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[TakingBackSunday]

His next post is the worst analogy ever

[Kestastrophe]

Resident Evil 4 is a great game but it's no where near top ten quality type of lists.  Uncharted 2 seems to be the same way.

I completely disagree. I think there is a case for RE4 in a top ten list: It has near perfect pacing and gameplay, and the presentation was tops for its time. Uncharted 2 still has janky controls and there isn't a whole lot of depth to the game. I guess it really comes down to what matters to you the most, as a gamer. If you like games that practically play themselves, then I can see why you would like Uncharted 2 so much.

But to me RE4 is a classic.

[duckman2000]

Uncharted 2 still has janky controls

No it doesn't. It also offers more combat depth than its blatant peers, so it's certainly at the top of the heap. And that's not mentioning that presentation, which is obviously "tops for its time."

I think the problem here is that you bunch of jaded conservatives think too highly of older, primitive games.

[Kestastrophe]

Uncharted 2 still has janky controls

No it doesn't. It also offers more combat depth than its blatant peers, so it's certainly at the top of the heap.

The cover system is still jank, especially compared to its peers. In many of the arena battles, precision is required, so as a result you end up having to replay those battles. Compare that to Gears of War, which never makes it feel like you died because of the imprecise controls.

I agree that Uncharted 2 has by far the best presentation for its time. It is ridiculous how good it is in this game

[duckman2000]

You've got to be shitting me. Gears feels like controlling sticky bricks compared to the fluid motion here. There is sticky cover, but Gears has it worse. I guess you could make the argument that it risks more since it does more, but even flipping from sign to sign to deal with multi-angle attacks is a breeze.

Is it really that much better then UC1?

Yes. I thought Uncharted was a decent game, but this one is masterful. There are a bit too many repeated cliffhanger moments and some of the battles could have probably been left out, but it's hot stuff.

[Beezy]

Resident Evil 4 is a great game but it's no where near top ten quality type of lists.  Uncharted 2 seems to be the same way.

PSfags at gaf, par for the course.

And Galaxy shouldn't be in the top 3, but it's the only good game that all Wii fans can latch onto.

[Kestastrophe]

I never had a problem with cover in Gears. It would not have been that big a deal in Uncharted 2 if enemies weren't able to throw sniper grenades from 100 yards away. If that level of precision were built into the controls, it wouldn't feel so cheap. Instead when you try to avoid one of those grenades only to lock onto to something else and die, it is just frustrating.

Also a small niggle that I really shouldn't bring up, but there are some surfaces that look like you should be able to take cover behind in Uncharted 2 that you can't. There were only maybe two cases of this in the campaign, so its hardly worth a mention. 

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18592187&postcount=354

 

Zophar is a butthurt, angry faggot about a lot of things.

[duckman2000]

You died from a grenade in Uncharted 2? Barring the shitty last encounter, I don't think I ever came close to being hurt by a grenade in this game.

Prole said it best:

Uncharted 2 is disposable gaming. it's a fun ride, but you turn your brain off and go where the game tells you and do what it says. it's really really pretty fluff.

I'd have a hard time coming up with a personal favorite that wasn't like that. I guess Far Cry 2, but then that could have probably used some more direction. Oh, and Deus Ex.

[Kestastrophe]

I'm sorry Kestastrophe, but your extremely poor opinion of UC2 (iirc you hated it) is just as ridiculous imo as the 23 people who voted for it as the #1 game of all time, or those who listed it in their lists in the first place. UC2 is an excellent game, easily in my 3 games of '09, but I wouldn't call one of my favs of all time for sure.

No actually, I really like the game. It was a massive improvement over the original. The platforming (which was my main complaint with the first game) was cleaned up a ton. It was definitely my favorite PS3 game of the year.

And what I think Uncharted 2 does best is the on-rails action stuff that is seamlessly integrated into the cutscenes and other downtime. Its when it tries to be Gears of War with the arena battles, where I think it struggles.

[Kestastrophe]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18592879&postcount=372

[TakingBackSunday]

I certainly think Galaxy belongs up there though, considering it's my favorite Mario game.  Number 2?  Well, it was for me, but in general that's a bit odd.

