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« Reply #3600 on: August 11, 2022, 11:04:00 PM »


Kinda stupid. It was okay but parts of it really turned me off and the whole concept has been done much better including in books I've already posted in this thread probably. He laments misinformation but gets a good number of things wrong himself and cites things that don't even support them. He sticks a chapter on Lincoln inbetween chapters on Adams and Wilson suppressing the press but it makes it about how abolitionist Lincoln was supposedly convinced by the press to end slavery and never supports this in any way. Then in the last section of the chapter he offhand mentions how Lincoln jailed journalists, never mentions that this was without trial and against the orders of the Supreme Court. The majority of the book focuses on Clinton-Bush-Obama-Trump which is odd to me because those are the things most readers are already going to be familiar with. The Trump section is barely about the press as the rest of the book conceives of it and most people do, it's mostly about Rush Limbaugh, Alex Jones, QAnon, Steve Bannon, etc. Which is fine in that they're forms of the press but it doesn't support the central thesis of the book about the press clashing with the President, these all supported Trump! It just offhand mentions some of the rest of the press investigating Trump in the TWO Trump chapters. Then he does the worst thing possible, a final chapter with the "lessons" and "solutions" for the problems of the "press" that led to January 6th, which NOT THE THESIS OF YOUR BOOK DUDE, and his solutions are all the standard things like having the government fund journalists who report what it likes, having the government "force" Facebook and Twitter to ban more people and post more "fact checks", and of course Congress repealing Section 230. Also he says that Pepe is a neo-Nazi symbol. The funniest part of all to me was in the Trump chapters he complains a lot about Trump's attacks on the press but only briefly in one sentence mentions Trump's legal threats and desire to change the laws in this regard while quoting and sharing a bunch of different times that Trump called some media person stupid or ugly lmao



If I had known that the prior book was going to end with demanding the repeal of Section 230, I wouldn't have put these back to back but alas, reality is funnier than I intend it to be. Pretty much is just a straight forward history of how we got Section 230 and the major court cases that have interpreted it. He only briefly touches on how it's yet another example of American superiority over other loser countries (aka all of them that aren't America) and thinks there could be a narrow carveout made to address sex trafficking but isn't optimistic about opening up the entire opportunity to revisit it considering how bad politicians and others (like, say, journalism professors irrationally worried about non-journalists posting on the internet) want to eliminate it completely. He notes but doesn't completely get into how attempts to do this for a variety of issues have died because people who claim they just want to stop [thing X] by tweaking Section 230 almost always seem to reveal that they want to gut the entire thing and so even minor reform efforts fail quickly. The book does end around 2018 though so this isn't entirely his fault as some of these have been more recent.



Overall, I didn't mind this but I can't call it good once I started to reflect on it in the slightest ways. The "battle" doesn't take place until 2/3rds into the book. Uber starts, it's getting ready to go live in San Francisco and then suddenly it's a multibillion dollar enterprise in every city with thousands of employees. How did Uber grow? Who gives a shit apparently, why are you reading a book about Uber to find this out, what do I look like a famous New York Times journalist who got famous for "covering" Uber for years? Starts talking about people by their last names but not actually introducing them until chapters later. Spend a chapter talking about Uber buying some company. Three chapters later introduce the company and what it did, then repeat everything about it being bought. All kinds of irrelevant focuses on minor things and actions by journalists (like the author) while everything about the actual subject is completely unexplained and never investigated in detail. All kinds of weird assumptions like that being able to calculate how long it will take you to get somewhere is evidence of being a "math savant" and, crucially, this being the only detail needed to ever to show that someone is one. A whole book about business and "tech" but a constant display of no basic understanding of either, I don't even think he himself understood if the Uber security dude was talking to him about actual physical safety or like online safety about one subject. Then the "battle" happens, it kinda gets fun and it's immediately over. There seems like an interesting story here and some of the characters seem quite fun, some of the executives sound absolutely hilarious for being people at head of such an unicorn company and nobody caring that they were the people in charge, but it felt like the dude either completely botches or yada yada over what could be the best or most important parts of the story.



Fine, pretty straight forward history of Teddy's first term and his battles with J.P. Morgan and the coal miners strike. But that's really all it is, which is totally fine, but the subtitle and the intro and final chapter try to pretend there's more here. There's no actual battle for capitalism or anything, there's a single court case. She mostly treats the miners strike as an amusing aside that comes halfway through so you don't finish too quickly. Sure, she claims that single court case was the most important thing ever and changed the world, but she fails to mention that Teddy's administration never brought another significant antitrust case after the first one, then when Taft succeeded him Teddy spent years attacking Taft for doing too many antitrust cases and this was a huge reason Teddy claimed he had to challenge Taft and give us the infinitely worse Wilson. Then she tries to do that dumb thing where she explains how there's lots of important lessons from back then because now we live in the most important moment ever and we're facing even worse problems and the dangers are even greater, which omg stahp, Mark Zuckerberg as he currently stands is a lowly multibillionaire not J.P. Morgan 2.0 and Facebook is not remotely a monopoly that needs to be broken up by the government for restricting trade. I don't even know what she was trying to say about Putin/Trump other than the fact that she clearly thinks her readers are idiots who need CURRENT THING mentioned for them to have any connection to it.

