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Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 04:15:39 AM
Windows 8 is almost here. Is it worth getting or should I just upgrade to 7? Is there any chance 8 will bomb and the Windows Store won't fuck everything up and have Mac as the standard OS in 5 years?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Takao on October 24, 2012, 04:18:43 AM
Do Windows 7. Windows 8 looks like Microsoft trying to spin synergy between devices without realizing that different devices require different methodologies.  They'll probably have sorted that out by Windows 9 ... hopefully.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 24, 2012, 04:22:19 AM
why can't they just stick with 7? apple has been using osx for 10 YEARS and it's still fucking awesome.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 24, 2012, 04:25:29 AM
Upgrade to 8.

You still have the desktop just better. You want that filthy start button back? Then hack it back.

Some articles:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
http://www.techspot.com/review/561-windows8-vs-windows7/
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 24, 2012, 04:29:09 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-3UR-00001-Windows-8-Pro/dp/B008H3SW4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351067212&sr=8-1&keywords=windows+8

Pre-order Select Windows 8 Software, Get a $30 Amazon.com Promotional Credit

Through October 27, 2012, purchase select Windows 8 software and get a $30 Amazon.com promotional credit toward the purchase of items shipped and sold by Amazon.com (certain exclusions apply, including Kindle books, MP3s, and video rentals and downloads). The promotional credit will be emailed thirty days after your order ships. Offer valid when shipped and sold by Amazon.com. See full terms and conditions for more details.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 24, 2012, 04:37:15 AM
Windows 8 is almost here. Is it worth getting or should I just upgrade to 7?

Hell no. Windows ME for LIFE.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 24, 2012, 04:42:34 AM
I'll upgrade to Windows 8 if I can get my hands on a free copy. The new Metro interface looks awful, but the improved support for SSDs and overall performance increase would be nice.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: The Sceneman on October 24, 2012, 07:47:11 AM
why can't they just stick with 7? apple has been using osx for 10 YEARS and it's still fucking awesome.

yeah, Apple haven't released any new operating systems that you have to pay for in the past 10 years.....

Oh, hold on, I just checked Wikipedia and it seems they have released a lot of them!

5.1 Public Beta: "Kodiak"
5.2 Version 10.0: "Cheetah"
5.3 Version 10.1: "Puma"
5.4 Version 10.2: "Jaguar"
5.5 Version 10.3: "Panther"
5.6 Version 10.4: "Tiger"
5.7 Version 10.5: "Leopard"
5.8 Version 10.6: "Snow Leopard"
5.9 Version 10.7: "Lion"
5.10 Version 10.8: "Mountain

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 24, 2012, 08:11:24 AM
anyone know if you can do a full install from the 8 upgrade package like you could with 7?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Diunx on October 24, 2012, 08:58:19 AM
Gonna pirate it to see what the fuss is about.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 24, 2012, 10:05:58 AM
why can't they just stick with 7? apple has been using osx for 10 YEARS and it's still fucking awesome.

Apple and MS name upgrades differently. Apple also releases smaller updates more rapidly, so they don't get into a Vista situation (as easily.)

A new Windows is basically 2-3 OS X updates rolled into one.

Well, Windows RT kinda throws a wrench into the analogy because it basically is a completely new OS, but I think the point stands
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 24, 2012, 10:40:35 AM
windows 8 *is* 7 you doof
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 24, 2012, 01:57:43 PM
I was using it as if it were 7 on my laptop for a while, but I've slowly drifted towards using the new-style apps and browser a lot when I'm in my "randomly dicking around" mode, a nice thing about that is then they don't clutter up your desktop windows or consume resources etc. when you switch to the desktop for "actually getting something done" mode. Since I do a lot of both on my laptop (well ... aspire to get things done, anyway) this is actually close to ideal for me
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: naff on October 24, 2012, 10:31:20 PM
So have they got trackpads that actually work for this OS like the magic trackpad? Can't imagine anyone actually wanting to touch their screen to do stuff (it's like anti-ergonomics), looks like it would work fine with a mouse and kb but it would be really nice if they improve the way windows works with trackpads, shit's so horrendous as it stands and it would be awesome to have good trackpad support. Guess I'll give it a shot soon anyway, no doubt I'll get some free copies through MSDN, looks like it'll be a good OS for a new media center
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 25, 2012, 04:19:52 AM
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-3UR-00001-Windows-8-Pro/dp/B008H3SW4I/ref=sr_1_1?s=software&ie=UTF8&qid=1351152875&sr=1-1&keywords=windows+8
Is this an upgrade package or the real version?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 25, 2012, 04:48:38 AM
"Upgrade your Windows 7, XP, or Vista PC with Windows 8 Pro"
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 25, 2012, 05:04:25 AM
"Upgrade your Windows 7, XP, or Vista PC with Windows 8 Pro"

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/item-Details.asp?EdpNo=3947206&sku=M17-3200

This is why it's confusing it says upgrade specifically on this one and the box is different.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 25, 2012, 05:18:28 AM
Huh? You might be right even though the product feature, description and FAQ all mention upgrade it seems like it's the real version.

http://www.theverge.com/2012/8/21/3257406/windows-8-pro-price-upgrade-price
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Takao on October 25, 2012, 08:41:25 AM
why can't they just stick with 7? apple has been using osx for 10 YEARS and it's still fucking awesome.

yeah, Apple haven't released any new operating systems that you have to pay for in the past 10 years.....

Oh, hold on, I just checked Wikipedia and it seems they have released a lot of them!

5.1 Public Beta: "Kodiak"
5.2 Version 10.0: "Cheetah"
5.3 Version 10.1: "Puma"
5.4 Version 10.2: "Jaguar"
5.5 Version 10.3: "Panther"
5.6 Version 10.4: "Tiger"
5.7 Version 10.5: "Leopard"
5.8 Version 10.6: "Snow Leopard"
5.9 Version 10.7: "Lion"
5.10 Version 10.8: "Mountain

So they went from Bear to Cats to Landforms?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: chronovore on October 25, 2012, 11:39:30 AM
"Upgrade your Windows 7, XP, or Vista PC with Windows 8 Pro"

Interesting; previous Windows upgrades supported ALL previous, full versions of Windows, as long as it had a valid registration code. It's the only reason I still have my WinME discs.  :-[
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 12:03:00 PM
This convinced me with Win 8.

It's much faster in desktop mode trying to find and organize shit. I hate how with windows as it is now, I have to fucking open up my computer, go to program files, and then find all this shit, by going from folder to folder.

In this video, the guy searches for oblivion mods and instantly gets it and it TELLS YOU HOW MUCH DISK SPACE it's taking up, which regular windows doesn't (you have to right click, go to properties, and then see how much disk space it's taking).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VnsHmVs1UA
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 25, 2012, 12:09:46 PM
If you want to know the file size you can just press Win + "search term" and hover over the result list in Windows 7. It's not as pretty, but probably faster than what that dude is doing in the video. I think the only improvements I'm interested in are under the hood.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 12:10:15 PM
I'm on Vista.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 25, 2012, 12:12:29 PM
Oh, then it's probably worth to upgrade regardless. I think I'll wait until I build a new computer next summer.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 25, 2012, 12:19:39 PM
Heh, that's a really old alpha version of Windows 8 in that video.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 25, 2012, 12:22:33 PM
Man, just saw the launch stream and I AM PUMPED for the awesome looking transformer PC devices everywhere.

Pictures:


(http://i.imgur.com/KD8lu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/t0ook.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iQIDA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/nlIOl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kEehh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uTRNH.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/oL44m.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HaUUB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xtBuh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/EDtD4.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6VxlK.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XvXMo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gzDdr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/XoIRq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/irBWQ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jtYU8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1nepY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FfL2V.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tfs8A.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/xHRrV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9udGa.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SJIvG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1S1ry.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qVDH9.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YYJ7e.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/S2R0f.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PAwgS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pNrb5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/iHRKg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/PxawZ.jpg)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 12:28:46 PM
Did Microsoft put out a gesture mouse and did hard manufacturers start putting in gesture touchpads for windows based os due to win 8? Because if they're just sticking with the tablet stuff, microsoft is dumber than I thought. They should take a cue from apple in that regard, and include gesture mice/touchpad in their os design.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 12:29:36 PM
Man, just saw the launch stream and I AM PUMPED for the awesome looking transformer PC devices everywhere.

Pictures:



can't see shit
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 25, 2012, 12:34:05 PM
You mean stuff like this?

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/touch-technology
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/mice  (Three touch mice there)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 25, 2012, 12:34:38 PM
Man, just saw the launch stream and I AM PUMPED for the awesome looking transformer PC devices everywhere.

Pictures:



can't see shit

How literal.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 12:36:44 PM
Yeah, I see MS put out a touch mouse. Smart.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2411224,00.asp

But what about multi touch for trackpads on new laptops that have win 8?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 25, 2012, 12:40:22 PM
I will reupload the pics. Give me a minute.

Some stuff I searched on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBvjNKdXHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwCZ8YKNmBc

I don't like laptops/touchpads so recursive can take it from here.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: bork on October 25, 2012, 12:48:00 PM
Is Windows 8 going to be worth the upgrade without a touchscreen monitor?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 12:55:56 PM
I will reupload the pics. Give me a minute.

Some stuff I searched on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGBvjNKdXHk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwCZ8YKNmBc

I don't like laptops/touchpads so recursive can take it from here.

I can see Win 8 being a huge success if they include this technology in ALL Win 8 laptops from release and give good tutorials on how to use it. You have to remember that laptops is where computing is these days and MS has to stay with the crowd in order to make the big bucks if they're going to go with a ballsy idea like Win 8.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 25, 2012, 01:57:55 PM
There's a standard set of new touchpad gestures defined by Microsoft but AFAIK it's not mandated that everyone support them, and many still don't, in fact I think even the touchpads in Microsoft's own Surfaces don't (because they think they're too small and you'd accidentally trigger the edge swipes too much). Personally, I'm quite happy just using my touchpad with the normal mouse methods of swoop around corner etc., but then I've always had a specific way of using a touchpad (turn up to near highest speed and roll my finger for finer movement) which happens to work well with moving to the edges and stuff. If I used a touchpad with normal speed I could definitely see myself being frustrated with the new UI in some areas, at least without learning keyboard shortcuts.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 25, 2012, 02:03:08 PM
I'm just saying that if Microsoft wants to put Windows 8 on home computers, they need to make gestures and touch pads/mice with multi-touch a standard for using windows operating systems.

You can't just put people in a room, say you want them to play with a specific toy without the means to play with that toy. When you first boot up Win 8, you're greeted with a screen that you have to click and drag in order to reach the log on screen. This is fine for tablets because a simple swipe works. But for a home computer, using the mouse to click and drag is cumbersome. If it were mac, they'd just have you use two fingers on your mouse or touch pad to gesture without clicking and grabbing and you'd swipe like it were any ordinary tablet or touch smart phone.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 25, 2012, 02:51:27 PM
You haven't had to click and drag to open the lockscreen for 5+ months now, you just click now (or hit any key). That's the problem with trying to get a sense of the OS from watching random Youtube videos, many of them were taken on older builds.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Vizzys on October 25, 2012, 11:57:09 PM
worth downloading for the quick boot times alone

also turn off metro and ribbon garbage asap
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: ManaByte on October 26, 2012, 01:23:02 AM
why can't they just stick with 7? apple has been using osx for 10 YEARS and it's still fucking awesome.

yeah, Apple haven't released any new operating systems that you have to pay for in the past 10 years.....

Oh, hold on, I just checked Wikipedia and it seems they have released a lot of them!

5.1 Public Beta: "Kodiak"
5.2 Version 10.0: "Cheetah"
5.3 Version 10.1: "Puma"
5.4 Version 10.2: "Jaguar"
5.5 Version 10.3: "Panther"
5.6 Version 10.4: "Tiger"
5.7 Version 10.5: "Leopard"
5.8 Version 10.6: "Snow Leopard"
5.9 Version 10.7: "Lion"
5.10 Version 10.8: "Mountain

So they went from Bear to Cats to Landforms?

(http://i.imgur.com/cDRAC.jpg)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 26, 2012, 01:47:39 AM
I'm gonna be installing Windows 8 on my desktop and I'm all ready. I got one of these awesome new logitech touchpads. It cost an arm and a leg but its got all the gesture controls for windows 8.

Logitech t650
(http://www.logitech.com/assets/46161/3/t650-wireless-rechargeable-touchpad.jpg)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 26, 2012, 01:53:10 AM
yeah its totally worth it considering its rechargable and its glass so its super easy to clean. The gestures take a little while to get used to and aren't as fast as me using a mouse. But the convenience and ability to use them is nice and beats using "buttons" for simple stuff like pinch to zoom.

