USA Politics Thread |OT| Cleaning up the town

[Tasty]

the latest thing I keep seeing everywhere that kinda pisses me off: the pervasive narrative that republicans want to end social security, or that killing it is imminent in current active GOP plans somehow

constant memes, comments and fearmingering across the internet e.g.

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I'd looked into this previously and it seemed like a whole lot of nothing but I just checked again:

https://www.google.com/search?q=are+republicans+really+trying+to+stop+social+security

the top link I get is washington post debunking it (but they're centrist so you can't trust them I guess), followed by an entire page of more fearmongering

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the wapo article out from under paywall: https://web.archive.org/web/20220927194723/https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/27/false-claim-that-senate-republicans-plan-end-social-security-medicare/

Now comes the latest iteration of this campaign attack. But it’s just as empty as the previous ones.

The main source of this accusation is a document issued by Sen. Rick Scott (R-Fla.), chair of the National Republican Senatorial Committee, which helps elect Republicans to the Senate. In February, Scott released a 60-page “11-point plan to rescue America” that offered 128 proposals.

Buried on Page 38, in a section on government restructuring, was one sentence: “All federal legislation sunsets in 5 years. If a law is worth keeping, Congress can pass it again.”

“Sunset” is inside-the-Beltway lingo. The Congressional Research Service offers this definition: “The sunset concept provides for programs and agencies to terminate automatically on a periodic basis unless explicitly renewed by law.” In theory, then, even a venerable program such as Social Security or Medicare would have to prove its worth all over again every five years, though neither was specifically mentioned.

Scott’s plan was almost immediately rejected by most Senate Republicans. Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (Ky.) was especially harsh.

“We will not have as part of our agenda a bill that raises taxes on half of the American people and sunsets Social Security and Medicare within five years,” McConnell told reporters March 1. “That will not be part of a Republican Senate majority agenda.”

not only that, the guy who supposedly wants to end social security seems to want to save it:

During an interview with Fox News on March 27, Scott was asked whether his plan could “potentially sunset programs like Medicare, Medicaid, and Social Security.” He dismissed that as “Democratic talking points” and said his proposal was intended to focus attention on how to deal with potential funding shortfalls in the future.

“No one that I know of wants to sunset Medicare or Social Security, but what we’re doing is we don’t even talk about it. Medicare goes bankrupt in four years. Social Security goes bankrupt in 12 years,” Scott said. “I think we ought to figure out how we preserve those programs. Every program that we care about, we ought to stop and take the time to preserve those programs.”

(It’s beyond the scope of this fact check, but Scott’s “bankrupt” language is exaggerated. Payments would continue but at reduced levels, according to the annual reports issued by the administrators of the programs’ trust funds. As we have noted before, Medicare’s Part A fund has, since 1970, been on the brink of going “broke” — but always manages to stay afloat.)

maybe he's fucking lying and insidiously saying he wants to save it when really given a moment's power over it would ax it immediately?

and there are also fake infographics floating around that claim to represent republican plans regarding social security:

https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-commitment-america-fake-graphic-727152796030

I don't trust most republican plans or sources, nor do they usually deserve defense or benefit of the doubt, but I'd like to be able to trust...literally anyone



I don't even think republicans value social security and probably are looking for ways to screw people out of it or raise the minimum age, I just don't think it's imminent and if it were true would be wildly unpopular even within their base

like come the fuck on, don't pounce on the tiniest thing you think you can exploit to spread FUD

Eh the GOP was trying to be cool with gays until recently. They toned down the repeal Roe comments for decades waiting for the right time to strike.

If they aren't talking about it, that's no guarantee they won't shift gears as soon as they think they have the votes.

[Occam]

Exactly. And their voters never learn.


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Post-ABC poll: House vote nearly split, GOP has edge on economy and turnout
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/06/midterms-poll-republicans-democrats/

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/hughhewitt/status/1589222237382807554

~48 hours to change hearts and minds

[Uncle]

Eh the GOP was trying to be cool with gays until recently. They toned down the repeal Roe comments for decades waiting for the right time to strike.

If they aren't talking about it, that's no guarantee they won't shift gears as soon as they think they have the votes.

