Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread

[Diunx]

Everything can be rebooted with the right people behind it.

[Phoenix Dark]

All Bonds suck, this is a known fact. Gross numbers merely show which film hoodwinked the most dumb people.

Bourne

This post is so fail.

No, it's the best post in this thread of fanboy fellatio

[Cheebs]

PD do you think Bourne will work still without Damon coming back?

[Phoenix Dark]

I'm not discussing rumors and innuendo. Damon is Bourne, Bourne is Damon. I'm here to support the real talk, and the real talk says Bourne>Bond

If they never make another, it will still  go down as one of the best film trilogies of all time. In three films it made the world realize just how stale and boring Bond has been since forever.

[Diunx]

smh.

[Raban]

I'm not discussing rumors and innuendo. Damon is Bourne, Bourne is Damon. I'm here to support the real talk, and the real talk says Bourne>Bond

If they never make another, it will still  go down as one of the best film trilogies of all time. In three films it made the world realize just how stale and boring Bond has been since forever.

What I don't understand is people who make the comparison. The movies are nothing alike. Not even in plot, character, style, anything. Bourne films are action movies, Bond films are spy fiction. Bourne is some dingus who lost his memory and then he didn't and then oh no I've gone cross-eyed. Bond is a devilishly handsome womanizing spy for the British government.

Jokes aside I don't dislike the Bourne movies, but I don't understand why people compare them to Bond all the time. If I could find the person who started this shit, I'd anally rape him and then blow his brains out when I come.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

The only Bonds I hold in any regard are the early ones, and even those aren't exactly great films. Casino Royale got a lot of unearned praise for being such an airless, empty bore. Didn't bother with QoS.

[Raban]

The only Bonds I hold in any regard are the early ones, and even those aren't exactly great films. Casino Royale got a lot of unearned praise for being such an airless, empty bore. Didn't bother with QoS.

CR was great until two thirds in. Dear lord did it turn into shit.

I still think Goldeneye is an amazing film, as is From Russia With Love and Goldfinger.

[WrikaWrek]

And whoever gets James Bond, will put their own producers on it, and depending on the studio they might very well not bring back Daniel Craig, in favor of an actor that has closer ties to the studio.

Daniel is only in it for the long haul, if MGM themselves make James Bond.

fact: Pierce Brosnan was the biggest bond since Connery, and each Bond of his broke previous records.

MGM doesn't actually make the movies. EON does. EON is the company that has actually developed and hired the writer/director/star of all the Bond movies going back to Dr. No. EON is the studio that signed Daniel Craig.

fact: Pierce Brosnan was the biggest bond since Connery, and each Bond of his broke previous records.

Sorry to burst your bubble but Daniel Craig's Bond movies made more than Pierce Brosnan's. A LOT more. It's not even close.

1. Casino Royale:$594,239,066   
2. Quantum of Solace: $586,090,727
3. Die Another Day: $431,971,116   (Brosnan's highest grossing Bond film)

Even adjusted for inflation Daniel Craig's films are the top grossing Bond films since Connery. He is the most successful Bond actor since Connery, period.

Uh, i said "was". And he got the boot.

Maybe Daniel gets the boot, and then another dude becomes the next biggest bond since whatever. Daniel Craig is in no way shape or form the reason why people saw Bond.

EON is the studio house that has the people that work on Bond, but the decisions are green light by the studio. And IF say, warner Brothers for example bought the Bond property, there's no certainty that they wouldn't take it to some other studio.

See, it's MGS that greenlights pre production, budget, etc

It's like saying, it's not Warner Brothers that makes Batman, it's Legendary. Lol, yeah sure, it's that studio that gets it all together on the development side, but top level decisions go by Warner Brothers.

"making up stuff", give me a break, insulting me like that for something that is 100% true.

[Cheebs]

Uh, i said "was". And he got the boot.

Maybe Daniel gets the boot, and then another dude becomes the next biggest bond since whatever. Daniel Craig is in no way shape or form the reason why people saw Bond.

EON is the studio house that has the people that work on Bond, but the decisions are green light by the studio. And IF say, warner Brothers for example bought the Bond property, there's no certainty that they wouldn't take it to some other studio.

Brosnan did not get the boot. His contract was for 4 films, he did 4 films. They just choose to not do anymore with him after it was up. He was never booted with a film left on his contract with EON. In fact not one Bond actor has ever been fired with a film left on their deal. Not one time in 50 years over the course of now 23 films. Craig, the most successful Bond of all time would be the first based on your theory. Which makes nooooo sense. Craig has 3 films left on his deal. And Clearly EON wanted him as long as possible due to the fact they signed him to 2 more fllms after his initial 3.

