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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48480 on: April 23, 2023, 07:00:31 PM »
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« Reply #48481 on: April 23, 2023, 07:03:58 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/phil-jackson-has-not-watched-the-nba-for-a-while-%E2%80%A6-cuz-he-racist.711848/page-2#post-104596139

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48482 on: April 23, 2023, 07:16:57 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fucking-weirdest-fanservice-shit-in-games.711896/

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48484 on: April 23, 2023, 10:57:14 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/yes-it-is-trans-genocide-a-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today.711593/page-2#post-104610956

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I can't know people's true intentions, but most of the time I think it's just ignorance - it's tricky to know how to respectfully disagree about something as intense as what constitutes genocide in the hypothetical situation in which those people are correct. But they aren't, by the comprehensive definitions expressed in the OP. Passing laws denying the very nature of a group of human beings and banning well-researched treatments that they need to exist is unequivocally genocidal.

It's horribly reminiscent of Canada's residential schools: "kill the Indian in the child"; "kill the transgender in the child". Commit abuse and denial of personhood while trying to make people something they aren't and destroying who we know they are.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48485 on: April 23, 2023, 11:13:55 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/yes-it-is-trans-genocide-a-faq-and-what-you-can-do-about-it-today.711593/page-2#post-104610956

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Commit abuse and denial of personhood while trying to make people something they aren't and destroying who we know they are.
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« Reply #48486 on: April 24, 2023, 12:53:11 AM »
when an incel can't get pussy. they go trans and become a "lesbian", but have no interest in other trans women. if they want to be seen the same as natural born women, why won't they fuck and date each other?  :society

Based on the videos I’ve watched for research purposes, they most definitely fuck each other :society
that's just gay for pay with sissy sluts  :iface
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« Reply #48487 on: April 24, 2023, 01:38:32 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/diane-abbott-suspended-by-labour-party-after-writing-bizarre-letter-claiming-jews-dont-suffer-racism.711797/page-3#post-104598620

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Forgive me if you feel I’m wrong but isn’t she just saying racism can only occur for acts against a race?
Judaism is a religion so jews haven’t gone through racism but prejudice against their religion.
Both racism and prejudice can have the same impact but the wording is just semantics.
She isn’t saying that Jews weren’t persecuted against but that persecution was prejudice not racism as Jews aren’t a race.

Race in human beings is not the same as animals. People are not wrong when they said it is mostly a social construct, that’s why is so exasperating when Identity Politics give so much emphasis to physical differences to the point of sounding Victorian.

he probably mostly got banned for claiming that the difference between racism and prejudice is "just semantics", because if it's just semantics then that means saying "i deplore YTs" makes you a bad person instead of a virtuous person and i don't think nepnep liked the implications of that  :yeshrug

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48488 on: April 24, 2023, 02:12:09 AM »
when an incel can't get pussy. they go trans and become a "lesbian", but have no interest in other trans women. if they want to be seen the same as natural born women, why won't they fuck and date each other?  :society

Based on the videos I’ve watched for research purposes, they most definitely fuck each other :society
that's just gay for pay with sissy sluts  :iface

Bigot  :ufup
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48489 on: April 24, 2023, 02:34:27 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%98horizon-forbidden-west-burning-shores%E2%80%99-shows-metacritic-must-curb-review-bombing-spoilers-for-dlc.711857/page-4
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The weirdest part is that she does have armor sets that show off her midriff. One of which can genuinely glitch out and reveal that she apparently has fully modeled nipples. (Btw to any dev reading this there's genuinely no reason to do something like that)
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48490 on: April 24, 2023, 02:41:10 AM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48491 on: April 24, 2023, 02:41:19 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%98horizon-forbidden-west-burning-shores%E2%80%99-shows-metacritic-must-curb-review-bombing-spoilers-for-dlc.711857/page-4
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(Btw to any dev reading this there's genuinely no reason to do something like that)
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48492 on: April 24, 2023, 03:21:44 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/koko-da-doll-star-of-transgender-sex-worker-documentary-shot-and-killed-in-atlanta.711623/
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My partner herself is one, so this seriously hits very hard. This is terrifying, and more reason for any trans person to be justified to be armed if they feel so.
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It's genocide. The word is not hyperbole.