I agree, but that's not the messaging

I would not have any problem if the prevailing narrative was "republicans have always been looking to cut social security, regardless of what they say you can expect them to work against it, keep them out of power to protect social security"

instead the message is "LOOK THEY ACTUALLY CAME OUT AND SAID THEY'RE GETTING RID OF IT!! THIS IS THEIR REAL 100% PLAN" which is not true

when republicans lie about democrats it makes them look just as bad for the same reasons, when they say shit like "the democrats want to put litterboxes in schools for furry students" and it's always been a dumb hoax, and we all point it out as a dumb lie

when the republicans don't actually have an explicitly stated plan to get rid of social security, we also have to point that out as a lie

[Occam]

The Republican party has no public plan for anything. They haven't had a party platform since 2020.
They offer no solutions to any problems (real or made up). A constant stream of manufactured outrage is enough to motivate their uneducated simpleton voters to keep voting against their own best interests. Combined with gerrymandering they have found the perfect formula how to gain and retain power despite representing a minority.

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/joeroganhq/status/1588880781975638016

My thoughts about filming a video of another tweet showing a video?

[benjipwns]

The Republican party has no public plan for anything. They haven't had a party platform since 2020.
They offer no solutions to any problems (real or made up). A constant stream of manufactured outrage is enough to motivate their uneducated simpleton voters to keep voting against their own best interests. Combined with gerrymandering they have found the perfect formula how to gain and retain power despite representing a minority.

I really think you should learn about American politics if you want to keep commenting so passionately on them. I'm not saying you can't keep going about like Nintex if that's what you want to do but you seem like someone who wants more than that.

[Himu]

The Republican party has no public plan for anything. They haven't had a party platform since 2020.
They offer no solutions to any problems (real or made up). A constant stream of manufactured outrage is enough to motivate their uneducated simpleton voters to keep voting against their own best interests. Combined with gerrymandering they have found the perfect formula how to gain and retain power despite representing a minority.

Why is everyone flocking to Florida and red states then?

Republican Party issues:

- Crime
- Economy
- Education
- Economic Opportunity
- Curating a society that doesn't teach its citizens to hate its country
- Lower taxes
- Putting a stop sign where the left is all gas, no brakes in terms of societal issues and culture
- Free speech and anti-censorship
- A good life - not a perfect one but opportunity to achieve a pretty good one

[Himu]

Right wingers don't understand data.

[benjipwns]

Republican Party issues:

- Economy
- Economic Opportunity
- Curating a society that doesn't teach its citizens to hate its country
- Lower taxes
- Free speech and anti-censorship

Not sure about all of these currently.

[Himu]

Republican Party issues:

- Economy
- Economic Opportunity
- Curating a society that doesn't teach its citizens to hate its country
- Lower taxes
- Free speech and anti-censorship

Not sure about all of these currently.

We will see. Whomever the next GOP Presidential candidate is they need to be as aspirational as possible to make the Democratic Party look even more weak, pathetic, accusatory, and victim-minded, un-American socialists.

It helps that the left keeps making GOP's case for them without doing much.

https://twitter.com/monitoringbias/status/1587864930065096704

https://twitter.com/RealDSchmidt/status/1588927681634017281

I personally think DeSantis has made a good case for the conservative position although he isn't perfect.

Have you seen this, Benji?

Some conservatives turn on Trump for attacking Ron DeSantis ahead of midterms: ‘What an idiot’

Conservative commentators who are typically Donald Trump's allies turned on the former president after he went after Republican Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis on Saturday.

Trump mocked DeSantis as "Ron DeSanctimonious" while discussing the 2024 Republican presidential primary at a rally in Pennsylvania. The pair is widely considered to be the top contenders for the Republican nomination, though DeSantis has offered no indication he intends to run. Commentators called out Trump for creating division in the ranks just three days before the midterm elections.

"DeSantis is an extremely effective conservative governor who has had real policy wins and real cultural wins. Trump isn’t going to be able to take this one down with a dumb nickname. He better have more than that up his sleeve," wrote Matt Walsh, a commentator at The Daily Wire and a leading voice among social conservatives.

