The Too Human Thread of BamYouHaveAids is a loser

[demi]

There was nothing to elicit a lol in that thread, Laharl... you lame

i'm sorry you didn't find the "they just lost one of the best hooks they had" amusing.

I didn't see anything wrong with that. When your name (NeoGAF) is plastered all over the internet, people will look. When have you seen something like this propagate in a huge manner?

[Tabasco]

If GAF is bringing back the fat jokes I want the gay jokes back too.  Sick of everyone being all offended by stupid stuff.

[duckman2000]

Today, 04:46 PM: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12455622&postcount=1101

Today, 04:48 PM: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12455642&postcount=1103

Come on, it's sort of funny.

[Bocsius]

I chuckled.

[duckman2000]

Oh my god, it's actually written by Paladino. 

Someone should ask them if they wouldn't prefer if he just came in there to gush about it.

[Mr. Gundam]

The other posters are just ignoring mifune's comment. 

[Eel O'Brian]

paladino used to be pretty funny on the video game show podcast

[duckman2000]

The other posters are just ignoring mifune's comment. 

This fails to surprise me. I guess if you can't get good reviews to slaver over, you might as well go read some totally honest impressions from Microsoft PR dudes.

You'd think the obvious PR stuff like "Banjo Kazooie: Nuts & Bolts ... Pre-Order Today!" or "Too Human - Get it! Got it? Good!" would have tipped them off. But hey, better hype through force denial.

[Eel O'Brian]

well, to be fair, paladino has always presented himself as community pr on gaf from what i recall

[WrikaWrek]

As opposed to the Insomniac dude rite duck.

[Crushed]

And the dude who works for an advertising company who makes professional threads for Killzone, Resistance, and MGS4.

[duckman2000]

well, to be fair, paladino has always presented himself as community pr on gaf from what i recall

For sure. I'm not saying anything about the source, but it's comical that it's being quoted as, you know, just some game impressions from some dude.

As opposed to the Insomniac dude rite duck.

Stevenson? He posts in the form of an Insomniac community manager, a bit like when Frankie posted about Bungie related stuff. If either of those posted their game impressions on a blog and people actually quoted these impressions as, you know, just some impressions from some dudes, then it'd be funny too. But that has, as far as I know, not occurred. You guys suck at this.

[Kestastrophe]

Btw demi, I was wrong. the big chains are only getting it tomorrow it seems.

I called my BB last night and they said it would be in by 10 this morning. I went at 3:30 and those distinguished retail fellows said that it doesn't get in until tomorrow at 2. 

[drohne]

using microsoft pr to counterbalance the negative reviews is honestly a step up from using russian maxim

not just maxim

not just a russian publication

but RUSSIAN MAXIM

[gibletsngravy]

Someone should post a gif of like evillore as the 300 dude kicking dyack as the persian down the hole!!! omg so aweomse!!! Wooooooooooowoooooo  neogaf motherfucker!!!!

[cool breeze]

Did Dyack even break the ToS at all?

[Flannel Boy]

Doesn't anyone care about St. Catharines' economy? 

[drohne]

by not buying too human i am not only striking a blow against shit games but helping provide young canadian engineers with the impetus to leave their miserable provincial backwaters

[Vrolokus]

Maybe someone else already raised this question, but:

Does anyone think Dyack might not have been banned if Too Human turned out to be a critical success?  I mean, banning a guy who hates you and makes mediocre games is pretty easy.  But what if those early reviews had been more positive?

[drohne]

seems pretty clear that the ban was set in motion by that 'worst forum ever' interview, which was presumably conducted before the reviews came in

but if too human was a critical success it probably wouldn't be such a shit game, and if it wasn't a shit game mark mcdonald wouldn't have written that e3 06 preview, and that preview seems to have given dyack's teetering mental health a decisive push -- so in a roundabout way you're right

[Vrolokus]

seems pretty clear that the ban was set in motion by that 'worst forum ever' interview, which was presumably conducted before the reviews came in

but if too human was a critical success it probably wouldn't be such a shit game, and if it wasn't a shit game mark mcdonald wouldn't have written that e3 06 preview, and that preview seems to have given dyack's teetering mental health a decisive push -- so in a roundabout way you're right

True.  I guess I just don't see Malka (or any of the GAF mods) banning a developer who makes games the majority of the board likes. 