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I'm so sorry Koko. I'm so sorry to the trans community. You truly deserve better.
I'm starting to believe this user developed a trans fetish because I've never seen them active in trans posts til recently.  Of course Ree doesn't care for only 20 posts.

Only 20 posts

:no1curr  :elon

Soooo, his partner is a hooker? Or black trans person? Or both?
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48493 on: April 24, 2023, 03:24:25 AM »
NothingLoud, the 40+ year old man that can't seem to get out of college, has taken it upon himself to discern and recruit "experts" on fucking Resetera... via credentialism.  :dead  What the fuck, go do something useful and find real people and a real medium if this is your pet project.  Is this a joke?  The forum filled with people who can't take the word, "spastic"?  Dude, you can't brag about your credentials and expertise and have your staging ground for an expert AI research report be the spare, rundown soccer field at the special olympics.
How are people supposed to take NothingLoud seriously when he ree at a 21 year old immigrant who laughed at him for weeb stuff :lol
Wait, are you taking about Nothing Loud or someone on thebore?
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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48494 on: April 24, 2023, 03:39:25 AM »

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« Reply #48495 on: April 24, 2023, 04:06:17 AM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.
There's no way Atlanta has 300 murders per month. Per year maybe...

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« Reply #48496 on: April 24, 2023, 04:08:09 AM »
I’ll freely admit I’m out of touch with what the youth is into, but my vague picture of Lizzo is somebody with a finger in every culture war pie. Is it some plant or is she known for something? Is it a TikTok thing? A week ago she was on Star Wars (or Trek?). There was some shit about a flute? Every week there’s a new story about her and that nike and beer person. We’re cycling these two stories over and over. It’s become formulaic. Was ubisoft involved with this simulation?

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48497 on: April 24, 2023, 04:18:07 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/%E2%80%98horizon-forbidden-west-burning-shores%E2%80%99-shows-metacritic-must-curb-review-bombing-spoilers-for-dlc.711857/page-4
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The weirdest part is that she does have armor sets that show off her midriff. One of which can genuinely glitch out and reveal that she apparently has fully modeled nipples. (Btw to any dev reading this there's genuinely no reason to do something like that)
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They rendered her peach fuzz and they're surprised at this?
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« Reply #48498 on: April 24, 2023, 04:43:03 AM »
I’ll freely admit I’m out of touch with what the youth is into, but my vague picture of Lizzo is somebody with a finger in every culture war pie. Is it some plant or is she known for something? Is it a TikTok thing? A week ago she was on Star Wars (or Trek?). There was some shit about a flute? Every week there’s a new story about her and that nike and beer person. We’re cycling these two stories over and over. It’s become formulaic. Was ubisoft involved with this simulation?

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« Reply #48499 on: April 24, 2023, 05:26:53 AM »
if adopted by the Government, would see many trans and non-binary people here faced with a choice of either having to detransition or leave the country if we wish to continue living and integrating with society. It would, by law, remove our ability to use spaces aligned to our gender (from bathrooms to book clubs and everything inbetween), in addition to trans women losing the right to report instances of misogyny and sex discrimination in the workplace.

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I have converted the letter I sent to my MP into a template for anyone to use. It is written from the perspective of a cisgender person and uses the term 'transgender' as opposed to 'trans' throughout to create some perceived distance, all to help avoid an easy dismissal as this having come from a 'trans rights activist'.

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« Reply #48500 on: April 24, 2023, 05:29:59 AM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.
There's no way Atlanta has 300 murders per month. Per year maybe...