And MGM never got involved in EON's choice of who plays Bond. That has ALWAYS been Broccoli and Wilson's decision alone (and Broccoli and Saltzman before that but Saltzman left EON). The head of EON always picks who is Bond. EON does everything  themselves. Who picked Sam Mendes earlier this year? It was EON. Who signed the contract for Daniel Craig and picked him? EON. The studio who funds EON to make it does not ever pick who the director/writer/star is, it's always been EON.  It's be like Paramount telling Lucasfilm who to cast as Indiana Jones in Indiana Jones 4, it just doesn't work that way in this set up.

And that won't suddenly change. And there is no reason for it. Craig is the most succesful Bond of all time by a HUGE margin. EON won't mess with that.

I have no idea where you are trying to come from. I am a huge fan of this franchise, everything you are saying does not match with how this series is produced ever across multiple studios being the distributor these last 50 years.

Craig has much of a chance of being fired from Bond as Downey Jr. does from Iron Man.  Hell, even less so. It makes me want to punch myself in the face that I even have to explain this.

I'm not discussing rumors and innuendo. Damon is Bourne, Bourne is Damon. I'm here to support the real talk, and the real talk says Bourne>Bond

So no Bourne 4 for you then eh? 

I like bourne but 2 and 3 were basically the same film, they needed to change it up a bit.

[Phoenix Dark]

Seriously, in Casino Royale Bond goes to a casino and plays forever, then takes his girl on like a 30min montage of "hang out time" before the action starts again.

boooring

[The Dark Shake 3000]

The only Bonds I hold in any regard are the early ones, and even those aren't exactly great films. Casino Royale got a lot of unearned praise for being such an airless, empty bore. Didn't bother with QoS.

Except even the early Bond movies suck.

Eh, some of them are pretty enjoyable, but they're not great cinema. Hardly worthy of all the faux prestige and fanfare, though.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Seriously, in Casino Royale Bond goes to a casino and plays forever, then takes his girl on like a 30min montage of "hang out time" before the action starts again.

boooring

It's not even that it's boring, it's that nothing is happening. I don't need Bond to get into wacky adventures all the time (though that does seem to be the basic premise most of the films employ) but good lord Casino Royale was like watching paint dry. And people on here were upset it didn't get any Oscar love and tried to argue that it was better than The Departed.

Evilbore circa 2006 was basically AICN, but worse.

[Cheebs]

Solo was insane for saying Casino Royale was better than The Departed.

[Great Rumbler]

On Her Majesty's Secret Service bitches!

License to Kill

[Cheebs]

best bond movies.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

The Departed is a better film than The Aviator. The Aviator does a few things better but on the whole was more disappointing and messier than The Departed.

Also, You Only Live Twice is the last Bond I watched and it wasn't so bad.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Next you guys are gonna argue that Infernal Affairs is a better film.

[Diunx]

The Living Daylights is so good, probably my favorite Bond movie and it is of course superior to everything with the name Bourne in it.

[Diunx]

The Departed is a better film than The Aviator. The Aviator does a few things better but on the whole was more disappointing and messier than The Departed.

That is it, I'm not taking anything you say about movies seriously after this.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

The Departed is a boring film? Wow, I honestly can't even wrap my head around that. Whatever you say, buddy.

[Veidt]

The Departed is boring? Internal Affairs is better? What is going on, what dimension is this?

Departed is my favourite Scorsese film.  Di caprio's best performance, Marky Mark's best performance. Great choice of casting, and one hell of a soundtrack.



These last few posts have been "fucking magnets, how do they work?"

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Omg, a voice of reason

EDIT - Well Departed certainly isn't my favorite Scorsese, but boring? Really?

[Veidt]

Seriously. So much tension in that film, all the way till the end. gotta love it.

[cool breeze]

yeah, I didn't like The Departed and haven't seen Infernal Affairs.  The one thing I remember about The Departed was the rat.

[Veidt]

Man, Swaggaz..I suggest you re-watch it.  I'm fairly certain you'll enjoy it the second time around.

[Cheebs]

In terms of his recent output I'd go:

The Aviator > Shutter Island > The Departed > Gangs of New York

The Aviator might be his best film since Goodfellas I think, I haven't seen Casino in a while though.