Now to see if I can't swap my SSD in the process of this fresh install. I want to get MLC cause of the reliability. Windows 8 I hear is very very nice when it comes to SSD's.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 26, 2012, 02:32:57 AM
if your on the fence about windows 8 why not give it a try for $14.99?

http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US (http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US)

Put in whatever you want for the model number and follow the instructions. Its easy as pie and you can even pay with paypal.

Yes you can do fresh installs
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 26, 2012, 02:37:06 AM
worth downloading for the quick boot times alone

also turn off metro and ribbon garbage asap

Boo this man!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 04:02:03 AM
I Installed it on one of my computers for shits and giggles although I will definitely keep windows 7 on my laptop. Its both interesting and a bit weird and some of that is just because its new and some of its because its a bit awkward.

I think it probably makes a great tablet interface and there are parts of it that feel nice on the desktop but if my friends ask, I'm gonna just recommend they stick with 7.


It is kinda nice to have my xbox live and windows experience kind of unified though.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Reb on October 26, 2012, 04:34:30 AM
worth downloading for the quick boot times alone

also turn off metro and ribbon garbage asap

Boo this man!

Boooooooooooo
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 26, 2012, 05:22:46 AM
Well I can say this much the mouse pad I bought earlier tonight is faster on Windows 8 so much faster its kinda mind boggling. I think it knows what I'm gonna do before I'm doing it. Windows 7 was kind of awkward with it and slow.

JESUS at the start up times wow!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 26, 2012, 05:47:26 AM
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/downloads/mouse-keyboard-center

For any MS touch mouse users, make sure you get this new software update to get the most out of your mice.

Either from there or via Windows Update.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: originalz on October 26, 2012, 09:58:42 AM
Well, I'm satisfied with Windows 8 so far.  Bought, downloaded, and installed it.  My PC restarts and lets me choose between Windows 8 and 7, wasn't expecting that.  Choose 8, immediately get the BSOD with the sad face, computer restarts and does so every single time I select the OS.  I eventually choose 7, tells me that the instillation failed and that they restored my Windows 7 shit.

wtf
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 26, 2012, 10:09:44 AM
Did you get this, originalz?

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest/2012-10-11/microsoft-windows-8-2-new-japanese-moe-mascots-revealed

(http://i.imgur.com/BxDCI.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/z1BDY.png)

And it sounds like you installed it on a different partition? I usually wipe out everything and start fresh but then again you need an OEM/system builder copy of Windows 8 for this.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: originalz on October 26, 2012, 10:19:20 AM
I have no idea what the hell I did, I just ran the downloader, bought the license, and ran the installer, I didn't have any options to change anything or where it goes.  I'm bloody lucky it kept my Windows 7 install since otherwise I'd be SOL.  No way in hell am I going to wipe everything after that, besides the main reason I'm even upgrading is because it's supposedly super-easy to do so from 7 without losing shit.

I'd contact Microsoft support but apparently you gotta pay money for them to solve your problem?  What kind of shit is that.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 26, 2012, 10:21:36 AM
Oh, so you used an installer.

Since I am not familiar with your situation, how about posting about it on GAF: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=496288

I can post it for you, if you wish.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: originalz on October 26, 2012, 10:26:42 AM
Eh, I'm gonna go to bed soon so don't really care, I'm in no real rush to upgrade.  Guess I should have known better to do so on the first day anyway, I'm sure it'll be a common-enough complaint with enough time so I'll just wait for them to figure their shit out before trying again.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 10:53:07 AM
Played with it for a few hours this morning as I was pretty sleepy last night. It's okay. I mean I'm getting use to it and I can do whatever I could do in the past. It's just a matter of breaking my ingrained natural habits of how I use to do things. It's like those things had become second nature after doing them thousands of times so its hard to break those habits, even though if I had learned it this way it would seem natural also.

I mean you can rightfully ask the question are the benefits worth it to re-map your brain and I would guess for most normal users the answer would be no but whatever.

Its a tablet interface sort of grafted and merged with the desktop experience. It's neither as bad as I thought it would be nor as useful as Microsoft touts it to be. I mean honestly the most useful stuff for me is the xbox integration .

The installation went fairly smoothly for me. I did an upgrade from windows 7 although I did have to turn off my dataplex caching software as it currently doesn't support windows 8.

http://www.nvelo.com/support/dataplex/help/when-will-dataplex-support-windows-8
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Robo on October 26, 2012, 11:03:08 AM
What is the Xbox integration, exactly?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 11:10:11 AM
What is the Xbox integration, exactly?

Basically if you have an xbox live account that's what you are signing on with into windows 8. So at all times on the computer you have a decent portion of the functionality of xbox live. You can see your friends list. Who's on, etc.

There is a smart glass application that allows you to run some basic functionality on your xbox. Like you can launch a game on xbox from windows and easily push video content from the computer to your xbox. Stuff like that. Also some of the metro apps use your xbox live account for achivements and stuff.

Nothing revolutionary but at no time when I originally signed up for xbox live, did I ever think it would be integrated at this core level into my windows PC.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 26, 2012, 11:14:53 AM
When are they going to introduce XBLA games?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 11:16:20 AM
When are they going to introduce XBLA games?

Well they already have some up. Like Hydro Thunder. Stuff like Jetpack Joyride is also up. I earned an achievement in it for instance.

http://www.xbox.com/en-US/windows/games
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: originalz on October 26, 2012, 11:30:02 AM
Apparently Windows comes with 3 months of free support so I wasted some time talking to an online technician.  They had a fit because I had a few programs that weren't listed as compatible and that an update was required, games like Torchlight and Dirt 3.  Those games auto-update through Steam, and I highly doubt they're causing my problems.  They refused to let me go on until I took care of it, so I told them I'd look into it and contact them later.  Worthless.

When they started things up they also let me know what a valued customer I am:

"Just to let you know this is the Premium Service package, for this time I will do it for FREE because you are in your 90 day of warranty, but usually costs for $99 plus taxes. I really understand how frustrating this could be for you, I am a customer as well, so I'll do my best for you."

Gee, thanks a lot, I really feel like you guys are really going the extra mile for me, giving me FREE support that I'm entitled to within my first day of warranty!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 26, 2012, 12:23:59 PM
fuck it....


liking 8 so far....now i know why reviewers docked the store even though the os is so new.  the apps that are in there are fucking shit.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Momo on October 26, 2012, 12:37:02 PM
fuck it....


liking 8 so far....now i know why reviewers docked the store even though the os is so new.  the apps that are in there are fucking shit.
Never owned an xbox?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Momo on October 26, 2012, 12:37:41 PM
meh after edit my reply makes no sense
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 12:39:41 PM
I must say, that I dislike the idea of the store and as a budding pc gamer, I don't like the implications.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 26, 2012, 12:41:35 PM
fuck it....


liking 8 so far....now i know why reviewers docked the store even though the os is so new.  the apps that are in there are fucking shit.
Never owned an xbox?

sorry about that....figured the bitching about ads will fall on deaf ears.  i fucking hate advertising and it makes my eye twitch when people act like its no big deal so i try to keep the hate to myself.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 26, 2012, 12:42:32 PM
How Stella got her Google back, mofos. (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/get-your-google-back.html)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 12:46:04 PM
To be fair, Arde0, I haven't used win 8. But on xbox the ads are mostly just ways to generate news on what is new on xbl. I don't take them as ads so much as I take them as "hey, check out what you can do on xbox live now" it's not like they're trying to make you buy a car with a car ad or something, they're very specific to the exact service you're using.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 12:47:29 PM
How Stella got her Google back, mofos. (http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/get-your-google-back.html)

 :-[
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 12:47:58 PM
I must say, that I dislike the idea of the store and as a budding pc gamer, I don't like the implications.

I must say that now that I've actually used the product the whining from the usual pc crowd is overblown as usual. You still can do everything you use to do on the desktop as before relating to games. It eliminated nothing. Nothing has changed. All it does it put in a microsoft app store/xbox live integration kinda layer situation which will either fall or stand on the quality of the products they put in place. It does nothing to hurt steam from what I've seen so far. In a way its widgets taken to its next logical conclusion step.

I will say that from a business/office perspective I would much prefer windows 7. Much cleaner and to the metal by comparison. For average joe sixpack its probably a push. It's something that probably makes things a little easier but honestly not by that much especially if they are already use to windows 7.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 12:55:19 PM
But that's exactly the problem: if microsoft introduces an app store with xbl games, profiles, friends lists, and all of this comes with win 8 prepackaged that completely undercuts the other services and they'll have to find other ways to do their services. It's like going third party on a Nintendo console now. THAT is the issue, not that you won't be able to run pc games. It is hardly overblown, and they have a reason to be mad; microsoft just butt fucked the pc gaming status quo and now they'll have to finds to go around that.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 26, 2012, 12:56:19 PM
definitely overblown.....the xbox/app store integration is fine with me.  steam and origin still work exactly like they did before.


Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 12:58:05 PM
But that's exactly the problem: if microsoft introduces an app store with xbl games, profiles, friends lists, that completely undercuts the other services and they'll have to find other ways to do their services. It's like going third party on a Nintendo console now. THAT is the issue, not that you won't be able to run pc games. It is hardly overblown, and they have a reason to be mad; microsoft just butt fucked the pc gaming status quo and now they'll have to finds to go around that.

You're completely overblowing the situation imo which is separate debate from whether Microsoft has a right to do what they want with their own fucking os anyway. But I'll digress as I think the argument is ultimately boring. Steam has not been "butt fucked". It will keep on churning along and going what it does as will other desktop apps. There will also be these metro apps in the ecosystem. No reason to act like the sky is falling.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 12:59:12 PM
I don't find it overblown at all. Why use the other services if Microsofts basically put xbl on your desktop with all your xbl games accessible? From that perspective, I can see why some pc developers are worried, even if I think it's awesome I'll be able to play my xbla games on my computer.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 26, 2012, 01:01:24 PM
i want a steam metro app that launches in big picture mode.  gives me wood thinking about it.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 01:05:30 PM
I don't find it overblown at all. Why use the other services if Microsofts basically put xbl on your desktop with all your xbl games accessible?

I know right. Because nobody uses Chrome right and every PC user in the world uses internet explorer and bing and nobody currently uses Steam or other digital distribution services. It's all just going to disappear in a year. The end is nigh!

 ::)

There is a reasonable worry to have with the idea of MS monopolies in certain cases.  Imo this is the not the one to necessarily get your panties in a bunch about. When they actively take away a service you had or make it nearly impossible to use that's when you can put on your worry hat. This metro thing is not going to replace desktop apps. Certainly not as implemented currently in Windows 8. I can safely be Nostradamus on this one.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 01:18:56 PM
I never said that dd services would be gone in a year. You are injecting hyperbole that never existed. All I said was that I understand that this will change the way some developers and dd services do their business, even if only slightly. You're acting like it will have zero impact; it will. How much impact is up to debate, but I don't see what's wrong with having a dialogue about it. Your Microsoft colors are showing, Stoney. Not all people who want to discuss shit are prone to hyperbole. What you're suggesting was never even hinted in this conversation, dude.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 26, 2012, 01:24:25 PM
Stoney: opinion on if this article is overblown?

http://kotaku.com/5936535/windows-8-is-not-good-for-gamers
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 01:27:28 PM
Yeah. I know butt fucked is such a neutral term.

I'll drop it because truthfully I don't give a shit. I don't think Windows 8 is some amazing thing. I don't even recommend people buy it unless they like xbox live or something. So if my MS color are flying then I'm doing a pretty piss poor job of it.

There are plenty of reasons to not like this os or prefer Windows 7. I just completely disagree with you and a lot of the arguments I've seen strike me as overblown.

Stoney: opinion on if this article is overblown?

http://kotaku.com/5936535/windows-8-is-not-good-for-gamers

If the fundamental argument is that the metro ecosystem is a huge issue that will ultimately doom or severely cripple gaming on the PC then yes. Including some of the very things that Gabe Newell himself has said then yes also. If the argument is more along the lines of the flaws of trying to graft a tablet interface into a desktop interface or other actual os issues then less so.

People aren't idiots when it comes to what they want out of things. If Metro apps provide uses that people find useful they will be bought and used. If they don't people will buy desktop apps. And some people will fall in the middle because its not just either or. The world doesn't have to be either or. It's a scale.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2012, 01:29:20 PM
Did anyone upgrade yet?