170 homicides in Atlanta 2022

32 trans people died in U.S in 2022 (pinknews)
26,031 non-trans homicides in 2021 (can't find 2022)
So if 0.5% of population is trans and the murder rates was equal, you'd expect to see about 130 trans homicides
And that 32 includes gender nonconforming, so whether they should be included as trans who knows

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide

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Transgender genocide or trans genocide is a term used by scholars and activists to describe an elevated level of systematic discrimination and violence against transgender people.[citation needed]

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48501 on: April 24, 2023, 05:53:11 AM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/action-movies-with-dope-female-main-characters.711953/

wow, look at all these alt-right gamergater chuds not recognising The Walt Disney Corporations™ Marvel Cinematic Universes© Captain Marvel® as the first female action hero :wag

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« Reply #48502 on: April 24, 2023, 05:57:28 AM »
The issue in question here is (spoilers for Burning Shores follow) that Aloy finally gets a romance, and can share a kiss with another woman, Seyka. Even though it was already established Aloy's genetic ancestor Elisabet was a lesbian, this reveal still managed to surprise some "fans" who believe it's "pandering" for PlayStation to reveal its second lead female as a lesbian (the first being Ellie from The Last of Us).

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« Reply #48503 on: April 24, 2023, 06:19:53 AM »
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Beware the well-intentioned demands for a sticky though, as from past experience it's the easiest way to have your thread ignored and traffic reduced.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/request-to-uk-era-please-contact-your-mp-about-the-threats-to-trans-people-template-inside.711788/

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48504 on: April 24, 2023, 06:34:20 AM »
It’s amazing how much they turned off almost everyone who was sympathetic to their cause by being hostile, hyperbolic, insufferable assholes.
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« Reply #48505 on: April 24, 2023, 06:36:31 AM »
It’s amazing how much they turned off almost everyone who was sympathetic to their cause by being hostile, hyperbolic, insufferable assholes.

what do you base this on? there isn't a single post I can find on era that expresses being turned off, turned away, frustrated or angry  :doggy
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« Reply #48506 on: April 24, 2023, 06:44:09 AM »
It’s amazing how much they turned off almost everyone who was sympathetic to their cause by being hostile, hyperbolic, insufferable assholes.

what do you base this on? there isn't a single post I can find on era that expresses being turned off, turned away, frustrated or angry  :doggy

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« Reply #48507 on: April 24, 2023, 07:52:54 AM »
Does Aloy's DLC girlfriend play with her modeled nipples? Might have to get the DLC if she does.

The game was shit, but I did like going into photo mode to gawk at her tits. Horizon: Forbidden Chest. :)

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48509 on: April 24, 2023, 08:51:56 AM »
$20 donation to any women’s right org if someone posts this on era in a trans thread


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« Reply #48510 on: April 24, 2023, 09:12:54 AM »
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Beware the well-intentioned demands for a sticky though, as from past experience it's the easiest way to have your thread ignored and traffic reduced.

https://www.resetera.com/threads/request-to-uk-era-please-contact-your-mp-about-the-threats-to-trans-people-template-inside.711788/

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Wouldn't most spam filters just throw all these emails in the bin since it's a copy paste?

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« Reply #48511 on: April 24, 2023, 09:15:02 AM »
$20 donation to any women’s right org if someone posts this on era in a trans thread

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« Reply #48512 on: April 24, 2023, 09:38:25 AM »
$20 donation to any women’s right org if someone posts this on era in a trans thread

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« Reply #48513 on: April 24, 2023, 10:09:22 AM »
I used to love coffee too, but I can't have it since it got me food poisoning once years ago, even if I still miss it and love the aroma.

How the fuck do you get food poisoning from coffee  ???

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« Reply #48515 on: April 24, 2023, 10:14:49 AM »
I used to love coffee too, but I can't have it since it got me food poisoning once years ago, even if I still miss it and love the aroma.

How the fuck do you get food poisoning from coffee  ???

"Quick answer: Yes, indeed it is possible to get food poisoning from coffee. When there is mold growth it usually means that the coffee wasn’t properly dried properly and the consumption of such coffee can lead to food poisoning."

Better not only wash your chicken, but give your coffee beans a nice scrub as well.

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« Reply #48516 on: April 24, 2023, 10:19:13 AM »
I used to love coffee too, but I can't have it since it got me food poisoning once years ago, even if I still miss it and love the aroma.

How the fuck do you get food poisoning from coffee  ???

I thought for a second this might have been that poster that can give themselves a fever.


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« Reply #48517 on: April 24, 2023, 10:25:05 AM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.
There's no way Atlanta has 300 murders per month. Per year maybe...

