FoC's Ron Paul Shitheap: Patel Melts the Internets starting on pg. 24

[Gay Boy]

I am reasonable enough  that if it stops Rudy then I'll do it.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Presidents_of_the_United_States&oldid=168223163
Scroll all the way down.
 

[CajoleJuice]

omg someone hacked wikipedia

i can't believe it. this has never happened before.

[Ichirou]

Ron Paul's supporters are, if nothing else, brilliant.

[Gay Boy]

http://liberty-central.blogspot.com/2007/10/just-how-many-taxes-does-government.html

Just how many taxes does the Government collect
Some have asked,..."How would government run without the income tax?"
We'll for starters we need to cut spending by at least a third, but income taxes don't really pay for any services, just interest on national debt. My question is who gets the interest?

(From Aaron Russo's documentary film "America: Freedom to Fascism")

A Partial List Of Taxes Americans Are Forced To Pay:

Accounts Receivable Tax
Automobile Registration Tax
Building Permit Tax
Capital Gains Tax
CDL License Tax
Cigarette Tax
Corporate Income Tax
Court Fines (Indirect Taxes)
Dog License Tax
Estate Tax
Federal Unemployment Tax (FUTA)
Fishing License Tax
Food License Tax
Fuel Permit Tax
Gasoline Tax (42 Cents Per Gallon)
Hunting License Tax
Inventory Tax
IRS Interest Charges (Tax On Top Of Tax)
IRS Penalties (Tax On Top Of Tax)
Liquor Tax
Local Income Tax
Luxury Taxes
Marriage License Tax
Medicare Tax
Parking Meters
Property Tax
Real Estate Tax
Septic Permit Tax
Service Charge Taxes
Social Security Tax
Road Usage Taxes (Truckers)
Sales Taxes
Recreational Vehicle Tax
Road Toll Booth Taxes
School Tax
State Income Tax
State Unemployment Tax (SUTA)
Telephone Federal Excise Tax
Telephone Federal, State and Local Surcharge Taxes
Telephone Minimum Usage Surcharge Tax
Telephone Recurring and Non-Recurring Charges Tax
Telephone Usage Charge Tax
Toll Bridge Taxes
Toll Tunnel Taxes
Traffic Fines
Trailer Registration Tax
Utility Taxes
Vehicle License Registration Tax
Vehicle Sales Tax
Watercraft Registration Tax
Well Permit Tax
Workers Compensation Tax

I am forced to pay the Cigarette Tax? Because I don't have to pay for that and never will.

[FlameOfCallandor]

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Remember, Remember the 5th of November
http://thisnovember5th.com/

[FlameOfCallandor]

I am forced to pay the Cigarette Tax? Because I don't have to pay for that and never will.

If you smoked you would. Also, I listed like 50 taxes and you found 1 that you didnt have to pay. 

[Gay Boy]

I'll never pay the hunting tax either.

[FlameOfCallandor]

How about you stop paying taxes and when you you want to do something like use a road we don't let you.

that didnt make any sense.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Alot of the taxes you listed pay for roads, amongst other things you use daily.

I dont have a problem paying for taxes if I use them, such as roads.

[Human Snorenado]

I also think that people who don't want to pay for the EPA should have to be followed around by workers for corporate polluters that spew chemicals into their faces at all times.  That way they don't get the benefit of clean air.  We could do the same thing with their water.

Also, we could move stupid uneducated people into their living rooms if they want to eliminate the Dept. of Education.

[brawndolicious]

http://usinfo.state.gov/usa/infousa/facts/democrac/19.htm

[FlameOfCallandor]

Also, we could move stupid uneducated people into their living rooms if they want to eliminate the Dept. of Education.

Tell me one thing that the department of education even does? Then tell me what they have done that actually is any good.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/28/opinion/l28clinton.html?ex=1351224000&en=e5625021e0f23fac&ei=5124&partner=digg&exprod=digg


The American Freedom Agenda, an organization of conservatives founded last March 20 to restore checks and balances and protections against government abuses, requested all presidential aspirants, including Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, to sign an American Freedom Pledge.

