International Politics Thread - Disease and Disaster

[benjipwns]

BUILD. THE. NORTHERN. WALL.

[Madrun Badrun]

LOL conservatives changing channel from CBC when they called it for the Libs

[Madrun Badrun]

The BQ numbers really mess with a minority in a way that I'd like it.  It will make it hard for the feds to fight Bill-21.     

[OnlyRegret]

BQ really broke out big

[Madrun Badrun]

I grew up with the BQ being big so this feels like a return to normal for me but I guess I really shouldn't feel that way. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Neither Libs or Tories got over a third of the popular vote - that's kind of crazy. 

Bernier lost!!!!

[benjipwns]

Time for Quebexit

[Madrun Badrun]

Numbers might work for just Libs and NDP and with the NDP dying hard, it might make the minority stable for a good number of years. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Albertans on the CBC already complaining and talking about alienation.  Seems to happen everytime they lose.

[benjipwns]

now, Mr. President, it's important that while Canada is weak and divided: FIFTY-FOUR FORTY OR FIGHT!

[benjipwns]

sorry that was supposed to be a memo to the Oval Office

[Madrun Badrun]

Well, this night turned out a lot better than I hoped.

[benjipwns]

I attribute it to an "Era of Good Feelings" brought about by the Toronto Raptors championship.

[OnlyRegret]

oh man, I missed out on some cutting edge rhetoric in this country due to acknowledging American politics more

https://twitter.com/YVR_Hanson/status/1172311326078562305

https://twitter.com/YVR_Hanson/status/1172894732835442690

[shosta]

That's because public sector jobs can charge monopoly prices for goods

[shosta]

Privatize everything

[OnlyRegret]

if the government just employs everyone, things should be just fiiiine

[OnlyRegret]

That's because public sector jobs can charge monopoly prices for goods

is this more of that inane, vague thing called "the economy" again?

[shosta]

it's a little something i like to call the neoclassical consensus

[Madrun Badrun]

JT didn't even wait for Scheer to finish his speech.   What a chad move. 

[OnlyRegret]

NDP has 2x the votes of BQ but 7 less seats 

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya, the BQ has like 1/4 the candidates to get votes.

[OnlyRegret]

ndp can't go in on election reform since Conservatives are winning the popular vote so they'd benefit too lmao

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/wyattreed13/status/1186482511779717121

[OnlyRegret]

CBC panel with the everyone disappointing, except BQ which means disappointment for Canada, take

[kingv]

Canada has its first black Prime Minister!

[Raist]

https://twitter.com/Conservatives/status/1186650398037331968

[Boogie]

Goodale defeated, incoming Minister of Public Safety Bill Blair.

That’ll cause some meltdowns on the Left in the GTA. 

[kingv]

The New Deal was pretty good for America, so you vote on the new deal, enter a phase of British prosperity, win WWII, and bob on your uncle.

[Madrun Badrun]

Sask going all blue is a shame.  I don't even think any party actually represented rural voters this round. 

[Madrun Badrun]

Beaverton also had a pretty good night

https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/doug-ford-knocks-on-cellar-door-to-see-if-its-okay-to-come-out/
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/update-maxime-bernier-too-racist-even-for-quebec/
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/trudeau-win-inspires-next-generation-of-white-men-to-break-the-blackface-barrier/
https://www.thebeaverton.com/2019/10/andrew-scheer-frantically-asks-for-do-over-after-accidentally-voting-for-trudeau/

[OnlyRegret]

cbc with a good take on how divided people seem right now
it is a bit worrying given how this country isn't as remotely populous or spread out as the USA

[Nintex]

So Johnson won the backing on his deal but not on the timetable. So now elections seem likely. It all depends on the response of the EU.
The French have again already said: "NON!" but Germany pays so they decide.

Meanwhile Erdo met with Putin and he was so thirsty that he put the map of Syria on the table, while the camera's were still running.
So Putin waved with his hand and Erdogan quickly covered up his map of the spoils.