"Also, nice job launching your public attack against the most popular conservative governor in America three days before the midterms when we’re all supposed to be showing a united front," he added.

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1589062635575685122

https://twitter.com/MattWalshBlog/status/1589062876945186817

https://twitter.com/roddreher/status/1589146046881730560

https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1589069494928179203

https://twitter.com/ben_kew/status/1589076322139402240

https://twitter.com/RealSaavedra/status/1589084223990018048

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/some-conservatives-turn-trump-attacking-ron-desantis-ahead-of-midterms-what-idiot

Republicans need to come to consensus, and once we do we will decide. However as of now, Ron is the only one that can beat Trump and I question Trump's chances in 2024. Though, to be fair, the reason he won in 2020 was because Republicans flipped and right now with momentum in the winds they'll likely flip back to GOP. Biden won by a hair. But I don't see Trump creating a 1980 style rout. I do with Ron.

[benjipwns]

DeSantis is a perfect example of how the Republicans aren't interested in the things I curated from your list.

[Himu]

I respectfully disagree. I greatly desire him to run for President.

Do you mind going through each point to articulate your perspective?

[benjipwns]

Not sure how you can claim to be for economic opportunity and low taxes when you want to impose high taxes on people who do business with people you don't like.

And DeSantis, like Texas, wants to use the government to censor speech.

[Uncle]

as far as wanting a culture that doesn't teach people to hate their own country, couldn't it be argued that progressivism and support for lgbt/diversity have become entrenched as part of the makeup of the country, so wanting any amount of that scrubbed means some level of hatred for what america stands for at this time

while democrats preach that america commits so many colonialist/interventionist sins and is the worst country for not having healthcare and being infested with racist whiteness, republicans seem to preach a love for america that includes casting dirty looks at neighbors who might have valid reasons for not feeling similarly, but are nonetheless just as core a part of america

it's like a desperate, performative, reactive love that only happens because the other guys aren't doing it and you have to do the opposite of what those guys are doing

[Uncle]

or is it some of that faulty logic, misquoted karl popper "ironically we must be intolerant of intolerance in order to be tolerant"

"ironically we must hate hatred of america in order to be loving"

[benjipwns]

That's more or less what I mean. You listen to MAGA describe America and it sounds like a failing shithole ("American carnage") too, they just hate different things about America. America's awesome, just because it's not perfect compared to some impossible standard doesn't mean it's just endless shit.

There's a rhetorical difference between Reagan/Obama and Carter/Trump.

[Nintex]

In voter interviews I've seen crime and drugs seem to be the main issues even more so than "the economy".
The crime is of course a direct result of the economic downturn. Few of them seem particularly invested or interested in the 2020 election or January 6th riot hearings.

As much as Trump, Obama and Biden and others want this to be about a different vision for America this election is first and foremost about issues close to home which in nearly all cases favors conservatives.

[benjipwns]

 

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/MeidasTouch/status/1588277846274809856

 

[Polident Hive]

Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.

[benjipwns]

Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

Very short term thinking. What happens when the Republicans win?

 

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[Nintex]

Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.

All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.

They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792
But can you blame them?

[Himu]

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

Like I said, the Democratic Party is no longer the party of upward mobility, aspiration, or positivity. It is a party of fear and Think As We Do.

[Himu]

Not sure how you can claim to be for economic opportunity and low taxes when you want to impose high taxes on people who do business with people you don't like.

And DeSantis, like Texas, wants to use the government to censor speech.

I think this is a singular example and yet it doesn't seem to dent people's opinion of him in Florida. On the contrary, I and others see it as a positive because I think increasingly the populace is growing tired of corporate social rhetoric being shoved in our faces. The reaction to Kyrie helps reinforce this, as well as what's going on in San Francisco. Disney tying itself to the education sexual/gender law, which is pretty popular in Florida - even among Democrats - was barking up the wrong tree.

Do you have any other examples?