[duckman2000]

I certainly think Galaxy belongs up there though

How surprising 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18592879&postcount=372

Dude owned you pretty hard

[BlueTsunami]

Those "Vote for your favorite games" threads are always a good barometer for gauging how the forum is leaning. Its safe to say that Nintendo fans still have a foothold.

[Kestastrophe]

Dude owned you pretty hard

lol. By admitting that he thinks Half-Life is trash while praising Uncharted. OH U

[Kestastrophe]

The "Arenas" are much more seamless and subtle than they were in the first UC, they were also at least 3 times as fun; In UC1 it most of them were even square-shaped with a bunch of objects thrown around for cover, whereas in UC2 the environments are varied, verticality(?) in level design was stronger and more realized, and as I said before the controls and gunplay are tighter than ever. All of these factors, imo, combat the "Arena" stigma that the UC1 severely suffered from.

I agree that they are much more subtle than the original, and I would even concede to Duckman (lol) that it risks more (with verticality) than other cover based games. And I think that the controls are improved, but I still think that the cover mechanic is comparatively sloppy to a game like Gears. I never had a problem with the gun controls in the first game, but they are tightened up in this game.

[cool breeze]

The only issue I had with Uncharted 2 was that it was a linear shooter, and even the best linear shooter is still just a linear shooter.  Even though I thought Far Cry 2 had a ton of problems, I probably liked that more.  Uncharted 2 is way better than other similar games, but it's still just a style of gameplay I enjoy, and it doesn't compare with more open shooters like Far Cry 2, Crysis, etc for me.  I think why I enjoyed Uncharted 2 more was partly because it had a superficial sense of freedom by using stealth and platforming to better move around the level and stuff like that.

I certainly think Galaxy belongs up there though, considering it's my favorite Mario game.  Number 2?  Well, it was for me, but in general that's a bit odd.

I don't think so.  Galaxy is a flawless game and the only argument against it, and I mean if you really want to be a boner, is the lack of any good multiplayer (another guy collecting star bits doesn't count).

And even though I'd say OoT is my favorite game for nostalgia reasons  (and the only time I will accept defeat to the younger me) it isn't the best game of all time.  wtf.  These lists shouldn't be about important games either, it should be about good games.  Standards do change despite what 8-bit fetishists say.  Also, Metroid Zero Mission is awesome and just as good as Super Metroid, yet it doesn't appear on the list at all because the kiddies love their nerd canon.

ok, reading more of the list, it's a mix of nostalgia and fish memory

[Kestastrophe]

- Galaxy may be, hands down, my favorite game this generation (I haven't even completed it..... UH OH, HERE COME KESTASTROPHE).

I don't get it. I am just trying to stir shit on GAF, but I am being sincere here.

[TakingBackSunday]

I certainly think Galaxy belongs up there though

How surprising 

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=18592879&postcount=372

Dude owned you pretty hard

Oh come on man, almost everybody loves Galaxy, it's not just a ninfag thing.

[Joe Molotov]

I don't even own an Wii, but Super Mario Galaxy was pretty freaking awesome.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

Galaxy has the potential to be in the top 10 best games of all time.  It'll be a few years before it gets to that point to see if it stands the test of time but I don't know of too many games that are better than SMG.

[Draft]

Gears shooting/cover > Uncharted shooting/cover. That's a cold fact.

[AdmiralViscen]

Galaxy has the potential to be in the top 10 best games of all time.  It'll be a few years before it gets to that point to see if it stands the test of time but I don't know of too many games that are better than SMG.

Yes

[bork]

I havent even played galaxy nor do I feel any need to.

It actually is a good game.  I think New Super Mario Bros. Wii is better though.

[Beezy]

Kinda mad at myself now for getting sucked into that thread.

[bork]

I don't necessarily agree with the placement of games in that thread, but it's not too bad a list considering the source.  Too many 8, 16, and 32 bit classics missing.  LOL at Ocarina Of Time as the best ever, but that's GAF for you.  And MGS4?  REALLY?

Bayonetta (360) should be on there.  It's that good, but most people aren't going to play it until next year.

[bork]

Well I think a lot of sane people didnt vote, I mean did you Lyte?

Nope, don't recall doing so.  It's clearly a ton of rapid n-fans; they have the time to do so since their console so rarely gets a new good game.