They came to an agreement which is very close to the agreement made between Turkey and the US.
Russia with the help of Syrian forces will help the Turks to clear out the proposed 'safe-zone' of YPG elements and other heavy weaponry.
Putin siding with Erdogan against the Kurds has made their position even worse today.

The Americans at the same time have dropped any pretense of fighting for human rights or democracy. The latest Pentagon plan is to guard the oil fields in Kurdish areas with 200 special forces and air power.
Basically doing what Trump wanted to do for a while in the Middle East: "Take the oil".

Iraq has told the US that their evacuated forces cannot stay in Iraq. Crossing out the plans of Esper to run counter terror-ops from Iraq.

As for Europe, France had to learn via Twitter that the Americans were pulling out and then had to scramble to remove their own special forces from the area.

[Madrun Badrun]

I don't know how you fix it when Alberta refuses to accept any change on oil.  Two-thirds of the country voted for progressive climate change and its only growing across canada.  When the Libs go out on a limb to go ahead with the pipeline and get nothing back other than blame for it happing too slow (which would happen with the Tories too), then its like why try?  The federal government would also need to work with the premier if they wanted to implement a real plan for getting their economy off of oil and that won't happen either. 

I think the best they could do is try to split off Sask. and Manitoba from the Tories as energy hardly affects them.  They vote Tories because the Libs never really acknowledge their specific problems.  I'd love to see the NDP move away from campaigning on social issues (since its basically the same stance as the Libs and Greens most of the time) and move back to unions, workers, and farmers to try to get the prairies back.

[OnlyRegret]

not like quebec is big on unity either, they are big on getting to erode religious liberties at their own discretion

[Madrun Badrun]

Honestly, I'm happy for Quebec nationalism as long as its not separatism.  I don't necessarily think it also has to result in the xenophobia it has and stuff like Bill 21.  I think there is a way where you can have a strong national Quebec and still have strong unity, and with separatism being on a decline there, this might be a step towards that. 

There is also a big difference in that the BQ is fairly close to ideology on most things to the Libs, NDP, and Greens and Bill 21 is really only the major clash - right now, Quebec wants the same things as most of Canada.   That's a very different disunity than BQ was in the 90's.  With Alberta, they are clashing on what is probably the biggest issue for a majority of voters either way. 

[OnlyRegret]

most of albertan displeasure is summed up with economic anxiety unironically, so they're just pissed off in general
I live there and all my relatives vote blue or red generally, even if they fit as "young PoCs"

country has frankly insufficient nationalism, knock american flag fetishes all you want but without a strong sense of nation it collapses into smaller scale regional bickering and no sense of unity

[shosta]

I'd love to see the NDP move away from campaigning on social issues (since its basically the same stance as the Libs and Greens most of the time) and move back to unions, workers, and farmers to try to get the prairies back.

fascist third positionism

[OnlyRegret]

I'd love to see the NDP move away from campaigning on social issues (since its basically the same stance as the Libs and Greens most of the time) and move back to unions, workers, and farmers to try to get the prairies back.

Nazi third positionism

nazis made the nationalism and socialism combo awkward because I unironically end up with values that end up nationalist and socialist with various politic tests and I'm like shit, I can't list those two next to one another even though nazis being socialist is ameriboomer talking points

[Madrun Badrun]

I don't think you need a strong national identity to have national unity.  It might make Albertans less likely to talk about leaving, but it wouldn't solve the issue that they depend on an economy that the rest of Canada and the world are moving away from.  Strong national identity doesn't necessitate strong national unity, just look at Appalachia.   

[OnlyRegret]

Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.
Honestly, people just give a shit about their next paycheck here and for a lot of people that is their biggest worry. Suicide and drug abuse has been spiking around here.

Frankly, a lot of the debate has been framed, malicious intent or not, as being antagonist to Alberta. As a result correlating with the atmosphere of misery there is an uptick of hostility. That the feds/rest of the country/whatever wants to push the economy further down.

[Madrun Badrun]

Good map  https://jsfiddle.net/zgv2fqub/1/

[shosta]

Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.

If Quebec wanted to be independent, what would that be any of your business?

[OnlyRegret]

Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.