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« Reply #3601 on: August 12, 2022, 03:22:30 AM »
Finally finished this:



Was actually a bit of a chore to read.
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« Reply #3602 on: August 12, 2022, 08:23:01 AM »
That's a shame, I've been wanting to read it. 

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« Reply #3603 on: August 12, 2022, 03:09:50 PM »
That's a shame, I've been wanting to read it. 
Don't let my opinion stop you. It just didn't click with me overall, but there are plenty of great little stories in there.
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« Reply #3604 on: August 13, 2022, 06:28:28 PM »
Finished Space: 1969 on Audible. That was great. Definitely channeled a lot of Bill Oakley's Futurama/Simpsons work. Good alt history sci-fi comedy. Quite funny. Worth checking out if you're into that stuff and have Audible. Only about 6-7 hours long.

Next up for audiobooks while driving/FF14 dailies is either:

Phillip Pullman's Golden Compass book #1
Dashiell Hammett's Red Harvest or The Maltese Falcon or The Thin Man or The Glass Key
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Jim Butcher's Dresden Files book #1
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« Reply #3605 on: August 13, 2022, 07:08:44 PM »
Dresden Files audiobooks are so damn good, but it takes 2.5 books for the series to hit its stride, then each book basically gets better than the previous one.

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« Reply #3606 on: August 13, 2022, 07:33:32 PM »
Yeah, one of the anthologies I read had a novella that took place mid-series and it was pretty enjoyable. Would be down to check out the series. The length is really been the most daunting aspect of it with so many books.

I heard the audiobooks are the best way to blow through the first few books until it gets real good.

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« Reply #3607 on: August 14, 2022, 01:26:09 AM »
Started listening to The Golden Compass. I thought this was a kids book but like it starts off with everyone having demon familiars and severed heads and like church is bad and idk seems pretty metal for a kids book.

I'm listening to the full cast recording and even though its unabridged, I'm starting to feel like for traditional novels I prefer just a normal audiobook with one narrator. When you have all these new characters talking with their own voice actors it's kind of hard to follow without the narration part you get from a traditional single narrator.

I had the same issue for one of the Sandman arcs in Act II where it jumped to a new setting with a bunch of new cast characters. I feel like with audio cast format it works better when you slowly introduce a character at a time. So you can recognize their voice and follow what's going on.

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« Reply #3608 on: August 15, 2022, 07:29:31 PM »
The Northern Lights is...really good so far. I'm blowing through this faster than any audiobook before outside Gaiman's Graveyard Book.
It's a really well written fast paced adventure. Pretty cool. I keep expectations really low for YA, and this is far surpassing them.

Probably will skip the audiobooks and just read the physical books for book 2 & 3. The audiobook is fine, but I don't think it's really adding anything. And it just feels like it'd be more enjoyable to read on paper.

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« Reply #3609 on: August 16, 2022, 04:50:15 AM »
Also the book is crazy sexist (a time period thing) and the whole book after the first 1/3rd in the castle is men trying to save the women and women talking about how men are just too amazing and wonderful and they do all this for little ole' women. What gallant individuals! Men so good, women pathetic and need men to do everything, etc.. etc...

Literally from the shit thread.

Bryce Dallas Howard on her Jurassic World experience and Chris Pratt:
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"What I will say is that Chris and I have discussed it, and whenever there was an opportunity to move the needle on stuff that hadn't been already negotiated, like a game or a ride, he literally told me: 'You guys don't even have to do anything. I'm gonna do all the negotiating. We're gonna be paid the same, and you don't have to think about this, Bryce,'" shared Howard. "And I love him so much for doing that. I really do, because I've been paid more for those kinds of things than I ever was for the movie."

Is it really that sexist?

Anyways, was like 10 days in Scotland and picked up a bunch of books.