PS: I dont think you can even use your XBL points at this moment through W8 or mobile so the integration is still a long way off. Im more excited about better performance and great things like the People app.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 26, 2012, 01:33:24 PM
Will upgrade after a week. Kinda busy to bother now.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 26, 2012, 01:37:00 PM
How long is the 29.99 deal going for?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Reb on October 26, 2012, 01:43:11 PM
Januari first.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Robo on October 26, 2012, 01:44:12 PM
What are the Windows 8 achievements?

But seriously, though: http://www.xbox360achievements.org/game/minesweeper-w8/achievements/
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 26, 2012, 03:36:52 PM
For those who've tried 8, is there a compatibility mode for legacy apps like the XP mode for 7? How well does it run DOSBOX, early XP programs, etc...?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 04:00:29 PM
For those who've tried 8, is there a compatibility mode for legacy apps like the XP mode for 7? How well does it run DOSBOX, early XP programs, etc...?

Haven't tried but there is compatibility mode.

http://www.online-tech-tips.com/windows-8/run-a-program-in-compatibility-mode-in-windows-8/
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: cool breeze on October 26, 2012, 04:09:46 PM
8 is in a weird place where Microsoft made 7 so good that I'm completely satisfied with what I have.  I'll move onto 8 when I have a reason to, like I upgrade my PC or get a touch screen monitor.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 26, 2012, 04:34:32 PM
8 is in a weird place where Microsoft made 7 so good that I'm completely satisfied with what I have.  I'll move onto 8 when I have a reason to, like I upgrade my PC or get a touch screen monitor.

TBH I'm still running XP. Sure hope I'm not the only holdout on the board. It runs just fine for me but 7 does look good.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 26, 2012, 05:13:55 PM
some apps won't scroll with the mouse wheel at all...fucking annoying. 
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 26, 2012, 05:14:20 PM
8 is in a weird place where Microsoft made 7 so good that I'm completely satisfied with what I have.  I'll move onto 8 when I have a reason to, like I upgrade my PC or get a touch screen monitor.

I think a lot of people feel this way. It sort of feels similar to macs once that os hit such a high level that later small incremental improvements didn't really matter to me anymore. Also its sort of a weird time because of how the desktops are trying to find their way in a tablet world all of a sudden.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 26, 2012, 10:37:50 PM
What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 26, 2012, 11:14:23 PM
What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.

Do you have a valid windows 7 key? If so you can just fib about the pc you've purchased and use this link: http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US (http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US) It will cost you a cool $14.99 and you can do a clean install if you use media.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: ManaByte on October 27, 2012, 01:13:02 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180193/Windows_8_arrives_amid_serious_concerns_from_PC_game_devs.php#.UItdXLSPs_i
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2012, 01:57:26 AM
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/180193/Windows_8_arrives_amid_serious_concerns_from_PC_game_devs.php#.UItdXLSPs_i

Overblown. Hasn't changed shit. Not worth talking about.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 27, 2012, 02:14:03 AM
What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.


Came across this too. So check it out

http://www.onthehub.com/#back-to-school-discounts-on-windows-8-download (http://www.onthehub.com/#back-to-school-discounts-on-windows-8-download)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 02:45:00 AM
I might run Windows 8 if I can axe the start screen and bring back the start menu.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 27, 2012, 02:46:53 AM
I might run Windows 8 if I can axe the start screen and bring back the start menu.

The old start menu is trash :patel
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 27, 2012, 02:57:03 AM
The start menu has outlived its purpose anyway. It's faster to just search for what you need or to use keyboard shortcuts.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 03:06:37 AM
What are the best deals for a Win 8 upgrade for a student? I think I'm jumping on this since I think it's sexy.

Do you have a valid windows 7 key? If so you can just fib about the pc you've purchased and use this link: http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US (http://www.windowsupgradeoffer.com/en-US) It will cost you a cool $14.99 and you can do a clean install if you use media.

Okay, this worked. Thanks!

If I run into any problems, I'm gonna sue that shill Prole.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 03:32:05 AM
The old start menu is trash :patel
Nice shitpost, bro.

The start menu has outlived its purpose anyway. It's faster to just search for what you need or to use keyboard shortcuts.
I have 100+ windows programs categorized into subfolders on the start menu, not counting games. The start screen can't replace that functionality. I don't need to remember the names of all those apps in case I want to run one from the start menu, and the start menu already has 'search' built into it to find apps that way. There are no sub folders on the start screen or ways to tag, label, or group programs as far as I know. I don't like having to use the keyboard every time I want to find or sort through apps, either. It's a big mess like someone's desktop covered with icons. Not to mention the hideous color scheme. The start menu isn't perfect, but I don't see how the start screen replaces its functionality.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 27, 2012, 04:24:52 AM
The old start menu is trash :patel
Nice shitpost, bro.

The start menu has outlived its purpose anyway. It's faster to just search for what you need or to use keyboard shortcuts.
I have 100+ windows programs categorized into subfolders on the start menu, not counting games. The start screen can't replace that functionality. I don't need to remember the names of all those apps in case I want to run one from the start menu, and the start menu already has 'search' built into it to find apps that way. There are no sub folders on the start screen or ways to tag, label, or group programs as far as I know. I don't like having to use the keyboard every time I want to find or sort through apps, either. It's a big mess like someone's desktop covered with icons. Not to mention the hideous color scheme. The start menu isn't perfect, but I don't see how the start screen replaces its functionality.

Nice Assmad bro :smug
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 05:17:46 AM
I have 100+ windows programs categorized into subfolders on the start menu, not counting games.
The start screen can't replace that functionality. I don't need to remember the names of all those apps in case I want to run one from the start menu, and the start menu already has 'search' built into it to find apps that way.

wow 100+, that is like a whole page and a half of Apps screen
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 05:38:37 AM
I ended up getting a green (stuck?) pixel after upgrading to Win 8. If there's no easy fix then I will rage so hard. I'm a few minutes into the experience and I'm already regretting it!!!
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 05:44:05 AM
Fixed it by gently rubbing the screen. :lol

Easiest fix ever.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 07:55:01 AM
http://www.winsupersite.com/article/windows8/clean-install-windows-8-upgrade-media-144648

Gonna get an upgrade disc in an hour or so and blast my Windows 7 partition. I am really hoping that this will work. System Builder is $100 more expensive and it's ugly to boot. Fuck it.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 27, 2012, 07:57:35 AM
fuck, that $15 offer is too hard to resist. upgrading now - fingers crossed!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 07:59:05 AM
Read the article just in case, Positive.

And get Media Center back for free (limited time offer only): http://windows.microsoft.com/en-GB/windows-8/feature-packs
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Fifstar on October 27, 2012, 08:02:07 AM
Could get this for free via my university but I installed Windows 7 just 2 months ago and I don't really feel the need to switch now. What are the main advantages of Windows 8? It looks sexy, have to give that to Microsoft.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 08:05:59 AM
Could get this for free via my university but I installed Windows 7 just 2 months ago and I don't really feel the need to switch now. What are the main advantages of Windows 8? It looks sexy, have to give that to Microsoft.
FASTER

STRONGER

MORE POWERFUL

No really, just read this and see if it is worth it or not: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 27, 2012, 08:08:14 AM
meh, dont feel like i need a clean install. will burn the iso to a disc tho, just so i can have it handy. and actually, fifstar reminded me of something - i wonder if i can get this upgrade EVEN CHEAPER thru the university? because free or $5 is always better than $15.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 08:35:16 AM
Just bought it for 15 :rock

This is gonna be so sexay, I was deciding between getting W8 or Mists of Pandaria, but this is more exciting
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 11:22:12 AM
First impressions:

-Looks helluv sexy
-Why does W8 throw me out of metro when I want to surf the web? There should be a metro native IE app or something. It looks horrible to switch to desktop for this!
-Can't sign in to Xbox Live somehow, apparently they also let me know that my windows region is different from my xboxlive region???
-Can't update Music App
-Photos App doesnt reckognize any pictures in the pictures library
-Steam needs an APP asap
-How do you close apps? when I shift tab I can see them all runnning still wtf, coincidentally how do you keep em open?!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
 :lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Microsoft has the audacity to charge 1.19 for FILE EXPLORER.

I have a feeling I was cheated into buying half an OS
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 11:53:10 AM
Also I got my first BSOD already

(http://www.itknowledge24.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Windows_8_dpc_watchdog_violation.png)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 27, 2012, 11:58:17 AM
there is a native ie10, wth you doin'
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 11:59:22 AM
? There's Metro IE (which they just call "IE") and desktop IE. By default links open in Metro IE unless you open them from a desktop app, in which case they open in desktop IE. You can change this by going to desktop IE -> gear button -> Internet Options -> Programs (or go to start screen -> type "links" -> click "Settings" on the right).

Quote
How do you close apps? when I shift tab I can see them all runnning still wtf, coincidentally how do you keep em open?!

They're actually not running, the OS manages their lifetime, suspends them while their offscreen and hibernates them if you're low on memory, so you normally shouldn't have to close them. If you want to close them anyway because they're misbehaving or to clean out your alt-tab list or whatever, you can use one of the following methods:

* Drag the mouse from the top edge of the screen (the cursor should become a hand) to the bottom
* Hit Alt-F4
* Right-click on one of the thumbnails in the switcher bar that appears when you swing the mouse around a left-hand corner, and click close (or just middle-click if you've got three buttons)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 12:01:55 PM
I don't see any IE app wtf where can I find it?

Im not kidding btw. I cant find it.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 12:04:14 PM
There's not a tile with a big "e" on it? Wait, do you have something else as your default browser?

OK, this is fucked up, but the rule is that only the browser you set as default gets to have a "Metro" app. If you have Firefox or something as the default, you'll either have to set it to IE or wait for Firefox to release their own Metro version.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 12:07:36 PM
Chrome.

But, I mean, I cant even find IE when I look at ALL apps. Its not in the store either.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 12:09:37 PM
Yeah, it just won't appear unless you set it as your default. There should be a Metro version of Chrome now though?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 12:10:35 PM
Yup, I can happily confirm that you can fresh install using the retail upgrade boxes.

Posting from IE10 desktop. YAY.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 12:11:54 PM
Nope.

I can't have two browsers in the metro look?

Thanks for helping Rec.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2012, 12:14:26 PM
Lager, go here.

http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2012/10/get-your-google-back.html
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 12:22:42 PM
:bow my man :bow2

Why isnt this in the store though?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Reb on October 27, 2012, 12:58:40 PM
:lol :lol :lol :lol :lol

Microsoft has the audacity to charge 1.19 for FILE EXPLORER.

I have a feeling I was cheated into buying half an OS

Wait, what is this? This is a misunderstanding right?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 12:59:45 PM
You have file explorer in desktop ofc, but its not there in metro
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 01:16:23 PM
Mmm...MS didn't make that app.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 27, 2012, 01:23:02 PM
why would you use any other windows browser than ie ???
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 01:25:43 PM
Real talk: IE10 is fuck awesome. It's fast and fluid unlike IE9 and I love how it renders the pages (kinda boxy, dunno what to call it).

Sorry for shilling IE9 because that shit was NASTY in comparison.

And BTW someone should promote whoever designed the sexy Retail Upgrade packaging.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 01:29:56 PM
Now excuse me...I need to install my Hentai games.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 01:35:10 PM
:bow my man :bow2

Why isnt this in the store though?

It goes back to the fuckedupness of browsers in the MOSH immersive modern tailored Metro style WinRT Windows 8 style Windows Store new environment. You can't make a good browser that runs in the sandbox that apps you install through the store run in, so there's a special exception made for browsers - they can just be desktop apps which can do everything other desktop apps can do, but can also run in the new environment and use the features available there. Since they are really just desktop apps, you download and install them like any normal program instead of installing it through the store. This only works for the browser you set as default, probably done because otherwise apps would all start declaring themselves to be "browsers" to get this ability. It's a clever but kind of cheap and confusing hack.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 01:38:36 PM
Honestly, I see no reason to use IE Metro on a desktop PC.

On tablets and maybe laptops, sure.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 01:45:13 PM
Yeah, I use it on my laptop much of the time and enjoy it - I've started to get this visceral "WTF is all this crap" reaction when seeing the desktop browser chrome (yeah I could F11 fullscreen it, but that's too janky and inconsistent). It's weird having to switch to the desktop on the occasions I realize I want to compare two pages side-by-side or something, but not really annoying in practice. If I were on a full desktop monitor I'd probably just stay in the desktop 99% of the time though.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 01:51:42 PM
there is no official Metro File Explorer btw, those are all third party apps.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 02:01:55 PM
And for Himu: you can Right click --> Copy on an image in IE10 and it will copy the actual image source now.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2012, 02:05:14 PM
Wow, really? I may actually use IE10 when I get Win 8 then. Thanks for applying something firefox has had 10~ years, Microsoft.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 02:15:53 PM
One thing that bugs me about Metro IE10: WHY IS THERE AN "OPEN LINK" OPTION IN THE CONTEXT MENU WHEN YOU CAN JUST CLICK
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 02:18:14 PM
I bugged them for 2 years just for you, himu chan.  :-[

Also built in auto spell check. Only reason to use other browsers now is for addons and that's a valid complaint but for just browsing, IE10 is solid.

