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« Reply #16440 on: March 07, 2013, 05:01:53 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?
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« Reply #16441 on: March 07, 2013, 05:08:55 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.
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« Reply #16442 on: March 07, 2013, 05:34:55 PM »
So your theory is that Palpatine Force Fucked Anakin's mom, gotcha.
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« Reply #16443 on: March 07, 2013, 05:36:22 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.

whoa I don't remember this
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« Reply #16444 on: March 07, 2013, 05:41:05 PM »
 :what

so fucking stupid, making anakin the force jesus
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« Reply #16445 on: March 07, 2013, 05:44:39 PM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.

whoa I don't remember this
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I linked the video.

So your theory is that Palpatine Force Fucked Anakin's mom, gotcha.

It's not a theory. It's right there in the movie. I linked the video of the scene above.
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« Reply #16446 on: March 07, 2013, 05:50:20 PM »
Can't wait it at work. I do remember him giving a speech to Anakin about the force, I just don't remember him saying "I'm technically you're father bro"
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« Reply #16447 on: March 07, 2013, 05:55:13 PM »
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« Reply #16448 on: March 07, 2013, 05:55:25 PM »
Can't wait it at work. I do remember him giving a speech to Anakin about the force, I just don't remember him saying "I'm technically you're father bro"

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PALPATINE: (continuing) Did you ever hear the tragedy of Darth Plagueis "the wise"?

ANAKIN: No.

PALPATINE: I thought not. It's not a story the Jedi would tell you. It's a Sith legend. Darth Plagueis was a Dark Lord of the Sith, so powerful and so wise he could use the Force to influence the midi-chlorians to create life ... He had such a knowledge of the dark side that he could even keep the ones he cared about from dying.

ANAKIN: He could actually save people from death?

PALPATINE: The dark side of the Force is a pathway to many abilities some consider to be unnatural.

ANAKIN: What happened to him?

PALPATINE: He became so powerful . . . the only thing he was afraid of was losing his power, which eventually, of course, he did. Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep. (smiles) Plagueis never saw it coming. It's ironic he could save others from death, but not himself.

Palpatine learned how to create life with the Force from his master. When he was talking about creating life with the Force he glances right at Anakin.
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« Reply #16449 on: March 07, 2013, 06:24:02 PM »
Yeah, and what if the Matrix was really a Matrix within a Matrix? It totally makes sense, breh.
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« Reply #16450 on: March 07, 2013, 06:54:56 PM »
we have a pic of sofia vergara shooting bullets out of her tits and yet you nerds cant stop your midicholorian talk SMH
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« Reply #16451 on: March 07, 2013, 06:59:33 PM »
dammit this is exactly the kind of nerd-fest i was trolling for but no-one has written quite enough in a single post for that TL;DR
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« Reply #16452 on: March 07, 2013, 07:07:16 PM »
we have a pic of sofia vergara shooting bullets out of her tits and yet you nerds cant stop your midicholorian talk SMH

Looks like a shop to me, I doubt those bullets are really coming out of her tits.
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« Reply #16453 on: March 08, 2013, 01:18:03 AM »
Here’s why those [midichlorians] shouldn’t trouble anyone:

Years after they were introduced as a plot device in TPM, some SW fans just cannot get over the little unseen critters called “midichlorians.” They can easily accept planets with a single environment and always have breathable air or ships that can go kaboom in huge balls of fire in space, but the concept of midichlorians sets them off into utter fanboy rage. They say it changed the Force and that ruins everything! I’ll never understand why some things, small things that don’t matter to 99% of most moviegoers, get under the skin of these fans.

Oh sure, some of them rethought their position after ROTS raised the possibility that the midichlorians were manipulated by the Sith to create Anakin. Well, then, that’s cool!

But others still hold on to their resentment all of these years, claiming the midis are symptomatic of what has become of SW since the prequels. (And yet they remain to try and ruin things for the rest of us.) The latest salvo opened when two of the executive producers on "Lost" tried to use fanboy (and their own) anti-midichlorian attitudes to avoid having to explain one of the central themes of the show. A writer on the reliably anti-PT i09 site responded with an essay that tried to say this was a lame excuse on the part of these guys but really spent the entire time beating up on the concept of midichlorians. Which you know is always an open invitation to come in and beat up on everything about the PT.

Well, here’s my take on why the i09 guy and the critics are way off.