- A.E. Van Voght's Slan
- Arthur C. Clarks' Fountain's of Paradise
- Joe Abercrombie's Red Country and Sharp Ends
- First Expanse Book
- John Wyndham's Chocky
- Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem

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« Reply #3610 on: August 16, 2022, 05:51:09 AM »
I think my biggest issue besides nothing much happening in the back half is that compared to modern vampire stuff Dracula himself is nerfed af here. Yeah he can get in with some difficulty and suck some blood. And yeah he kills some old people and breaks Renfield's back off-screen. But when he actually is confronted he just runs away like a scaredy cat and is a total pushover, which feels weird coming from more modern vampire stuff where Dracula is a badass mofo.
When you're immortal, what is more precious than your life/undeath? To me, it's more unrealistic that an immortal creature would stand and fight and risk being destroyed.
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« Reply #3611 on: August 16, 2022, 05:52:37 AM »
Also the book is crazy sexist (a time period thing) and the whole book after the first 1/3rd in the castle is men trying to save the women and women talking about how men are just too amazing and wonderful and they do all this for little ole' women. What gallant individuals! Men so good, women pathetic and need men to do everything, etc.. etc...

Literally from the shit thread.

Bryce Dallas Howard on her Jurassic World experience and Chris Pratt:
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"What I will say is that Chris and I have discussed it, and whenever there was an opportunity to move the needle on stuff that hadn't been already negotiated, like a game or a ride, he literally told me: 'You guys don't even have to do anything. I'm gonna do all the negotiating. We're gonna be paid the same, and you don't have to think about this, Bryce,'" shared Howard. "And I love him so much for doing that. I really do, because I've been paid more for those kinds of things than I ever was for the movie."

Is it really that sexist?

Anyways, was like 10 days in Scotland and picked up a bunch of books.

- A.E. Van Voght's Slan
- Arthur C. Clarks' Fountain's of Paradise
- Joe Abercrombie's Red Country and Sharp Ends
- First Expanse Book
- John Wyndham's Chocky
- Liu Cixin's Three Body Problem
Big fan of The Expanse series (books and TV).
I found the Three Body Problem boring.


I just started Network Effect by Martha Wells. I love Murderbot.


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« Reply #3612 on: August 17, 2022, 05:08:25 PM »
MURDERBOT is very good. I think I'm on book 3. Need moar.

Started listening to The Golden Compass. I thought this was a kids book but like it starts off with everyone having demon familiars and severed heads and like church is bad and idk seems pretty metal for a kids book.

I'm listening to the full cast recording and even though its unabridged, I'm starting to feel like for traditional novels I prefer just a normal audiobook with one narrator. When you have all these new characters talking with their own voice actors it's kind of hard to follow without the narration part you get from a traditional single narrator.

I had the same issue for one of the Sandman arcs in Act II where it jumped to a new setting with a bunch of new cast characters. I feel like with audio cast format it works better when you slowly introduce a character at a time. So you can recognize their voice and follow what's going on.

Northern Lights is fantastic. The first book is the best, but the rest are very good, and the finale is surprising and satisfying. Great stuff.

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« Reply #3613 on: August 18, 2022, 02:25:51 AM »
I'm also a big fan of Murderbot having read the first four books earlier this year. The later books are a lot thicker so it'll be a while before I pick them up. Now I have a large stack of other things I want to read first.

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« Reply #3614 on: August 18, 2022, 02:49:09 AM »
Yeah, I took my time between book 4 and 5 for that very reason. I really like novella length, especially for something like Murderbot. I'm actually quite worried that over a longer novel, Murderbot the character might be quite annoying.
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« Reply #3615 on: August 18, 2022, 03:59:01 AM »
Finished John Wyndham's Chocky.

It still holds up. It's like Stand on Zanzibar, but instead of talking about overpopulation, it focuses on how wasteful people are with their resources. It's always fun when these old ass books call out things we're dealing with now. (Overpopulation and wasting of natural resources.)

These might've actually aged like fine wine. Reading Albert Camus' The Plague during the height of the Covid pandemic was also an amazing experience. You could easily transpose the fronts that formed in the book with those that formed in real life.

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« Reply #3616 on: August 18, 2022, 09:24:25 AM »
I get that Wang and Dong are like regular chinese names but it's kinda distracting in Three-Body Problem. "Professor Dong"

Who's next? Chung Kee Ho and Fat Kok?

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« Reply #3617 on: August 18, 2022, 04:13:39 PM »
I get that Wang and Dong are like regular chinese names but it's kinda distracting in Three-Body Problem. "Professor Dong"

Who's next? Chung Kee Ho and Fat Kok?
The two brothers Hung Phat and Hung Long took me right out of it  :doge
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« Reply #3618 on: August 18, 2022, 05:29:26 PM »
I get that Wang and Dong are like regular chinese names but it's kinda distracting in Three-Body Problem. "Professor Dong"

Who's next? Chung Kee Ho and Fat Kok?
The two brothers Hung Phat and Hung Long took me right out of it  :doge

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« Reply #3619 on: August 18, 2022, 11:15:36 PM »
Pines, #1 of Wayward Pines was good.  Very much Twin Peaks inspired. 

