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« Reply #27240 on: July 10, 2017, 12:33:55 PM »
I think Maguire was fine. It was the script writing that put him in a bunch of bad scenes where he had to act with Dunst (and their zero chemistry) or act emo about his life which made him look bad. I don't think any young actor (of that time) saves those scenes.

I think SM2 is one of the most overrated comic book movies of all time. Doc Ock (and the action scenes) really saved it. A lesser actor than Alfred Molina or some badly shot action scenes and people would've been disappointed by it (like they were with SM3).

They are all kind of flawed movies if you think about it. I don't think it's fair to compare the new with the old and they are so different tonally and Raimi was operating without a net (at the time).



 

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« Reply #27241 on: July 10, 2017, 01:19:09 PM »
I think SM2 is one of the most overrated comic book movies of all time. Doc Ock (and the action scenes) really saved it. A lesser actor than Alfred Molina or some badly shot action scenes and people would've been disappointed by it (like they were with SM3).

Disagree. SM3 had different "problems." Actually, aside from Topher Grace, the acting was fine and the action scenes were great.

Even with the parameters you set (different Doc Ock actor, worse action scenes) Spider-Man 2 would still be absolutely great. It would still have Rosemary Harris and all her wonderful scenes. It would still have Peter getting dumped on only to return triumphantly. It would still have him giving up MJ and her still choosing him at the end. It would still have Elfman's score. It would still have J.K. Simmons. It would still have the Evil Dead II-inspired surgery scene.

In short, it would still have all the heart it has. That's why people rated it so highly.

















Molina is wonderful, of course, and the train scene is still awesome, but they're not the reasons SM2 is a cut above the rest.
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« Reply #27242 on: July 10, 2017, 01:33:13 PM »
It's been a while since I've seen em, but I recall liking 1 the best and finding 2 a bit too slow to get moving. I felt Molina pretty much saved 2. Again, old memories so I may be misremembering. If 1 took a while to get moving, maybe I was more forgiving since it was the origin story. And had Macho King Randy Savage.
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« Reply #27243 on: July 10, 2017, 01:42:42 PM »
I think Maguire was fine. It was the script writing that put him in a bunch of bad scenes where he had to act with Dunst (and their zero chemistry) or act emo about his life which made him look bad. I don't think any young actor (of that time) saves those scenes.

I think SM2 is one of the most overrated comic book movies of all time. Doc Ock (and the action scenes) really saved it. A lesser actor than Alfred Molina or some badly shot action scenes and people would've been disappointed by it (like they were with SM3).

They are all kind of flawed movies if you think about it. I don't think it's fair to compare the new with the old and they are so different tonally and Raimi was operating without a net (at the time).

So, if Spiderman 2 had more bad things, it would have been less good ?
Joking aside, I don't disagree, I think the first Raimi film is still my favorite (flaws and all) out of the three and that the sequel kept bloating while rehashing the same story. Spiderman 2 may have the better action scenes and a better villain (though I remember I was not a fan of the sappy, "tragic" treatment of Doctor Octopus.) but it couldn't recapture the amazement of seeing the previously unthinkable spectacle of a believable Spiderman live on screen, web traversing NY and all.

Otherwise finished My Journey Through French Cinema by Bertrand Tavernier, I was only missing the bit about Sautet. It's hinted they're working on an episodic TV series within the same framework, which would be good news.
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« Reply #27244 on: July 10, 2017, 01:43:35 PM »
I can't go back to the first because of how origin-y it is. :goty2

At least we'll always have clips of Defoe Green Goblin on YouTube.

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« Reply #27245 on: July 10, 2017, 01:55:38 PM »
I think SM2 is one of the most overrated comic book movies of all time. Doc Ock (and the action scenes) really saved it. A lesser actor than Alfred Molina or some badly shot action scenes and people would've been disappointed by it (like they were with SM3).

In short, it would still have all the heart it has. That's why people rated it so highly.


I find most of these scenes schmaltzy and melodramatic. Just rewatch that "Im Back!" scene with a more critical eye. Lifetime network-level of filmmaking. But I watched these movies initially as a jaded adult, not a kid. Maybe my perspective would be different.

 
You left a scene out, by the way:



Just pure cheese and is not the tone of the Spiderman I grew up reading. It's more in line with those original Superman movies.  Which were fine because they fit the tone of those comic books.



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« Reply #27246 on: July 10, 2017, 02:03:00 PM »
Funny i actually like topher grace as the bully. It work's better than some big dumb jock to have him just be this fake nice guy but real asshole type. He would do something thing similar in Predators.

My problems with SM3 are all Tobey/Parker stuff and James Franco even if we got some dank memes out of it.

Fond memories of being banned at a forum I used to post at because I pointed out via footage in the trailers that James Franco/Harry dies.

