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Re: Do you want kids?
« Reply #180 on: April 10, 2007, 09:48:10 PM »
Whoa your still around. Hey best of luck Dori.

I'm actually at a USO in St. Louis. lol

But kids are great, wtf.
Especially with BBQ sauce.

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« Reply #181 on: April 10, 2007, 09:49:26 PM »
Especially with BBQ sauce.

Why would you want to cover the taste, when there such a rare thing to eat!

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« Reply #182 on: April 10, 2007, 10:02:27 PM »
The BBQ sauce covers up the taste of the fresh tears.

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« Reply #183 on: April 10, 2007, 10:05:56 PM »
Whoa your still around. Hey best of luck Dori.

I'm actually at a USO in St. Louis. lol

But kids are great, wtf.

Get out of my city.

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« Reply #184 on: April 10, 2007, 10:43:54 PM »
Ok, so about the people who don't want kids:

Where do you think you'll see yourself in 20, 30 years? When you're 50 or 60 or something. Will you still be having the wild lifestyle you're enjoying now?  Going out, meeting people? Having unlimited, unprotected, hot steaming SEX? No. So what will you have left? Nothing. Your husband/wife will be old and unattractive, you can't make friends easily.

I'm a hair from 30, and my fiance turns 39 this weekend. My wild, no offspring lifestyle means sleeping late occasionally on weekends, a lot of birdwatching, reading books and playing games in the evening, and cooking up good food in my kitchen. My near-term aspirations after my wedding in a couple of weeks are to repaint a few rooms of my house, find a regular bridge partner to get back into the ACBL duplicate matchpoint scene (even if it means tracking down an old buddy and playing online), shoring up my baking capabilities, buying some stupid expensive sim gaming PC accessories and playing some PC sims, and reading some mythology and history books that were recommended to me by a friend.

Not everyone who doesn't want kids lives an action packed life. I'm extremely domesticated, as you can see, but I don't want kids because it would get in the way of all those things, which I view as more important than childrearing. My fiance has equally unambitious-but important to her-aspirations.

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But if you made some babies, you would have these loving people that you would call your son or daughter. And they will nearly always cuddle up to you and say

I love you mommy/daddy :-*

Come the fuck on.

Once you are 50 or 60, those kids will be one of three things:

1) Living on their own, and, given our highly mobile and busy culture, you might talk on the phone with them every week or so and see them two or three times a year at most.
2) They are semi-successful, and live in your hometown because they went to college there and found a job there. You see them quite often.
3) They are failures and are still "finding their way", and you get to deal with them still living in your house after all these years.

The cuddle up years stop at like eight or nine, tops, btw. Soon after that they want as little to do with you as possible for a good decade before you can reform working relations again when they get into their twenties.

What is important and vital in life to some people isn't so important and vital to others. The different reactions, one way or another, in this thread is definitely proof of that.
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« Reply #185 on: April 11, 2007, 12:26:45 AM »
No kids for me. They are evil.
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« Reply #186 on: April 11, 2007, 10:31:53 AM »
Watch your mouth ruzfag.  Fragamemnon or however is the man.  So glad to see him posting here  :-*

Congrats on the marriage, you still living in Raleigh Frag?  I'm back in Charlotte now.


edit: holy shit, I spelled your nick right without looking
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Re: Do you want kids?
« Reply #187 on: April 11, 2007, 10:46:52 AM »
This is one of the few topics of mine that actually STAYED on topic so I'm rather impressed.
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« Reply #188 on: April 11, 2007, 11:37:08 AM »
Who's going to win the Stanley Cup. 















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« Reply #189 on: April 11, 2007, 11:50:30 AM »
What your kids end up being depends on how you raise them...

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Behavioral genetic research is also consistent in indicating that nonshared
rather than shared environmental factors constitute the major source of environmental
influence on behavior. The adoptive sibling correlation provides a
direct estimate of shared environmental influences, and for many psychological
traits this correlation is near zero,

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The IQ correlations for the latter
(a direct estimate of the shared environmental contribution to variance) average
only .04 in the four studies of adult samples (Loehlin et al 1997, Scarr &
Weinberg 1978, Scarr et al 1993, Teasdale & Owen 1984).


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Bouchard (1994) reported similar
estimates of heritability (average of .41 for these five basic dimensions of
personality) and shared environmental effects (average of .07) in a combined
analysis of MISTRA reared apart twin correlations and correlations on reared
together twins.