170 homicides in Atlanta 2022

32 trans people died in U.S in 2022 (pinknews)
26,031 non-trans homicides in 2021 (can't find 2022)
So if 0.5% of population is trans and the murder rates was equal, you'd expect to see about 130 trans homicides
And that 32 includes gender nonconforming, so whether they should be included as trans who knows

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transgender_genocide

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Transgender genocide or trans genocide is a term used by scholars and activists to describe an elevated level of systematic discrimination and violence against transgender people.[citation needed]

In the "See Also" portion:

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White genocide conspiracy theory

Also, from a Jan 2023 study posted to JAMA:

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Previous research11,16-18,20,21,28 has found mortality from external causes is 2 to 19 times higher in TGD persons than cisgender persons. When we compared all TGD people combined with cisgender people, we saw 3 to 5 times greater increased mortality from suicide or homicide and 2 to 5 times increased mortality from accidental poisonings. However, when we separately compared transfeminine individuals and transmasculine individuals with cisgender persons, we found an increased risk of external causes of death compared with cisgender women only. Historically, across all age groups, cisgender women have had lower mortality rates due to external causes of death compared with cisgender men.29 De Blok et al11 found a 3- to 7-fold increased risk of suicide among transgender women compared with cisgender people, but no significant increase among transgender men. Forty-one percent of TGD respondents in the US National Transgender Discrimination Survey reported attempting suicide, a proportion much greater than the 5% of US adults and the 10% to 20% of lesbian, gay, and bisexual adults who reported ever attempting suicide.4 Factors associated with suicide attempts included experiencing minority stress related to comorbid health conditions, alienation from family, and experiencing discrimination or marginalization at school or work or when accessing health care.

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The murder of TGD people has been increasing globally, particularly for transgender women, who account for 96% of homicides among TGD people.

It's important to understand the actual context behind the statistically provable increased rate of mortality for Trans folk.

1) A large portion of that increase is due to increased risk of death by suicide
2) The increase due to external factors is only found when compared against the population of Cis women
3) 96% of homicides in the Trans community are in Trans women (MTF)
4) 58% of trans people murdered are sex workers
5) There is a greater risk of alcohol abuse, HIV, and accidental overdose among the trans population
6) There is some limited evidence to indicate that long term hormone replacement therapy can lead to a small but statistically significant increase in mortality

You can play with the statistics in many ways but there are a few things that immediately jump out when looking at an overview.

1) The murder rate among sex workers is ~200% greater than the general population
2) The suicide rate among men is higher than the general population (importantly, the suicide rate among Trans men is lower than cis Men or Trans Women, being nearly the same as cis women)

All of the indications above lead me to believe that the increase in mortality is not caused by an organized effort to commit genocide against the population, but by an overall increase in the prevalence of mental illness, the "minority stress model", and statistical tricks that compare a population that is made up of mostly biologically male Trans women to the population of cis people. Men, in general, have a greater risk of mortality already. If you isolate the FTM Trans male population you find that their mortality rate, while higher, is not nearly has high as the MTF Trans woman population.

I don't think the activist community is necessarily ignoring the root causes of trans mortality, statistics show that gender affirming care reduces risk of death by suicide by a fair amount (it doesn't bring the population back to the mean cis population however), but it does obfuscate the actual causes of the increase in mortality by associating it with anti-Trans social and political causes.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48518 on: April 24, 2023, 10:42:09 AM »
I will personally genocide careposters.
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« Reply #48519 on: April 24, 2023, 10:51:17 AM »
Pogi post if you're ok

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« Reply #48520 on: April 24, 2023, 11:00:33 AM »
I will personally genocide careposters.

a recent study confirmed a 0% mortality rate among careposters on niche internet forums over the past year (+/- 2%)
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« Reply #48521 on: April 24, 2023, 11:24:14 AM »
I will personally genocide careposters.

You have my pronoun.