1. The midichlorians do not change the Force

The Force is what it has always been. It’s still that mystical energy field that lets Jedi and Sith characters do all kinds of cool stuff mere mortals cannot. Not a thing that we’ve learned in TPM changes that. At least not on paper. As with a lot of other things about SW, fans had almost two decades to form in their own minds what concepts like the Force are supposed to be, and lo and behold, when new information is introduced, it blows that concept out of the water. Me, I had no concept at all. I didn’t care if the Force came from God or from carne asada burritos. It’s just what’s in the story. So when the midichlorians were introduced, I thought, “Well, that’s interesting.”

2. The midichlorians are not the Force

They’re not meant to explain the Force itself nor are they meant to be the Force itself, but to explain why if the Force flows through all living things, some have abilities with it that others do not. It’s also meant to explain Anakin’s potential and why he (along with his progeny) are so important to the story. As one fan put it, otherwise the Emperor may as well have spent his time worrying about Han Solo or Wedge’s growing skills as a pilot.

3. Midichlorians are not really scientific

A common complaint about the midis is that they introduce “science” into what is often perceived as a quasi-religious concept. After all, it’s the physical presence of living organisms in the body that act as intermediaries with the Force. Isn’t that like saying you have to have the right blood type to be touched by the Holy Spirit? Huh? Huh??

First of all, so what? Again this goes to fan concepts about SW that run headlong into what actually is in the movies. George Lucas never said, “The Force is just like the Holy Spirit and everything you learned in catchecism.” What he has said is that the midichlorians are meant to be a metaphor, part of a general theme about symbiosis that appears in TPM and throughout the prequel films. Much of the symbiosis in the films is spiritual and emotional in nature. Worth a whole ‘nuther essay, in fact.

4. The midichlorians were not unnecessary, clumsy retcon

There were a lot of different ways Lucas could have approached his story and he just happened to have chosen this one. Again, it was about the themes he wanted to explore in this trilogy. The midichlorian thing was a device. What would have been better? Anakin identified as the Chosen One because of a birthmark on his butt? Because he’s just better at being a Jedi than anyone else, without any explanation as to why? A radioactive spider bit him? The solar flares from Tatooine’s twin suns? Anakin was a symbiont with the Force, so his actions have a much greater effect than had it been any other character.

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« Reply #16454 on: March 08, 2013, 01:50:47 AM »
:rofl

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« Reply #16455 on: March 08, 2013, 02:06:55 AM »
chrono doing Cormac a solid by pasting a rant long enough for the gif.  What a mensch.

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« Reply #16456 on: March 08, 2013, 02:09:36 AM »
he's my alt
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« Reply #16457 on: March 08, 2013, 02:11:09 AM »
Here’s why those [midichlorians] shouldn’t trouble anyone:

Years after they were introduced as a plot device in TPM, some SW fans just cannot get over the little unseen critters called “midichlorians.” They can easily accept planets with a single environment and always have breathable air or ships that can go kaboom in huge balls of fire in space, but the concept of midichlorians sets them off into utter fanboy rage. They say it changed the Force and that ruins everything! I’ll never understand why some things, small things that don’t matter to 99% of most moviegoers, get under the skin of these fans.

Oh sure, some of them rethought their position after ROTS raised the possibility that the midichlorians were manipulated by the Sith to create Anakin. Well, then, that’s cool!

But others still hold on to their resentment all of these years, claiming the midis are symptomatic of what has become of SW since the prequels. (And yet they remain to try and ruin things for the rest of us.) The latest salvo opened when two of the executive producers on "Lost" tried to use fanboy (and their own) anti-midichlorian attitudes to avoid having to explain one of the central themes of the show. A writer on the reliably anti-PT i09 site responded with an essay that tried to say this was a lame excuse on the part of these guys but really spent the entire time beating up on the concept of midichlorians. Which you know is always an open invitation to come in and beat up on everything about the PT.

Well, here’s my take on why the i09 guy and the critics are way off.

1. The midichlorians do not change the Force

The Force is what it has always been. It’s still that mystical energy field that lets Jedi and Sith characters do all kinds of cool stuff mere mortals cannot. Not a thing that we’ve learned in TPM changes that. At least not on paper. As with a lot of other things about SW, fans had almost two decades to form in their own minds what concepts like the Force are supposed to be, and lo and behold, when new information is introduced, it blows that concept out of the water. Me, I had no concept at all. I didn’t care if the Force came from God or from carne asada burritos. It’s just what’s in the story. So when the midichlorians were introduced, I thought, “Well, that’s interesting.”