Anyone who prefers Internal Affairs to the Departed though as said wisely, is a jappafag.

[WrikaWrek]

I really liked IA back in the day.

Then i watched The Departed and hated it, making me like IA even more. But then i watched it again, and i preferred it over IA. And then i went and saw IA again and thought it was absolute dog shit wtf, like somehow i had seen a different movie. Which made me like The Departed even more. Then i watched The Departed again....


Now i think both movies suck dick.

[Cheebs]

Martin Scorsese is my favorite director of all time and I don't think a single movie of his is unwatchable of those I've seen (I haven't seen New York New York and Kundun). The closest would be Boxcar Bertha but that is still interesting to watch.

Everyone should check out his first movie Who's That Knocking At My Door.    trailer:
[youtube=560,345][/youtube]

[Smooth Groove]

Anyone who prefers Internal Affairs to the Departed though as said wisely, is a jappafag.

It depends on what kinda movie you prefer.  IA is definitely more thrilling while Departed provided more involving drama between its better fleshed out characters. 

Also, WTF.  IA isn't even made by the Japs.  Learn your racism, son! 

[Cheebs]

Also, WTF.  IA isn't even made by the Japs.  Learn your racism, son! 

I think you missed the point.

[Phoenix Dark]

As a survivor of the infamous The Departed Wars 06-07 on Evilbore and former acolyte of the film, I must admit something: it's not that good dawgs. While it is a "good" film to me personally, it gets worse each time I watch it. There are scenes in the film that just don't work. On one hand it's this serious crime drama but on the other hand there are parts that feel like they could be in New Jack City

Di Caprio's performance is great though, that's never under debate. But I will have to cast my straws with the Aviator>Departed crowd

[Smooth Groove]

Also, WTF.  IA isn't even made by the Japs.  Learn your racism, son! 

I think you missed the point.

Actually I thought about that but then I remember the Oscars calling it a Japanese film so I thought you were mistaken. 

[Smooth Groove]

As a survivor of the infamous The Departed Wars 06-07 on Evilbore and former acolyte of the film, I must admit something: it's not that good dawgs. While it is a "good" film to me personally, it gets worse each time I watch it. There are scenes in the film that just don't work. On one hand it's this serious crime drama but on the other hand there are parts that feel like they could be in New Jack City

Di Caprio's performance is great though, that's never under debate. But I will have to cast my straws with the Aviator>Departed crowd

Also, the action moments in Departed really failed, especially compared to the much cheaper original.  It's a failure of the film because it was clearly going for thrills in those moments but they just weren't very exciting.

[WrikaWrek]

IA had some tension because of the editing and soundtrack.

The Departed had no tension because of the editing and soundtrack.

[Cheebs]

As a survivor of the infamous The Departed Wars 06-07 on Evilbore and former acolyte of the film, I must admit something: it's not that good dawgs. While it is a "good" film to me personally, it gets worse each time I watch it. There are scenes in the film that just don't work. On one hand it's this serious crime drama but on the other hand there are parts that feel like they could be in New Jack City

Di Caprio's performance is great though, that's never under debate. But I will have to cast my straws with the Aviator>Departed crowd

watch my video

[Phoenix Dark]

Wow, in those types of "professional nude" scenes it must be hard to stay calm. There's no way Keital didn't have a raging boner

[Cheebs]

What video?

trailer for scorseses first movie on the page back. I think its the type of movie PD would prefer to the departed for certain reasons.  

[Eric P]

ia > the departed

[brawndolicious]

ia > the departed

i agree with this japafag.

[Eric P]

why would a japafag like a chinese movie?

[Cheebs]

why would a japafag like a chinese movie?

Because it has dudes with slanted eyes, aka enough to dismiss it outright.

[Diunx]

Not to mention the moon speak.

[Ichirou]

best bond movies.
(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)(Image removed from quote.)

Living Daylights

Timothy Dalton

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Yeah, I forgot the general EB consensus was "lolol The Departed sucks, worth Scorsese ever, they just gave him a pity oscar out of respect"

Even if you don't particularly like it, saying it's boring or even one of Scorsese's lesser movies is pushing it. It's certainly no Boxcar Bertha.

[Bloodwake]

I liked the Departed. It was a decent film.

Considering 99% of the shit out there today, it seems distinguished mentally-challenged to bitch about a great film because it isn't MINDBLOWING JESUS CHRIST AWESOME LIFECHANGING.