Because:

Miami is becoming a tech hub

Florida's job growth outpaces the nation

DeSantis even has the capability of appeasing progressives with his nature conservancy policies

Florida students are outpacing their peers post-Pandemic

Comparing the conservative policies of Florida and the progressive policies of states like New York, it's pretty clear what works and what doesn't. Progressivism, much like its cousin socialism, doesn't work. Conservativism does. Conservative states were right on Covid. In the early of days of Covid I felt blue states were right but nope, red states won the long game and were correct about everything, include illiberal vaccine mandates.

What government censorship through speech has happened? The "Covid Whistleblower?" Is she really to be trusted? I don't think so. Florida IG found she had no real grounds.

Say what you will but what I'm seeing is that Ron DeSantis' conservatism works. He is a sharp leader, manages to evade media attacks on his character unlike Trump, leads (and wins) the culture war, keeps gender and sexuality extremists from getting to our kids, refuses to teach the anti-American CRT in Florida schools. Florida offers tons of economic freedom, opportunity, and jobs as well low taxes. It's win after win after win.

No, he's not perfect. I strongly disagree with his opinion on Muslims but there's hope in me that opinion can be changed.

DeSantis seems one of the few governors in this nation getting things done that the constituents actually give af about. Him and Polis. Unfortunately for Dems, Polis is gay and will never be elected because of that but his excellent composure, common sense policies, and speaking to every day American concerns  makes him the future of the Democratic Party - if they ever l earn to wise up and stop being re re's.

If Ron Desantis runs there's a lot of hope in me he could become the next Reagan. Here's hoping he brings America to a new age of prosperity. Unfortunately Trump just won't shut up and disappear and Ron is a good Republican who doesn't want to split the GOP vote so he won't run against him but DeSantis/Gabbard is my dream ticket. Maybe DeSantis/Haley. It'll be funny and beautiful if Republicans have the first female President. Libs will reeeeeeeeeeeeee so hard. Can't wait.

If I not for my love for four seasons, Florida would make a wonderful home.

[benjipwns]

What government censorship through speech has happened? The "Covid Whistleblower?" Is she really to be trusted? I don't think so. Florida IG found she had no real grounds.

No, not that, but the whole thing where he tried to ignore the First Amendment and allow the government to censor speech online.

And I never said anything about whether or not DeSantis' attacks on free speech were popular or not, of course threatening to retaliate against Disney's harmless speech is going to be popular with idiots.

Additionally, you said "Republicans" not DeSantis specifically but I haven't see anything from DeSantis that indicates he differs on being against economic opportunity and low taxes like Trump and the rest of MAGA.

[Potato]

Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.

All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.

They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792
But can you blame them?

As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...

• How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
• How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?

[benjipwns]

As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...

• How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
• How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?

Nobody cared about Trump not knowing or caring anything about the law before they elected him the first time, why would they care when he just confirmed what everyone already knew by thinking Pence could personally stop an election? The President wanting to ignore the law doesn't animate anybody because it's totally normal.

[Himu]

Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.

All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.

They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792
But can you blame them?

As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...

• How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
• How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?

You're starting to get it! You're starting to think like an American.

My man!

Americans have only two viable, real options. So if Dems are shit, Republicans are the only option. Likewise, if Republicans are shit, Democrats are our only option. Democrats historically are shit and refuse to soul search. They always end up blaming voters (i.e. "voting against their interests") than fixing their issues. Look at 2016 and their reaction to Trump winning. Initially it was met with,"are we the baddies?" type soul searching but quickly evolved into "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA".

As for Trump and J6, I mean. President Clinton lied UNDER OATH. W and Obama committed war crimes with zero punishment sans a reporters shoe thrown at Bush's face. Presidents always escape true repercussions so why care? What option do we have? Vote for the Democratic Party who blames everything on Russia and refuses any ounce of introspection?

[benjipwns]

Nobody cares about the January 6th committee because nobody gives a shit about Congressional hearings outside of the D.C. circles. It's not 1974. We've had endless years of BREAKING NEWS since 9/11 that has pretty much all been irrelevant, even the cable news junkies are tuning that out by now. Twitter still operates this way because Twitter is all about constantly freaking out about whatever thing you just saw, what that thing is is totally irrelevant you just need to LOSE YOUR SHIT ABOUT IT NOW NOW NOW NOW.