If Quebec wanted to be independent, what would that be any of your business?

if they want out, sure, let them out
I don't care to force them to stay, I'm fine with the rest of the country sticking together and lessening the squabbles and neglect angst, and the various separatist drama like what will be here soon

[OnlyRegret]

really, alberta isn't that guaranteed conservative bedrock anymore
even the libs took seats in 2015, ndp took provincial power that year and currently has the sole non-blue seat (in edmonton), calgary has had a muslim mayor for 9 years now
alberta is also like 1/4 non-white now

strategy going forward would probably be to accept some parts will never vote blue and see if you can coax some of the contested areas away by prioritizing

[Madrun Badrun]

That's what I'd like to see, same with Sask.  Though I think it's hard to get past the energy propaganda that anyone but tories will destroy the economy.  Libs need to find new seats somewhere and it won't be Quebec or BC, so they can either move more left and eat the NDP vote to stop the vote splitting - which I think is what will happen with the minority government - or they can try to peel away specific prairie ridings, while still maintaining southern Ontario.  Likewise, I think the NDP could win these if they focused on them.  Still I don't know how you get past the climate change issue to do this.  Still, maybe we will be in a better place in 2 or 3 years.

[OnlyRegret]

Honestly, libs and cons are not worlds apart, my family/relatives swapped red in 2015 and then a bunch back to blue in 2019, it isn't entirely out of the question to chip away at the blue base here.
I don't particularly feel bad about the Albertan O&G sector existing so long as oil is consumed, I just wish they'd gun towards being less dependent on it. Otherwise you end up in the current situation where people are just pissed and really it can't be fixed how they want it to be.

Not surprised by the rage since, coincidentally, Husky elected to do this today.
https://www.bnnbloomberg.ca/husky-energy-confirms-layoffs-sources-say-hundreds-of-jobs-affected-1.1335493

[Madrun Badrun]

Ya I want the energy sector to continue and I'm for pipelines - I just want them to invest that money into green tech and I want them to get off coal and gas powerplants - which I think only works completly if they switch to nuclear right now - which no one will do.  I doubt they could fully switch to solar and wind right now.  The idea that we could shut down oil and gas and have any effect on climate change that way is a bit crazy. 

Reddit comments, with no sources, told me Husky has been in trouble for a while and the Alberta government had them decrease production to increase oil cost.  Regardless of the carbon tax and most of Canada's push for climate change progress, I think the energy sector would have been in trouble anyways. 

[OnlyRegret]

Oh, I don't think it is a spur of the moment layoff, just that morning after elections timing is a little dirty.
I wish the world as a whole would float the idea of some the more novel nuclear technologies but so far the greenest bunch want to lock in to just solar+wind. Which I really don't see working out, especially solar for ~1/3 of the year here. What can or can't be done somehow gets pushed as being a conservative talking point.

Alberta is a tricky situation right now and you'd have to pick a slice to cater to since it is far from unanimous internally. The general economic anxiety just pushes them to vote anger.

[Brehvolution]

https://i.imgur.com/N83r8iK.mp4

[Madrun Badrun]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/39-dead-truck-container-england-1.5331636

[shosta]

[Nintex]

Maybe if you checked anything at the 5 borders crossed you would've found them earlier.

[Madrun Badrun]

edit *my joke didnt work

[Nintex]

edit *my joke didnt work

Wow how could you joke about such a horrible event of human suffering 

[Madrun Badrun]

Yes, I shouldn't have joked about your life - im sorry. 

[team filler]

https://twitter.com/maduro_en/status/1187095339016314880

 

[Rufus]

Maybe if you checked anything at the 5 borders crossed you would've found them earlier.

Maybe if there were no checks at all, they wouldn't have felt the need to takes this risky route.

[benjipwns]

Patriotism and the like does curb separatism and intranational bickering by painting it negatively, which would be nice right now.

If Quebec wanted to be independent, what would that be any of your business?

Same as the Union's with the Confederacy.

[OnlyRegret]

looks who trying to push something
https://twitter.com/ezralevant/status/1187046260211159041