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Re: Other Forums Containment Thread
« Reply #48522 on: April 24, 2023, 11:30:56 AM »
I'm reporting every one of you to the UN

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« Reply #48523 on: April 24, 2023, 11:43:11 AM »
The UN is the ultimate careposter when you think about it :thinking

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« Reply #48524 on: April 24, 2023, 12:17:51 PM »
So trans genocide is happening because of that one infographic that we should hold as gospel for some reason. But also we should ignore the stages and things can apparently just happen randomly at any stage, despite the fact that the stages are numbered with arrows showing a clear linear progression. But also we should just completely ignore the actual descriptions for each stages, because then we can ignore the fact that there are no trans ghettos, trans people having their property seized, death lists being written, or even any actual deaths caused by the government. But also literally nobody can even agrees what stage(s) we're on, have passed, or are approaching. But also you're literally evil and committing genocide if you think this doesn't make any sense on any level. Did I get that right? :doge

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« Reply #48525 on: April 24, 2023, 12:28:09 PM »
statistics show that gender affirming care reduces risk of death by suicide by a fair amount (it doesn't bring the population back to the mean cis population however), but it does obfuscate the actual causes of the increase in mortality by associating it with anti-Trans social and political causes.

from what I understand it seems to reduce it within a year or two, or at least those receiving it report feeling better over that time frame, but mortality starts becoming a concern 10 years after receiving gender affirming care, particularly among mtf who received surgery, and only gets worse after that

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

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The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up. The cause-specific mortality from suicide was much higher in sex-reassigned persons, compared to matched controls. Mortality due to cardiovascular disease was moderately increased among the sex-reassigned, whereas the numerically increased risk for malignancies was borderline statistically significant.



also, in 2016, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services re-evaluated whether SRS should be covered, and they refused on the basis that all studies lack compelling evidence that it really helps anyone

https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=Y&NCAId=282

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Based on a thorough review of the clinical evidence available at this time, there is not enough evidence to determine whether gender reassignment surgery improves health outcomes for Medicare beneficiaries with gender dysphoria. There were conflicting (inconsistent) study results – of the best designed studies, some reported benefits while others reported harms. The quality and strength of evidence were low due to the mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, potential confounding and small sample sizes. Many studies that reported positive outcomes were exploratory type studies (case-series and case-control) with no confirmatory follow-up. Due in part to the generally younger and healthier study participants, the generalizability of the studies to the Medicare population is also unclear. Additional research is needed. This proposed conclusion is consistent with the West Midlands Health Technology Assessment Collaboration (2009) that reported “[f]urther research is needed but must use more sophisticated designs with comparison groups.” WPATH also noted the need for further research: “More studies are needed that focus on the outcomes of current assessment and treatment approaches for gender dysphoria.”

https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=N&NCAId=282&bc=ACAAAAAAQAAA&

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Overall, the quality and strength of evidence were low due to mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, subjective endpoints, potential confounding (a situation where the association between the intervention and outcome is influenced by another factor such as a co-intervention), small sample sizes, lack of validated assessment tools, and considerable lost to follow-up.

("lost to follow-up" can mean suicide, in which case you can't really ask them how satisfied they were following the surgery)

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Of the 33 studies reviewed, published results were conflicting – some were positive; others were negative. Collectively, the evidence is inconclusive for the Medicare population. The majority of studies were non-longitudinal, exploratory type studies (i.e., in a preliminary state of investigation or hypothesis generating), or did not include concurrent controls or testing prior to and after surgery. Several reported positive results but the potential issues noted above reduced strength and confidence. After careful assessment, we identified six studies that could provide useful information (Figure 1). Of these, the four best designed and conducted studies that assessed quality of life before and after surgery using validated (albeit non-specific) psychometric studies did not demonstrate clinically significant changes or differences in psychometric test results after GRS.

their assessment of the swedish study:

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The study identified increased mortality and psychiatric hospitalization compared to the matched controls. The mortality was primarily due to completed suicides (19.1-fold greater than in control Swedes), but death due to neoplasm and cardiovascular disease was increased 2 to 2.5 times as well. We note, mortality from this patient population did not become apparent until after 10 years. The risk for psychiatric hospitalization was 2.8 times greater than in controls even after adjustment for prior psychiatric disease (18%). The risk for attempted suicide was greater in male-to-female patients regardless of the gender of the control.
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« Reply #48526 on: April 24, 2023, 12:35:58 PM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.
There's no way Atlanta has 300 murders per month. Per year maybe...