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Scarr & Weinberg (1981) included a measure of
authoritarianism in an adoption study on the expectation that it would show
little heritability and a large shared environmental influence. Contrary to expectation,
the measure of authoritarianism was substantially heritable,

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Genetic influences on measures of religious interests, attitudes, and values
have also been explored. Using data on reared together and reared apart adult
twins, Waller and associates (1990) reported a heritability estimate of .59 for
religious leisure time interests and .41 for religious occupational interests; in
both cases shared environmental influences were not statistically significant
from zero
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http://www.psych.umn.edu/faculty/mcgue/mcgue%20pubs/115%20mcgue%20&%20bouchard%20annual%20review%201998.pdf

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Re: Do you want kids?
« Reply #190 on: April 11, 2007, 12:47:17 PM »
Malek, why do you hate freedom?
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« Reply #191 on: April 11, 2007, 12:49:50 PM »
Malek, why do you hate freedom?
I don't know, but it has nothing to do with how my parents raised me.  :D

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« Reply #192 on: April 11, 2007, 12:50:16 PM »
Malek, why do you hate freedom?
I don't know, but it has nothing to do with how my parents raised me.  :D

:lol
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« Reply #193 on: April 11, 2007, 03:45:18 PM »
prost, you yourself said you wanted to have a kid so you can "die happy" and "complete". sounds pretty selfish to me!

kids will never thank you for having them. raising them well? maybe. but that's hardly a factor at the time you choose to have them, eh?
Raising them well is the biggest factor for me.  That's what would make me die happy.

What's the point of having a kid if you can't raise em well?

So yes, it IS the biggest factor at the time I choose to have them.
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« Reply #194 on: April 11, 2007, 03:47:57 PM »


1) Living on their own, and, given our highly mobile and busy culture, you might talk on the phone with them every week or so and see them two or three times a year at most.
2) They are semi-successful, and live in your hometown because they went to college there and found a job there. You see them quite often.
3) They are failures and are still "finding their way", and you get to deal with them still living in your house after all these years.

See that's why I'm going to teach my kid that working hard is important, no matter how smart they might be.  I don't care as much if they're dumb or genius.. I just want them to work hard.
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« Reply #195 on: April 11, 2007, 03:52:47 PM »
because you can have the best intentions and still have 'em turn out like shit. you don't know how you'll perform as a parent until you do it -- you could turn out to be a fuckin' awful father and to hate child-rearing. your parents probably didn't enjoy raising you very much, despite the occasional platitudes and dissonance tossed your way. most people simply pretend to enjoy it for the sake of their kids or because they have a deep need to lie to themselves, but nobody enjoys spending their evenings -- if not their entire days -- in the company of children, unless they're just kinda, well, creepy.

also, as malek aptly pointed out, outside of gross traumatic events, your kids' personalities are decided by nature, not nurture. you could wind up with a thankless and lazy little twat no matter how good your intentions might be, and your efforts to teach them "hard work" will only lead to their contempt for you.
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« Reply #196 on: April 11, 2007, 03:54:32 PM »
I don't see how not wanting kids is selfish.  To make it sound "selfish" you would have to make the definition so broad that the label could apply to just about anything in life.  "You go to church?  THAT'S SO SELFISH!"
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« Reply #197 on: April 11, 2007, 03:56:43 PM »
well, having kids *is* selfish. it's an egotistical act, albeit it one getting pulsed straight from our lizard hindbrain.
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« Reply #198 on: April 11, 2007, 03:58:50 PM »
mmm, all i have to do is look at my family to realize that you can be the best god damn parent in the world and your kids will still fuck up if they're stupid enough. the differences between siblings can be stark enough -- take my sister and i. i'm not an angel, but i haven't done anything like spending time in jail, getting addicted to drugs, getting pregnant at age 15 and treating my parents like shit.

just watching my parents go through what they have to with my sister is enough to make me never want to have children. but all these prospective parents have this "oh no, not MY kid, i'll be a good parent and my child will turn out perfect." that's not how it works, bro. people will fuck their lives up if they're dumb enough or if they want to. and by being their parent, you have to take the fall for the majority of it.

like i'm saying, i'm no model child or whatever, but come on. 2 kids raised exactly the same will never turn out the same, you just have to look at the average family for that sort of thing. people do what the fuck they want. and that includes kids.

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« Reply #199 on: April 11, 2007, 04:27:25 PM »

If I have children with a woman she'll have to be an extrovert without any personality disorders. Heaven forbid I have a kid that's scared of people like I am.

On the other hand I should be happy if I can get anything at all.  :(


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« Reply #200 on: April 11, 2007, 04:28:27 PM »
I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
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« Reply #201 on: April 11, 2007, 04:28:59 PM »

If I have children with a woman she'll have to be an extrovert without any personality disorders. Heaven forbid I have a kid that's scared of people like I am.

