Solo, you going to any late night stores at midnight to pick up CASINO ROYALE?

[Solo]

Actually, a lot of people feel that way about Moore too. Not me obviously, since I consider him the very worst, but Im in the vast minority. Ive often heard that people love Moore because he could carry those awful movies with his charisma.

[The Fake Shemp]

No, not really.

Seriously, Octopussy is so bad it makes me want to pee on Ian Fleming's corpse.

[Solo]

I said I wasn't one of those people!  But seriously, Ive heard lots of people say that over the years. They are obviously idiots, but still!

[The Fake Shemp]

Roger Moore raped Bond.

[Solo]

Roger Moore was basically Austin Powers. I vote that we rescind the Bond line to 5 actors, and bump the AP line to 2 actors, with Mike Myers picking up the torch from Moore.

[TakingBackSunday]

I haven't read the novels, but in terms of the film comparing to the novel, how close was CR?  And was the next novel (I think it was Live and Let Die) a continuation of CR or was it a brand spanking new story?  I wouldn't mind them going in order of the books, but that won't EVER happen.

[G The Resurrected]

wait they lost the writers from CR for the next bond? Is the director going to be back? Cause he gets bond just look at CR and GE. Damnit wtf sony shell out the money you poor fucks. You give millions to make horrible sam rami spiderman crap. Give some big money to 007 for a change.

[Cheebs]

The writer and director will not be back.

[Tauntaun]

is it me or does craig look like a monkey?

<~~~monkey

I mean, I loved the movie, but COME ON! say I'm right.

[Cheebs]

is it me or does craig look like a monkey?

(Image removed from quote.) <~~~monkey

I mean, I loved the movie, but COME ON! say I'm right.

Bond is basically a hitman for the government. He looks like a rough brute, which is what someone in his job WOULD look like.

And not this:

[G The Resurrected]

The writer and director will not be back.

GOD DAMNIT havent they learned with 21 films and other franchises doing well with one director and single writing group? FUCK FUCK FUCK god damnit. They need to get back the writer and director cause thats the only thing that will save bond 22

[Solo]

I haven't read the novels, but in terms of the film comparing to the novel, how close was CR?  And was the next novel (I think it was Live and Let Die) a continuation of CR or was it a brand spanking new story?  I wouldn't mind them going in order of the books, but that won't EVER happen.

It is a pretty darn straight adaptation. Things have been changed (like Le Chiffre's motives), obviously, since the Cold War is long gone, but the structure of the book and film are remarkably similar, and there is some dialogue lifted straight from the book ("the bitch is dead"). It's easily the most faithful adaptation of any of the Bond novels, although thats not saying much, since Dr. No, From Russia With Love, Goldfinger, and Thunderball aside, the Bond films aren't even remotely faithful adaptations.

Live And Let Die is the next book, and would make a GREAT movie (the LALD movie they already made is totally different from the book, which is a travesty since the book was so awesome), and features lots of Felix Leiter. But they wont be remaking that. They are determined to write their own crap stories, when theres still a lot of good Fleming material they havent touched.

[Solo]

wait they lost the writers from CR for the next bond? Is the director going to be back? Cause he gets bond just look at CR and GE. Damnit wtf sony shell out the money you poor fucks. You give millions to make horrible sam rami spiderman crap. Give some big money to 007 for a change.

They didn't lose the writers. On the contrary, they GAINED a writer for CR, who just so happened to be Paul Haggis. Who I can guarantee wont be back. So we're stuck with the shitty writing duo of the previous 3 Bond films. As for the director, Martin Campbell isn't much of one, really. He can do a decent Bond flick, but outside of that, hes done nothing very good. Anyways, he has stated that he doesnt like doing huge movies like this back to back, so its not a matter of money, but a matter of Campbell not having interest.

Also, the Bond franchise has TONS of money behind it. You dont get to make 22 films without having a fat payroll.

[Solo]

The writer and director will not be back.

GOD DAMNIT havent they learned with 21 films and other franchises doing well with one director and single writing group? FUCK FUCK FUCK god damnit. They need to get back the writer and director cause thats the only thing that will save bond 22

Take it easy. First of all, the Bond films have NEVER had a single director (there are directors who did several, like Terence Young and John Glen, but theres hardly a director who has done all 21) or writing crew (pretty much different on every film, though writers like Richarm Maibaum wrote several, and currently Purvis and Wade have written a few, but they wont last forever). The head honchoes, Michael G. Wilson and Barbara Broccoli, seem to like change, and pretty much shake up the creative team, cast, and crew for each film to keep things fresh. As for Martin Campbell, like I said, hes a journeyman director at best, and Purvis and Wade aren't great writers.

As for what will "save" Bond 22, its quite simple. They just need to realize from the overwhelming success of CR that people want more Bond films like this, and continue down that road.

[Cheebs]

22 isn't going to be some total switch in style. I am not TOO worried. It still won't have gadgets and is a direct sequel to CR. I am remaining optimistic.

[Solo]

I'd love to see them get Matthew Vaughn do to a Bond movie. He's British, so he fits the bill, he has a relationship with Craig, and I loved Layer Cake.