The table I looked up was very confusing fuck you OK?

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« Reply #48528 on: April 24, 2023, 12:46:17 PM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.
There's no way Atlanta has 300 murders per month. Per year maybe...


The table I looked up was very confusing fuck you OK?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:stahp
[close]

the population of Atlanta is about 496,461

with 300 murders per month, it will only take 137.9 years for every citizen in Atlanta to be murdered, at which point the last living resident (likely the chief murderer) will kill himself and put an end to our national nightmare
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« Reply #48529 on: April 24, 2023, 01:13:58 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/mattel-x-hasbro-enter-licensing-pact.712232/

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Transformer Barbie when?


This caught me off guard. :lol

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« Reply #48530 on: April 24, 2023, 01:31:35 PM »
I don't think the activist community is necessarily ignoring the root causes of trans mortality, statistics show that gender affirming care reduces risk of death by suicide by a fair amount (it doesn't bring the population back to the mean cis population however), but it does obfuscate the actual causes of the increase in mortality by associating it with anti-Trans social and political causes.

Do you have links to this, because AFAIK, the reason a lot of countries are dialling back on this as best practice is because what little research there is shows there is no real difference between suicide rates whether clinicians use the gender affirming model or not, and things like patients attendance for follow ups also has no real difference between using an affirmation model or not.

e:
To be clear, the "gender afirmation model" specifically refers to a clinician taking the "Yes, and..." approach and assuming everyone who shows up saying "I'm trans" definitely is and to start treatment immediately accordingly, in comparison to the prior best practice which was to ascertain if a patient was indeed trans before commencing any medical treatment (and often this was in conjunction with non medical treatments, such as living fully as their identified gender for a period of acclimation prior to any treatments beginning and things like counselling sessions).
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« Reply #48531 on: April 24, 2023, 01:41:48 PM »


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Transformer Barbie when?



That’s pretty transphobic NGL
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« Reply #48532 on: April 24, 2023, 01:48:21 PM »
Even uses the word "relatively".    Amazing.

if I remember right if you look at stats for trans people in the US and UK, when it comes to being attacked/murdered it's safer to be trans than almost any other demographic



if I were to guess as to why, it'd be that the act of being trans requires a certain amount of privilege, i.e. if you're just struggling to survive and at risk of violence you don't have time to think about your gender identity

also you're more likely to have become trans through online communities and are thus terminally online/a homebody yourself, less of a social butterfly out in the world/traveling where potentially dangerous shit happens

Just look at the stats from Atlanta above. The current genocide over there is progressing at a rate of <1 per month.

Assuming there is no major bias in Atlanta, the average % of the US population that identifies as transgender is ~0.5%. With about 300 total murders per month, statistically there should be 1.5 transgender person murdered each month in Atlanta.
There's no way Atlanta has 300 murders per month. Per year maybe...


The table I looked up was very confusing fuck you OK?

spoiler (click to show/hide)
:stahp
[close]

the population of Atlanta is about 496,461

with 300 murders per month, it will only take 137.9 years for every citizen in Atlanta to be murdered, at which point the last living resident (likely the chief murderer) will kill himself and put an end to our national nightmare

Fuck you too :stahp

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« Reply #48533 on: April 24, 2023, 01:48:48 PM »
https://www.resetera.com/threads/fucking-weirdest-fanservice-shit-in-games.711896/

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Is this another why women criticized thread?

Yes. Starts reasonable enough with some people facepalming at cringe Nintendo shit, but quickly turns into typical hardcore puritanism.

Also Crossing Eden still whines about Quiet in MGSV :neogaf Dude got banned on old GAF for derailing every Metal Gear thread with the exact same tirade and he's still doing it like 10 years later.

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« Reply #48534 on: April 24, 2023, 01:53:47 PM »
I hear Kojima called her Quiet because women should just shut the fuck up and get back in the kitchen.