They were asked to renounce the following powers if elected: torture; presidential signing statements; indefinite detentions of American citizens as enemy combatants; military commissions that combine judge, jury and prosecutor; spying on American citizens in contravention of federal statutes on the president’s say-so alone; kidnapping, imprisoning and torturing suspected terrorists abroad; executive privilege to shield the executive branch from Congressional oversight; prosecuting journalists under the Espionage Act for exposing national security abuses; listing organizations as terrorist groups based on secret evidence; suspending the writ of habeas corpus during the conflict with international terrorism; and invoking the state secrets privilege to deny victims of constitutional wrongdoing any judicial remedy. Senator Clinton has balked at signing the pledge, as have all other candidates except Representative Ron Paul.

[brawndolicious]

well no shit only ron paul signed it, he has no chance.  if you sign that then it can be twisted in a lot of ways against you, especially that judge, jury, and prosecutor part.

[FlameOfCallandor]

well no shit only ron paul signed it, he has no chance.  if you sign that then it can be twisted in a lot of ways against you, especially that judge, jury, and prosecutor part.

Yea who needs that shit.

You're Arab right? You're gonna be the first to be denied rights if shit ever goes down and we don't change.

[FlameOfCallandor]

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Look at all the "internet nerds" listening to Ron Paul speak.

[Human Snorenado]

Also, we could move stupid uneducated people into their living rooms if they want to eliminate the Dept. of Education.

Tell me one thing that the department of education even does? Then tell me what they have done that actually is any good.

I love how you completely ignored the clean air and water part of that post.  Good show.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ron Paul Rap!!!
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[FlameOfCallandor]

Fuck clean air and water.  I don't remember that being a problem when the constitution was written, so why should we care now.

Are you willing to sacrifice your liberties for the environment.
http://greenpieceblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-pauls-environmental-q.html

Also,

"Private property owners have a much better record of taking care of the environment. If you look at the common ownership of the lands in the West, they're much more poorly treated than those that are privately owned. In a free-market system, nobody is permitted to pollute their neighbor's private property -- water, air, or land. It is very strict."

"Certainly, any time there's injury to another person, another person's land, or another person's environment, there's [legal] recourse with the government. "

"My favorite thing is riding bicycles, and at home my hobby is raising tomatoes. I live on the San Bernard River in Texas and I belong to an environmental group that works very, very hard to protect the natural aspects of that river."

[FlameOfCallandor]

Why can't individuals and corporations just clean up after themselves without government interference?

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The government never does anything like that.

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[Howard Alan Treesong]

Fuck clean air and water.  I don't remember that being a problem when the constitution was written, so why should we care now.

Are you willing to sacrifice your liberties for the environment.
http://greenpieceblog.blogspot.com/2007/10/ron-pauls-environmental-q.html

Yes, frankly.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Yes, frankly.

The be prepared to be sold lies to give up your freedom.

[FlameOfCallandor]

So am I.  I don't think the constitution is the holy document of FREEDOM.

Government! Save us from ourselves!!!!!!

[brawndolicious]

Yea who needs that shit.
You're Arab right? You're gonna be the first to be denied rights if shit ever goes down and we don't change.

why are you so stupid?  it is impossible for any realistic presidential candidate to sign that because it would mean A LOT of hassling.  constantly.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Yea who needs that shit.
You're Arab right? You're gonna be the first to be denied rights if shit ever goes down and we don't change.

why are you so stupid?  it is impossible for any realistic presidential candidate to sign that because it would mean A LOT of hassling.  constantly.

Why? How would anyone get hassled?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

One week in Shanghai was enough to convince me of the importance of governmental regulation regarding environmental issues.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Have you ever stooped to think about stupid really are?  Like look at those Ron Paul supporters for instance.

I never stooped sorry.

Anyway lets stick to the issues.

[FlameOfCallandor]

One week in Shanghai was enough to convince me of the importance of governmental regulation regarding environmental issues.

 :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol :tbslol

China has way way way more government control than we will ever have.

Jesus you have to be a joke character.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Who will save us from ourselves!!! Only the government can! Please protect me.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

The difference between FoC and me is FoC believes that people are intelligent enough to govern themselves, while I believe that people are intelligent enough to support Ron Paul.

[FlameOfCallandor]

The difference between FoC and me is FoC believes that people are intelligent enough to govern themselves

This is the very basic principle of our government. This conversation can no longer go forward because you are in LaLa land.

[FlameOfCallandor]

China has almost zero governmental regulation regarding the environment.