[Cheebs]

I'd love to see them get Matthew Vaughn do to a Bond movie. He's British, so he fits the bill, he has a relationship with Craig, and I loved Layer Cake.

That would be nice. I wonder if they will ever break their must-be-english rule for directors since they turned down both Spielberg and Tarintino cause of this rule.

[Solo]

I don't think its a "must be British" so much as "must be non-American or be European"  I mean, Lee Tamahori. That name sounds awfully Asian to me. And Martin Campbell is an Australian I believe.

[Cheebs]

well then the "can't be american" rule lol

[Solo]

Personally Im glad Tarantino will never be allowed within a mile of the Bond franchise. Spielberg, on the other hand, I think could deliver an awesome Bond movie, but we know that will never happen.

[Cheebs]

In part I am glad about Spielberg as well. Lucas was working on his Raiders of the Lost Ark storyline when he was on vacation with Spielberg when Spielberg was talking about how he wished Cubby Broccoli would let him do a Bond. Lucas let Spielberg direct the Indiana Jones films to fufill his desires to do a Bond like episodic action-adventure series. Which is also why Connery is in the franchise, Spielberg uses Indiana Jones to fulfill his Bond desires. Spielberg is blunt about that on the Indy dvd's. He said Connery is in it because James Bond HAD to be Indiana Jones's dad in his mind.

If Broccoli let Spielberg direct (I believe it was Octopussy that Spielberg was trying to get on?) then Lucas would have directed Raiders and my gut instinct is that it not would have been not as good as a franchise.

Plus why waste Spielberg during the Roger Moore years?

[Solo]

Id like to see the current day Spielberg direct Craig in one. I mean, they've already worked together, and I could see Spielberg working well with a movie akin to CR. But this is just wishing, since we know it'll never happen. They already had a director lined up for Bond 22 (whose name escapes me), but he's since left the project.

[Cheebs]

You know what would be interesting? Christopher Nolan. Mainly because of his history with Bond. Nolan calls OHMSS his favorite film of all time and credits watching the 60's Bond films as a kid the main reason he got into film. I would find it very interesting to see a director who calls OHMSS his favorite movie period do a Bond film. Especially a Craig era movie.

[Solo]

Yeah, that would be cool too. I dont know if Nolan would ever do one, though.

[Himu]

I got this movie.

[TakingBackSunday]

I just found out that for Live and Let Die they originally wanted Burt Reynolds. 

[Solo]

There have been a lot of several awful almost-Bonds. James freaking Brolin had the part at one point before Moore returned.

[Cheebs]

My one disappointment is Dalton for Goldeneye. Goldeneye was written FOR Dalton. Which is obvious when you see the change in tone after goldeneye with the last 3 brosnan ones. Dalton backed out thinking he was too old and the wait was too long(though he looked better than Moore did in his later films and better than Brosnan did in DAD).

How I wish he did it.

[Solo]

Dalton and Bean would be too much awesomeness for one film.

[Cheebs]

Still someone needs to slap Dalton for turning it down. Also it would likely mean no Brosnan ever since by the time they would be looking for a new Bond with TND he would probably be too old to be a fresh bond.

Dalton was offered LALT wasn't he, before Moore?

[Solo]

Dalton was offered the role as early as OHMSS!

[Himu]

Watching this now. The menu music is awesome.

[Himu]

Holy CHRIST. One of the best action films EVER.

[The Fake Shemp]

Yeah, Casino Royale is pretty awesome.

[The Fake Shemp]

Also, when will Martin Campbell get his due as the best Bond director of all-time (GoldenEye, Casino Royale).  He's arguably the most important person working on the franchise since its inception, as he has managed to keep the series afloat when it starts sinking.

[Cheebs]

Also, when will Martin Campbell get his due as the best Bond director of all-time (GoldenEye, Casino Royale).

Terence Young, son.

[The Fake Shemp]

Martin Campbell has eclipsed him.  Sorry, it's true.  It's one thing to help cultivate the Bond persona during its inception, but it's another to basically resurrect it not once, but twice!

[TakingBackSunday]

I'd say Guy Hamilton was pretty good, too–but he did do two pretty meh ones.  Goldfinger was good though!

[Cheebs]

I'd say Guy Hamilton was pretty good, too–but he did do two pretty meh ones.  Goldfinger was good though!

Goldfinger was great but he is the one who invented silly over-the-top bond.

[Cheebs]

After re-watching Royale and having the newness gone from it what what is your top 5 Bond movies now?

Mine are:
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Casino Royale
3. From Russia With Love
4. The Living Daylights
5. Goldfinger

[Mupepe]

After re-watching Royale and having the newness gone from it what what is your top 5 Bond movies now?

Mine are:
1. On Her Majesty's Secret Service
2. Casino Royale
3. From Russia With Love
4. The Living Daylights
5. Goldfinger

check yer damn pm's!

[Ichirou]

I don't think its a "must be British" so much as "must be non-American or be European"  I mean, Lee Tamahori. That name sounds awfully Asian to me. And Martin Campbell is an Australian I believe.