"Nobody cared about the Mueller Report because Bob Barr lied!" No, nobody cared about the Mueller Report for the same reason nobody cared about the 9/11 Commission Report or any other of the thousands of reports issued by the government constantly. "But you need to read the report, all the details are..." Exactly, shut up and go away weirdo, let me know when it's actually something important. "So, benji, you're really defending what..." No, I'm telling you why normal people don't give a shit about whatever shit you're amped up on at the moment that you've convinced yourself is very very important because all the very very important people are talking about it. And the minute you start lapsing into beltway speak about anything people stop listening because they've been taught that it's horseshit. Trump appeals to idiots because his gibberish doesn't sound like your gibberish. "But Trump was always hopping on the latest..." Yeah, but what was his message always? I'm amazing so of course I've got this under control. Didn't matter that he didn't because he said he did without saying that he voted for the resolution to introduce the document to create the committee to evaluate the measure before he voted against it. And just as importantly, the media opposed it instead of saying that this gibberish is really fucking important and everything ever from the next election to the next orbit of the Sun around the Earth depends on whether or not a vote to proceed to the floor for debate was held on this non-binding resolution to decide whether the cover on the report determining the range for a budget proposal should be off-white or pearl. "But this legislation and these speeches actually do..." And that's what people are hearing when they hear about them?

Don't make me tap the sign:
https://twitter.com/eigenrobot/status/967114911401652225

[Potato]

Speaking purely anecdotally, I’ve seen the rhetoric push people into apathy. Whether that means toward the Republic party, who can say. But it’s one vote less for Democrats, so.

So much of the media telling dems to vote isn’t like, have hope for the future, we’re building a better America, optimism. It’s shit like, Democracy will die if you don’t vote. We’re 10 seconds to midnight so vote to avert nuclear holocaust. Remember Hitler? Vote to prevent Satan from resurrecting his corpse. Lots of fear and prevention and typically what I’d associate with Republican ads. Trying to scare people into support.

I’m gonna do what I’ve always done. Vote blue. Then scribble Bob Dole Bob Dole Bob Dole on the margins.

All they have left is fear because nothing else worked and if the GOP wins that fear mongering will only increase.

They had hoped or rather were certain that the January 6th hearings would end Trump's political career once and for all.
I also think they're starting to believe their own narrative.

https://twitter.com/TPostMillennial/status/1589303777177505792
But can you blame them?

As an outsider, I have two observations/rhetorical questions about the US and 6 January...

• How mental is the electorate that it didn't end Trump's political career?
• How shite have the Dems been that it didn't end Trump's political career?

You're starting to get it! You're starting to think like an American.

My man!

Americans have only two viable, real options. So if Dems are shit, Republicans are the only option. Likewise, if Republicans are shit, Democrats are our only option. Democrats historically are shit and refuse to soul search. They always end up blaming voters (i.e. "voting against their interests") than fixing their issues. Look at 2016 and their reaction to Trump winning. Initially it was met with,"are we the baddies?" type soul searching but quickly evolved into "RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA RUSSIA".

As for Trump and J6, I mean. President Clinton lied UNDER OATH. W and Obama committed war crimes with zero punishment sans a reporters shoe thrown at Bush's face. Presidents always escape true repercussions so why care? What option do we have? Vote for the Democratic Party who blames everything on Russia and refuses any ounce of introspection?

I've always understood that your system of government is deeply flawed. Still confuses me why you don't have preferential voting.

[benjipwns]

I've always understood that your system of government is deeply flawed. Still confuses me why you don't have preferential voting.

Why would the two parties want that?

You have to remember that yours came about because the Country Party was effectively letting Labor beat the other two. We haven't had an effective third party since the Whigs collapsed after 1852 and the Democrats imploded in 1860 allowing the third party Republicans to become a majority party in the North. The two parties have since invested too much to allow another party into the mix, every election is too important to throw your vote away and personally all by yourself cause every Bad Thing that happens.

[Potato]

I've always understood that your system of government is deeply flawed. Still confuses me why you don't have preferential voting.

Why would the two parties want that?

For the sake of good government? But please see my first sentence for the answer to that rhetorical question.