If you need AD Block, use the built in tracking protection: Tools --> Manage addons --> Tracking Protection --> add a list from the MS website. Fanboy list does the job well.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2012, 02:23:34 PM
I bugged them for 2 years just for you, himu chan.  :-[


 :-*
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 04:05:26 PM
Can someone help me with this issue: I don't know what I did, but right now I have a Chrome Metro installed, while my regular Win 7 Chrome is installed on the desktop. The two are completely separated save for Google Sync. The Metro app has subtle changes that I'm not fond of, and is quite buggy at the moment (e.g. I have the annoying thin ribbon at the top that steals some of my screen space, not to mention every time I close it then reopen it, I get the "google chrome was not properly shut down :(" error).

My roommate, on the other hand, has his desktop Chrome shortcut linked to Metro. How can I do that until the Metro version gets sorted out?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 27, 2012, 04:09:32 PM
How can I do that until the Metro version gets sorted out?

right click in metro start, then go to all apps and find Chrome then right click and pin to start. metro apps will be shown first so you will have to go past them to find the correct chrome.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 04:13:20 PM
I only have one Chrome in All Apps (Chrome icon on a black tile, it's the only one that looks like that), and that's the Metro version.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 04:29:01 PM
Read what I posted earlier about the browser situation - those two browsers are actually the same app (the same executable) running in a different mode. They are just pretending to be two separate apps for whatever reason. So it gets one tile and what that tile does depends on the browser's own settings, so there should be something in the Chrome settings somewhere (I should install it and see for myself)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 27, 2012, 04:30:01 PM
http://ozar.me/2012/10/why-im-returning-my-microsoft-surface-rt/
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 27, 2012, 04:31:30 PM
http://ozar.me/2012/10/why-im-returning-my-microsoft-surface-rt/

Once I get the surface pro my nexus 7 is going in the trash :teehee
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 27, 2012, 04:37:52 PM
Wow at this Office video. WTF MS?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 04:48:36 PM
You do realize that the Surface RT shipped with Office 2013 beta, right?

And they just issued a 500mb update that makes it the final version, for free.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 04:54:21 PM
Read what I posted earlier about the browser situation - those two browsers are actually the same app (the same executable) running in a different mode. They are just pretending to be two separate apps for whatever reason. So it gets one tile and what that tile does depends on the browser's own settings, so there should be something in the Chrome settings somewhere (I should install it and see for myself)

I couldn't find anything in Chrome's settings that gives me back control of which mode I should use. The popular workaround that's floating around is to unpin the Metro Chrome, then go to Chrome Desktop executable and pin it to the Start menu. However this solution can only go so far; as soon as you close the Chrome window the tile disappears from the Metro Start menu. To work around this a few registry edits are required... Registry edits make me uneasy, especially in cases involving app future app updates.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 04:57:27 PM
Just uninstall Chrome till they sort it out.

Stick with IE Metro or any Desktop browser in the mean time.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 05:06:06 PM
I'd rather stay without internet access than use IE.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 05:17:15 PM
OK, downloading Chrome now, let's see if I can work this out
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 05:18:33 PM
:wub
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 05:20:31 PM
I'd rather stay without internet access than use IE.
le sigh.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 05:30:14 PM
Uhhh wow, Metro Chrome is really fucked up. AFAICT the only way to use it on desktop without resorting to some dubious registry hacks is to pin it to the taskbar (right click on tile / All Apps search result, Pin to Taskbar) and run it from there. If you don't want to use IE you could just use Firefox while you wait for Google to get their shit together. Unlike Chrome Firefox's Metro version won't be included in the installs until it's ready, so it'll just open on the desktop everywhere. Lately Firefox has been getting better and Chrome has been getting worse anyway.

The Google Search app in the store is actually pretty good, though.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 06:10:11 PM
wow 100+, that is like a whole page and a half of Apps screen
Wow, what an insightful comment.  ::) The start screen seems fine for your average windows user, but not power users. Aside from the issues I mentioned, there's no context menu access from the start screen or apps list. Right clicking a shortcut gets you a very limited number of options. You have to go to the ironically named "C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu" folder to do management or creation of shortcuts that the apps screen uses. I'd be glad to use the start screen and apps list once someone points out how I can just as easily access, organize, and manage my shortcuts.

I'd also like to get rid of the desktop shortcuts like the charms bar which don't seem very useful for non-tablet users.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 27, 2012, 06:26:07 PM
what does chrome do that ie doesn't
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 06:28:20 PM
It doesn't have an obnoxiously bloated context menu on the desktop?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 06:32:44 PM
what does chrome do that ie doesn't
Adware

Oh wait
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 06:44:18 PM
The start screen seems fine for your average windows user, but not power users. Aside from the issues I mentioned, there's no context menu access from the start screen or apps list. Right clicking a shortcut gets you a very limited number of options. You have to go to the ironically named "C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Roaming\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu" folder to do management or creation of shortcuts that the apps screen uses.

isn't it ironic, I really do think

but you should probably just install a third-party start menu and be done with it.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 06:57:49 PM
isn't it ironic, I really do think

but you should probably just install a third-party start menu and be done with it.
Yeah, I have no problem installing Classic Shell or something similar. In fact I already have Win 8 running on virtualbox with Classic Shell installed and I'm happy with it. I just wanted to point out that the start screen isn't as useful for heavy power users as the start menu.

The start menu isn't perfect, of course. I always thought it would be better if you had the option to make the start menu appear from the position of the mouse cursor like a context menu, so you wouldn't have to move the mouse to the edge of the screen to launch a program.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 07:06:00 PM
what does chrome do that ie doesn't

Faster, more minimal, better extension support, shorter cycles of true seamless updates, so it's virtually getting better all time. EVEN AT THE TIME OF WRITING THIS! :o

(Disclaimer: First point could be arguable in light recent updates)

Edit: Did IE finally join the others in Syncing everything, btw?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 07:11:47 PM
IE10 install updates automatically. Faster update cycles are what ruined Firefox and currently speaking, Chrome.

But the point was, avoid Metro Chrome and stick with any Desktop browser or Metro IE.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 27, 2012, 07:26:37 PM
what does chrome do that ie doesn't

Faster, more minimal, better extension support, shorter cycles of true seamless updates, so it's virtually getting better all time. EVEN AT THE TIME OF WRITING THIS! :o

(Disclaimer: First point could be arguable in light recent updates)

Edit: Did IE finally join the others in Syncing everything, btw?

chrome speed versus ie9 is purely synthetic and of no practical or observational worth. on paper, yeah, ie10 is faster.

the point is: in the REAL WORLD, with REAL web usage, what makes ie such a horrible experience that you would reject it outright?

i use all three of the major browsers. all three start quick, and render 95% of the web sites i visit correctly. all three have some method, be it extensions or built-in options, to do things like ad blocking and spellchecking or the other big bullet points.

firefox likes to crash a lot these days, but beyond the petty opinions of the lowest form of developer -- web designer -- there is NO REAL PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE in day to day performance between the big three. you can swap any one of them out for the other and your experience may have a few trivial differences. there's no reason to stridently avoid one.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 27, 2012, 07:29:34 PM
what does chrome do that ie doesn't

Faster, more minimal, better extension support, shorter cycles of true seamless updates, so it's virtually getting better all time. EVEN AT THE TIME OF WRITING THIS! :o

(Disclaimer: First point could be arguable in light recent updates)

Edit: Did IE finally join the others in Syncing everything, btw?

Shaka, have you tried running old XP/7 applications or are you using designed-for-8 applications? I'm curious to see what people's experience has been with older applications in 8.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 07:34:46 PM
Edit: Did IE finally join the others in Syncing everything, btw?

It will sync favorites and history on Windows 8 if you sign in with a Microsoft account.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 07:41:04 PM
In other news, I just got to play with a Surface RT. The touch cover only took me a few minutes to get reasonably comfortable with typing on it. I guess I could probably do around 60-70 wpm on it, vs. ~40 on a software keyboard or ~80-90 on a real keyboard. It kinda made me want to get one, but I think I'll hold out for 2nd generation (not the Pro, but whatever comes after that).
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: demi on October 27, 2012, 07:44:09 PM
Not a fan of how Chrome handles bookmarks, and their options are tucked away in menus within menus. FireFox is just bloated, it's immediately noticable.

I browse porn sites, torrent sites, and more on IE9 and have had no issue. Shaka is a queen.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 07:46:09 PM
In other news, I just got to play with a Surface RT. The touch cover only took me a few minutes to get reasonably comfortable with typing on it. I guess I could probably do around 60-70 wpm on it, vs. ~40 on a software keyboard or ~80-90 on a real keyboard. It kinda made me want to get one, but I think I'll hold out for 2nd generation (not the Pro, but whatever comes after that).
No Type Cover in the wild?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 07:47:48 PM
Imo the main difference between Chrome, Firefox, and IE are the addons you can install.

If you think Firefox is too bloated try Pale Moon (http://www.palemoon.org/).
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 07:48:22 PM
Nope
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: demi on October 27, 2012, 07:50:06 PM
I forgot you registered here mjemir. I appreciated your opinions on strat games over on the other board and yor blog.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 07:59:59 PM
Shaka, have you tried running old XP/7 applications or are you using designed-for-8 applications? I'm curious to see what people's experience has been with older applications in 8.

It's pretty much the same as 7 save a few corner cases (probably the biggest one is that programs are no longer allowed to set default file associations automatically, they can only bring up a system dialog asking you to make the change. this can be confusing with older program installers that might say they've set the associations when actually it silently failed, though they'll still install and run fine and everything, and the next time you open a file with an extension the installer tried to map the system will ask you if you want to change the defaults)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 27, 2012, 08:02:31 PM
Shaka, have you tried running old XP/7 applications or are you using designed-for-8 applications? I'm curious to see what people's experience has been with older applications in 8.

It's pretty much the same as 7 save a few corner cases (probably the biggest one is that programs are no longer allowed to set default file associations automatically, they can only bring up a system dialog asking you to make the change. this can be confusing with older program installers that might say they've set the associations when actually it silently failed, though they'll still install and run fine and everything, and the next time you open a file with an extension the installer tried to map the system will ask you if you want to change the defaults)

OK thanks. What about the virtual XP machine that came with 7 for legacy apps? Does something similar still exist in 8? I've got old versions of CAD and MATLAB.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 27, 2012, 08:07:17 PM
chrome speed versus ie9 is purely synthetic and of no practical or observational worth. on paper, yeah, ie10 is faster.

the point is: in the REAL WORLD, with REAL web usage, what makes ie such a horrible experience that you would reject it outright?

i use all three of the major browsers. all three start quick, and render 95% of the web sites i visit correctly. all three have some method, be it extensions or built-in options, to do things like ad blocking and spellchecking or the other big bullet points.

firefox likes to crash a lot these days, but beyond the petty opinions of the lowest form of developer -- web designer -- there is NO REAL PRACTICAL DIFFERENCE in day to day performance between the big three. you can swap any one of them out for the other and your experience may have a few trivial differences. there's no reason to stridently avoid one.

In all honesty it all comes down to sticking to what already works, especially when there no vastly superior alternatives. Customization and add-ons made me drop Old IE for FF. Launch time, speed, memory consumption, and addition of extensions to Chrome made me drop FF for Chrome.

From your description it seems there aren't enough reasons to drop Chrome for IE right now. But who knows, quality of Win 8 support might do it in the near future.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 08:11:26 PM
OK thanks. What about the virtual XP machine that came with 7 for legacy apps? Does something similar still exist in 8? I've got old versions of CAD and MATLAB.

No idea, are you sure you really need the VM to run them in 7 either though? Isn't that really only for pathological cases?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 27, 2012, 08:13:23 PM
OK thanks. What about the virtual XP machine that came with 7 for legacy apps? Does something similar still exist in 8? I've got old versions of CAD and MATLAB.

No idea, are you sure you really need the VM to run them in 7 either though? Isn't that really only for pathological cases?

It's actually CAD I was thinking about...it was an older copy even for XP so I'd rather not get 8 up and running only to find out I'll have problems.

Well, it's not a big deal. I can wait for VMware Player or Virtual Box to be 8-ready.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 27, 2012, 08:31:53 PM
How do I turn of my PC in W8?