2. The midichlorians are not the Force

They’re not meant to explain the Force itself nor are they meant to be the Force itself, but to explain why if the Force flows through all living things, some have abilities with it that others do not. It’s also meant to explain Anakin’s potential and why he (along with his progeny) are so important to the story. As one fan put it, otherwise the Emperor may as well have spent his time worrying about Han Solo or Wedge’s growing skills as a pilot.

3. Midichlorians are not really scientific

A common complaint about the midis is that they introduce “science” into what is often perceived as a quasi-religious concept. After all, it’s the physical presence of living organisms in the body that act as intermediaries with the Force. Isn’t that like saying you have to have the right blood type to be touched by the Holy Spirit? Huh? Huh??

First of all, so what? Again this goes to fan concepts about SW that run headlong into what actually is in the movies. George Lucas never said, “The Force is just like the Holy Spirit and everything you learned in catchecism.” What he has said is that the midichlorians are meant to be a metaphor, part of a general theme about symbiosis that appears in TPM and throughout the prequel films. Much of the symbiosis in the films is spiritual and emotional in nature. Worth a whole ‘nuther essay, in fact.

4. The midichlorians were not unnecessary, clumsy retcon

There were a lot of different ways Lucas could have approached his story and he just happened to have chosen this one. Again, it was about the themes he wanted to explore in this trilogy. The midichlorian thing was a device. What would have been better? Anakin identified as the Chosen One because of a birthmark on his butt? Because he’s just better at being a Jedi than anyone else, without any explanation as to why? A radioactive spider bit him? The solar flares from Tatooine’s twin suns? Anakin was a symbiont with the Force, so his actions have a much greater effect than had it been any other character.

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« Reply #16458 on: March 08, 2013, 02:14:25 AM »
Isn't Palpatine creating a really powerful Jedi in the hopes that he'll turn him bad ~20 years down the road the most convoluted, abstruse plan?  Also he already had another Sith helper at that point and there can only be two (like a double Highlander sort of deal)?

"Well, just in case this one dies, I'd better create a new really powerful Jedi to replace him.  Hopefully I'll be able to manipulate this one, though, cause otherwise I'd be creating a Messiah-level Force user who will be trained from childhood by my enemies.  Eh, I'll work the kinks out later."

It's almost like this wasn't all meticulously planned from the beginning by a thoughtful, skilled author!

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« Reply #16459 on: March 08, 2013, 02:16:01 AM »
midichlorian white knights, i don't know anymore.
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« Reply #16460 on: March 08, 2013, 02:17:08 AM »
well, that's why he got got Mandark
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« Reply #16461 on: March 08, 2013, 02:18:41 AM »
This is all probably just leading up to another retcon into the original movies, where Palpatine says "Luke, I am your pop-pop!"

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« Reply #16462 on: March 08, 2013, 02:19:13 AM »
Isn't Palpatine creating a really powerful Jedi in the hopes that he'll turn him bad ~20 years down the road the most convoluted, abstruse plan?  Also he already had another Sith helper at that point and there can only be two (like a double Highlander sort of deal)?

"Well, just in case this one dies, I'd better create a new really powerful Jedi to replace him.  Hopefully I'll be able to manipulate this one, though, cause otherwise I'd be creating a Messiah-level Force user who will be trained from childhood by my enemies.  Eh, I'll work the kinks out later."

It's almost like this wasn't all meticulously planned from the beginning by a thoughtful, skilled author!

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« Reply #16463 on: March 08, 2013, 02:43:27 AM »
Obama is Anakin

Bin Laden is Palpatine

Melanin is Midichlorians

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« Reply #16464 on: March 08, 2013, 03:00:23 AM »
Bill Ayers: Saul Alinsky was a powerful Chicagoan. He was so powerful and wise he could retroactively change baby birth announcements in newspapers to create...US citizenship.
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« Reply #16465 on: March 08, 2013, 03:07:39 AM »
But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

Anakin's mom in Ep1 said that there was no father and Qui-Gon told the Jedi council that he was conceived by the Force. Episode III explained that Palpatine manipulated the Force to create him.