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« Reply #27247 on: July 10, 2017, 02:05:58 PM »
I find most of these scenes schmaltzy and melodramatic. Just rewatch that "Im Back!" scene with a more critical eye. Lifetime network-level of filmmaking. But I watched these movies initially as a jaded adult, not a kid. Maybe my perspective would be different.

 
You left a scene out, by the way:



Just pure cheese and is not the tone of the Spiderman I grew up reading. It's more in line with those original Superman movies.  Which were fine because they fit the tone of those comic books.

Which era of comic books did you read, though? Spider-Man has had a lot of different tones since it started.

Also, you're not wrong about the Superman connection:

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Raimi stated the story was partly influenced by Superman II, which also explored the titular hero giving up his responsibilities.[25] The story is mainly taken from The Amazing Spider-Man No. 50, "Spider-Man No More!"

I dunno. People call it cheese and schmaltz, and I call it character and heart. *shrugs* It certainly stands out compared to the mostly-homogenized fair being served up today. You can totally tell it's a Sam Raimi movie.

Spider-Man Homecoming? I'm sure it's great, but I couldn't tell you who the director is - and I bet that goes for most of the people who have seen it, too. Another cog in the machine.

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« Reply #27248 on: July 10, 2017, 02:07:24 PM »
but it couldn't recapture the amazement of seeing the previously unthinkable spectacle of a believable Spiderman live on screen, web traversing NY and all.

That's exactly my view, also. I remember walking out of the first Spiderman thinking "Holy Shit, they actually pulled it off!". A similar feeling when I first saw LOTR. More thrilled by the execution of the movie, rather than the movie in of itself.


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« Reply #27249 on: July 10, 2017, 02:07:30 PM »
Funny i actually like topher grace as the bully. It work's better than some big dumb jock to have him just be this fake nice guy but real asshole type. He would do something thing similar in Predators.

Like most things, Spectacular Spider-Man nailed Eddie Brock. Go watch that if you want a great Venom story with clear, understandable motivations.

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« Reply #27250 on: July 10, 2017, 02:12:41 PM »
Also, the end of the train scene in SM2 is a bit cheesy, but the bridge scene in Spider-Man 1 tops it x 100.



So if you're using cheese to put down SM2 and at the same time are stanning for SM1, at least acknowledge the hypocrisy.

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« Reply #27251 on: July 10, 2017, 03:08:48 PM »
I'm not stanning for SM1. I just said that 2 is wildly overrated. People consider it the best superhero flick ever.

SM1 is flawed too, but gets my nod in the trilogy because it competently brought Spider man to screen. Seemed impossible at the time.


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« Reply #27252 on: July 10, 2017, 03:25:19 PM »
I haven't seen Spider-Man 2 since, well, like 2007 or some shit(the train scene pissed me the fuck off then) so maybe I should give it another chance.


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« Reply #27253 on: July 10, 2017, 03:32:13 PM »
There's no accounting for taste, I suppose.

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« Reply #27254 on: July 10, 2017, 05:52:36 PM »
I get that I was young but spider-man 1 and 2 wil probably forever be magic for me.

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« Reply #27255 on: July 10, 2017, 07:03:00 PM »
Social media impressions of Dunkirk have got me hard.

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« Reply #27256 on: July 10, 2017, 07:31:21 PM »
I finally got around to watching Moana. That movie was the shit.

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« Reply #27257 on: July 10, 2017, 07:52:51 PM »
I finally got around to watching Moana. That movie was the shit.

I really liked the fantasy Polynesia setting and mythology.

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« Reply #27258 on: July 10, 2017, 08:05:13 PM »
I get that I was young but spider-man 1 and 2 wil probably forever be magic for me.
We're talking about the movies from 2002 and 2004, right? I still don't get the hate, the movies were good and I really enjoyed them. Both back then and when I rewatched a few years ago.

Also, haven't watched Moana yet. Probably will do that soon, maybe tonight.

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« Reply #27259 on: July 10, 2017, 10:15:51 PM »


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« Reply #27260 on: July 11, 2017, 12:48:01 AM »

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« Reply #27261 on: July 13, 2017, 09:57:05 PM »
Yet more evidence that Jodorowsky and myself are joined at the soul. From an interview with the master himself. Also, more evidence the Beatles suck.

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He was staying in the Plaza Hotel [in New York], in a big suite. He was dressed all in white. Very, very spiritual. He said, ‘I like the script, I want to do the picture. But there is one little part I cannot do.’ I said, ‘What little part?’ He said, ‘In a swimming pool, with a hippopotamus, I must clean my asshole in front of the camera. I don’t want to do that.’ I said to him, ‘I am very happy that you like my picture. But this moment is very important for the picture and you are the biggest star and if you show your anus it will be the most fantastic illustration of how humble your ego is.’ And then he said, ‘No, I can’t do it.’ So I said, ‘Well, I can’t work with you.’