[duckman2000]

Gears shooting/cover > Uncharted shooting/cover. That's a cold fact.

Nonsense. It's the same shit, only Uncharted 2 is far less limited. Whatever though, they are both inferior to Rainbow Six Vegas.

[bork]

Gears shooting/cover > Uncharted shooting/cover. That's a cold fact.

Nonsense. It's the same shit, only Uncharted 2 is far less limited. Whatever though, they are both inferior to Rainbow Six Vegas.

Uncharted > Gears.  There, I said it.  But Gears gets major props for its co-op.

[duckman2000]

Yes.

[cool breeze]

Gears shooting/cover > Uncharted shooting/cover. That's a cold fact.

Agreed.

But Uncharted 2 shooting/cover > Gears 2 > Gears 1 > Uncharted 1

 

Uncharted 2 wins because it has a slightly less robust form of anywhere cover from infamous, but it's still means you're not restricted to waist high walls and corners.  

[duckman2000]

Oh wait, Draft was talking about Uncharted 1? Then I agree.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

I'd find it hard to believe that there shouldn't be any games from this generation on a top games list.  I understand waiting a year or two for the hype to settle down but I have to admit that I had a lot more fun with SMG than I did with any of the MGS games, for instance.  I understand flavor of the moment titles but I disagree that no game from this generation should be on a list.  I believe SMG is a classic and will go down as one.  I don't know how NSMB Wii or SMG2 will fare but SMG should definitely be on some lists.

I think a good number of 8 bit titles are overrated.  The best games of all time should hold up as well as any game out today, if not better.  SMB is one.  Ninja Gaiden is old and clunky by comparison.  Super Mario Kart doesn't hold up too kindly in certain parts, despite being mindblowing in 1992, that doesn't mean it deserves a top spot 17 years later.  I'm not going to indulge in listfaggotry but I wanted to address that point.  There are a lot of 8 and 16 bit games that are fucking awesome today but there are a lot that get overrated due to rose tinted nostalgia glasses.  They should not be on a top games list.

[CajoleJuice]

What T EXP said, even if I still need to play SMG.

[Brehvolution]

Genghis Cohen
Smellin' like Dragoncock

 

[bork]

I'd find it hard to believe that there shouldn't be any games from this generation on a top games list.  I understand waiting a year or two for the hype to settle down but I have to admit that I had a lot more fun with SMG than I did with any of the MGS games, for instance.  I understand flavor of the moment titles but I disagree that no game from this generation should be on a list.  I believe SMG is a classic and will go down as one.  I don't know how NSMB Wii or SMG2 will fare but SMG should definitely be on some lists.

I think a good number of 8 bit titles are overrated.  The best games of all time should hold up as well as any game out today, if not better.  SMB is one.  Ninja Gaiden is old and clunky by comparison.  Super Mario Kart doesn't hold up too kindly in certain parts, despite being mindblowing in 1992, that doesn't mean it deserves a top spot 17 years later.  I'm not going to indulge in listfaggotry but I wanted to address that point.  There are a lot of 8 and 16 bit games that are fucking awesome today but there are a lot that get overrated due to rose tinted nostalgia glasses.  They should not be on a top games list.

I agree with you on most of this.  I think Super Mario Bros. does hold up, and I still go back to play it, but I wouldn't put the SNES Super Mario Kart on there anymore.  Actually, I'm not sure which Mario Kart I'd want to stick on a list...I definitely had the most fun with the original, but it's all nostalgia now. 

Same thing with some of the fighters on these lists.  A lot of people list "Street Fighter II."  Are we talking the original?  It doesn't hold up at all now; it's slow and glitchy as hell.  LMAO if anyone even thinks about the SNES version.  I can see SFII Turbo being on lists still, or SSF2T, which is still played in tournaments (although it's pretty much been replaced by HD Remix), however.  There's a similar Game Informer list that even has Tekken 3 (arcade) on it.  LOL.  At least say Tekken Tag.

I'm no RPG buff, but should Final Fantasy III (VI) still be on lists?  Chrono Trigger I can understand.  At least with the top FPS', it's more modern stuff like Half-Life 2 and not "my-first-FPS" Goldeneye.

[Boogie]

I'm just glad to see the best PC game of all time, Deus Ex, manage to make it into the top 20-30.