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« Reply #3620 on: August 19, 2022, 02:04:06 AM »
Finished Mort

Pretty fun book. Story itself wasn't great, but was an enjoyable read with frequent good bits. Short, funny, just a good quick comfort reading book.

Makes me want to give going through the whole series another shot. I really didn't enjoy Book #1 - The Colour of Magic. I remember skimming a wikipedia summary of Book #2 The Light Fantastic afterwards which is the 2nd part to the Rincewind story and it didn't sound too interesting. Don't remember anything at all from either. I just remember it didn't read well. Now three books later and Mort read fine and by Men at Arms, which I also read and is like book #12 or something, Pratchett's writing was great.

I could give book #2 a shot, but probably wouldn't like it and get burnt off the series again.
I could skip book #2 and try book #3 Equal Rites which is the witch subseries. But I also hear the books didn't start getting good until Mort at book #4 so that one might burn me as well.
I could read book #5 Sourcery next I guess? Back to Rincewind but maybe actually good this time?

Idk. The Night's Watch seems like the best sub-series, so I could just read those maybe. And maybe the other Death sub-series books.

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« Reply #3621 on: August 19, 2022, 02:54:49 AM »
I am 22 books in to my first Discworld read through (I'm going chronologically) and the City Watch and Witches are by far the best characters.

I thoroughly enjoyed Guards! Guards! which is the first in the City Watch books and is essential reading to understand the interpersonal relationships. They just get better as the characters become like old friends.

The Witches books are just great because Nanny Ogg and Granny Weatherwax are two of the best characters ever created. Equal Rites is fun and gives you good background, but Wyrd Sisters and Witches Abroad are hilarious and heartwarming and sharp.

Small Gods is a personal favourite and easy to read as a one-off.
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« Reply #3622 on: August 19, 2022, 03:38:12 AM »
Pyramids is also a fun standalone to read. Imagine a story set in ancient Egypt but then crossed with quantum mechanics.

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« Reply #3623 on: August 21, 2022, 11:08:18 PM »
Finished The Northern Lights audiobook. It was great! Like I felt the first half and its world building and mysteries was stronger than the back half adventure but there was good stuff in there like the WAR BEARS stuff. Ending destination you could see from a mile away but was a fine cliffhanger ending.

The only thing that kinda bugged me was how Lyra keeps getting kidnapped so like the plot moves forward and then whoops separated from everyone and has to escape again and again.

I'm interested in checking out the HBO series adaptation, though I've heard mixed on S1 which covers this. I can't imagine a TV show having a budget to do this properly. Though I looked at the cast and Lin-Manual Miranda as the Texan hot balloon guy seems like fun casting that I'd enjoy.

Will jump into book 2, but probably listen to/read some other stuff for a bit first.


At this point I've started a bunch of series jumping from book 1 of one series to another:

Discworld - 3 of 41 books down
Skyward - 1 book of 3 + novella down
Wheel of Time - 1 book of like 13 down
Scythe - 1 book of 3 down
Northern Lights - 1 book of 3 down
First Law stuff - 3 books of like 9 down

Probably gonna finish some of those before starting Dresden files or anything else. I picked up Discworld book #2 and I started re-reading book #1 since it's a direct sequel and despite only reading book #1 two years ago in 2020 I didn't remember anything from it and I'm reading at skim speed and already halfway through so will just take another day or two and then probably read The Light Fantastic next since these are short books.

Also re-reading book #1 of discworld after Mort, which was only written 4 years later, it's crazy how like Death is a completely different character in book #1. He's kind of a dick going around killing things including taking off one of a cat's lives for fun whereas by book #4 he loves cats and saves them. I heard Pratchett was figuring out discworld for the first bunch of books and it doesn't really get book to book consistent with the characters/world until Guards Guards Guards at book #7, which is fine. It's just kind of weird.

I am enjoying this re-read of book #1 much more, having read some better Discworld and having a frame of reference vs going into this as my first Discworld book. I think book #1 loses steam after the initial 1/3rd in the city with Rincewind and Twoflower and the whole place burning up because insurance lol, the whole jumping from episodic adventures after is a lot less engaging but it's fine skimming it. I do like the idea of it where gods are playing D&D which is the background cause of stuff happening one after another. It's clever and fun. It's just the happening stuff is kinda zzz.

I heard book #2 drops the episodic nature and is just a singular focused tale so I think I'll enjoy it.

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« Reply #3625 on: August 23, 2022, 05:21:27 AM »
I'd love to read physical copies of some of those books. I've noticed that I rarely read more than a page of digital books. Neither my Kindle or the digital subscription of Edge gaming magazine are used.

