Letters from Iwo Jima was better than the Departed

[FlameOfCallandor]

Sucks to be Marty this year. 

Seriously though, I loved the Departed, but Holy fucking shit Letters was just OMG amazing. Seeing the war from a different perspective really kind of kicks you in the gut. All these guys were just trying to get by and get home to see their families. Some of the stuff really made me sick. I teared up when they were murdering the american soldier inside the cave. I kept thinking about both of my granddads who served in the pacific.

I think this beats out Platoon as my favorite war movie.


Also, movies are automatically better when you watch them with a girl in your arms. 

[The Fake Shemp]

I guess you never saw Tora Tora Tora

[FlameOfCallandor]

That's with John wayne right? 

[The Fake Shemp]

You're a trainwreck.

[Van Cruncheon]

so if corny maudlin sentimentality and heavy-handed antiwar commentary is all it takes to make your mangina gush, might i suggest house of sand and fog which you will undoubtedly herald as the greatest movie ever right before your brain dissolves into menses  

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Tora Tora Tora woulda been better with Kurosawa involved.

[bagofeyes]

Sucks to be Marty? Sucks to be you

[The Fake Shemp]

Tora Tora Tora woulda been better with Kurosawa involved.

A lot of movies would have been better if a better director was involved.  Doesn't mean it's not a great film.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Tora Tora Tora woulda been better with Kurosawa involved.

A lot of movies would have been better if a better director was involved.  Doesn't mean it's not a great film.

I never said it wasn't.

[Phoenix Dark]

Looks like a very good movie to me. I want to see it along with Babel and Children of Men. Right now I doubt any movie of 2006 will impress me more than The Departed though

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Looks like a very good movie to me. I want to see it along with Babel and Children of Men. Right now I doubt any movie of 2006 will impress me more than The Departed though

HIIIIIGH FIIIIVE!

[FlameOfCallandor]

i really could be biased since I saw the movie with this girl I'm dating. 

[Itch]

Letters From Iwo Jima was written by the same guy who wrote Crash therefore it CANNOT be a good movie.

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PS: Crash is the largest, most corn-filled turd ever laid by Hollywood.

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[bagofeyes]

i really could be biased since I saw the movie with this girl I'm dating. 

You liar, you saw it with your mum

[FlameOfCallandor]

Crash was pretty shitty, but it's only co-written by him and its based on a book. So there.

[Phoenix Dark]

Babel looks so interesting to me. But like I said yesterday, the prospect of Brad Pitt acting in a dramatic movie is not good.

He was great in 12 Monkeys, but even there he wasn't in a serious, dramatic role.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

i really could be biased since I saw the movie with this girl I'm dating. 

[Van Cruncheon]

crash (not the cronenberg movie) managed to invoke my gag reflex despite my many years of "training"

[FlameOfCallandor]

I think dark shake is JEALOUS. I'm going out of town till sunday, then we are going to watch the oscars at her place. 

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

I bought Crash on DVD after hearing all the good reviews, and was pleasantly disappointed. Paul Haggis is the shittiest writer working in Hollywood (or at least the shittiest "revered" writer).

[Vizzys]

and I think thedarkshake is hilarious for once

[Phoenix Dark]

I think dark shake is JEALOUS. I'm going out of town till sunday, then we are going to watch the oscars at her place. 

You have sex with your imaginary friends? Damn, i just used them as fallguys whenever I broke shit around the house and got confronted by my mom.

I would never fuck Mr. Nobody in the ass he's my friend:-\

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

and I think thedarkshake is hilarious for once

 

[FlameOfCallandor]

I think dark shake is JEALOUS. I'm going out of town till sunday, then we are going to watch the oscars at her place. 

You have sex with your imaginary friends? Damn, i just used them as fallguys whenever I broke shit around the house and got confronted by my mom.

I would never fuck Mr. Nobody in the ass he's my friend:-\

You're jealous too?  PD, what happened to vampire girl.

[Phoenix Dark]

I think dark shake is JEALOUS. I'm going out of town till sunday, then we are going to watch the oscars at her place. 

You have sex with your imaginary friends? Damn, i just used them as fallguys whenever I broke shit around the house and got confronted by my mom.