The one thing that gives those guys - and most of the community there - a full, raging hard-on is the idea that developers and publishers give a shit what they say and visit the site.

[Smooth Groove]

Remember that thread Evilore made about the evil of groupthink at GAF?   

[Grecco]

Its so fucking sad that G4 is reporting on this.  What else can be said about the channel that has Ninja Warrior, Cheaters, and Hurl

[Smooth Groove]

The one thing that gives those guys - and most of the community there - a full, raging hard-on is the idea that developers and publishers give a shit what they say and visit the site.

How true.  Sadly, for those delusional posters, few relevant devs or publishers really give a crap about that forum.  I'm sure quite a few famous industry people sometimes post there to pass some free time but the majority of them are nobodies like the small time Sony devs that try to come off as being smarter than John Carmak and Gabe Newell.  

[cool breeze]

Its so fucking sad that G4 is reporting on this.  What else can be said about the channel that has Ninja Warrior, Cheaters, and Hurl

You're joking, right? this isn't actually on TV...that would just be wrong.

[Smooth Groove]

A lot of devs I know used to read GAF (mainly before the full NPD was cut off), but it seems Kotaku actually garners the most dev hits.

I could believe that but I doubt few of them take those GAF jokers seriously.  Or at least they shouldn't.

All the devs I've seen on GAF that've engaged in serious discussion should have spent more time on their shitty games instead of posting.  

[Grecco]

A lot of devs I know used to read GAF

it's weird that a whole slew have stopped huh?
like there was some event that tipped everyone over the edge.

Bowing down to the NPD masters and their Attorney Armies does that.

[Smooth Groove]

Dyack really  is a fucking idiot.  He doesn't have to take that crap.

Look at CliffyB for example.  I've seen him popped in a few times but he never bothers arguing with the fanboys that nitpick his game to death.  

Why bother when you're already at where those fuckers dream they would be?

[MCD]

Dyack really  is a fucking idiot.  He doesn't have to take that crap.

Look at CliffyB for example.  I've seen him popped in a few times but he never bothers arguing with the fanboys that nitpick his game to death.  

Why bother when you're already at where those fuckers dream they would be?

put up or shut up.

[Smooth Groove]

Why bother when you're already at where those fuckers dream they would be?

yup, responding and arguing it out is going to do nothing. once someone has decided you are a douche and your game is shit, how on earth do you reverse that ?!

Devs should know better and just stay above this.

Xfag Emperor

I bet your salary is 10x more than the Gaf Emperor will ever make. 

[Crushed]

A lot of devs I know used to read GAF

it's weird that a whole slew have stopped huh?
like there was some event that tipped everyone over the edge.

It was npd, that and the forum generally went to shit after they started to act self important.

Uh, EXCUSE ME, but according to the Venerable Owninator of Epic Win Evilore, LOTS of devs are still around.

They just don't want to post openly because of how stupid YOU all are, they don't want to be hassled by your dumbness.*




*Yes, he actually said something along these lines, that tons of important devs were still registering in SECRET.

[Mrbob]

EB don't let me down with your brutal honesty.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with one being shit and ten being really, really shitty where does Too Human rank? 

[siamesedreamer]

I know of at least three cases of people getting fucked over pretty bad for posting at GAF. :'(

damn...

[pilonv1]

can we get names/companies/hints?

[Brehvolution]

I know of at least three cases of people getting fucked over pretty bad for posting at GAF. :'(

Damn that is awful.  :'(
Did they let the cat out of the bag or something?

[duckman2000]

"It is a love or hate game."