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« Reply #3626 on: August 23, 2022, 08:50:56 AM »
I'm the complete opposite, it's so much easier to read on kindle that I read way more because of it.  I like the aesthetics of real books but will never go back. 

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« Reply #3627 on: August 23, 2022, 12:00:45 PM »
Tor giving away book 5 of Mistborn.  Book 4 was a bit ago.  Guessing we will also get 6 in preperation for book 7.

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« Reply #3628 on: August 24, 2022, 08:38:32 PM »
Listening to Hammet's Red Harvest and it's pretty fun. Real easy to listen to with it being almost entirely dialogue back and forths.

Things about that slang that have stuck out so far from books 100 years ago:

-They call guys pretty a lot. Kind of interesting that pretty was not feminine back then.
-The main gumshoe is a badass mofo at 5'6", the average height has really increased in 100 years. I missed my time to shine at 5'5".


Also I finished my re-read of Discworld Book #1 The Colour of Magic and yeah it's a book that is kind of not great. The first 1/3rd is fine, but once they leave Ankh-Morpork and go on their episodic adventures it just gets worse and worse and the continuity between episodic adventures is almost nil. The cave with Hrun is fine but then suddenly there's imaginary dragons and suddenly they're in the middle of the sea and sacrifice island and it's like what?? Found it pretty confusing even in this re-read. Like it would just jump from one spot to another between episodic parts.

Plus Rincewind isn't that interesting other than saying "YAR?" a lot. And Death is not.my.discworld.death.

Anyhow started on The Light Fantastic last night. Will see how it fares.
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« Reply #3629 on: August 24, 2022, 09:11:06 PM »
Stick with it. Discworld is  :aah
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« Reply #3630 on: August 26, 2022, 02:52:51 AM »
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.

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« Reply #3631 on: August 26, 2022, 02:59:16 AM »
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
Cohen the Barbarian though...
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« Reply #3632 on: August 26, 2022, 03:01:46 AM »
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
Cohen the Barbarian though...

He's had like one scene so far. No opinion on him yet.

Also these books don't have chapters which structurally bugs me. It just keeps going and going and going in a ramble jumping scenes between paragraphs and back.

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« Reply #3633 on: August 26, 2022, 03:06:31 AM »
The Light Fantastic is the only book where each night I pick it back up and each time I have no idea of what's going on and I have to go back a page or two to try to remember.

Like a quarter through now,

Rincewind/Twoflower are still very uncompelling as are all the minor characters. The only good character subplot so far is this old wizard at the university and his apprentice who keeps trying to murder him. That's great and kind of better than anything else going on in the book so far.

Also a little annoyed that it goes from the characters falling off the discworld and going into space at the end of book #1 which would've been an interesting place to pick up from in book #2, to retconning all that and just being in a boring forest (except for the talking trees) and I guess this book is just about everyone chasing Rincewind or something to get the spell that's in his head.
Cohen the Barbarian though...

He's had like one scene so far. No opinion on him yet.

Also these books don't have chapters which structurally bugs me. It just keeps going and going and going in a ramble jumping scenes between paragraphs and back.
That's probably my biggest complaint about Pratchett
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« Reply #3634 on: August 26, 2022, 04:39:45 AM »
I thought the three asterisks denoted the end of a scene/chapter. It's how I've been reading these for years.

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« Reply #3635 on: August 26, 2022, 05:58:44 PM »
So Cohen's schtick is just that he's old? Ehhhhhh...

I like the Night Watch, I like Death, still kinda feel meh on everyone else I've met in Discworld at this point.

I thought the three asterisks denoted the end of a scene/chapter. It's how I've been reading these for years.

I think so but you only see one of those every blue moon. Also don't remember if he started doing that later on. I remember that in Mort, but here in book #2 almost halfway now and I can't remember seeing it in this book.

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« Reply #3636 on: August 27, 2022, 03:56:49 AM »
I flipped through The Light Fantastic and the longest without the asterisks is the final chapter at 70 pages. Second longest is like 40 pages and most of em are like 15 to 20 pages. Maybe you're reading a digital copy that got rid of a bunch of them?

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« Reply #3637 on: August 30, 2022, 04:14:13 AM »
Finished The Light Fantastic. That was...pretty good. The first third or even half suffers from a similar problem with the back half of Colour of Magic in that it starts out with all these vignettes jumping from scene to scene and while some bits are good like the talking trees, a lot of it are just kind of eh (gingerbread house, druids) and the continuity doesn't flow that well making it hard to stay engaged when the scenes keep changing every few minutes.

But once the party with Cohen gets together and it's basically a single PoV narrative for the entire back half...it reads well and is a lot of fun and I'd say it's a better story than Mort. The luggage is the MVP best character for sure. Death & Luggage are my two favorite discworld characters at this point.