 :lol
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 08:34:43 PM
Hit the power button

but there's a power icon in the settings charm flyout.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 27, 2012, 08:36:00 PM
I forgot you registered here mjemir. I appreciated your opinions on strat games over on the other board and yor blog.
Thanks. My blog is still chugging along.. I can't seem to get the motivation to update it more than a few times a month. I like playing games more than I do writing about them.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 08:40:23 PM
How do I turn of my PC in W8?

 :lol
Charms bar --> Settings then Power.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: demi on October 27, 2012, 08:41:13 PM
I forgot you registered here mjemir. I appreciated your opinions on strat games over on the other board and yor blog.
Thanks. My blog is still chugging along.. I can't seem to get the motivation to update it more than a few times a month. I like playing games more than I do writing about them.

For sure. Hope to see you around here more.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 27, 2012, 08:52:37 PM
How quick is shut down?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 27, 2012, 08:57:38 PM
5 sec on my PC.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: bork on October 27, 2012, 09:25:50 PM
How do I turn of my PC in W8?

 :lol

Similar type of simple-dumb question- Was messing around with Win 8 at a store and couldn't find a way to exit out of programs using the touch screen...is the only way to do it with the Windows key?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 27, 2012, 10:00:03 PM
you don't exit programs; they are suspended, ala tablets. press the windows key.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 27, 2012, 10:16:27 PM
How do I turn of my PC in W8?

 :lol

Similar type of simple-dumb question- Was messing around with Win 8 at a store and couldn't find a way to exit out of programs using the touch screen...is the only way to do it with the Windows key?

from page 3

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How do you close apps? when I shift tab I can see them all runnning still wtf, coincidentally how do you keep em open?!

They're actually not running, the OS manages their lifetime, suspends them while their offscreen and hibernates them if you're low on memory, so you normally shouldn't have to close them. If you want to close them anyway because they're misbehaving or to clean out your alt-tab list or whatever, you can use one of the following methods:

* Drag the mouse from the top edge of the screen (the cursor should become a hand) to the bottom
* Hit Alt-F4
* Right-click on one of the thumbnails in the switcher bar that appears when you swing the mouse around a left-hand corner, and click close (or just middle-click if you've got three buttons)

but yeah, normally you can just press windows key / click lower left corner / swipe from right and tap start to go back to the start screen and launch/switch to another app.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 28, 2012, 03:40:41 AM
is there a tutorial on customizing the new start menu? because right now it looks like ass and i just want to make my own groupings with my own icons and it wont let me.  also i want to change around a bunch of those bullshit defaults on there. NO MICROSOFT I DO NOT NEED A FUCKING FINANCE BUTTON FFS
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 28, 2012, 04:00:24 AM
drag the tiles around to rearrange (drag it in between two groups until a vertical bar appears to start a new group), right-click to do stuff with them (like get rid of them. you can keep right-clicking to select multiple tiles and unpin them all at once), zoom out* to move whole groups around or rename a group

right click on programs in the apps / search screen or programs and folders in File Explorer to pin them to start. you can also pin some stuff from inside apps like individual people from the People app, websites from the browser, etc. you'd usually find this option in the right-click commands

also when your start screen gets really long you can quickly move a tile a long distance by dragging it to the bottom or top of the screen and ... seriously try it, it roxx

official tutorial is here (http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/start-screen#1TC=t1)

* by clicking in the "-" in lower-right corner, Ctrl-scrolling, Ctrl-"-" on keyboard, or pinch-zoom on multitouch trackpad or screen. this works in a lot of other apps/places too to see an overview of all the content and jump to a particular group or subheading etc.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 04:20:36 AM
The - + are very small on my 1080p monitor.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 28, 2012, 04:27:33 AM
the idea is it's in the corner so you can get there by moving anywhere in the general direction, yadda yadda. however what pisses me off is that this is only true in Start, inside of apps the button isn't quite in the corner so you can't do this, because of some snafu where they couldn't get it playing nice with the scrollbar in the app UI frameworks in time or something. it helps if you have a multitouch trackpad.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 04:29:12 AM
I will try to macro it once my Roccat Kone Pure arrives from Amazon.

It's a gaming mouse with enough buttons plus easy shift so I should be able to replicate it.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 28, 2012, 04:33:15 AM
I will try to macro it once my Roccat Kone Pure arrives from Amazon.

It's a gaming mouse with enough buttons plus easy shift so I should be able to replicate it.

Those must be some intense Hentai Games ;)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 04:38:00 AM
Don't make fun of my game over rape fetish.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 06:21:11 AM
I had 2 accounts synced in the mail app. Now suddenly Gmail doesn't show up, but in settings it says its still synced.

 ???
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 28, 2012, 08:48:58 AM
gmail hasn't been syncing for me at all in the mail app. my gamil calendars don't sync either.....sucks.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 10:19:14 AM
Photos don't show up in the photo app, FB pics do, but not the ones on my HDD. I have like 20 gb of pics in my photo library, but W8 thinks its empty. Ok.

Hotline Miami keeps crashing since I got W8.

Music doesn't show up in the music app.

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 10:19:45 AM
Had to delete gmail and add it again, now it shows up, but will it sync?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 10:24:08 AM
The built in apps that replace Windows Live Essentials pretty much suck now (even after they recently updated them).

But I still prefer using Messenger app and Mail app to Essentials. Less bloat and apps get updated faster than the usual MS annual bullshit.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 11:35:08 AM
are you idjits upgrading instead of performing fresh installs?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 11:49:34 AM
Yeah so? I just want to keep my shiz
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 28, 2012, 11:53:10 AM
yes duh
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 28, 2012, 12:18:28 PM
Fixed it by gently rubbing the screen. :lol

Easiest fix ever.

Is there anything that can't be fixed by gently rubbing something?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 12:30:28 PM
are you idjits upgrading instead of performing fresh installs?
Not me.

I always go fresh because I am OCD like that.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 28, 2012, 12:50:38 PM
i upgraded one machine, fresh installed another.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 12:58:39 PM
smh. nubs. y u no back everything up on the regs?

the FIRST rule of (Windows and Mac) operating systems is NEVER DO AN UPGRADE INSTALL (they are designed for grandma/grandpa who never do anything but browse the web and copy pictures off their camera)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 12:59:33 PM
seriously, smh. i thought we used computers on this forum.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 28, 2012, 01:03:55 PM
I always do fresh installs since it's a good opportunity to get rid of some old crap, but I fully expect products to ship with working features.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 28, 2012, 01:05:26 PM
are you idjits upgrading instead of performing fresh installs?

I upgraded but am going to do a full fresh install when I have the time to. I've got a nice new SSD I've never even used sitting in my room. I don't think its a MLC drive though so I was kind of hesitant. Plus there's the 1.5tb of games I have on my main hard drive that I'll have to probably reinstall a bunch cause I'm changing hardware.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 01:08:34 PM
There is a built in reformat option in Windows 8: Charms Bar --> Settings --> Change PC Settings. Useful if you are getting nasty errors after upgrading.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 01:30:08 PM
at this point in your computer careers you should know what disk partitions are
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 01:33:39 PM
oh, upgrading "works," but if you're a power user or internet junkie your registry and file system is going to be polluted nine ways to tuesday -- especially if you dabble in piracy or are just someone who is constantly installing/uninstalling new software (especially drivers). there's no way an upgrade can solve a bloated, toxic registry.

then again, i take pride in having tremendously slim, small installs and regularly clean the registry, boot/process configs, and file systems. i also have at least three partitions (OS/cache, Data, Games), and perform weekly backups. my computing life is fast, smooth, and stress-free. i only run signed drivers and do complete uninstalls and reg cleans before installing the new ones. my laptops ALL boot in under 10 seconds, i have never blue screened (except when i installed a recent firefox build), and i don't lose data.

it's like owning a motorcycle. if you want it to run well and stress-free, you put a little time into doing things properly.

upgrading? NEVER. upgrading is basically saying "take my existing fucked up environment and slap a largely new one on top of it, busted drivers and busted registry and busted app installations/configurations and all. NO PROBLEM AM I RITE LAWL!"

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 28, 2012, 01:36:34 PM
Cruncheon what is the best way to go about a fresh install without having to reinstall all my steam/origin games? And do you know if not having a MLC drive is really that detrimental?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 01:39:44 PM
create a new partition, drop steamapps into it. when you reinstall, map the fresh steam install to the new partition (D:\steamapps or whatever). dunno about origin.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 28, 2012, 01:43:22 PM
Looks like I got some homework to do when I have time. I'm amazed by your previous post thats some dedication. I clean my registry too but with all the dll's and registry hack's I've had to do over the 2 years since I built that computer its taken its toll. Windows 8 takes damn near 90 seconds on my I7 2600k rig to load to desktop.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 01:44:15 PM
it's a pirate's cross to bear!

also, none of it is that much work. the time half of you spend trying to get beta drivers to work or hack dlls to pirate/mod games is far, far more expensive than configuring an "at" schedule for backing up folders to skydrive or external. hell, i think i spend exactly 2 minutes TOPS a week tweaking things, and that's usually just editing msconfig because lync won't stay out of my fucking boot order.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 28, 2012, 01:46:43 PM
Funny thing is I no longer need any of that stuff so its just wasted space and taking up resources. So a fresh install is gonna happen soon. I'm just apprehensive about it due to all the games.

I sure am loving window's 8 though.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 28, 2012, 01:49:58 PM
I upgraded because of the 14.99 buck offer. I had no idea you can perform a clean instal, from it. Does MCD's way do the same thing?

(Honestly, I'm basically dreading reinstalling all my crap)
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 28, 2012, 01:50:50 PM
Prole, when you say "clean my registry" do you do something über nerdy manually or run a basic reg-cleaner?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 01:53:23 PM
I upgraded because of the 14.99 buck offer. I had no idea you can perform a clean instal, from it. Does MCD's way do the same thing?

(Honestly, I'm basically dreading reinstalling all my crap)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43695338&postcount=3014

According to this guy, it should work.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 28, 2012, 02:01:28 PM
WHY ARE THERE TWO WIN 8 THREADS
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 28, 2012, 02:12:33 PM
I upgraded because of the 14.99 buck offer. I had no idea you can perform a clean instal, from it. Does MCD's way do the same thing?

(Honestly, I'm basically dreading reinstalling all my crap)
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=43695338&postcount=3014

According to this guy, it should work.

Thanks boo.

WHY ARE THERE TWO WIN 8 THREADS

One is a consumer's thread while the other is just or shilling.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 02:17:58 PM
Does anyone know where to get some Skydrive promo codes? I'd like 50gb at least for my pictures but for a bit less then 19 a year.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 02:52:56 PM
WHY ARE THERE TWO WIN 8 THREADS

Paid by MCD.

All according to keikaku.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2012, 03:42:48 PM
smh. nubs. y u no back everything up on the regs?

the FIRST rule of (Windows and Mac) operating systems is NEVER DO AN UPGRADE INSTALL (they are designed for grandma/grandpa who never do anything but browse the web and copy pictures off their camera)

This is so ass backwards I have to laugh.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 04:01:30 PM
that's what happens when you have an os with actual software developed for it
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2012, 04:06:46 PM
Oh I know, I just don't think it has to be that way.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 04:26:50 PM
we all have dreams, kid
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 04:30:14 PM
Get an RT then. Problem solved!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 04:34:43 PM
I think we strayed from the topic at hand: Skydrive promo codes.

I searched the internets but nothing.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 04:37:27 PM
I'd love to help but my shilling level is not that strong.

tl;dr ask a real MS guy.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2012, 04:42:38 PM
we all have dreams, kid

My dreams are reality. :)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 28, 2012, 04:46:31 PM
I dont want to beg employees, I just want to see if any of you scoundrels has found something.

Like when Demi found that XBL promo a year or two ago thats still funding my XBL sub.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: G The Resurrected on October 28, 2012, 04:52:18 PM
I dont want to beg employees, I just want to see if any of you scoundrels has found something.

Like when Demi found that XBL promo a year or two ago thats still funding my XBL sub.

Oh shit thanks for remind me about that. I gotta go find my word document with all those month codes. I heard they limited it to just 6 codes per month that can be added. I must have 4-5 years worth of codes. It helped to have cell phones to do that.