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« Reply #27262 on: July 13, 2017, 10:16:42 PM »
Yet more evidence that Jodorowsky and myself are joined at the soul. From an interview with the master himself. Also, more evidence the Beatles suck.

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Wasn’t George Harrison meant to be in The Holy Mountain?
He was staying in the Plaza Hotel [in New York], in a big suite. He was dressed all in white. Very, very spiritual. He said, ‘I like the script, I want to do the picture. But there is one little part I cannot do.’ I said, ‘What little part?’ He said, ‘In a swimming pool, with a hippopotamus, I must clean my asshole in front of the camera. I don’t want to do that.’ I said to him, ‘I am very happy that you like my picture. But this moment is very important for the picture and you are the biggest star and if you show your anus it will be the most fantastic illustration of how humble your ego is.’ And then he said, ‘No, I can’t do it.’ So I said, ‘Well, I can’t work with you.’

http://www.uncut.co.uk/blog/the-view-from-here/an-interview-with-alejandro-jodorowsky-george-harrison-sacred-mushrooms-and-the-universe-70884

You've reminded me of a quote I saw yesterday: "When two people kiss, it forms a long tube between two assholes."

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« Reply #27263 on: July 14, 2017, 02:01:29 AM »

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« Reply #27264 on: July 14, 2017, 02:24:45 AM »
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« Reply #27265 on: July 14, 2017, 10:30:30 PM »
So I saw Spider-Man. Liked it, it was cute. Great script and did a good job keeping it street level-ish and humanizing the bad guy which is big step up for Marvel. I think the director was punching a bit above his weight and so it comes off as good but not GoTG2 level. If he's back for the sequel hopefully he improves, but I think the writing team and acting is good. Sidekick classmate was kinda too dumb/annoying rather than fun friend guy. Also yeah, very origin story, focused on managing Spider-Man vs Peter Parker again, more excited about the next movie. The tone was great and what was needed considering it's the third reboot and state of the movie franchise.

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« Reply #27266 on: July 15, 2017, 06:42:55 AM »
Just came back from spiderman, meh didnt like, didnt hate. Not really the spiderman I want to see so i'll likely give these a miss going forward.

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« Reply #27267 on: July 15, 2017, 08:36:58 PM »


nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.
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« Reply #27268 on: July 16, 2017, 12:57:31 AM »


seeing Infinity War trailer for first time

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« Reply #27269 on: July 16, 2017, 01:27:03 AM »
wait, Warner Bros. hired nine people to write the story (not the screenplay or anything, just the base story) for Godzilla vs. Kong :neogaf

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« Reply #27270 on: July 16, 2017, 01:51:58 AM »
From one of the related producers on the reboot Tomb Raider film (with Walton Goggins as Lara Croft) that just finished filming:
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« Reply #27271 on: July 16, 2017, 03:17:19 AM »


nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.

Shit, I mistook Oprah for a drag queen on first viewing.
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« Reply #27272 on: July 16, 2017, 05:59:41 AM »
Shit, I mistook Oprah for a drag queen on first viewing.
I thought she was an unlikely choice to play Goku, but it just work.

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« Reply #27273 on: July 16, 2017, 08:27:00 AM »


nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.
I wanted his to be good but honestly this looks fukking lame :donot
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« Reply #27274 on: July 16, 2017, 08:03:15 PM »
Watched Battle Royale for the second time. First time was so long ago I couldn't remember much. Great movie, aside from the lighthouse spaghetti scene, which was too hysterical to even be satire. Also, it's hilarious that Kitano is in it because he's still a pretty big TV figure in a Japan. On top of that he looks way too similar to my evil ex-father-in-law. :lol

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« Reply #27275 on: July 16, 2017, 08:38:09 PM »


Greatly enjoyed watching this mixed up neo-noir about Japanese people in San Francisco. Hit a bunch of the right notes, and I was genuinely wondering how it would end. It emphasized how people can have information about different parts of the same incident, and be unable to put pieces together due to shortcomings in communication. It also introduced me to the concept of l'homme fatale.

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« Reply #27276 on: July 16, 2017, 10:47:06 PM »
The Little Hours is packed with deliberate anachronisms and a surprisingly faithful look and feel of 1400's Italy. Its a bawdy comedy about unhappily cloistered nuns and the handsome stranger that disrupts their sanctuary that despite all the f-bombs dropped feels like an authentic sorta re-telling of what must have been the frustrations of a mundane medieval lifestyle. That its also frequently pretty funny is almost beside the point, as its more interesting as a successful experiment in contemporizing a very old story. I liked it, and the cast is killer. I now want Fred Armisen to play every exasperated Bishop part that comes down the line.