Ahahahahhaha
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« Reply #16466 on: March 08, 2013, 03:09:59 AM »
I guess that means that Luke can do the same, start a whole Force-breeding Jedi franchise

YOU CAN HAVE THAT ONE FOR FREE DISNEY
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« Reply #16467 on: March 08, 2013, 08:59:11 AM »
chrono doing Cormac a solid by pasting a rant long enough for the gif.  What a mensch.

:lol
I literally googled "lengthy midichlorian essay," and this was the first hit. The true irony is that I haven't read the essay either. Like Himu, I just needed something big in a hurry.

The secondary irony is that the GIF has exceeded its bandwidth.

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« Reply #16468 on: March 08, 2013, 09:09:19 AM »
that was pretty awesome google fu but the killer combo would probably have been 'midichlorian rant' and 'tl;dr'
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« Reply #16469 on: March 09, 2013, 12:15:04 PM »
I guess that means that Luke can do the same, start a whole Force-breeding Jedi franchise

YOU CAN HAVE THAT ONE FOR FREE DISNEY
Cant have Luke going around force raping in a Disney movie

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« Reply #16470 on: March 09, 2013, 12:25:31 PM »
chrono doing Cormac a solid by pasting a rant long enough for the gif.  What a mensch.

:lol
I literally googled "lengthy midichlorian essay," and this was the first hit. The true irony is that I haven't read the essay either. Like Himu, I just needed something big in a hurry.

The secondary irony is that the GIF has exceeded its bandwidth.

 :lol
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« Reply #16471 on: March 09, 2013, 12:32:12 PM »
This is all probably just leading up to another retcon into the original movies, where Palpatine says "Luke, I am your pop-pop!"

I mean... Technically... yeah, he is.

But didn't Anakin have all the midicholorians and shit before he ever met Palpatine? Or is the hot new theory that Palpatine used the force to get Anakin's mom preggers?

What theory?  This is explicitly what happened. 

In the novelization Palps just comes out and says it.  I guess they either cut that scene from the finished product or they cut it from the script before they filmed it... honestly it's better for Palps to do it the way he does it in RotS, in the opera house... the audience knows, Anakin doesn't, and as far as we know, as Vader, he never learned the truth.  It seems kind of fitting for the entire purpose of his existence is to be the Emperor's patsy.

Do I like this particular plot element?  Well, yes and no.  By that I mean that of the two options, I'd rather Anakin be a Sith alchemy experiment than simply be Space Jesus; it fixes one of the more annoying plot elements mentioned in The Phantom Menace.  It does create a shit-ton of illogical, unanswerable questions, though. 

Sure, I have no problem thinking that someone with the resources and force powers of Palpatine could have abducted Shmi and done... well whatever it is he would need to do, probably a lot of glaring and waving his hands and cackling was involved... buuuut. 

On a more fundamental level, well, creation isn't really the Dark Side's thing.  In the lore / EU, they do all sorts of mutations and abominations... and yeah, Palpatine is pretty obsessed with cloning, especially himself, and thus having a version of himself ruling forever.  In a sense, Anakin's unnaturally high power level is just that, though, unnatural.  A non-force sensitive slave girl is not just going to spontaneously have the universe's alpha force user. 

Mandark hit on why this DOESN"T logically work very well, too.  It's not good writing for the intended Xanatos Gambit to work just because it has to, for it to thematically fit and for the audience to dig it, it actually needs to be clever and fit the details given so far.

 Creating the kid using some nobody slave with the name Skywalker on some nowhere backwoods planet where the Jedi would never find him?  Sure, makes sense.  Leaving him with his mother unattended, let alone leaving her alive to tell other people, without creating your own little hidden enclave under the middle of the Dune Sea, or hell, taking him to some nowhere planet in the Unknown Region where there would be zero chance of a random Jedi wandering around to buy some parts, in order to train this little monster of yours from birth to be a badass Sith death machine?  Why, it bottles the mind.

At best, we can only regard Palpatine's plan as to just leave the kid out there as insurance or maybe he planned to scoop him up later when he finally manifested force powers.  Seems pretty lazy as plans go, and Tatooine's a dangerous place.  The kid had a fucking bomb collar on him at all times for crying out loud.  Wait too long for some minor dark-side fueled teenage rebellion and the Hutts make him go boom.  The only way this works is if Palpatine's ability to predict the future was so ironclad perfect that he knew in advance exactly what would happen all the time.