[Himu]

Another reason no one gives a shit about J6 committee is besides hyper partisans is because Democrats have been the last six years finding ways to get Trump. From the Mueller Report to the first impeachment and second impeachment. At this point it comes across as a political stunt.

Also remember that Democrats championed the Floyd riots in summer of 2020. They guilt tripped people for wanting to go to the beach but made it out like it was safe to protest. BLM set up a police station on fire and tried to get into the White House, forcing the President into a bunker. So a bunch of people come into the session while it was going on, no one is killed, people monkey around. Why is one riot good but the other bad? Why is trying to get into White House to attempt to harm the President good but J6 bad? Isn't it the same shit? Yet zero accountability on the part of the left or the liberal news media about the BLM riots.

At this point, who gives a fuck? Dems blew their wad over and over and over and each time they used hyperbole or something to the point where when Trump has possible secret documents in Mar Lago's basement they start it up with TRUMP HAS NUCLEAR CODES!!!!!! It gets so biased you have no idea what's up, what's down, what's right or what's wrong. At that point you're forced into an apathy after the Party That Calls Wolf has shot its shot for the dozenth time since 2016. So you become numb to it and eventually think,"hmm, maybe Trump isn't so bad after all" and buy a MAGA hat because fuck you.

And all of this is precisely why he won to begin with. Because he says one thing and the media reacts another way. They said he mocked a disabled reporter but when you watch the actual video...nothing of the sort is happening. Likewise, on January 6 the dude flat out said "lets peacefully protest". So why do Americans not care? Because Democrats are retardes, incompetent, extremists that react to every little thing and force you to think their way until you no longer give a fuck.

Am I really supposed to trust the same media that said black people loot, white people "find" during Hurricane Katrina? The same media that said there were WMDs in Iraq? There's already entrenched, deeply legitimate skepticism towards the media. They make Trump a sympathetic figure. End of.

[benjipwns]

At that point you're forced into an apathy after the Party That Calls Wolf has shot its shot for the dozenth time since 2016. So you become numb to it and eventually think,"hmm, maybe Trump isn't so bad after all" and buy a MAGA hat because fuck you.

That'd make more sense if the Republicans hadn't spent the prior years ignoring Obama's crimes to focus on hyping irrelevant things too. They got the trifecta and did nothing regarding the Obama Administration. They haven't even promised to change!

[Himu]

At that point you're forced into an apathy after the Party That Calls Wolf has shot its shot for the dozenth time since 2016. So you become numb to it and eventually think,"hmm, maybe Trump isn't so bad after all" and buy a MAGA hat because fuck you.

That'd make more sense if the Republicans hadn't spent the prior years ignoring Obama's crimes to focus on hyping irrelevant things too. They got the trifecta and did nothing regarding the Obama Administration. They haven't even promised to change!

Hmm, okay. Fair enough.

[james]

Don't make me tap the sign:

Benji still reads Poliera

 

[benjipwns]

Don't make me tap the sign:

Benji still reads Poliera

wat

[Himu]

SAD.

The Atlantic - Democrats' Long Goodbye to the Working Class

As we move into the endgame of the 2022 election, the Democrats face a familiar problem. America’s historical party of the working class keeps losing working-class support. And not just among white voters. Not only has the emerging Democratic majority I once predicted failed to materialize, but many of the nonwhite voters who were supposed to deliver it are instead voting for Republicans.

This year, Democrats have chosen to run a campaign focused on three things: abortion rights, gun control, and safeguarding democracy—issues with strong appeal to socially liberal, college-educated voters. But these issues have much less appeal to working-class voters. But these issues have much less appeal to working-class voters. They are instead focused on the economy, inflation, and crime, and they are skeptical of the Democratic Party’s performance in all three realms.

> Studies of [Hillary Clinton's] campaign-ad spending reveal that the overwhelming majority of these ads had nothing to say about policy or even policy orientation, instead attacking Trump’s character and his many divisive and offensive statements. Her campaign slogan, “Stronger together,” was an implicit rebuke of Trump on these grounds.

> Trump’s ads, by contrast, talked a great deal about policy, albeit not in the careful and detailed way Democrats tend to prefer, but rather discussing in broad strokes issues including trade, immigration, and the betrayal of elites.