My ass. The highest praise the game has gotten is "not bad"; not a single "serious" critic, not even the most Dyack-friendly among them, has managed to express "love" for the game. Not sure about "hate," either, but it's evidently not a very polarizing experience.

[cool breeze]

Yeah, this 'love it/hate it game' shit is really stupid.

The only times when it kinda works is when talking about a very specific genre, which Too Human isn't.  It would work for some obscure Japanese game, or a survival horror game, or other things like that.

[demi]

EB don't let me down with your brutal honesty.

On a scale of 1 to 10 with one being shit and ten being really, really shitty where does Too Human rank? 

7.7

[Grecco]

I know a guy from Blue Castle used to post at Gaf,  and one of the guys from Tiger Hill posted there

[cool breeze]

This easily the best defense of Too Human I have seen on gaf:

Since when did 3/5 = 6/10?

 

[demi]

I think this is the worst wait I've had to endure for a game... COME ON ALREADY

[Van Cruncheon]

[siamesedreamer]

This easily the best defense of Too Human I have seen on gaf:

Since when did 3/5 = 6/10?

 

 

[duckman2000]

Brilliant

[Great Rumbler]

This easily the best defense of Too Human I have seen on gaf:

Since when did 3/5 = 6/10?

 

Maths are hard.  :'(

[siamesedreamer]

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=12459246&postcount=1603

[Bocsius]

3 out of 5

6 out of 10

Nope, not seeing the connection.

[Crushed]

He was talking about 5 point review scales versus 10 point review scales.

[Brehvolution]

He was talking about 5 point review scales versus 10 point review scales.

And at what point do the lulz stop?

[Smooth Groove]

He was talking about 5 point review scales versus 10 point review scales.

And at what point do the lulz stop?

I'm not sure you quite grasp the seriousness of what transpired, nor the necessity for a representative of neoGAF to respond.

[border]

I still can't entirely see why scaling enemies is a horrifyingly bad design-decision for a dungeon hack-n-slash game, but given my inexperience with the genre I guess I can't do much but defer to the experts around here.  WoW's Heroic Dungeons (which scaled leveling dungeons into max-level dungeons with better loot) only improved the game, IMO.  So long as the loot and difficulty scales upward, why should old content be made obsolete by leveling?  I can understand how scaling might fuck up a game like Oblivion, because then it's difficult just to navigate even the newbie zones in the overworld without running into monsters that you have to stop and kill.  But if only the instances scale (as in Too Human or WoW), I don't really see the problem.

Anyhow, here's an SK designer to talk about how the scaling works.  Enemies scale to your level, but this does not take into account your gear and enchants:

http://toohuman.net/index.php?option=com_joomlaboard&Itemid=28&func=view&id=69557&catid=2



    - Your level (levels in coop) determine the "spread" of the enemy's levels that will spawn. You will often be fighting enemies below, at, and above your level.

    - Levels are pretty much base stats for you and the enemies. You can use all of the game's bonuses to go beyond that base. So for example, the Bioengineer can not 1hit kill a Melee Goblin of the same level (without a crit) at level 1 (if of course these are the stats/skills you want to focus on). You can easily power-up/loot your bioengineer enough to 1hit kill Melee Goblins of your same level at later/higher levels in the game.

    - XP in coop is essentially split, with a reasonable cap for the lower level player. There's potential to level a bit faster like this but nothing of "power leveling" type. Do expect a pretty strong challenge if you're of much lower level though.

    - At level 50 you will incredibly powerful, but the enemy tactics will alter along the way to keep them challenging. Here are some examples of evolving tactics:

        - Enemies will not circle you as long and go if for attack much faster at higher levels.
        - Enemies will have a greater chance of being a polarity, the higher their level is.
        - Telegraphs (pauses before their attacks) will be decreased, making them more ravenous.
        - Enemies will come in bigger packs, and more will attack you at once.
        - Missile Goblins will fire more missiles, that are more accurate, and travel faster.


    These are just some examples.

[WrikaWrek]

He was talking about 5 point review scales versus 10 point review scales.