Then again, many people are going to use the same argument about Avatar so I will shut up.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Except Avatar really isn't a great film. It's a great effects demo ladled over a film most people would tear apart if it were directed by anyone other than Lord Cameron.

[Himu]

Except Avatar really isn't a great film. It's a great effects demo ladled over a film most people would tear apart if it were directed by another other than Lord Cameron.

Well, it's well directed and well edited. In terms of presentation there's nothing really to "tear apart". Avatar's problem is the writing and story.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Except Avatar really isn't a great film. It's a great effects demo ladled over a film most people would tear apart if it were directed by another other than Lord Cameron.

Well, it's well directed and well edited. In terms of presentation there's nothing really to "tear apart". Avatar's problem is the writing and story.

But if the presentation was truly flawless the story, writing, characters etc wouldn't suck. And fucking up all three disqualifies it from being a "great film".

[Himu]

I actually think the direction made the story enjoyable. Not anything great, but it was easy to follow and well told. It's an entertaining movie, but I agree that it's not a great film, either.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

I hope we can all at least agree The Departed > Avatar

[Himu]

I love The Departed.

[Bloodwake]

Except Avatar really isn't a great film. It's a great effects demo ladled over a film most people would tear apart if it were directed by another other than Lord Cameron.

Again, I'm not jumping on the Avatar love train, but I will admit that it's a good film. I wouldn't even mind buying the Blu-ray once there's a 3d version. My problem with Avatar fandom is that there are plenty of other GREAT movies out there that got completely looked over just because James Cameron directed it. Honestly, even the mainstream fan of Avatar doesn't even give a shit if Cameron directed it. It's usually OH THE VISUALS or OH SHIT THE 3D WAS AWESOME.

There are much worse films than Avatar out there as well. And I am by no means disagreeing with the sentiments in that post. Take away the visuals and it would be just another okay film with an unoriginal story, mediocre acting,  and a few good action sequences.

[Himu]

I too tire of Avatar trolling. It's not the worst movie ever, people, and the Oscars put it in its place by giving it only awards affiliated to presentation.

[Bloodwake]

I too tire of Avatar trolling. It's not the worst movie ever, people, and the Oscars put it in its place by giving it only awards affiliated to presentation.

If there is a God, he answered my prayers on Academy Awards night.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Except Avatar really isn't a great film. It's a great effects demo ladled over a film most people would tear apart if it were directed by another other than Lord Cameron.

Again, I'm not jumping on the Avatar love train, but I will admit that it's a good film. I wouldn't even mind buying the Blu-ray once there's a 3d version. My problem with Avatar fandom is that there are plenty of other GREAT movies out there that got completely looked over just because James Cameron directed it. Honestly, even the mainstream fan of Avatar doesn't even give a shit if Cameron directed it. It's usually OH THE VISUALS or OH SHIT THE 3D WAS AWESOME.

There are much worse films than Avatar out there as well. And I am by no means disagreeing with the sentiments in that post. Take away the visuals and it would be just another okay film with an unoriginal story, mediocre acting,  and a few good action sequences.

Which is basically my problem with most of the film's fans. Fuck, even professional critics pretty much gave it a pass because it was nice to look at and nothing else. Most reviews even said as much. That's not okay. We need to have higher standards than just "well, it looked pretty cool". If all we ask of films these days is that they look cool and are easy to understand than we have truly denounced intellect and dignity as an audience.

Again, not saying if you like Avatar you're a mindless gimp or anything, but if the only reasons you liked it are because it was cool to look at then you need to re-evaluate why you even bother watching movies. Why not just watch a laser light show or something for three hours instead?

spoiler (click to show/hide)

This post isn't directed at you, but I just feel like ranting against the legions of Cameron fanboys defending a bad film because it was pretty to look at.

[close]

[Smooth Groove]

If nothing else, The Departed introduced me to Vera Farmiga.  Lovely lady and great actress.  For that reason alone, The Departed. 

[The Dark Shake 3000]

Exit Through the Gift Shop (2010, Bansky)



Fucking awesome. Probably the best street art documentary I've seen (even better than Style Wars which is great), and more importantly a pretty fascinating dissection of art and artists as a whole. See this if you can. My third favorite of the year after Shutter Island and Mother.

[The Dark Shake 3000]

I was heartbroken to learn she used an ass double in Up in the Air :'(

[Phoenix Dark]

Though this scene is of course the sexiest scene of any John Hughes movie:
#t=6m30s

No one can argue with that.

Never seen it