Let me talk about the LGBTQBBQBLT! Let's save DeMoCrACy! Crime is definitely not a thing and inflation is a Republican made Boogeyman. Gas is five dollars a gallon? You can't afford an EV?!?! Let's ban all fossil fuel cars and make them illegal by 2035. Orange man BAD! Blue no matter who!

Really hard pressing policy that will enrich lives and offer opportunity.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1589639376186724354

absolute chaos

[Occam]

I came across an interesting quote today:
"Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education."
-Franklyn D. Roosevelt, September 27, 1938

To ensure its political future, the Republican party is striving for a maximum level of unpreparedness.
https://www.newsweek.com/gop-winning-its-war-against-higher-education-well-all-lose-result-opinion-1756119

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1589568452699820032

Be careful out there for wireless modems

[james]

If I was R, I would hack a few machines so I could then turn around and find evidence of hacking and make a big deal about it.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/jonathanvswan/status/1589647876149645312



Trump's been kiling it at the rallies bashing Republicans so he probably feels it's time to announce.

[Himu]

I came across an interesting quote today:
"Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education."
-Franklyn D. Roosevelt, September 27, 1938

To ensure its political future, the Republican party is striving for a maximum level of unpreparedness.
https://www.newsweek.com/gop-winning-its-war-against-higher-education-well-all-lose-result-opinion-1756119

Democrats are the ones in power. Granted, it's a midterm and parties flip during midterms to punish the party in power but the Democratic Party has gone too left, too progressive for the average American and voters are choosing to not vote for them. Democracy is working as intended.

[Nintex]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184

Weird how entire countries can do it within a few hours, often the same night but multiple US states take weeks to count their votes.

[james]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184

Weird how entire countries can do it within a few hours, often the same night but multiple US states take weeks to count their votes.

Do you know how mail works Nintex

[Pissy F Benny]

he knows that it takes a few days to ship some fraudulent ballots from china

[Potato]

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1589703689790685184

Weird how entire countries can do it within a few hours, often the same night but multiple US states take weeks to count their votes.

Some places can count ballots multiple times in one night to exhaust preferences too.

[Occam]

GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed Doors
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136

‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.

You don't say! I am shocked!

[Potato]

GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed Doors
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136

‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.

You don't say! I am shocked!

Hilary Clinton's whole life has been a big political lie, but no one is worried about that though

[Himu]

YES YES YES YES!

Since its inception, YWN has never called for the ouster of an elected official, Republican or Democrat. That changes today. It is our firm belief that Gov. Kathy Hochul’s stance toward the Orthodox Jewish community in New York are such that she must be replaced.

Our position comes not only from her failing to publicly stand up for the rights of yeshivas, but especially because of what we have seen from the governor in private.

Several weeks ago, YWN was contacted by the Hochul campaign, which offered to conduct an exclusive interview with the governor.

This offer was surprising on several fronts: firstly, it is well know that YWN rarely conducts interviews promoting specific positions, especially ones from political candidates. Of the 2 million-plus articles that have been published on YWN, barely a handful are interviews.

The second and primary reason for our astonishment over the interview offer was that Gov. Hochul had never before agreed to an interview with any Orthodox Jewish publication, online or in print. Why suddenly did she agree to one now?

The answer, it soon came to be obvious, was to ingratiate herself to the Orthodox Jewish community without providing any evidence that she is working for them in Albany.

YWN was asked to interview the governor at a location in Manhattan, but the Hochul campaign gave us just 10 minutes for questions. This in itself was ridiculous, as all know that any political candidate can take a single question and filibuster their way through an empty 10-minute answer.

YWN then demanded that we get a minimum of 20 minutes to question the governor, at which point the Hochul campaign began making demands – and their motive – clear.

“Please confirm [with the interviewer] that he won’t ask questions that are not good for us,” was one demand.

Another was that all questions to be asked should be submitted to the Hochul campaign beforehand for review. Yet another was that the interview shouldn’t focus on the situation concerning yeshivas – literally the number one issue for Orthodox Jews in this campaign!