I too want a skydrive code. I heard you can get some awesome promotional stuff from the microsoft store that might have a code for 12 months for super cheap. I'll check it out when I stop by there tomorrow.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 28, 2012, 05:44:49 PM
oh, upgrading "works," but if you're a power user or internet junkie your registry and file system is going to be polluted nine ways to tuesday -- especially if you dabble in piracy or are just someone who is constantly installing/uninstalling new software (especially drivers). there's no way an upgrade can solve a bloated, toxic registry.

then again, i take pride in having tremendously slim, small installs and regularly clean the registry, boot/process configs, and file systems. i also have at least three partitions (OS/cache, Data, Games), and perform weekly backups. my computing life is fast, smooth, and stress-free. i only run signed drivers and do complete uninstalls and reg cleans before installing the new ones. my laptops ALL boot in under 10 seconds, i have never blue screened (except when i installed a recent firefox build), and i don't lose data.

it's like owning a motorcycle. if you want it to run well and stress-free, you put a little time into doing things properly.

upgrading? NEVER. upgrading is basically saying "take my existing fucked up environment and slap a largely new one on top of it, busted drivers and busted registry and busted app installations/configurations and all. NO PROBLEM AM I RITE LAWL!"

What do you use for registry cleaning/maintenance?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 05:56:59 PM
Nothing beats ccleaner.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Rusty Shackleford on October 28, 2012, 06:02:59 PM
Nothing beats ccleaner.

CCleaner, eh? Thanks! I'll give it a try. I've got a machine with a 4 year old XP install that is a little slow on startup these days. Then, after logon, there's a brief pause in the system where the mouse moves but the system doesn't respond to attempts to open icons or run applications. Weird.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 28, 2012, 07:24:32 PM
Would an upgrade install followed by a System Refresh be more or less equivalent to a clean install?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 28, 2012, 08:06:44 PM
i did an upgrade instead of a full install because of ive got a shitload of stuff on here and none of it backed up. of course once i stopped and thought about it i remember that all of my stuff outside the "my documents" folder (and my secret porn folder, natch) is on separate partitions. only stuff on my c: is windows and all that shit under program files. and since i used that link mcd provided to put my win8 installer on a usb, that means i can reinstall it and start clean this time, right?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 28, 2012, 09:49:55 PM
Powertip: Right click on the Start thumbnail. :P

@Positive: I guess, yeah.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 28, 2012, 10:04:05 PM
Powertip: Right click on the Start thumbnail. :P

 :o
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 28, 2012, 10:05:16 PM
So I dunno if this is a good place to ask but it seems like it.

I kinda want an all-in-one PC because of the desk I'm switching to (Ikea Galant) and was wondering if anyone had recommendations. I'm looking at this Dell one (http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Inspiron+One+23%26%2334%3B+All-In-One+Computer+-+6GB+Memory+-+1TB+Hard+Drive/5423569.p?id=1218644418758&skuId=5423569#tab=overview):

(http://pisces.bbystatic.com/image2/BestBuy_US/images/products/5423/5423569_sa.jpg;canvasHeight=500;canvasWidth=500)

The downsides of all-in-ones are plentiful and I don't need you to rehash them for me. Just looking for suggestions. I would prefer non-touch if possible.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 28, 2012, 11:03:57 PM
it's solid. samsung makes a good one, too.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 28, 2012, 11:26:24 PM
Powertip: Right click on the Start thumbnail. :P

 :o

It's just Win + X n00bs
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 28, 2012, 11:27:10 PM
^ This.

N00bs who haven't figured out all the shortcuts by now make me sick.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 29, 2012, 12:05:54 AM
hey guys FUCK OFF

sorry im too busy being cool and smoking cigarettes and having sex and shit
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 12:30:12 AM
it's solid. samsung makes a good one, too.

Got a link or model number handy? Samsung and Dell are about on the same level for me as far as PC's go.

And what do you mean by solid? Have you used it? Just curious.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 01:07:17 AM
http://www.winbeta.org/guides/comprehensive-list-windows-8-keyboard-shortcuts

Win+C (charms), Win+Q (search), Win+X (power user) are MUST-HAVES. I am also a fan of language-switching being moved to Win+Space.

spoiler (click to show/hide)
Windows key: Switch between Modern Desktop Start screen and the last accessed application
Windows key + C: Access the charms bar
Windows key + Tab: Access the Modern Desktop Taskbar
Windows key + I: Access the Settings charm
Windows key + H: Access the Share charm
Windows key + K: Access the Devices charm
Windows key + Q: Access the Apps Search screen
Windows key + F: Access the Files Search screen
Windows key + W: Access the Settings Search screen
Windows key + P: Access the Second Screen bar
Windows key + Z: Brings up the App Bar when you have a Modern Desktop App running
Windows key + X: Access the Windows Tools Menu
Windows key + O: Lock screen orientation
Windows key + . : Move the screen split to the right
Windows key + Shift + . : Move the screen split to the left
Windows key + V: View all active Toasts/Notifications
Windows key + Shift + V: View all active Toasts/Notifications in reverse order
Windows key + PrtScn: Takes a screenshot of the screen and automatically saves it in the Pictures folder as Screenshot
Windows key + Enter: Launch Narrator         
Windows key + E: Open Computer
Windows key + R: Open the Run dialog box
Windows key + U: Open Ease of Access Center
Windows key + Ctrl + F: Open Find Computers dialog box
Windows key + Pause/Break: Open the System page
Windows key + 1..10: Launch a program pinned on the Taskbar in the position indicated by the number
Windows key + Shift + 1..10: Launch a new instance of a program pinned on the Taskbar in the position indicated by the number
Windows key + Ctrl + 1..10: Access the last active instance of a program pinned on the Taskbar in the position indicated by the number
Windows key + Alt + 1..10: Access the Jump List of a program pinned on the Taskbar in the position indicated by the number
Windows key + B: Select the first item in the Notification Area and then use the arrow keys to cycle through the items Press Enter to open the selected item
Windows key + Ctrl + B: Access the program that is displaying a message in the Notification Area
Windows key + T: Cycle through the items on the Taskbar
Windows key + M: Minimize all windows
Windows key + Shift + M: Restore all minimized windows
Windows key + D: Show/Hide Desktop (minimize/restore all windows)
Windows key + L: Lock computer
Windows key + Up Arrow: Maximize current window
Windows key + Down Arrow: Minimize/restore current window
Windows key + Home: Minimize all but the current window
Windows key + Left Arrow: Tile window on the left side of the screen
Windows key + Right Arrow: Tile window on the right side of the screen
Windows key + Shift + Up Arrow: Extend current window from the top to the bottom of the screen
Windows key + Shift + Left/Right Arrow: Move the current window from one monitor to the next
Windows key + F1: Launch Windows Help and Support
PageUp: Scroll forward on the Modern Desktop Start screen
PageDown: Scroll backward on the Modern Desktop Start screen
Esc: Close  a charm
Ctrl + Esc: Switch between Modern Desktop Start screen and the last accessed application
Ctrl + Mouse scroll wheel: Activate the Semantic Zoom on the Modern Desktop screen
Alt: Display a hidden Menu Bar
Alt + D: Select the Address Bar
Alt + P: Display the Preview Pane in Windows Explorer
Alt + Tab: Cycle forward through open windows
Alt + Shift + Tab: Cycle backward through open windows
Alt + F: Close the current window Open the Shut Down Windows dialog box from the Desktop
Alt + Spacebar: Access the Shortcut menu for current window
Alt + Esc: Cycle between open programs in the order that they were opened
Alt + Enter: Open the Properties dialog box of the selected item
Alt + PrtScn: Take a screen shot of the active Window and place it in the clipboard
Alt + Up Arrow: Move up one folder level in Windows Explorer (Like the Up Arrow in XP)
Alt + Left Arrow: Display the previous folder
Alt + Right Arrow: Display the next folder
Shift + Insert: CD/DVD Load CD/DVD without triggering Autoplay or Autorun
Shift + Delete: Permanently delete the item (rather than sending it to the Recycle Bin)
Shift + F6: Cycle backward through elements in a window or dialog box
Shift + F10: Access the context menu for the selected item
Shift + Tab: Cycle backward through elements in a window or dialog box
Shift + Click: Select a consecutive group of items
Shift + Click on a Taskbar button: Launch a new instance of a program
Shift + Right-click on a Taskbar button: Access the context menu for the selected item
Ctrl + A: Select all items
Ctrl + C: Copy the selected item
Ctrl + X: Cut the selected item
Ctrl + V: Paste the selected item
Ctrl + D: Delete selected item
Ctrl + Z: Undo an action
Ctrl + Y: Redo an action
Ctrl + N: Open a new window in Windows Explorer
Ctrl + W: Close current window in Windows Explorer
Ctrl + E: Select the Search box in the upper right corner of a window
Ctrl + Shift + N: Create new folder
Ctrl + Shift + Esc: Open the Windows Task Manager
Ctrl + Alt + Tab: Use arrow keys to cycle through open windows
Ctrl + Alt + Delete: Access the Windows Security screen 
Ctrl + Click: Select multiple individual items
Ctrl + Click and drag an item: Copies that item in the same folder
Ctrl + Shift + Click and drag an item: Creates a shortcut for that item in the same folder
Ctrl + Tab:  Move forward through tabs
Ctrl + Shift + Tab: Move backward through tabs
Ctrl + Shift + Click on a Taskbar button: Launch a new instance of a program as an Administrator
Ctrl + Click on a grouped Taskbar button: Cycle through the instances of a program in the group
F1: Display Help
F2: Rename a file
F3: Open Search
F4: Display the Address Bar list
F5: Refresh display
F6: Cycle forward through elements in a window or dialog box
F7: Display command history in a Command Prompt
F10: Display hidden Menu Bar
F11: Toggle full screen display
Tab: Cycle forward through elements in a window or dialog box
PrtScn: Take a screen shot of the entire screen and place it in the clipboard
Home: Move to the top of the active window
End: Move to the bottom of the active window
Delete: Delete the selected item
Backspace: Display the previous folder in Windows Explorer  Move up one folder level in Open or Save dialog box
Esc: Close a dialog box
Num Lock Enabled + Plus (+): Display the contents of the selected folder 
Num Lock Enabled + Minus (-): Collapse the selected folder
Num Lock Enabled + Asterisk (*): Expand all subfolders under the selected folder   
Press Shift 5 times Turn StickyKeys on or off
Hold down right Shift for 8 seconds Turn FilterKeys on or off
Hold down Num Lock for 5 seconds Turn ToggleKeys on or off
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Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2012, 01:08:15 AM
:bow

Hardcore as fuck.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 29, 2012, 01:09:32 AM
Amazing.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 01:37:14 AM
Additional notes:

1) I had to go through hundreds of photos and a handful of videos with some people yesterday. Using the Metro Photo and Video apps would have been a LOT more enjoyable than the legacy Win 7 desktop applications.

2) Anyone who slags on Windows 8's Metro UI and in the next breath is excited for Steam's Big Picture Mode - and you've seen these people out there - should be immediately reduced to their component proteins for the greater good.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: D3RANG3D on October 29, 2012, 02:23:20 AM
Additional notes:

1) I had to go through hundreds of photos and a handful of videos with some people yesterday. Using the Metro Photo and Video apps would have been a LOT more enjoyable than the legacy Win 7 desktop applications.

2) Anyone who slags on Windows 8's Metro UI and in the next breath is excited for Steam's Big Picture Mode - and you've seen these people out there - should be immediately reduced to their component proteins for the greater good.

.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 29, 2012, 06:18:52 AM
For sure. Hope to see you around here more.
Ty. I posted some extended thoughts on the start menu vs start screen/apps list at my blog.. with pretty pictures. Comments welcome.

http://www.tbstactics.com/2012/10/windows-8-impressions-start-menu-is.html
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2012, 10:43:52 AM
YMMV, but I find things faster on average in the new apps list than digging through All Programs - if I don't know the name of a program I don't necessarily know what folder it'll be in either, so finding it often means opening and closing several folders (and putting up with the annoying expand/collapse that moves everything around (in Vista/7) or the frustrating cascading menus that make you carefully navigate through the bottleneck (in 9x/XP)). For me it's usually quicker just dumping everything out, so to speak, and scrolling through until the icon/name jumps out at me.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 29, 2012, 11:15:52 AM
i never used the start menu much to begin with in win7 -- it basically supplemented anything i had pinned to the taskbar or on my desktop.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2012, 11:37:53 AM
i never used the start menu much to begin with in win7 -- it basically supplemented anything i had pinned to the taskbar or on my desktop.

This- and when I did pop open the start menu it was to search programs- not navigate to something specific.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2012, 11:53:16 AM
http://www.logitech.com/en-us/promotions/win8-landing
http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/new-windows-8-products

I tried MS Touch mouse but I didn't fancy it that much. I don't like ambidextrous mice + only one finger sensor.