[Madrun Badrun]

second best PS2 game too! 

[OptimoPeach]

I'm no RPG buff, but should Final Fantasy III (VI) still be on lists?

Yes

edit: And it shits all over VII as well

Bonus lulz:

[Bebpo]

I havent even played galaxy nor do I feel any need to.

It actually is a good game.  I think New Super Mario Bros. Wii is better though.

 

[Jansen]

why can't sfags just deal with the fact that the shooting/cover mechanics in uncharted are inferior to gears

[OptimoPeach]

Thats funny Optimo.

I never finished FF6, I got the world after the disaster (?) was I far off from the end?

Technically halfway. It's pretty nonlinear from there, because you only need the airship and a certain amount of party members to beat the final dungeon, and there's sidequests all over the world involving re-recruiting your characters. There's also some decent extra content if you're playing the GBA port

[Bebpo]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380422

wow, that really sucks

[demi]

FF6 goes to shit when you get to the World of Ruin. Non-Linearity? Ugh. Characters I dont even care for? Ugh. Shitty final dungeon requiring splitting up characters, especially the weak shity ones I dont even use? Ugh.

It's such a horrible game.

[Bebpo]

FF6 goes to shit when you get to the World of Ruin. Non-Linearity? Ugh. Characters I dont even care for? Ugh. Shitty final dungeon requiring splitting up characters, especially the weak shity ones I dont even use? Ugh.

It's such a horrible game.

I love the game, but yeah the 2nd half is a mess. 

Still looking forward to the 3d remake after FF5 gets one.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

The 2nd half of FF6 sucked.  You had little indication of where to go and if you wandered too far off, you'd end up fighting some ridiculously overpowered enemy (like the T-Rex) or something that would always cast a debilitating spell.  It's like Square said, "fuck it, they went this far, they'll probably just play to the end anyway."  Which we did.

Still works better than a lot of FF7.  The second disc's plot was extremely stupid and useless.

[BobFromPikeCreek]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=380422

wow, that really sucks

Young girls should not be allowed to drive. They do the dumbest, most irresponsible shit.

[Himu]

FF6 is the best overall FF next to FF8.

[Himu]

The 2nd half of FF6 sucked.  You had little indication of where to go and if you wandered too far off, you'd end up fighting some ridiculously overpowered enemy (like the T-Rex) or something that would always cast a debilitating spell.  It's like Square said, "fuck it, they went this far, they'll probably just play to the end anyway."  Which we did.

Still works better than a lot of FF7.  The second disc's plot was extremely stupid and useless.

Weaksauce.

[Himu]

FF6 goes to shit when you get to the World of Ruin. Non-Linearity? Ugh. Characters I dont even care for? Ugh. Shitty final dungeon requiring splitting up characters, especially the weak shity ones I dont even use? Ugh.

It's such a horrible game.

Weaksauce.

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

FF6 goes to shit when you get to the World of Ruin. Non-Linearity? Ugh. Characters I dont even care for? Ugh. Shitty final dungeon requiring splitting up characters, especially the weak shity ones I dont even use? Ugh.

It's such a horrible game.

Weaksauce.

yo mama

[Van Cruncheon]

ff6 is pretty shit, yeah

[BlueTsunami]

I always hated FF6's final dungeon. Splitting up large parties is always a recipe for annoyance. I liked the Non-Linearity of The World of Ruin though.

[TakingBackSunday]

I love FF6 up until it's ending, yeah.

For me:

FFVI
FFV
FFX
FFIV
FFIX
FFVII
FFIII
FFVIII
FFXII
FFII
FFI

[Phoenix Dark]

I've only played FFIV. Awesome game, but I don't want to be a nerd like BrandNew

[tiesto]

I've only played FFIV. Awesome game, but I don't want to be a nerd like BrandNew

I think it's a bit too late for that, WOW dude

[TakingBackSunday]

I've only played FFIV. Awesome game, but I don't want to be a nerd like BrandNew

Granted I haven't played past 5 hours of the last four.

[Phoenix Dark]

 :'(

are the DS versions good?

[demi]

:'(

are the DS versions good?

No. Just get Dragon Quest instead.

[drew]

what a silly question

nothing on the ds is good