The arrogance with which Gov. Hochul’s campaign came to the table was stunning. What the governor obviously wanted, as noted earlier, was for her image among Orthodox Jews to be rehabilitated without her actually facing a single difficult question or requiring her to make commitments to the community.

This attitude toward the New York’s Orthodox Jews cannot stand, and we thus feel compelled to call for the defeat of incumbent Governor Kathy Hochul. New York’s Orthodox Jews deserve better.

The YWN Editorial Team

(YWN World Headquarters – NYC)

https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/featured/2136140/ywn-editorial-gov-hochuls-attitude-toward-orthodox-jews-is-untenable-she-must-be-defeated.html

THAT IS WHAT YOU GET! THAT IS WHAT YOU GET! You authoritarian filthy career politician!

[Occam]

GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed Doors
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136

‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.

You don't say! I am shocked!

Hilary Clinton's whole life has been a big political lie, but no one is worried about that though

I'll take non-sequitur for 500, Alex.

[Uncle]

I always make sure my posts are sequiturs

[Occam]

As well you should.

[Nintex]

GOP Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Election Deniers Admit It's A Lie Behind Closed Doors
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/dan-crenshaw-election-deniers_n_6364cc13e4b06f38ded30136

‘Yeah, we know that, but we just, you know, people just need their last hurrah. Like, they just need to feel like we fought one last time. Trust me, it’ll be fine.’ And I was like, ‘No, it won’t. That’s not what people believe and that’s not what you’re telling them. And maybe you’re smart enough to know that but like …’ So we have a lot of people in the political world that are just willing to say things they know aren’t true, they know aren’t true. It’s a huge manipulation.

You don't say! I am shocked!

This is totally like the birther thing. The carrot to bridge the gap between Trump 2020 and Trump 2024.

Once all the legal challenges have faded away and if he's the Republican candidate Trump will set-up a panel sometime next year to investigate election fraud in the broadest terms possible. This includes a number of nobodies but also big enough names that people think: "Hey I know that guy", think Alan Dershowitz and Larry Kudlow. At some point a special announcement will be announced. Speculation is rampant and CNN will air an empty podium for 5 hours, followed by a bunch of people endorsing Trump including some foreign leaders like MBS and Orban but also Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Tulsi Gabbard and Kanye West.

Trump will come out around prime time and starts bumbling about free and fair elections with Mike Lindell and some prominent election deniers nodding along.
About half way he will somehow pivot to: "Well actually after all the investigations we have concluded the 2020 election result was real but it could very well have been rigged. Good thing we investigated".
The panel will have some powerpoint slides that make no sense but are compelling enough for TV consumption.

Fox News will get one pre-cooked question: "Sir, do you mean to say that your investigation into the 2020 election has concluded and this issue can now be put to rest?"
Trump will nod and say: "Yes we can now put this matter to rest and look ahead to the 2024 election the most important election that we're going to win"

Tucker Carlson will praise Trump for smartening up, leaving the 2020 election behind him. Democrats will be livid but polls will show that voters don't really care and the GOP is happy that 'officially' Trump finally moved on.
Of course election rigging will still be named as part of the brand but in more general terms: "Watch out folks many elections were rigged from the standpoint of voting and history." *wink wink*

Just look at the Q thing, Trump gives it just enough attention and air that he's "in on it" but not enough that he will outright say JFK Jr. is going to be his running mate and that Hillary Clinton is a clone.

[james]

Blue wave coming to Oklahoma. Look at this garbage politician get destroyed

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1589272653290143745

[Nintex]

Blue wave coming to Oklahoma. Look at this garbage politician get destroyed

https://mobile.twitter.com/atrupar/status/1589272653290143745

It's like a mix between Trump and Biden.

Look here's the deal I'm a very succesful businessman and these other guys are the frauds


https://twitter.com/stclairashley/status/1588274340399042560
 

[benjipwns]

https://twitter.com/politico/status/1589568452699820032

Be careful out there for wireless modems

I don't use Facebook, does anyone have information on how many low thousands of dollars of ads from Russia are flooding the pages of Hillary Clinton supporters? We may have to throw out all the results from this election in states where the disinformation corrupts the results.

[Uncle]

normal internet