Sofia Coppola's The Beguiled isn't a very deep film, but for its purposes it doesn't have to be. Its a plenty enjoyable, simmering and sweltering bit of Southern Gothic, with great acting and astounding cinematography (worth seeing theatrically for the visuals alone). Its a classed up potboiler, one who's artistic intentions never get in the way of the good time it has to offer as it tells its story about unhappily cloistered Southern belles and the handsome stranger that disrupts their sanctuary. Colin Farrell should always keep his accent.

Baby Driver might end up being the best action movie I see all year, if not its a cinch to be the best musical tho. Like a version of Refn's Drive that wants to be fun and not disturbing, and like that kinda similar film its also a highly technically accomplished film. Its also very often laugh out loud funny without actually being a full-on comedy. Its a light weight but takes its goofy premise seriously, as fun (and very well selected) pop songs play over much of the film and syncopate to actions mundane and thrilling. Not only does the music gimmick work, the films sound design and editing is a wonder. And it took me this long to get to the perfectly pitched performances that invariably accompany some mind-bogglingly complex action scene that's well queued to a classic song by Queen, lets just say. Man, what a great film!

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« Reply #27277 on: July 17, 2017, 12:52:46 AM »


nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.
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« Reply #27278 on: July 17, 2017, 04:22:18 AM »


nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.

There are a bunch of negative posts above mine, but this gave me the good kind of chills in spades.

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« Reply #27279 on: July 17, 2017, 12:33:56 PM »

nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.

I helped my kid do a book report on this the past year. I had forgotten what a stupid book/premise it was.

The dialog is super corny. Even grading on a curve that it's a kids book.




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« Reply #27280 on: July 17, 2017, 03:08:31 PM »
It's like from the 60's, though, dude, they barely even knew how to write back then.
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« Reply #27281 on: July 17, 2017, 05:02:23 PM »
Still not sure how I feel about this, other than wanting Jared Leto to die 30 seconds into the movie.

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« Reply #27282 on: July 17, 2017, 05:22:53 PM »
I'm not really that interested because it's another WWII drama war movie and we've had about a million of those, but on the other hand apparently it's pretty great and Christopher Nolan is my spirit animal.
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« Reply #27283 on: July 18, 2017, 01:49:23 AM »
I think that's pretty much all the action scenes (i hope) still going to watch at the cinema.

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« Reply #27284 on: July 18, 2017, 08:05:38 AM »

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« Reply #27285 on: July 18, 2017, 08:08:33 AM »
Shut up, Raist. SHUT UP, RAIST!! SHUT UP, RAIST!!!!!!!

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« Reply #27286 on: July 18, 2017, 08:20:18 AM »
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« Reply #27287 on: July 18, 2017, 09:53:48 AM »
:(  I really want this to be good.  The casting is perfect and the series is dead for all time on film if this bombs.  And mostly I want to see Wizard and Glass on TV or on film.  I don't care which.

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« Reply #27288 on: July 18, 2017, 11:22:04 AM »


This could either be pretty good or absolutely fucking shit. :lol

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« Reply #27289 on: July 18, 2017, 11:34:09 AM »
A24 tho

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« Reply #27292 on: July 18, 2017, 06:08:34 PM »
Fucking meh. Ross :larry
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« Reply #27294 on: July 19, 2017, 03:43:26 AM »


This could either be pretty good or absolutely fucking shit. :lol

Was expecting more from Franco's Wiseau impression. Hype deflating.
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« Reply #27295 on: July 19, 2017, 04:29:41 AM »
I've never seen the Room.

Should I support Tommy with a purchase?
https://www.tommywiseau.com/product/the-room-blu-ray/

In bore fashion it comes with underwear he designed himself  :lol

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« Reply #27296 on: July 19, 2017, 09:55:46 AM »
I've never seen the Room.

Should I support Tommy with a purchase?
https://www.tommywiseau.com/product/the-room-blu-ray/

In bore fashion it comes with underwear he designed himself  :lol

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« Reply #27297 on: July 19, 2017, 11:31:34 AM »

nb4 "lol dramatic version of pop song"

I really want this to turn out good because I liked the book when I read it...like...20 years ago? It's been ages, don't even really remember much about it.

I helped my kid do a book report on this the past year. I had forgotten what a stupid book/premise it was.

The dialog is super corny. Even grading on a curve that it's a kids book.

I did the best book report I ever did on AWIT. What a pain in the ass. I hated that fucking teacher so much and I recently found out she's not even dead. She looked like a witch.

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« Reply #27298 on: July 19, 2017, 06:23:52 PM »


:hyper

Looks like Amelie meets Pan's Labyrinth meets friendly Deep Ones.

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« Reply #27299 on: July 19, 2017, 06:38:13 PM »
Yeah, I'm on board.

Though he gave up directing PR2 for this?