In which case, Return of the Jedi no longer makes sense.  Or hell, Revenge of the Sith.  Having his super-apprentice get turned into swiss cheese was obviously not part of the plan.

It's been a while since I've seen Episode III, but I thought the whole bit with Darth Plagueis was to tell Anakin that Palpatine could give him power over life and death if he turned Sith, that he could keep Padme from dying. Lucas isn't exactly a master of subtlety; I think if he had intended for Palpatine to be Anakin's dad, he would have just said it. Remember when Luke found out who his father was? Yeah. It wasn't some super-secret, read between the lines moment.
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« Reply #16472 on: March 09, 2013, 02:19:05 PM »
Isn't Palpatine creating a really powerful Jedi in the hopes that he'll turn him bad ~20 years down the road the most convoluted, abstruse plan?  Also he already had another Sith helper at that point and there can only be two (like a double Highlander sort of deal)?

"Well, just in case this one dies, I'd better create a new really powerful Jedi to replace him.  Hopefully I'll be able to manipulate this one, though, cause otherwise I'd be creating a Messiah-level Force user who will be trained from childhood by my enemies.  Eh, I'll work the kinks out later."

It's almost like this wasn't all meticulously planned from the beginning by a thoughtful, skilled author!

Yea, this shit is distinguished mentally-challenged. Palpatine took no role in Anakin getting discovered by anyone, and you'd think he'd just go claim him himself before he was too old to be trained.

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« Reply #16473 on: March 09, 2013, 02:33:41 PM »
The fuck is this shit
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« Reply #16474 on: March 09, 2013, 02:50:12 PM »
Let's let JJ cleanse the palette

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« Reply #16475 on: March 09, 2013, 03:56:48 PM »
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« Reply #16476 on: March 09, 2013, 04:20:02 PM »
The whole thing about Anakin's parentage is so stupid, illogical, and convoluted, nevermind that it's incredibly underdeveloped for what is [if true] a central pillar of a six-movie series. If Palpatine is the father of Anakin and the grandfather of Luke, and the mastermind of every single event across six movies, then that definitely deserves more mention than a single line that was simultaneously focused on a separate matter [Anakin's desire to keep Padme from dying].

Never mind that this power is never once mentioned anywhere else across six movies. It's not suggested, it's not hinted at, it's not mentioned, it's not explicitly stated. We all know by know that George Lucas [and Star Wars] doesn't have an ounce of subtlety. Nor is this power ever explicitly shown even a single time in six movies. We never see the power being used to create life, we never even see it being used to save someone's life. The only reason we know the power exists is because it was told to us [and Anakin] by a master manipulator whose whole stick is to lie and deceive everyone he comes into contact with. For all we know, that whole thing was another Palpatine lie to bring Anakin further under his control and that Anakin actually had a really ordinary father that his mother didn't want to talk about. And please don't bring the Expanded Universe into this.

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For whatever reason - I'm going to guess on the advice of others - he either didn't film or edited out the scene he wrote in which Sidious directly confesses to Anakin that he made him.

This idea is hopelessly absurd. We know by now that the contents of the PT were fully under the control of Lucas and nothing happened that he didn't sign off on. Who, exactly, convinced him not to use that scene? Who stepped forward, for the one and only time, to say "No." to the billionaire who created this franchise, owns it completely and utterly, who produce/directed/wrote this turkey and owns the production company and special effects house? No one, because that person doesn't exist. If he wanted that scene in there, it'd be in there, and I honestly can't think of a single person who could have convinced him to cut it [maybe Spielberg lol], not in light of all the incredibly awful stuff that Lucas pushed through across three movies.
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« Reply #16477 on: March 09, 2013, 04:50:33 PM »
someone change this thread title to "The Midichlorian News Topic"
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« Reply #16478 on: March 09, 2013, 08:11:30 PM »
My work here is done
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« Reply #16479 on: March 09, 2013, 08:12:38 PM »
And this is why Star Wars movies should have stayed dead. I guess they were always going to get made regardless.

To be fair, JJ can make a great sci-fi film. It's just that the studio doesn't want traditional trek. JJ's Trek is practically Star Wars anyways.