I thought the very end was a slight dip down in that Rincewind who is a total coward irritable person the whole two books suddenly becomes like a hero and wins a fight and says a bunch of hero stuff in the finale which felt out of character. Mort had the same issue where Mort was a weird autistic kid but then becomes a total out of character protagonist for the finale in the final fight. I feel like Pratchett, at least in these early books (I can't remember how Men at Arms ended), had some difficulty balancing his non-traditional goofy characters while also trying to have more traditional "hero fights at the end and wins and is a cool winner" fantasy tropes because it just feels like the characters suddenly become out of character in these finales. These uncool but enjoyable characters shouldn't be cool in the end, they should just win in an uncool and in character way.

Otherwise the back half was great. Overall it's a good book and 200% improvement over book #1.

Will be interesting to see what book #3 Equal Rites is like. At this point I've read at least one book from each the main discworld sub-series except the witches. I don't know anything about them since they haven't really appeared in the other books I've read. Going in blind here. Going to read that next and then will take a discworld break since I'll be done with #1-#4 before I read #5 Sourcery at some point in the future.

I flipped through The Light Fantastic and the longest without the asterisks is the final chapter at 70 pages. Second longest is like 40 pages and most of em are like 15 to 20 pages. Maybe you're reading a digital copy that got rid of a bunch of them?

Yeah, I noticed them when I started looking, though what a chapter signifies vs just a paragraph break in this book, who knows.

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« Reply #3638 on: August 30, 2022, 04:56:57 AM »
Started reading Equal Rites.

That was a legit really good opening.

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« Reply #3639 on: August 30, 2022, 05:24:29 AM »
Granny Weatherwax and Nanny Ogg are legit two of the best characters in fiction.

The interplay between them is unbelievably funny and pretty much everyone can find some trace of one of their own grandmothers between the two of them.


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« Reply #3640 on: September 02, 2022, 10:11:03 AM »
The Three-Body Problem was good.  I'm a sucker for hard sci-fi. It's obvious that Liu Cixin is a sucker for old hard sci-fi as well. Hope the next two books in the trilogy hold up to the same standard.

I started reading Arthur C. Clarke's Fountains of Paradise straight after and it's funny to see parts of that story that were echoed in The Three-Body Problem.

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« Reply #3641 on: September 07, 2022, 12:01:42 AM »
I'm probably finishing Equal Rites tonight and so I went to buy Discworld #5 Sourcery and Discworld #6 The Wyrd Sisters and Discworld #7 Pyramids for when I get around to this series again and given all the years and repressings of certain books the covers are kind of an incoherent stylistic mess.

From Pratchett's own website:



Right now I have books 1-4 and book 8 - Guards guards guards all in that same one color simplified style (not sure why they aren't showing 1-3 in that style in this image). Doesn't look like there was a version of Sourcery done in that style though.

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« Reply #3642 on: September 07, 2022, 12:03:35 AM »

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« Reply #3643 on: September 07, 2022, 12:05:14 AM »
https://discworld.com/products/paperbacks/

I see. Looks like a bunch of books were just re-released this year with that new Harry Potter-esque style (blargh). But doesn't seem like there was a pressing of Sourcery prior to that besides the original cover.

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« Reply #3644 on: September 07, 2022, 12:07:49 AM »


Looks like Wyrd Sisters did get a release in the style that I have 2-4/8 in. But it's out of print and Sourcery and Pyramids don't appear to have gotten a release in this style.

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« Reply #3645 on: September 07, 2022, 12:27:08 AM »
https://www.discworldemporium.com/product/discworld-collector-s-library-the-complete-collection/

Dang, those are nice covers. Ain't paying that though lol.

Fuck it. I calculated buying the rest of the series a book at a time over the years in paperbacks and at $15 after tax per book, it comes to like $500 for the rest of the series if I stick with it. Given the current UK/Dollar rate, even after 90 Euro shipping, it's still like a bit over $600 USD. So like $100 premium for nice hardcovers of the series instead of ugly paperbacks that have no coherence.

Guess this is my birthday present to myself. Sure hope I stick with the series and eventually read them all at this price.

*edit* actually nothing in the world seems to give you the exact USD/Euro exchange rate exactly :(  Still came out to $718 USD running it through the cheapest method. Most expensive books I will have every bought. But it is forty hardcover books, so it still comes down to $17.95 each which is pretty normal price. Just a lot when it's at the same time...Also this is going to be one heavy fucking package.
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« Reply #3646 on: September 07, 2022, 04:23:26 AM »
https://imgur.com/a/vHzNN

This is a collection of the original covers. The first 26 books were done by Josh Kirby. He passed away, so they had to get a new illustrator.

From those books on Paul Kidby was the one doing the cover arts.