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« Reply #48536 on: April 24, 2023, 02:03:32 PM »
Place your bets ladies and gents -

https://www.resetera.com/threads/serious-is-it-ok-to-talk-about-mental-health-issues-from-an-african-american-male-standpoint.712265/

Will the trans mob attempt to derail and take over, or will Kyuuji slither off and create the exact same thread but for trans?



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« Reply #48537 on: April 24, 2023, 02:54:59 PM »
statistics show that gender affirming care reduces risk of death by suicide by a fair amount (it doesn't bring the population back to the mean cis population however), but it does obfuscate the actual causes of the increase in mortality by associating it with anti-Trans social and political causes.

from what I understand it seems to reduce it within a year or two, or at least those receiving it report feeling better over that time frame, but mortality starts becoming a concern 10 years after receiving gender affirming care, particularly among mtf who received surgery, and only gets worse after that

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

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The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up. The cause-specific mortality from suicide was much higher in sex-reassigned persons, compared to matched controls. Mortality due to cardiovascular disease was moderately increased among the sex-reassigned, whereas the numerically increased risk for malignancies was borderline statistically significant.

(Image removed from quote.)

also, in 2016, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services re-evaluated whether SRS should be covered, and they refused on the basis that all studies lack compelling evidence that it really helps anyone

https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=Y&NCAId=282

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Based on a thorough review of the clinical evidence available at this time, there is not enough evidence to determine whether gender reassignment surgery improves health outcomes for Medicare beneficiaries with gender dysphoria. There were conflicting (inconsistent) study results – of the best designed studies, some reported benefits while others reported harms. The quality and strength of evidence were low due to the mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, potential confounding and small sample sizes. Many studies that reported positive outcomes were exploratory type studies (case-series and case-control) with no confirmatory follow-up. Due in part to the generally younger and healthier study participants, the generalizability of the studies to the Medicare population is also unclear. Additional research is needed. This proposed conclusion is consistent with the West Midlands Health Technology Assessment Collaboration (2009) that reported “[f]urther research is needed but must use more sophisticated designs with comparison groups.” WPATH also noted the need for further research: “More studies are needed that focus on the outcomes of current assessment and treatment approaches for gender dysphoria.”

https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=N&NCAId=282&bc=ACAAAAAAQAAA&

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Overall, the quality and strength of evidence were low due to mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, subjective endpoints, potential confounding (a situation where the association between the intervention and outcome is influenced by another factor such as a co-intervention), small sample sizes, lack of validated assessment tools, and considerable lost to follow-up.

("lost to follow-up" can mean suicide, in which case you can't really ask them how satisfied they were following the surgery)

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Of the 33 studies reviewed, published results were conflicting – some were positive; others were negative. Collectively, the evidence is inconclusive for the Medicare population. The majority of studies were non-longitudinal, exploratory type studies (i.e., in a preliminary state of investigation or hypothesis generating), or did not include concurrent controls or testing prior to and after surgery. Several reported positive results but the potential issues noted above reduced strength and confidence. After careful assessment, we identified six studies that could provide useful information (Figure 1). Of these, the four best designed and conducted studies that assessed quality of life before and after surgery using validated (albeit non-specific) psychometric studies did not demonstrate clinically significant changes or differences in psychometric test results after GRS.

their assessment of the swedish study:

Quote
The study identified increased mortality and psychiatric hospitalization compared to the matched controls. The mortality was primarily due to completed suicides (19.1-fold greater than in control Swedes), but death due to neoplasm and cardiovascular disease was increased 2 to 2.5 times as well. We note, mortality from this patient population did not become apparent until after 10 years. The risk for psychiatric hospitalization was 2.8 times greater than in controls even after adjustment for prior psychiatric disease (18%). The risk for attempted suicide was greater in male-to-female patients regardless of the gender of the control.
Fuck, it just gets worse the more you read. Nothing about transitioning seems like a good idea, yet everyone allowed an opinion on this topic says we should transition people as children.
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« Reply #48538 on: April 24, 2023, 03:05:19 PM »
I love the "Serious:" tag

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« Reply #48539 on: April 24, 2023, 03:29:36 PM »
statistics show that gender affirming care reduces risk of death by suicide by a fair amount (it doesn't bring the population back to the mean cis population however), but it does obfuscate the actual causes of the increase in mortality by associating it with anti-Trans social and political causes.