On the other hand I should be happy if I can get anything at all.  :(



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« Reply #202 on: April 11, 2007, 04:30:03 PM »
I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

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« Reply #203 on: April 11, 2007, 04:33:01 PM »
I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

Yes, but I figure with kids out of the equation, that req could be tossed, too.  Just like I will toss your salad.

Also, if it makes you feel any better, you can pretend I have a uterus.
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« Reply #204 on: April 11, 2007, 04:33:33 PM »
I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

What about me?  :'(
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« Reply #205 on: April 11, 2007, 04:35:00 PM »
I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

Yes, but I figure with kids out of the equation, that req could be tossed, too.  Just like I will toss your salad.

Also, if it makes you feel any better, you can pretend I have a uterus.
I don't have a good imagination.

I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

What about me?  :'(
What about you?

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« Reply #206 on: April 11, 2007, 05:22:24 PM »
I don't see how not wanting kids is selfish.  To make it sound "selfish" you would have to make the definition so broad that the label could apply to just about anything in life.  "You go to church?  THAT'S SO SELFISH!"

I think it's selfish to limit yourself to just dick, and you should look at the broader picture.
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« Reply #207 on: April 11, 2007, 05:23:46 PM »
I don't see how not wanting kids is selfish.  To make it sound "selfish" you would have to make the definition so broad that the label could apply to just about anything in life.  "You go to church?  THAT'S SO SELFISH!"

I think it's selfish to limit yourself to just dick, and you should look at the broader picture.

I think it's selfish of you to limit yourself to fat men.
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« Reply #208 on: April 11, 2007, 05:25:06 PM »
I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

Yes, but I figure with kids out of the equation, that req could be tossed, too.  Just like I will toss your salad.

Also, if it makes you feel any better, you can pretend I have a uterus.
I don't have a good imagination.

I think we should get married at Disney World, Malek.
You seem like an introvert.

Sorry.

What about me?  :'(
What about you?


Not much, really.  :(
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« Reply #209 on: April 11, 2007, 05:28:24 PM »
I don't see how not wanting kids is selfish.  To make it sound "selfish" you would have to make the definition so broad that the label could apply to just about anything in life.  "You go to church?  THAT'S SO SELFISH!"

I think it's selfish to limit yourself to just dick, and you should look at the broader picture.

I think it's selfish of you to limit yourself to fat men.

We're in America, I do not have a choice.
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« Reply #210 on: April 11, 2007, 05:31:43 PM »
Gay men are usually fit. They have to be, men are such pigs!  >:(

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« Reply #211 on: April 11, 2007, 05:32:44 PM »
From my experience, fit men tend to be brutish and just have awful personalities.
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« Reply #212 on: April 11, 2007, 05:34:00 PM »
From my experience, fit men tend to reject me... <bitter tears>

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« Reply #213 on: April 11, 2007, 05:35:02 PM »
Oh yeah, well, at least I didn't fail the uh... test thing.
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« Reply #214 on: April 11, 2007, 05:36:06 PM »
Oh yeah, well, at least I didn't fail the uh... test thing.
I think people should start taking digs at me for not having sex in three years instead.

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« Reply #215 on: April 11, 2007, 05:37:42 PM »
Oh yeah, well, at least I didn't fail the test thing and not have sex AT THE SAME TIME.
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« Reply #216 on: April 11, 2007, 05:38:25 PM »
Oh yeah, well, at least I didn't fail the uh... test thing.
I think people should start taking digs at me for not having sex in three years instead.

You've said you haven't even hit on a chick during that time, though. So it's not like you're trying.

You can't be a failure if you don't try.














Nah, you're still a failure.
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« Reply #217 on: April 11, 2007, 05:39:20 PM »
Oh yeah, well, at least I didn't fail the uh... test thing.
I think people should start taking digs at me for not having sex in three years instead.

You haven't even hit on a chick though. It's not like you're trying.
Only because I'd get struck down badly. I haven't tried to lift 500 pounds over my head either, and that's because I can't.

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« Reply #218 on: April 11, 2007, 05:40:12 PM »
At least you're taller than me.
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« Reply #219 on: April 11, 2007, 05:41:03 PM »
Malek, please, I want to spank you with my copy of Discipline and Punish.
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« Reply #220 on: April 11, 2007, 05:50:43 PM »
I prefer electrical chords.

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« Reply #221 on: April 11, 2007, 06:01:10 PM »
Does anyone wanna have kids with me?
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