is a legal way to deny the group's civil and human rights.  The first step toward the genocide of Jews and Roma in Nazi Germany were the laws to strip them of their German citizenship.  Burma's 1982 citizenship law classified Rohingyas out of national citizenship. In India, the Citizenship Act denies a route to citizenship for Muslim refugees.  Native Americans were not granted citizenship in the USA until 1924, after centuries of genocide that decimated their populations.

this is the first step, classification. revoking your fucking citizenship. we're long past this??

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Stage 2 - Symbolization. Not allowing trans people to change their gender markers or names effectively works as this step.

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Symbolisation – This is a visual manifestation of hatred. Jews in Nazi Europe were forced to wear yellow stars to show that they were ‘different’.

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We give names or other symbols to the classifications. We name people “Jews” or “Gypsies”, or distinguish them by colors or dress; and apply the symbols to members of groups. Classification and symbolization are universally human and do not necessarily result in genocide unless they lead to dehumanization. When combined with hatred, symbols may be forced upon unwilling members of pariah groups: the yellow star for Jews under Nazi rule, the blue scarf for people from the Eastern Zone in Khmer Rouge Cambodia.

trans people are proudly applying symbols to themselves, they're not being forced by the government

android sophia says NOT allowing trans people to brand themselves with the symbols that highlight their otherness counts...??

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Stage 3 - Discrimination. Again, we're long past this step. Transgender folks have been fighting for their rights for years. Until recently, we had to go through grueling processes to get gender affirming health care and also denied basic rights like our name changes. I've been a personal victim of this multiple times, and I know many others who are.

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Discrimination – The dominant group denies civil rights or even citizenship to identified groups. The 1935 Nuremberg Laws stripped Jews of their German citizenship, made it illegal for them to do many jobs or to marry German non-Jews.

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A dominant group uses law, custom, and political power to deny the rights of other groups.  The powerless group may not be accorded full civil rights, voting rights, or even citizenship. The dominant group is driven by an exclusionary ideology that would deprive less powerful groups of their rights.  The ideology advocates monopolization or expansion of power by the dominant group.  It legitimizes the victimization of weaker groups. Advocates of exclusionary ideologies are often charismatic, expressing the resentments of their followers. Examples include the Nuremberg Laws of 1935 in Nazi Germany, which stripped Jews of their German citizenship, and prohibited their employment by the government and by universities.  Discrimination against native Americans and African-Americans was enshrined in the US Constitution until the post Civil War Amendments and mid-20th century laws to enforce them.  Denial of citizenship to the Rohingya Muslim minority in Myanmar led to genocide in 2017 and the displacement of over a million refugees.

give this one a maybe, but it applies to literally everything

there's a genocide against smokers because dominant groups of non-smokers keep screeching about how it affects their health, and they keep removing rights of people to smoke indoors or place age restrictions on it to oppress the smoking minority

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Stage 4 - Dehumanization. The Republican party does this on the regular. The media engages in this. They use terms like "gender critical" and "transgenderism", referring to us as a plague or a trend. There's also the completely made up "rapid-onset gender dysphoria" term.

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Dehumanisation – Those perceived as ‘different’ are treated with no form of human rights or personal dignity. During the Genocide against the Tutsi in Rwanda, Tutsis were referred to as ‘cockroaches’; the Nazis referred to Jews as ‘vermin’.

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One group denies the humanity of the other group. Members of it are equated with animals, vermin, insects or diseases. Dehumanization overcomes the normal human revulsion against murder. At this stage, hate propaganda in print, on hate radios, and in social media is used to vilify the victim group. It may even be incorporated into school textbooks. Indoctrination prepares the way for incitement. The majority group is taught to regard the other group as less than human, and even alien to their society. They are indoctrinated to believe that “ We are better off without them.”  The powerless group can become so depersonalized that they are actually given numbers rather than names, as Jews were in the death camps.  They are equated with filth, i​m​purity, and immorality.  Hate speech fills the propaganda of official radio, newspapers, and speeches.

literally the opposite is happening, trans acceptance has been incorporated into school textbooks, which...if this is the truth being taught, implies that people who believe the opposite are at minimum deniers of science and should probably be vilified

which group is powerless? which group is having their viewpoint written out of textbooks?

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Stage 5 - Organization. 2600 Pages of Hate - A collection of leaked emails from anti-trans expert witnesses, right wing lawmakers, and conservative legal groups. We actually had a thread here on Era about this one.

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Organisation – Genocides are always planned. Regimes of hatred often train those who go on to carry out the destruction of a people.

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Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) Special army units or militias are often trained and armed. Plans are made for genocidal killings.   Genocide often occurs during civil or international wars.  Arms flows to states and militias (even in violation of UN Arms Embargoes) facilitate acts of genocide.  States organize secret police to spy on, arrest, torture, and murder people suspected of opposition to political leaders. Motivations for targeting a group are indoctrinated through mass media and special training for murderous militias, death squads, and special army killing units like the Nazi Einsaztgruppen, which murdered 1.5 million Jews in Eastern Europe.

so...the "2600 pages of hate" does not actually constitute any of the above in the least

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Stage 6 - Polarisation. The UK media is full of this, especially the BBC. In the US, Fox News regularly spreads propaganda to spread and incite messages of hatred about Transgender people. The rest of the US media doesn't exactly try to fight back against this, for the most part.

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Polarisation – Propaganda begins to be spread by hate groups. The Nazis used the newspaper Der Stürmer to spread and incite messages of hate about Jewish people.