Tamahori's Maori.  Also, I think he got arrested a while back for cross-dressing prostitution or somesuch. 

[Himu]

When is the sequel coming? God, it feels weird asking that since there's actual continuity in Bond films now!

There's actual continuity? Where did they say that?

[The Fake Shemp]

Like, everywhere.  The sequel picks up right after Casino Royale, with Bond hopefully uncovering another S.P.E.C.T.R.E.-like organization.

[Cheebs]

Like, everywhere.  The sequel picks up right after Casino Royale, with Bond hopefully uncovering another S.P.E.C.T.R.E.-like organization.

We know he uncovers a organization and their leader(not Mr. White), so don't worry about that. It is just not SPECTRE. More of a Spectre-lite.

It was already said Mattias plays a important part in this one as well.

[Solo]

Sorry, Willco, Terence Young is the only correct answer. Not only did he mold Connery (who by all accounts was pretty much a hard-nosed thug prior) into Bond (Young himself was and is still considered by many to be James Bond, if he were to have existed, suave, cultured, charming, etc), but he set the standard for what Bond movies should be, and most importantly, he directed 3 of the very best films in the series.

[The Fake Shemp]

I still contend that Martin Campbell has now saved the series not once, but twice, and deserves more credit.

[Solo]

Ill give him credit for CR, because the series was off the rails post DAD. But GE? After a 6 year hiatus, Uwe Boll could have directed GE and it would have been a hit.

So I wont give him GE, but I will give him CR.

[Cheebs]

The franchise wasn't dead at the time of GE. There was a 6 year break due to legal issues. They wanted to do Goldeneye with Dalton back in 91 or 92. Hell it would have been BETTER. On the UE DVD they said the kept the Dalton script but made some changes to make it a bit lighter to suit Brosnan over Dalton. GoldenEye could have been one of the 5 best, but damn legal issues caused problems and thus we got the Brosnan verision.

Goldeneye was MADE for Dalton it is so obvious that is depressing.

[The Fake Shemp]

No way. GoldenEye was a rebirth for a franchise that had sunken to the box office doldrums following Dalton's reign.  There was no betting on it to be a huge success.

[Solo]

I would contend that there was. First, there was the 6 year break which I mentioned, so people were salivating for a new one. Second, and more importantly, Brosnan was now Bond, and lets face it, he had been the popular choice of the vast majority for years (myself exlcuded, since I wanted Dalton and not Brosnan). People wanted Brosnan to be Bond. They didnt want Dalton. So then you finally get a new Bond flick starring the 1986 almost-Bond Pierce Brosnan, and you get success.

[Cheebs]

I honestly don't care if it bombed. Goldeneye was meant to be Dalton's and it would have been soooo good.

[The Fake Shemp]

I think it would've fared well better because Brosnan was the preferred choice of soccer moms, but GoldenEye was a huge success for more reasons than that.  You forget the key movie demographic, teenagers and those in their early 20s, had probably never even seen a Bond film in theatres.  That franchise was as hokey and defunct as no other at that point.  The movie was a rebirth; it introduced Bond to a whole new generation and instilled some Hollywood credibility with a series that was in decline, commercially, up until that point.  I think with Brosnan in the driver seat, you could've had bet that it would've done better than Dalton's films, but nobody saw how big of a success it would be.

[Solo]

I think it would've fared well better because Brosnan was the preferred choice of soccer moms, but GoldenEye was a huge success for more reasons than that.  You forget the key movie demographic, teenagers and those in their early 20s, had probably never even seen a Bond film in theatres.  That franchise was as hokey and defunct as no other at that point.   The movie was a rebirth; it introduced Bond to a whole new generation and instilled some Hollywood credibility with a series that was in decline, commercially, up until that point.  I think with Brosnan in the driver seat, you could've had bet that it would've done better than Dalton's films, but nobody saw how big of a success it would be.

Yes, but are you forgetting that GE (unlike CR, which is a drastic shake up) is pretty much THE safest Bond movie ever made? Its pretty much a "greatest hits" Bond movie. They wanted to get the fans back, so they basically pulled out the old cookie cutter again and churned GE out. GE is just as hokey, silly, cheesey, etc as all the previous entries to the "defunct" series were.

[The Fake Shemp]

I don't think it's nearly as cheesy as the Moore films.  It's not very cheesy at all!  It has some Cold War camp, but it's played off pretty well.  I really like it.

[Solo]

I dunno. For the most part its okay, but pretty much anything from Onatopp's mouth, or any Bond-female dialogue leans towards cringe-worthy. Other than that, I like the script, namely the Bond-Trevelyn moments.

[Cheebs]

The music in GE was reaaallly weird and techno 90's nonsense. Watching the UE of the DVD made realize just how badly that soundtrack aged.

[The Fake Shemp]

The title track is awesome, but other than that, it's a time capsule.

[TakingBackSunday]

I feel like I'm playing the videogame whenever I hear the music from GE.

[Solo]

It stinks. Thats why Eric Serra was never given the job to score a Bond movie again. David Arnold isnt much better though. We need John Barry to return for one more film.