And we all know how well their government regulation works.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-child_policy

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[FlameOfCallandor]

And we know how well the lack of it works as well!  (Also see above picture of burning river in Ohio. )

link please

[Howard Alan Treesong]

At the risk of actually appearing to engage FoC on some issues:

1) I am willing to cede personal freedoms to the government in exchange for improved quality of life. This is only on issues where the government can affect change that no individual or even organization is capable of performing. (environmental issues, health care issues, etc.)
2) I believe that people are basically selfish, short-sighted creatures and will always screw over their neighbor (and their children) for short-term personal gain. I also think that fucking over others in the name of "freedom" is amoral.
3) If it's 15 degrees hotter, the air is full of toxins, and I have cancer, personal freedoms won't do me much good.
4) Without government oversight, there is nothing to keep corporations from fucking over people in pursuit of the bottom line. Part of this is due to our fucked up treatment of corporations as individuals, but that's another story.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I also feel I should mention that my brother is partially deaf because he grew up in a town in Southern Arkansas with a dioxin incinerator that they assured us was "perfectly safe." Here's a twist ending that even a Ron Paul supporter should see coming from miles away: It wasn't, and birth defects and environmental illnesses in the town were through the roof. My brother had four sets of tubes in his ears by the time he was three years old. It took the intervention of the EPA (a governmental agency!) to finally shut the site down.

So excuse me if I don't exactly believe in the motherfucking free market, you...you...COLLEGE STUDENT.

[FlameOfCallandor]

At the risk of actually appearing to engage FoC on some issues:

1) I am willing to cede personal freedoms to the government in exchange for improved quality of life. This is only on issues where the government can affect change that no individual or even organization is capable of performing. (environmental issues, health care issues, etc.)

Who decides what the issues are? It's obvious that this does not work. Bush told us we needed to go to war in order to save our quality of life.

2) I believe that people are basically selfish, short-sighted creatures and will always screw over their neighbor (and their children) for short-term personal gain.

People are selfish short sighted yet the government isnt?  

I also think that fucking over others in the name of "freedom" is amoral.

Then what is the disagreement with Ron Paul. If you could sum up his views it would be "Live and let Live

3) If it's 15 degrees hotter, the air is full of toxins, and I have cancer, personal freedoms won't do me much good.

And all of our environmental issues will just disappear if we pass a law or two?

4) Without government oversight, there is nothing to keep corporations from fucking over people in pursuit of the bottom line. Part of this is due to our fucked up treatment of corporations as individuals, but that's another story.

You are right it is another story that I might even agree with you on. But What you are saying about corporations can be said 10 times over with the government.

I would rather give my fingerprints over to a corporation than the government any day. Why? Because you have legal recourse with corporations. Your options with government are substantially less.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I also think that fucking over others in the name of "freedom" is amoral.

Then what is the disagreement with Ron Paul. If you could sum up his views it would be "Live and let Live."

Whereas I would call it "Kill or be Killed."

What I meant to say is that "freedom" has no value when it is applied in an amoral fashion.

[FlameOfCallandor]

I also feel I should mention that my brother is partially deaf because he grew up in a town in Southern Arkansas with a dioxin incinerator that they assured us was "perfectly safe." Here's a twist ending that even a Ron Paul supporter should see coming from miles away: It wasn't, and birth defects and environmental illnesses in the town were through the roof. My brother had four sets of tubes in his ears by the time he was three years old. It took the intervention of the EPA (a governmental agency!) to finally shut the site down.

(Link Please)
It's a touching and yes this is tragic, but the government does have the right to intervene here. Your persons or property was damaged by someone else. I don't have a problem with this.

So excuse me if I don't exactly believe in the motherfucking free market, you...you...COLLEGE STUDENT.

Nice try, but I'm not in college.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

http://0-www.cdc.gov.mill1.sjlibrary.org/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1986-0519-1874.pdf

And if you're not in college, then how can you be stupid enough to buy Ron Paul's bullshit hook, line, and sinker?

You're a fucking cultist, you know.

[FlameOfCallandor]

http://0-www.cdc.gov.mill1.sjlibrary.org/niosh/hhe/reports/pdfs/1986-0519-1874.pdf

And if you're not in college, then how can you be stupid enough to buy Ron Paul's bullshit hook, line, and sinker?

You're a fucking cultist, you know.

How am I a a cultist?

You know, alot of people outside of College support Ron Paul.

College kids, especially the "internet" crowd is famous for being lazy and apathetic. I fail to see how Ron Paul wins Straw Poll after Straw Poll if it was this crowd.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

College kids, especially the "internet" crowd is famous for being lazy and apathetic. I fail to see how Ron Paul wins Straw Poll after Straw Poll if it was this crowd.