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Extremists drive the groups apart. Hate groups broadcast polarizing propaganda. Laws may forbid intermarriage or social interaction. Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed.  Leaders in targeted groups are the next to be arrested and murdered. The dominant group passes emergency laws or decrees that grants them total power over the targeted group.  The laws erode fundamental civil rights and liberties. Targeted groups are disarmed to make them incapable of self-defense, and to ensure that the dominant group has total control.

"laws may forbid intermarriage" gets to the heart of it: we're talking about non-jews being forbidden from marrying jews, it is explicitly an ethnicity/race thing

the republicanest republican right now wouldn't try to prevent all trans people from marrying any cis people, because self-ID makes the idea nonsense. if there's a trans romeo and cis juliet on opposite sides of this marriage wall, then juliet can just declare she's trans, and now the marginalized group is sticking to marrying within its classification

even if a crazy conservative wants this, it hasn't fucking happened yet, so this stage hasn't happened

"targeted groups are disarmed to make them incapable of self-defense," yeah there's not a high profile tragic recent event that would disprove this

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Stage 7 - Preparation. See the link above in Step 5. We've known for awhile this is manufactured hate.

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Preparation – Perpetrators plan the genocide. They often use euphemisms such as the Nazis’ phrase ‘The Final Solution’ to cloak their intentions. They create fear of the victim group, building up armies and weapons.

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National or perpetrator group leaders plan the “Final Solution” to the Jewish, Armenian, Tutsi or other targeted group “question.”  They often use euphemisms to cloak their intentions, such as referring to their goals as “ethnic cleansing,” “purification,” or “counter-terrorism.” They build armies, buy weapons and train their troops and militias.  They indoctrinate the populace with fear of the victim group.  Leaders often claim that “if we don’t kill them, they will kill us,” disguising genocide as self-defense.  There is a sudden increase in inflammatory rhetoric and hate propaganda with the objective of creating fear of the other group. Political processes such as peace accords that threaten the dominance of the ruling group through elections or prosecution for corruption may actually trigger genocide.

you know, plucking out the mildest terms from this like "somebody is trying to sow fear of my group" and saying that counts is just the slimiest thing

xbox users can probably say that about some playstation users

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Stage 8 - Persecution. I mentioned this earlier, but look at all the state laws that are either on the book, or very close to being on the book.
<<WE ARE HERE, IN BETWEEN STAGES 8 AND 9>>

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Persecution – Victims are identified because of their ethnicity or religion and death lists are drawn up. People are sometimes segregated into ghettos, deported or starved and property is often expropriated. Genocidal massacres begin.

I am not even going to quote the full text of this one because holy shit sophia

 :crazy



android sophia is being so charitable and generous to not try to claim that step 9 is happening so no need to talk about it, but oh it's the end goal, believe it!

also why didn't you list step 10, denial  ???


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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48232 on: April 21, 2023, 07:01:27 AM »
I imagine pedophiles are getting pretty tired of trans trying to bogart all the genocide

Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48233 on: April 21, 2023, 07:25:36 AM »
I find it fascinating , if this resolution passes then kids will die

Has no one told these activists that the world did not begin in 2010 ? Where were the mass dying of kids before this debate even started at a time when NO kid was allowed to transition , when kids transitioning was not even in the sub stream let alone main stream.

It’s ironic that once the discussion started , only then the kids started dying ? Don’t you find that convenient that since the Dawn of time no kids were seemingly impacted but because trans people want this to happen , if it doesn’t , kids start dying


Either that or kids transitioning is a personality fad that is affirmed by these nutjob activists basically affirming this fad as a permanent trait  by indoctrination …..


If only people thought outside their bubble

reposting my post from a couple of days ago. Resetera is unhinged

Uncle

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48234 on: April 21, 2023, 08:08:52 AM »


gee I wonder the fuck why

"wow this singer sounds overly attached"

"so stalkerish"

"this song is creepy, I love you, I NEED you?! dude, learn independence, you don't NEED anyone else, if you can't have her there will be others"

"why does this song need to use such gendered language, it's like you're making extra effort to turn off a big portion of your potential audience"

"if someone said these kind of things to me I would report them to HR"

 :doge
Uncle

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48235 on: April 21, 2023, 08:31:14 AM »

https://www.resetera.com/threads/unrecord-official-early-gameplay-trailer-bodycam-fps.710603/page-6#post-104501435


This thread is just soooooo US-centric that I feel like I’m actually turning into a cheeseburger and fries being attacked by an eagle reading it.

Propagandhim

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48236 on: April 21, 2023, 08:33:10 AM »
Edit: You know, I'm probably wrong about that

Top of the page propagandhim being wrong

Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48237 on: April 21, 2023, 08:43:12 AM »
SeaSilver still alive in the latest genocide thread, what a champion.

What we need to know is which mod is transphobic and is letting that one slide.

Daffy Duck

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48238 on: April 21, 2023, 08:55:22 AM »
The irony is that nepnep and friends chased away most of the actual artists on ResetEra.

If you don’t draw Daffy Duck fucking Porky Pig are you even an artist? :ufup ::)

I did not have sexual relations with that pig, Mr. Porky.

joeboy101

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48239 on: April 21, 2023, 09:01:07 AM »
SeaSilver still alive in the latest genocide thread, what a champion.

What we need to know is which mod is transphobic and is letting that one slide.

Nooo, that’s in agreement there. They want to use them as a lightning rod and a Potemkin poster they point to, “See! We don’t ban dissenters!”

And then quietly go back in a week and perm them after letting TransEra run a metaphorical train on their ass.

It’s telling though they found time to ban the poster of Jewish dissent.

 :thinking :thinking