I would never fuck Mr. Nobody in the ass he's my friend:-\

You're jealous too?  PD, what happened to vampire girl.

Dude I'm joking with you. I'm glad you're moving up and out of my virgin club but I'll miss you

[FlameOfCallandor]

i'm still there PD, we can still hang out!

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

FoC will be a virgin for as long as Drinky is a jaded troll or White Man is a homosexual.

[FlameOfCallandor]

FoC will be a virgin for as long as Drinky is a jaded troll or White Man is a homosexual.

Would you like to bet?

I'll bet my account here that I'm out of the squad in 2 weeks.

[TVC15]

Ugh, modern day Eastwood is a CRIME.  That fucker needs to get AIDS and die.  He is doing cool Clint of the past a disservice.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

FoC will be a virgin for as long as Drinky is a jaded troll or White Man is a homosexual.

Would you like to bet?

I'll bet my account here that I'm out of the squad in 2 weeks.

Oh, really. You could lie and say you're having sex right now, doesn't make it true.

What I'm saying is, either you get it on video or you better give up your membership.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ugh, modern day Eastwood is a CRIME.  That fucker needs to get AIDS and die.  He is doing cool Clint of the past a disservice.

Um, the consensus is that this movie is pretty awesome so what are you talking about Peter?

[FlameOfCallandor]

Scouts honor?

I swear that I would never ever lie about it.



TVC is named PETER!?!!?!!!!!

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

lolz, Peter.

[TVC15]

Ugh, modern day Eastwood is a CRIME.  That fucker needs to get AIDS and die.  He is doing cool Clint of the past a disservice.

Um, the consensus is that this movie is pretty awesome so what are you talking about Peter?

Eastwood flicks review well.  They're generally emotionally manipulative or overly sentimental piles of shit, though.  Critics go gay for that stuff if a big name (like Clint) is behind it.  See also Gump.

[Phoenix Dark]

Ugh, modern day Eastwood is a CRIME.  That fucker needs to get AIDS and die.  He is doing cool Clint of the past a disservice.

Um, the consensus is that this movie is pretty awesome so what are you talking about Peter?

Eastwood flicks review well.  They're generally emotionally manipulative or overly sentimental piles of shit, though.  Critics go gay for that stuff if a big name (like Clint) is behind it.  See also Gump.

What movie isn't emotionally manipulative to one degree or another?

[Van Cruncheon]

his name is peter frampton megachrist.

[FlameOfCallandor]

You mean MegaGAY?




ZING!

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

Million Dollar Suckfest has turned me sour on any Eastwood film to come.

[TVC15]

You know what I'm talking about, PD, don't pretend that you don't.

Million Dollar Baby is the perfect example.  If it didn't have Eastwood's name on it, people would've realized it was basically a Lifetime movie of the week.

[Phoenix Dark]

You know what I'm talking about, don't pretend that you don't.

I know what you're talking about but I've never respected that argument. Peter, you need better material 

[TVC15]

What's with the Peter stuff?  Fill me in?

[Van Cruncheon]

PD, you liked Gump. You can't tell honest directorial sentiment from weepy vaginal manipulation any more than you can tell your goth girlfriend's clit from your thumb.

[Phoenix Dark]

Whoops I got it wrong. You're name is Patrick and you just released a good album.

Anyway, all arts elicit emotional responses from people. To blow certain art off because it's "emotionally manipulative" makes little sense. Is Huckleberry Finn "emotionally manipulative" because of the way Twain uses the anti-slavery/racism underlining?

[Van Cruncheon]

don't be a buttfuck. there's deliberate, mechanical manipulation that stems from calculation; and there's the honest sentiment of a director more concerned with his own vision than eliciting a targeted response from an audience. it's what separates the michael bays and steven spielbergs from the real talents and visionaries. it's the difference between danielle steel and james joyce, fagabag.

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

don't be a buttfuck. there's deliberate, mechanical manipulation that stems from calculation; and there's the honest sentiment of a director more concerned with his own vision than eliciting a targeted response from an audience. it's what separates the michael bays and steven spielbergs from the real talents and visionaries. it's the difference between danielle steel and james joyce, fagabag.