I am eying the Sculpt Comfort keyboard for the Windows 8 hotkeys.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 29, 2012, 11:54:25 AM
I occasionally use the recently opened programs section. It's useful for programs I use once a week or so. Searching works for everything else.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2012, 12:00:03 PM
I don't like gesture mice- too frequently does it seem to stick on a gesture or pick up a gesture I did not intend to make.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2012, 12:02:18 PM
yeah, I don't much care for the Touch Mouse either. both due to accidental gestures and it's just not very comfortable for me. The original Intellimouse is still the perfect mouse afaict in terms of shape, it just needs blue-track and wireless (does this exist?)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2012, 12:28:50 PM
I think the arc line, mobile mice, and touch mice are what's out there from MS- I actually liked the first arc most of all- you can still buy those on Amazon at least. My main focus these days is finding a good Bluetooth mouse- and honestly I may just buy another Razer Orochi cause that's probably been the best for me.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2012, 12:42:14 PM
yeah, I don't much care for the Touch Mouse either. both due to accidental gestures and it's just not very comfortable for me. The original Intellimouse is still the perfect mouse afaict in terms of shape, it just needs blue-track and wireless (does this exist?)
Best wireless MS mouse are the following two:

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-BlueTrack-Technology-Recharging-5AA-00001/dp/B001F7AP1Q/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1351528657&sr=8-1&keywords=explorer+mouse
http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-MGC-00001-Wireless-Mouse-5000/dp/B0021Y73W6/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1351528657&sr=8-5&keywords=explorer+mouse

Closest thing to Intellimouse is the Comfort 6000:

http://www.amazon.com/Microsoft-Right-Handed-Comfort-Mouse-6000/dp/B004RPSGIC/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1351528678&sr=8-3&keywords=intellimouse

Bluetrack but not wireless. Only bad thing about it is this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ItGOW0Hz0rU
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2012, 12:47:34 PM
They should call it the Comfy Mouse
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 29, 2012, 12:51:50 PM
did a clean install; everything metro-related works fine, but search only finds the stuff on my c drive, not any of the other partitions. i backed up my c files and of course theyre all still fine, but i forgot to back up my itunes info. my playlists... :( :( :(
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 01:23:33 PM
Gmail doesnt work again.  :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy :gloomy

Maybe one day I can do a clean install, when I get all my shit to Skydrive.

hey guys FUCK OFF

sorry im too busy being cool and smoking cigarettes and having sex and shit

 :gun :gun
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 01:27:32 PM
I'm having trouble attaching my Facebook and Twitter accounts for Metro app sharing. It says "Complete, but it may take a few minutes for you to see the results." Are there any known issues?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 01:28:47 PM
Yeah it doesn't work for me, youre talking about the People app?

DID YOU DO A CLEAN INSTALL?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 01:33:57 PM
Yeah it doesn't work for me, youre talking about the People app?

DID YOU DO A CLEAN INSTALL?

Yup, in the People app. My Gmail account is attached okay to Mail/Contacts/Calendar, but I can't get Facebook or Twitter to work for Sharing.

I did an upgrade install cause I'm a fuckin' AIDS-ridden hobo. I'm gonna do a clean install to a new SSD over Thanksgiving weekend.

EDIT: Googling around, appears to be a known issue and an MS rep says they're working on a fix. While I'm all for the Brave New World of Windows 8 and think it's a lot easier to wrap your head around than most people are saying, I do think the Windows team needs to make a few concessions to Desktop users...
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 01:47:48 PM
Fucks sake I cant get any music to show up in the Music app, no photos in the Photos app. Gmail still doesnt work.

Like going through the desktop to MY MUSIC the folder is empty, but the MY PICTURES folder is full. But then when I go to MY MUSIC in MY COMPUTER there is 20 gigs of music. ???

Doesnt matter though cause none of it shows up in the Metro Apps.

 :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf :maf

Also GMAIL dissappears from the MAIL app every time I shutdown the PC.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 01:55:12 PM
It's rough. Win8 is VERY Library focused. Make sure your My Music and My Photos folders are in the Music and Photos libraries.

If you turn on File History, you can only backup things that are contained in libraries. So I just made a "C_Drive" Library. PROBLEM SOLVED.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2012, 02:33:14 PM
bought the pro and did a clean install on my boot camp partition.  running it on my retina macbook pro so there's some odd text-fuzzies, but otherwise everything looks pretty sweet
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 02:41:02 PM
Im gonna get an aneurysm soon if stuff doesnt start working.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 29, 2012, 02:44:33 PM
Why not install Thunderbird or something instead?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 02:49:12 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/UvPat.jpg?1?7432)

THE PICTURES ARE IN THE MOTHERFUCKING LIBRARY
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 29, 2012, 02:52:00 PM
i like it when apps dont download/update for no reason
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 29, 2012, 02:53:50 PM
It's probably best to follow the reasoning behind Ubuntu's LTS releases and wait for Windows 8.1.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 02:57:40 PM
Upgrade install or not, basic functions should work. Why have an upgrade feature then?

This is 2012 where people are used to upgrading mobile OS without any problems, this is pretty bad.

Maybe in the 90's there would have been excuses for this but not now.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 02:59:36 PM
Lager, please don't go on a murderous rampage over Microsoft. :-\
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:04:46 PM
I just want W7 back. Is there a button for that? I dont have time to fuck around with this.

It looks so sexy, but it just doesnt work :(

Im not saying I dont like how it works, I thnk its super cool what MS is tryin to do here. I just mean its broken.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:14:19 PM
Spending a whole evening trying to get pictures/music/emails show up.

Thanks Microsoft!  :maf

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:15:25 PM
 :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop :poop
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:19:10 PM
RAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:23:19 PM
I wanted to get MS support, but they want me to provide my product key, which is in my gmail. Which doesnt work  :lol :lol :lol :lol

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 03:24:01 PM
I wanted to get MS support, but they want me to provide my product key, which is in my gmail. Which doesnt work  :lol :lol :lol :lol

You can't get into it with the browser?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Howard Alan Treesong on October 29, 2012, 03:24:17 PM
I wanted to get MS support, but they want me to provide my product key, which is in my gmail. Which doesnt work  :lol :lol :lol :lol

Don't you have a phone? In any case, I printed my keys out before installing for JUST that reason. BE PREPARED.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:24:53 PM
The key isnt recognized by MS support now.

So charges my apply if I contact support.

 :lol

I wanted to get MS support, but they want me to provide my product key, which is in my gmail. Which doesnt work  :lol :lol :lol :lol

You can't get into it with the browser?

Yeah but its just ironic isnt it.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2012, 03:37:59 PM
weird, I'm having wifi issues with pro, at least at work.  this is the first time I've tried connecting it to the internet at work and it's not asking for a password.  when I click connect, the entire OS starts running like dick and I can't connect to anything still.  wonder if that's an apple thing that needs fixed via updated drivers

I should note that it works perfectly fine on wifi at my house which also uses a password
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:58:19 PM
My last 15 min trying to backup files before a clean install.

W8 wont let me backup files.

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-h-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/522407_10151896846543029_979061651_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/44473_10151896843903029_97640073_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/552320_10151896832258029_1172666284_n.jpg)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 03:59:52 PM
Dat windows 8  :piss :piss2
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 29, 2012, 04:14:37 PM
Dat windows 8  :piss :piss2
(http://www.fohguild.org/forums/attachments/screenshots/169712d1303764846-funny-strange-random-pics-james-do-you-know-how-mad-you-were-going.jpeg)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: demi on October 29, 2012, 04:17:27 PM
I love that blue screen for the wrong reasons.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 29, 2012, 04:26:04 PM
That mocking sad smiley is going to cause fists going through monitors.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: demi on October 29, 2012, 04:31:37 PM
"you can search online later" :lol
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 05:14:04 PM
More goodness

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598763_10151896925968029_621565154_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/45986_10151896927488029_511282074_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/69153_10151896954933029_743688031_n.jpg)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 29, 2012, 05:15:49 PM
why did you install a new os without backing up first? :(
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Fifstar on October 29, 2012, 05:20:24 PM
Do you guys use a system function/external program for backups or just throw your vital data on a external disc? Because I always just did the latter, is there a better proper way to do it?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 29, 2012, 05:20:40 PM
You can delete ClientRegistry.blob and AppUpdateStats.blob in your Steam folder. They will be recreated if you restart the client.
Do you guys use a system function/external program for backups or just throw your vital data on a external disc? Because I always just did the latter, is there a better proper way to do it?
I use a program called SyncBackPro to mirror all my important files to an external HDD. It's about 520 GB and I don't want to pay for that much cloud storage.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2012, 05:27:25 PM
More goodness

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/598763_10151896925968029_621565154_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/45986_10151896927488029_511282074_n.jpg)

(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/69153_10151896954933029_743688031_n.jpg)

haha, as an aside it looks like 'installing windows' from the perspective of a drunk man
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: TakingBackSunday on October 29, 2012, 05:29:50 PM
weird, I'm having wifi issues with pro, at least at work.  this is the first time I've tried connecting it to the internet at work and it's not asking for a password.  when I click connect, the entire OS starts running like dick and I can't connect to anything still.  wonder if that's an apple thing that needs fixed via updated drivers

I should note that it works perfectly fine on wifi at my house which also uses a password

anyone know why this is?  my google-fu seems to not come up with a result or answer
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 05:42:45 PM
Holy crap dude get a better camera.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: chronovore on October 29, 2012, 06:23:07 PM
It is going to be a long time before I upgrade to Win8.

Is anyone experiencing flawless enjoyment of it?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 06:25:30 PM
thanks andrex my dslr broke my galaxy s2 broke and now i have a shitty windows phone capturing my laptop dying
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 06:28:11 PM
thanks andrex my dslr broke my galaxy s2 broke and now i have a shitty windows phone capturing my laptop dying

Dude you need to make better purchasing decsions. :( Maybe read an Amazon review once in a while.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 06:31:33 PM
you need to get laid instead of reading amazon reviews
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: chronovore on October 29, 2012, 06:40:11 PM
thanks andrex my dslr broke my galaxy s2 broke and now i have a shitty windows phone capturing my laptop dying

Well, in fairness, you shouldn't have begun smashing shit up just because Win8 was not behaving.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: mjemirzian on October 29, 2012, 06:41:35 PM
It is going to be a long time before I upgrade to Win8.

Is anyone experiencing flawless enjoyment of it?
Does reading about how Win 8/RT/Surface is flopping and people raging at botched installs count as enjoyment?
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 06:43:55 PM
Im doing a fresh install the way Shaka did it, hope it helps. I think I have most of my pics from my trips backed up...

But I did lose most of my music collection for sure. Plus 50gb in vidya and countless saves for games like mass effect...
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 29, 2012, 06:59:37 PM
goddammit, it still wont let me update or download certain apps. i can pick new ones that download with no problem, but but there's six that i just keep getting error messages on. problem is, theyre the BASIC FUCKING APPS THAT COME WITH WIN8. i cant use the music OR video apps because they need to be updated. THANKS GUYS FOR TELLING ME TO DO A CLEAN INSTALL THAT TOTALLY MADE MY COMPUTER BETTER
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2012, 06:59:37 PM
It is going to be a long time before I upgrade to Win8.

Is anyone experiencing flawless enjoyment of it?

I've been running it as my primary OS on my laptop and tablet since the Release Preview this summer, like it a lot and haven't experienced any significant technical issues. Flawless is a bit much though ...
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2012, 07:00:28 PM
No issues here. I just need more apps.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: demi on October 29, 2012, 07:00:56 PM
you need to get laid instead of reading amazon reviews

Was waiting for this one... oh LAGER
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 07:03:10 PM
 :maf well he was fucking asking for it  >:(

I dont see the joke in his amazon comment its just effin annoying
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 29, 2012, 07:09:52 PM
goddammit, it still wont let me update or download certain apps. i can pick new ones that download with no problem, but but there's six that i just keep getting error messages on. problem is, theyre the BASIC FUCKING APPS THAT COME WITH WIN8. i cant use the music OR video apps because they need to be updated. THANKS GUYS FOR TELLING ME TO DO A CLEAN INSTALL THAT TOTALLY MADE MY COMPUTER BETTER

Did you try thia one by one and in opposite order. Worked for me after 5 reboots.

Fresh install is already at 9% , hopefully ill be able to use my laptop again after 4 days of shit.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Madrun Badrun on October 29, 2012, 07:13:12 PM
but beyond the petty opinions of the lowest form of developer -- web designer

I like you
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 07:16:56 PM
you need to get laid instead of reading amazon reviews

Damn what a putdown. :'(
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: chronovore on October 29, 2012, 08:28:19 PM
It is going to be a long time before I upgrade to Win8.

Is anyone experiencing flawless enjoyment of it?
Does reading about how Win 8/RT/Surface is flopping and people raging at botched installs count as enjoyment?