Actually, IP logs at most major polling sites suggest the answer is "spambots" but thank you for playing.

I suggest we create the "Ron Paul test" to go with the "Turing test."

The "Ron Paul test" is a human being so obnoxious, persistent, and slavishly devoted to a small number of talking points that he appears to an outside observer to be a computer.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Never has the term "wikiality" been more appropriate.

Only Ron Paul supporters have expanded that concept to include digg, blogs, forum posts...

It's webality 2.0!

That jibe is easy to remember because it's the same as his polling percentage.

[Van Cruncheon]

I would rather give my fingerprints over to a corporation than the government any day. Why? Because you have legal recourse with corporations.

you dumb maroon motherfucker, who gives you legal recourse? the federal government. without them, corporations would bend your ass over and shoot their cancer up your butthole while you tearfully cough up plebian sophistry about the "free market".

the only thing i trust less than the federal government is any given corporation.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I would rather give my fingerprints over to a corporation than the government any day. Why? Because you have legal recourse with corporations.

the only thing i trust less than the federal government is any given corporation.

I thought that logical loophole was so obvious it had to be on purpose.

Then again, we are talking about somebody who believes roads appear on the ground through the power of positive thinking.

[Van Cruncheon]

i should amend my statement: i support a strong governmental body because the only thing i trust less than the government and corporations are dipshit individuals like foc, and i would like to have some blanket assurance that their stupid won't somehow affect/infect me.

[FlameOfCallandor]

College kids, especially the "internet" crowd is famous for being lazy and apathetic. I fail to see how Ron Paul wins Straw Poll after Straw Poll if it was this crowd.

Actually, IP logs at most major polling sites suggest the answer is "spambots" but thank you for playing.

Spam bots spam Straw polls!!?? You do realize what Straw polls are right?

Also your spambot argument is debunked. Nice try  http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/016568.html

[FlameOfCallandor]

you dumb maroon motherfucker, who gives you legal recourse? the federal government. without them, corporations would bend your ass over and shoot their cancer up your butthole while you tearfully cough up plebian sophistry about the "free market".

What? English please. Your trolling isnt even making sense this time.

[FlameOfCallandor]

No, it was debunked that Ron Paul's campaign was involved, the spambots are still real.

Post a link.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Can anyone tell me how to get a spambot that will make $5 million for me? 


I guess that money appeared out of the interwebs.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

you dumb maroon motherfucker, who gives you legal recourse? the federal government. without them, corporations would bend your ass over and shoot their cancer up your butthole while you tearfully cough up plebian sophistry about the "free market".

What? English please. Your trolling isnt even making sense this time.

Reality-land
1) corporation fucks over FoC
2) FoC sues corporation
3) the strong judicial system of our federal government provides a framework in which FoC and the corporation can resolve their differences and the necessary muscle to enforce any decision reached

Ron Paul-land
1) corporation fucks over FoC
2) FoC sues corporation
2.5) FREEEEEDOM!! THE CORNERSTONE OF OUR FOUNDING CONSTITUTION LIBERTIES
3) corporation continues fucking over FoC

[FlameOfCallandor]

Reality-land
1) corporation fucks over FoC
2) FoC sues corporation
3) the strong judicial system of our federal government provides a framework in which FoC and the corporation can resolve their differences and the necessary muscle to enforce any decision reached

What is wrong with this? I agree with this.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Reality-land
1) corporation fucks over FoC
2) FoC sues corporation
3) the strong judicial system of our federal government provides a framework in which FoC and the corporation can resolve their differences and the necessary muscle to enforce any decision reached

What is wrong with this? I agree with this.

OH MY GOD WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THE WORDS YOU ARE TYPING

[FlameOfCallandor]

OH MY GOD WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND THE WORDS YOU ARE TYPING

[Howard Alan Treesong]

I want you to go reread the past dozen posts, then come back and tell the class what you missed the first time.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Ok.

[Howard Alan Treesong]

Here's the short version:

Who enforces laws?

If you sue somebody, who makes sure the results of that lawsuit are implemented?

[FlameOfCallandor]

The government has a right to a judicial branch. I fail to see what the big deal is.

[FlameOfCallandor]

Without a strong federal government, who enforces the laws?

was there a problem enforcing laws?

[Howard Alan Treesong]

do you think people obey the law out of the goodness of their hearts?