[TVC15]

Patrick, released a good album?  Tell me what's going on?  In jokes are only good if other people are in.

To blow certain art off because it's "emotionally manipulative" makes little sense.

How does it not?  Sentimental IS NOT a compliment, you know.  When the emotion is out on parade to the degree that a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow can see it, it's not a very impressive display.

[Phoenix Dark]

don't be a buttfuck. there's deliberate, mechanical manipulation that stems from calculation; and there's the honest sentiment of a director more concerned with his own vision than eliciting a targeted response from an audience. it's what separates the michael bays and steven spielbergs from the real talents and visionaries. it's the difference between danielle steel and james joyce, fagabag.

And how do you know the movie isn't sincere, and is instead "deliberate"?

[The Miles Trahan Burger Experiment]

I refuse to believe that anything written by Paul Haggis is "sincere".

[Van Cruncheon]

oh, i dunno, schmaltzy scoring, unrealistic and overly melodramatic dialogue, and facial shots that scream LOOK AT ME EMOTE

all the hallmarks of Eastwood -- and made for Hallmark as well, I suspect

cigarillo

get educated

[Phoenix Dark]

Educated?

Drinky, is that a fact or an opinion?

[Van Cruncheon]

dude, i don't have opinions. when i speak, reality subscribes to my newsletter, cigarillo

[TVC15]

don't be a buttfuck. there's deliberate, mechanical manipulation that stems from calculation; and there's the honest sentiment of a director more concerned with his own vision than eliciting a targeted response from an audience. it's what separates the michael bays and steven spielbergs from the real talents and visionaries. it's the difference between danielle steel and james joyce, fagabag.

And how do you know the movie isn't sincere, and is instead "deliberate"?

It's subjective, of course, but there are movies that are so overtly sentimental that any merit they have is immediately written off, like Gump and Million Dollar Baby.

[Phoenix Dark]

It's subjective, of course

So it's not a fact, it's an opinion correct? I thought so.

but there are movies that are so overtly sentimental that any merit they have is immediately written off, like Gump and Million Dollar Baby.

What constitutes overt sentimentality?

[TVC15]

In the writing sense of the word, anything sentimental is bad.  Sentimentalism goes against "show, don't tell."

[Van Cruncheon]

ziggackly.

[Phoenix Dark]

In the writing sense of the word, anything sentimental is bad.  Sentimentalism goes against "show, don't tell."

I fail to see how Forrest Gump would fall in that category. What's worse is that I can think of movies you guys actually like that would fall under your broad umbrella of "sentimentality" if looked at without agendas

[Van Cruncheon]

forrest gump is straight up "tell" you woman

[TVC15]

In the writing sense of the word, anything sentimental is bad.  Sentimentalism goes against "show, don't tell."

I fail to see how Forrest Gump would fall in that category. What's worse is that I can think of movies you guys actually like that would fall under your broad umbrella of "sentimentality" if looked at without agendas

Okay, let me put it in simplest possible terms:  Anything you see in a movie that would be more fitting in a soap opera or a lifetime original movie is overly sentimental.  Forrest Gump, Million Dollar Baby, the prime mover in these movies is sentimentalism.  Both of those movies could've easily been Lifetime movies  Fuck, Gump is a nostalgia piece.

[Phoenix Dark]

In the writing sense of the word, anything sentimental is bad.  Sentimentalism goes against "show, don't tell."

I fail to see how Forrest Gump would fall in that category. What's worse is that I can think of movies you guys actually like that would fall under your broad umbrella of "sentimentality" if looked at without agendas

Okay, let me put it in simplest possible terms:  Anything you see in a movie that would be more fitting in a soap opera or a lifetime original movie is overly sentimental.  Forrest Gump, Million Dollar Baby, the prime mover in these movies is sentimentalism.  Both of those movies could've easily been Lifetime movies  Fuck, Gump is a nostalgia piece.

It would be helpful if you used an example from the movie. I've seen it 100 times of course so this would greatly help the discussion 

[TVC15]

I haven't seen it in at least 5 years.  Are you telling me that the movie does not wear its emotions on its sleeves?