:rofl
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Stoney Mason on October 29, 2012, 09:00:46 PM
It is going to be a long time before I upgrade to Win8.

Is anyone experiencing flawless enjoyment of it?

I haven't had any significant issues. My mouse driver and punkbuster weren't working properly after the upgrade but uninstalling them and reinstalling them fixed that. But those were really the only issues. Everything seems to work properly for me.

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 29, 2012, 09:01:54 PM
I havent had any issues- been using on my Surface mainly though
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 29, 2012, 09:38:04 PM
It is going to be a long time before I upgrade to Win8.

Is anyone experiencing flawless enjoyment of it?
Does reading about how Win 8/RT/Surface is flopping and people raging at botched installs count as enjoyment?

Sure does.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: huckleberry on October 29, 2012, 10:21:21 PM
the only persistent issue i have is not being able to scroll in certain metro apps.  i am not certain that it is my mouse or the apps themselves.  i wouldnt let it bother me so much except it makes me not want to use the metro interface as much.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 29, 2012, 10:34:56 PM
I haven't had much of apps just plain not scrolling, but I've seen too much of apps annoyingly requiring extra focus clicks before scrolling.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 29, 2012, 11:41:08 PM
I'm not having fun installing Asus drivers. They're buggy and I'm on my second fresh Win re-installation.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 29, 2012, 11:45:36 PM
same here. been doing that shit all day. FUCK CLEAN INSTALL. FUCK DRINKY.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2012, 11:47:39 PM
Thankfully, I only needed AMD catalyst on my master race desktop pc.

What drivers are you guys missing? Usually new versions of Windows come preloaded with every generic driver to date.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 29, 2012, 11:54:41 PM
Right now I desperately need ATKPackage which handles my FN key shortcuts. Without it I can control brightness levels (even virtually), keyboard backlight, screen switching, and other functionalities.

Speaker has a crappy quality with the stock audio driver, so I need Realtek drivers. I'm not sure if they *have* to be the ones provided by Asus, though.

I'm running Windows update and installing everything one last time, optional or not, to see if they offer what I'm looking for before I start hunting down alternative solutions.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 29, 2012, 11:58:52 PM
You don't need Asus outdated Realtek drivers, get it from them directly: http://www.realtek.com.tw/

I'm using MS audio drivers since 7 because there was no difference between it and Realtek.

As for this ATKPackage, you can't find it or what? Compatibility issues?
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 12:00:11 AM
Compatibility. Prole is feeding me awesome advice on FB, I'll take it and see how things go.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 30, 2012, 12:01:36 AM
Alright.

Oldest trick is to hit Properties on ATKPackage  --> Compatibility and run it in 7 or vista mode.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 30, 2012, 12:03:29 AM
man, i have a usb drive for each machine in the house with the baseline driver set for it :smug

fuck i am BALLA on the install front

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 30, 2012, 12:06:29 AM
Same here but I only needed drivers for new Windows 7 machines because the fucking assholes LOVE to use custom ass drivers for no goddamn reason.

And the same thing will happen with Windows 8 after one year.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 12:09:39 AM
Alright.

Oldest trick is to hit Properties on ATKPackage  --> Compatibility and run it in 7 or vista mode.

I did that on one of my attempts, other attempts involved (allegedly) updated Win 8 64bit drivers. Still no luck.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: recursivelyenumerable on October 30, 2012, 12:15:21 AM
Man, I never have to do any of this. Shit just works for me. I'm magic, I guess.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 12:26:47 AM
It locked up, I restarted, then I got a BSOD seconds after I signed in. This most certainly caused by so something installed through Windows update. Unless I accidentally checked an optional update, it's probably one of the critical ones.

I'm performing one last reinstall (since I don't ave anything to lose right now), installing important Asus drivers from my model's web page, then performing Windows updates.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2012, 03:19:09 AM
Yo Shaka I have an Asus too but since the clean install (and the 10 min I used it since) it works fine.

Pictures now show up in the Photos app!

:rock clean install
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: archnemesis on October 30, 2012, 03:34:26 AM
How does upgrade DVDs work these days? Do I need anything else than my Windows 7 serial key? Can I switch to another language using the same key?
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 03:45:14 AM
Yeah, most of my problems stemmed from trying to settle for generic drivers or up-to-date drivers straight from manufacturers while snubbing the drivers on my laptop's official resource page. As soon as I installed some of the more important drivers from there (old as they may be) as directed by prole, everything worked out fine.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2012, 03:57:52 AM
What kind of problems where you encountering? I know asus is famous for having shit drivers.

Im really hoping this clean install will be good, cause shit looks so sexy when it works, looks wise its the prettiest OS ive ever seen.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2012, 03:59:19 AM
How does upgrade DVDs work these days? Do I need anything else than my Windows 7 serial key? Can I switch to another language using the same key?

You get a change language option the first time you install 8 as an upgrade, after that youre set again for ages I think.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 04:20:01 AM
What kind of problems where you encountering? I know asus is famous for having shit drivers.

Im really hoping this clean install will be good, cause shit looks so sexy when it works, looks wise its the prettiest OS ive ever seen.

- I didnt bother to install chipset drivers from Asus' website, thinking generic stock drivers would suffice.
- I was installing a buggy/incompatible driver for controlling my FN key shortcuts. Without it I wasn't able to adjust the brightness through the keyboard or otherwise.
- I was running into driver conflicts as soon as I installed LAN and Bluetooth drivers through Windows' optional updates (even though it correctly identified my devices). The result of those conflicts were cycles of lockups > hard resets > BSOD > Forced recoveries.

Honestly, I ain't even mad. I'm the kind of person who ends up enjoying these fuck-ups and learning from them. It's not everyday that I upgrade to a refreshingly new OS, so it's kinda exciting (the good along with the bad). As long as my important files are backed up, that is.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2012, 07:28:16 AM
Im mad cause I was feeling like spending some quality time with my lady but once I started dicking around with the OS I couldnt stop for 3/4 hours.

Im half to blame for this  :D
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Reb on October 30, 2012, 02:42:21 PM
How do I exclude folders from my pictures app? Now it shows all album covers I have on my PC.

The same question for video, since it now shows all my porn front and center.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Himu on October 30, 2012, 03:19:44 PM
What kind of problems where you encountering? I know asus is famous for having shit drivers.

Im really hoping this clean install will be good, cause shit looks so sexy when it works, looks wise its the prettiest OS ive ever seen.

- I didnt bother to install chipset drivers from Asus' website, thinking stock drivers would suffice.
- I was installing a buggy/incompatible driver for controlling my FN key shortcuts. Without it I wasn't able to adjust the rightness through the keyboard or otherwise.
- I was running into driver conflicts as soon as I installed LAN and Bluetooth drivers through Windows' optional updates (even though it correctly identified my devices). The result of those conflicts were cycles of lockups > hard resets > BSOD > Forced recoveries.

Honestly, I ain't even mad. I'm the kind of person who ends up enjoying these fuck-ups and learning from them. It's not everyday that I upgrade to a refreshingly new OS, so it's kinda exciting (the good along with the bad). As long as my important files are backed up, that is.

I have an Asus ROG. What drivers did you dl?  I must say that my speakers are pathetically low on my laptop. Always have been.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on October 30, 2012, 04:31:59 PM
How do I exclude folders from my pictures app? Now it shows all album covers I have on my PC.

The same question for video, since it now shows all my porn front and center.

You can go into the picture/video library (in desktop) and manage it, remove folders shown.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 04:55:11 PM
I have an Asus ROG. What drivers did you dl?  I must say that my speakers are pathetically low on my laptop. Always have been.

From the G73 page on Asus website, I downloaded:
- Most recent Chipset driver available.
- Most recent ATKPackage
- Most recent LAN and wireless drivers.

Even though all of those date back to 2010, I found out they're perfectly compatible, more so than the most recent official drivers found elsewhere.

Drivers I downloaded directly from third parties:
- Most recent AMD drivers.
- Most recent Realtek HD drivers (with generic stock drivers, the volume was even more pathetically lo).

After that I ran Windows updates and updated everything; critical, recommended and optional. It most notably decided to update the following:
- A 50mb AMD driver update (even after manually updating to ver. 12.10)
- Qualcomm Atheros LAN drivers update to the one I manually installed from Asus.
- Boardcom BT drivers

These are the only drivers in installed thus far, afaik. Only after doing it in this order did I stop having the issues I was running into yesterday.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 30, 2012, 05:02:47 PM
Why download all that outdated shit when Windows stock drivers do the job fine? I get the audio and unrecognized drivers like that ATKPackage but the rest? Windows 8 stock drivers are more than enough.

tl;dr you are doing this wrong.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 05:06:43 PM
Aside from my motherboard drivers, the one I had to install was AMD drivers (duh). Other than that I allowed windows to handle the rest.

The only reason I opted to install the Asus LAN and Wireless drivers was because my laptop was freezing up almost instantly when I installed the ones offered by Windows. Those and the chipset drivers are mainly cautionary steps. I haven't installed any of the other 15+ junk drivers that came with my ROG.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MCD on October 30, 2012, 05:10:08 PM
That's why you don't upgrade!

Fresh shit.
Title: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 05:12:55 PM
Read the edit.

I didn't run into *any* problems after I upgraded. Only when I performed a fresh install and started dealing with drivers did I run into the problems. :lol

I will say that getting rid of all the bloat that bogged my system down was worth the trouble.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 30, 2012, 07:09:09 PM
so i had steam on a separate partition, untouched by my fresh install - OR SO I THOUGHT. it runs fine, but most of my games cant find their save files, tell my they're not installed, or give me some other kind of stupid problem.

this is not a good day for touch
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Shaka Khan on October 30, 2012, 08:00:34 PM
I had Steam and my games all on a separate drive as well, but figured a wiped C & registry would still affect it. So I backed up any save that's not in the Cloud and deleted all my games + Steam.

I'm actually installing Steam right now!

Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 30, 2012, 09:12:07 PM
the problem with deleting my games is that theyre all pirated so redownloading them = like 1TB of shit thru bittorrent, plus all the searching for isos
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 30, 2012, 09:16:40 PM
and as for you, drinky:

(http://i.imgur.com/u3HYZ.gif)

FUCK YOUR SUGGESTIONS
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 30, 2012, 10:20:46 PM
and as for you, drinky:

(http://i.imgur.com/u3HYZ.gif)

FUCK YOUR SUGGESTIONS

aaaaaaand this is why I dont provide free tech support
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 30, 2012, 10:40:47 PM
YOU WANT SOME TOO MAF

ILL TAKE A FUCKIN BEATDOWN ROADTRIP
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 30, 2012, 11:20:19 PM
:(
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 30, 2012, 11:21:53 PM
FINE ILL CHANGE IT TO A HUGS ROADTRIP

BUT JUST THIS ONCE
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: MrAngryFace on October 31, 2012, 12:13:36 AM
:)
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Van Cruncheon on October 31, 2012, 12:16:03 AM
ARRRR! TIS HIGH SEAS JUSTICE
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Mupepe on October 31, 2012, 11:17:04 AM
My Windows 8 install has been buttery smooth and I performed just an upgrade.  No issues here
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Joe Molotov on October 31, 2012, 11:45:45 AM
I'm not having fun installing Asus drivers. They're buggy and I'm on my second fresh Win re-installation.

I initially read this as "Anus drivers" and this post was a lot better as a result.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Tasty on October 31, 2012, 12:42:16 PM
and as for you, drinky:

(http://i.imgur.com/u3HYZ.gif)

FUCK YOUR SUGGESTIONS

This sounds somewhat sexual. Tell us how you really feel.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 31, 2012, 05:46:09 PM
it was an offer for a free night of fisting, but when i realized that was too much for drinky i toned it down to some intimate hugging
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: chronovore on October 31, 2012, 06:03:03 PM
FINE ILL CHANGE IT TO A HUGS ROADTRIP

BUT JUST THIS ONCE

Oooh, me too!
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Positive Touch on October 31, 2012, 08:37:06 PM
only if you pack me in your suitcase :-*
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Reb on November 03, 2012, 06:41:34 AM
How do I exclude folders from my pictures app? Now it shows all album covers I have on my PC.

Does anyone knows the answer to this? The photo app is worthless now because I need to scroll past al my individual CD's to find actual folders with photo's.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Cerveza mas fina on November 03, 2012, 06:53:50 AM
I told you already. just go the library and click on manage to exclude folders.
Title: Re: So is Windows 8 worth getting for laptop/desktop?
Post by: Reb on November 03, 2012, 07:13:05 AM
But the pictures are not in the picture library.

Plus, it crashes when I try to do anything with the libraries in desktop mode.
Feels like I paid to beta-test win8.