Those you got are mostly American reprints I'm guessing. Americans probably think the old style is too wacky or something.

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« Reply #3647 on: September 07, 2022, 05:45:23 AM »
Kirby covers are the only ones to get honestly.
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« Reply #3648 on: September 07, 2022, 01:24:13 PM »
I respect the original Kirby covers and the highly detailed satirical takes on the 70s/80s fantasy book covers with muscled men and half naked women and dragons. It's good art and fits.

But it's just not a aesthetic I've ever been into. I find those old fantasy book covers its satirizing gross looking. The art in that hardcover set I'm getting appeals more to my "aesthetic art to have on the shelfs" side.

 

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« Reply #3649 on: September 07, 2022, 07:29:59 PM »
Wayward Pines trilogy was decent. 

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« Reply #3650 on: September 08, 2022, 03:37:27 AM »
Ok, finished Discworld #3 - Equal Rites

Fun book. The opening is really strong and gandalf-y and the ending stuff with Granny Weatherwax and the University head Cutangle is fantastic. Esk is a good lead character and lots of funny little escapades throughout. The story is pretty short, it's basically "here is the situation -> journey to university -> finale", but it's enjoyable. Would make a fun animated movie.

I actually looked up movie/tv adaptations after this. I had thought that nothing discworld had ever made it to tv/movie, which seemed weird as some of the books like this and Mort would be fun little movies. But then I discovered that there actually were a handful of animated adaptations and Colour of Magic/Light Fantastic got a 2008 live-action one with Tim Curry? And people seem generally thumbs up on it?

I think I'm gonna watch that adaptation soon. Seems like it'd be a fun curiosity.

I liked The Light Fantastic, Equal Rites and Mort all about the same? Good 3/4 star enjoyable romps. Equal Rites/Mort being better plotted but I think the back half of Light Fantastic might be the strongest. Tough to pick the best of those. All good reads.

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Good popcorn book. Like it reads very pulpy and has lots of snappy dialogue. The main detective guy The Continental Operative's deadpan can be enjoyable. You can see the influences it had on the whole hard boiled fiction/noir genre and I liked that the book has a few mystery who dunnits throughout the plot.

That said, the main OP is so lacking any emotion/empathy he's just kind of a terrible person? Like he doesn't react a single time to anyone he knows dying and consistently sets people up to be brutally murdered to accomplish his goals. Also the second half of the book is this gang war which is so incredibly rushed where like 90% of the characters from the first half are killed off-page. You go from a meeting to the next page where half of them are dead. Part of it I assume had to do with print standards and not being able to do graphic deaths on the page, but it's also the pulpy side of not getting to deep into any of the characterization style which just makes it all feel very rushed and lack proper depth.

But it's fun popcorn entertainment and I enjoyed it. There's a scene in Miller's Crossing which is literally a word for word recreation of a random scene in the book where a gang throws dynamite into a base with opposing gang members and after the explosions someone says "don't shoot, I'm coming out" and he stumbles out and stands for a sec and then the other gang just shoots him and laughs and it's just sorta a scene of a thing that happens during a gang war.

I wouldn't mind reading/listening to another Hammett or some Chandler down the line, but that was kind of enough for me. I think I'll start on the Northern Lights book #2 audiobook for next listen.
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« Reply #3651 on: September 10, 2022, 03:01:06 AM »
Watched the Colour of Magic and Light Fantastic TV movies tonight. They were...pretty good! Like outside being budget TV and some just ok directing, the writing was good and the acting was great. Worked pretty well! My only gripe is for The Light Fantastic they cut a lot of parts I really liked in the book like the talking trees and troll forest and suitcase as more of a character, but they nailed the Cohen the Barbarian stuff and got the gist of the story at a brisk pace.

Definitely reinforced that The Light Fantastic is a good story.

Now I wish they did adaptations of Equal Rites and Mort. I saw the Disney directors that did The Princess and The Frog wanted to do Mort as their next film but they couldn't obtain the rights which seems crazy. I feel like if they did Mort these days it should be a CG film in that stop-motion style Kubo and the Two Strings.

Oh and I liked how for these TV movies they did Death just as a guy in a halloween store costume with Christopher Lee doing the voiceovers. Was great!

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« Reply #3652 on: September 10, 2022, 04:01:14 PM »
Elder Race by Adrian Tchaikovsky was a very wonderful and charming novella.  I would highly recommend it. 