And at what point do the lulz stop?

I'm not sure you quite grasp the seriousness of what transpired, nor the necessity for a representative of neoGAF to respond.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=6017.msg615322#msg615322

What the fuck man.

[Smooth Groove]

He was talking about 5 point review scales versus 10 point review scales.

And at what point do the lulz stop?

I'm not sure you quite grasp the seriousness of what transpired, nor the necessity for a representative of neoGAF to respond.

http://www.evilbore.com/forum/index.php?topic=6017.msg615322#msg615322

What the fuck man.

It was the first post I read when I clicked on that thread.  The serious tone of that post just made me ROFL.

[Vrolokus]

I'm not sure you quite grasp the seriousness of what transpired, nor the necessity for a representative of neoGAF to respond.

I saw that post too, and was immediately struck with a migraine. 

I'm toying with writing up a piece on GAF for the blog I work for... if anyone has dirt to dish, pm me. 

[JustinP]

pretty lame for neogaf to ban dyack.  not unexpected though. 

[demi]

Nah you shouldnt bother with that, it will probably get you censored... or banned

lol

[Tundra]

If you are even just a little bit in the spotlight, posting on a forum is just a very bad idea. You can only try to suck everybodies balls or at least avoid stepping on anybodies toes like your life depends on it (like Jaffe is doing on Gaf for instance).

You have to stay diplomatic at all times, yet those unwashed hordes of internet forum monkeys can throw whatever feces they desire at your head.

It's a lose-lose situation for the devs...

[Olivia Wilde Homo]

If you are even just a little bit in the spotlight, posting on a forum is just a very bad idea. You can only try to suck everybodies balls or at least avoid stepping on anybodies toes like your life depends on it (like Jaffe is doing on Gaf for instance).

You have to stay diplomatic at all times, yet those unwashed hordes of internet forum monkeys can throw whatever feces they desire at your head.

It's a lose-lose situation for the devs...

What the fuck?

A lot of developers do fine on GAF but Dyack made many mistakes:

- Treated trolling as a serious call out to his game, causing him to act like a batshit nutter.

- Never talked about anything other than his own stuff.  Other developers will at least talk about things other than their own games.  Dyack did not do this.  He amounts to nothing more than a shill.  Only twist is that he developed the games so he isn't like some random Sfag.  Still, if you look at his post history, all of his posts are about his games.

- Acted like a general douche.  If it was anyone other than Dyack, they would have been banned long ago.

[The Sceneman]

That guy has to be a distinguished mentally-challenged fellow.

he isnt, hes one of my best friends in real life, and he was clearly talking about point scales

[Tundra]

If you are even just a little bit in the spotlight, posting on a forum is just a very bad idea. You can only try to suck everybodies balls or at least avoid stepping on anybodies toes like your life depends on it (like Jaffe is doing on Gaf for instance).

You have to stay diplomatic at all times, yet those unwashed hordes of internet forum monkeys can throw whatever feces they desire at your head.

It's a lose-lose situation for the devs...

What the fuck?

A lot of developers do fine on GAF but Dyack made many mistakes:

- Treated trolling as a serious call out to his game, causing him to act like a batshit nutter.

- Never talked about anything other than his own stuff.  Other developers will at least talk about things other than their own games.  Dyack did not do this.  He amounts to nothing more than a shill.  Only twist is that he developed the games so he isn't like some random Sfag.  Still, if you look at his post history, all of his posts are about his games.

- Acted like a general douche.  If it was anyone other than Dyack, they would have been banned long ago.

I wasn't writing about Dyack in my post. I think you are right about that his approach was counterproductive...

My post was just a general observation...It's a very bad idea to post on a forum as a "celebrity", because either you try to please the "horde hive mind", or you are lost. I have seen it's couple of times in other places as well.

If you think you are on even terms as a known person with a bunch of anonymous people on a forum you clearly have no experience. There will be always some people testing you and your nerves, and some small cocksuckers who want to play big by shooting you down...