I don't even know when GTA4 is coming out. From what I heard on 1UP, it still has problems that gamers have forever been complaining about. I hate how the 1up crew admits that certain aspects of Saint's Row are better and then just LOL that GTA is better simply because it is GTA. It's already the 4th 3D GTA game (not counting the PSP/PS2 expansions), you would think there'd be higher standards and expectations for GTA by now. But no, GTA4 is practically guaranteed AAA scores even before anyone has played it.