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« Reply #3653 on: September 10, 2022, 10:49:09 PM »


Jesse Singal spreads a bunch of malicious lies about Proven Science™ just because no published science or research supports any of them. Good book to get the names of a bunch of horrible monsters who demand absurd things like evidence instead of just supporting objectively Good Things. Who cares if power posing doesn't work and one of the lead authors openly says they don't think any evidence supports it? It makes some people feel better so why ruin it JESSE? Who cares if implicit bias studies aren't supported by anything, it FEELS true and shouldn't we address THAT? JESSE never says why addressing these issues aren't important just because nobody can prove they're real, he simply implies we should focus only on real things. FUCK OFF JESSE! WHY ARE YOU THE WAY THAT YOU ARE?



Very interesting topic in a very uninteresting book. Felt like I've been reading this forever but it's only 450 pages long. It's not academic writing, not bad academic writing, just bad writing. Dude does that thing where you post a graph then spend three pages describing everything about it. My dude I understood LINE GOES UP THEN STOPS GOING UP when I saw it! Lots of paragraphs being repeated constantly every time some near topic comes up. Covers all kinds of different aspects not just ebooks but audiobooks, Kickstarter, etc. The guy is mostly fair throughout the book until the end when he gets to his real problem which is Amazon. He has no real specific complaints about anything Amazon does (except he doesn't like that they sell things that are not books), his complaint is really that Amazon is too successful in general and took successful at giving customers what they want. He laments that people don't "browse the stacks" of Amazon like they would a physical bookstore, but I'm not sure many people would do that before anyway. He also seems to think we should be proud of his refusal to sign up for Amazon Prime. The weirdest part of this to me is that the rest of his book actually kind of cuts against his Amazon complaints because he spends much of his book delving into all the many non-Amazon things in book publishing out there including lots of other successful companies. I'm not sure that Amazon's dominance of the physical book retail space and Amazon's own exclusivity requirements on books they themselves publish do much to threaten the entire book industry as he surmises at the end. He worries that Amazon's ability to collect customer data is a huge problem but he never actually explains why he thinks this and especially never explains why he thinks this will be bad for books. He just seems to think that general data complaints are obviously also somehow a potential problem with books too. The main thing he articulates here is the same thing he articulated with the "browse the stacks" complaint, that most people probably just look at recommendations and "other users also bought with" rather than pouring through the millions of books. He concludes that the government needs to break up Amazon, Google and Facebook into multiple competitors to protect the book industry which doesn't make any sense to me.

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« Reply #3654 on: September 13, 2022, 03:28:36 PM »
mistborn 6 free on tor

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« Reply #3655 on: September 13, 2022, 04:30:57 PM »
mistborn 6 free on tor

Bands of Mourning is my favorite book in this series. Not sure how well it would stand without all the background, but it's a great swashbuckling Indiana Jones adventure in a steampunk world. Some really funny bits, and an overall great fun story.

I'd probably recommend this to people who don't read Sanderson or Mistborn and aren't particularly interested in doing either in the future as just a standalone book if they want the closest thing to an Indiana Jones and The Last Crusade book.

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« Reply #3656 on: September 13, 2022, 05:57:11 PM »
because I just read this and you said the word swashbuckling  https://twitter.com/dtmooreeditor/status/1569366666844192769

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« Reply #3657 on: September 13, 2022, 08:15:47 PM »
because I just read this and you said the word swashbuckling  https://twitter.com/dtmooreeditor/status/1569366666844192769
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« Reply #3658 on: September 13, 2022, 11:34:08 PM »
I'm a couple hours into His Dark Materials Book #2 - The Subtle Knife and again I'm pleasantly pleased by how fucking metal this series is.

I feel like YA is a post-2000s thing. When I was in school in the 90s I never heard the term YA. It wasn't until anime was big in the 2000s that it felt like Shounen/Shoujo created a "YA" classification in the western world.

Like yeah, maybe this falls into YA category if you retro-actively place it in that the main character is a teen, but at the same time I don't think when Pullman wrote this he was thinking "I'm writing a YA book" and kept within the modern YA restraints. It just feels like he was writing a story.

I mean Wheel of Time isn't YA, but this is about as dark and serious as WoT (but way more fun).

Book #2 opens with a dude getting his neck broken and then a torture scene with a mercy killing of the tortured with a knife through their heart. You've got dead kids in this series. And then you've got Lord Azreal being a metal ass jrpg dude with his goal

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This series is cool. I'd like to think HBO being HBO means that the latest adaptation isn't toning any of this down.

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« Reply #3659 on: September 14, 2022, 02:09:12 PM »
My discworld books came today. They're nice but a lot smaller than I expected. I thought by hardcovers and at the prices they are (USA Hardcover price basically) they'd be USA hardcover big size books, but they're like pocket diary size / mass market paperback sized little tiny books with nice hardcovers.







At least that'll make them easier to find room to put them on a bookshelf. Nice to have the whole series (minus book #27 The Last Hero) in a matching aesthetic format. Though I do wish the books had a book # to tell the release order without having to look it up.