from what I understand it seems to reduce it within a year or two, or at least those receiving it report feeling better over that time frame, but mortality starts becoming a concern 10 years after receiving gender affirming care, particularly among mtf who received surgery, and only gets worse after that

https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0016885

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The Kaplan-Meier curve (Figure 1) suggests that survival of transsexual persons started to diverge from that of matched controls after about 10 years of follow-up. The cause-specific mortality from suicide was much higher in sex-reassigned persons, compared to matched controls. Mortality due to cardiovascular disease was moderately increased among the sex-reassigned, whereas the numerically increased risk for malignancies was borderline statistically significant.

(Image removed from quote.)

also, in 2016, the Center for Medicare and Medicaid Services re-evaluated whether SRS should be covered, and they refused on the basis that all studies lack compelling evidence that it really helps anyone

https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=Y&NCAId=282

Quote
Based on a thorough review of the clinical evidence available at this time, there is not enough evidence to determine whether gender reassignment surgery improves health outcomes for Medicare beneficiaries with gender dysphoria. There were conflicting (inconsistent) study results – of the best designed studies, some reported benefits while others reported harms. The quality and strength of evidence were low due to the mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, potential confounding and small sample sizes. Many studies that reported positive outcomes were exploratory type studies (case-series and case-control) with no confirmatory follow-up. Due in part to the generally younger and healthier study participants, the generalizability of the studies to the Medicare population is also unclear. Additional research is needed. This proposed conclusion is consistent with the West Midlands Health Technology Assessment Collaboration (2009) that reported “[f]urther research is needed but must use more sophisticated designs with comparison groups.” WPATH also noted the need for further research: “More studies are needed that focus on the outcomes of current assessment and treatment approaches for gender dysphoria.”

https://www.cms.gov/medicare-coverage-database/view/ncacal-decision-memo.aspx?proposed=N&NCAId=282&bc=ACAAAAAAQAAA&

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Overall, the quality and strength of evidence were low due to mostly observational study designs with no comparison groups, subjective endpoints, potential confounding (a situation where the association between the intervention and outcome is influenced by another factor such as a co-intervention), small sample sizes, lack of validated assessment tools, and considerable lost to follow-up.

("lost to follow-up" can mean suicide, in which case you can't really ask them how satisfied they were following the surgery)

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Of the 33 studies reviewed, published results were conflicting – some were positive; others were negative. Collectively, the evidence is inconclusive for the Medicare population. The majority of studies were non-longitudinal, exploratory type studies (i.e., in a preliminary state of investigation or hypothesis generating), or did not include concurrent controls or testing prior to and after surgery. Several reported positive results but the potential issues noted above reduced strength and confidence. After careful assessment, we identified six studies that could provide useful information (Figure 1). Of these, the four best designed and conducted studies that assessed quality of life before and after surgery using validated (albeit non-specific) psychometric studies did not demonstrate clinically significant changes or differences in psychometric test results after GRS.

their assessment of the swedish study:

Quote
The study identified increased mortality and psychiatric hospitalization compared to the matched controls. The mortality was primarily due to completed suicides (19.1-fold greater than in control Swedes), but death due to neoplasm and cardiovascular disease was increased 2 to 2.5 times as well. We note, mortality from this patient population did not become apparent until after 10 years. The risk for psychiatric hospitalization was 2.8 times greater than in controls even after adjustment for prior psychiatric disease (18%). The risk for attempted suicide was greater in male-to-female patients regardless of the gender of the control.

Truthfully, I've only looked at a few studies comparing the rate of death by suicide between before and after Gender Affirming Care. I looked through the study you link to see if there was a comparison within the control group of trans people who went through sex re-assignment and those that didn't but couldn't find that comparison.

Is there an issue of survivorship bias among the data? Are outcomes for suicidality different in specific age groups? Are recent GAC models more effective at preventing suicidality than previous models?

I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual outcome for people who undergo GRS is a regression to the mean for trans suicidality, but if the suicidality is significantly affected in the short term then we can still view the GAC model as "effective" for treating symptoms but ineffective for long term care.