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« Reply #16480 on: March 09, 2013, 08:31:08 PM »
I liked the midichlorian thing because it made Star Wars, which I was never really into, seem a bit more reminiscent of the 70s/80s/90s fantasy books I used to read which would often have elaborately conceived magic systems involving thinly veiled analogs of whatever scientific concepts were making the pop science / New Age rounds at the time.
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« Reply #16481 on: March 09, 2013, 09:47:41 PM »
This next few years are gonna be awful

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« Reply #16482 on: March 10, 2013, 09:18:11 AM »
Let's let JJ cleanse the palette


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« Reply #16483 on: March 10, 2013, 09:38:50 AM »
And this is why Star Wars movies should have stayed dead. I guess they were always going to get made regardless.

To be fair, JJ can make a great sci-fi film. It's just that the studio doesn't want traditional trek. JJ's Trek is practically Star Wars anyways.

I wasn't talking about the Star Trek trailer, just this whole discussion in general. As for JJ, I love Super 8 but dislike everything else completely. I really liked Cloverfield too but he only produced that. Fuck Lost, Alias and everything else.

Welllll, you are going in with the assumption that the director does the entire film! While the director is definitely a crucial staff member of the production, they clearly have a talented team under their belt that could make it work! JJ is great when confined to a box (ie. Super 8) or has supervision.

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« Reply #16484 on: March 10, 2013, 12:38:03 PM »
Welllll, you are going in with the assumption that the director does the entire film! While the director is definitely a crucial staff member of the production, they clearly have a talented team under their belt that could make it work! JJ is great when confined to a box (ie. Super 8) or has supervision.

Except it's written by Orci, Kurtzman, and Lindelof, three of my least favorite writers in Hollywood. But I'll end up watching it anyway, because whatever.
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Re: The Movie News Topic
« Reply #16485 on: March 10, 2013, 01:18:40 PM »
I thought they got Bird?

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« Reply #16486 on: March 10, 2013, 02:32:42 PM »
I thought they got Bird?

Michael Arndt is writing Episode 7, I was talking about the new Star Trek.
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« Reply #16487 on: March 10, 2013, 02:50:33 PM »
Let's let JJ cleanse the palette


Yes, in JJ we trust.

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« Reply #16488 on: March 10, 2013, 03:00:00 PM »
I thought they got Bird?

Michael Arndt is writing Episode 7, I was talking about the new Star Trek.

Oh! I am losing track of the discussion! You guys move too fast!

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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16489 on: March 11, 2013, 08:50:46 AM »
Room 237
Starts out as good.  Talks about the visual trickery and subtext that Kubrick liked to use including a lot of stuff from that spatial awareness video on The Shining that's on youtube.  But then it really starts reaching and goes full on conspiracy theory.  Then the movie just became reminiscent of douchebag college fodder like What the bleep do we know? type shit.

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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16490 on: March 11, 2013, 02:15:28 PM »
Skyfall  :gladbron

Wreck it Ralph  :ehh

Dredd  :whoo

MacGruber  :trash
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16491 on: March 11, 2013, 02:58:36 PM »
I like your review style

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« Reply #16492 on: March 11, 2013, 06:00:14 PM »
I really want to see Life of Pi, but the fact that Ang Lee directs it just worries me about his Asian influences on the Asian influences of the book, and I really fucking hope that there's at least a bit of Kung fu.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16493 on: March 11, 2013, 06:05:27 PM »
I really want to see Life of Pi, but the fact that Ang Lee directs it just worries me about his Asian influences on the Asian influences of the book, and I really fucking hope that there's at least a bit of Kung fu.

The entire story is actually an allegory for the invention of the Tiger Fist fighting style.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16494 on: March 11, 2013, 07:26:05 PM »
Disney's Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland Kind of Based on Lewis Carroll, But Not Really: Visually wonderful, except for Crispin Glover's poorly weighted humanoid animation. The lead actress is charming. I'm discovering that I don't like movies which have BOTH Helena Bonham Carter AND Johnny Depp in them. Everything else is poorly paced mess. Movie is almost worth watching for the Jabberwocky's few lines of dialog.

Source Code: This reminded me quite a bit of 12 Monkeys, but slightly less completely dark in its outlook. I like Jake Glylleenlylyhal, I think. He's quite watchable. His character, Colter's progression from beginning to end is natural and believable. The villain looked quite a bit like a good friend, who is also something of a mad genius, so that was... uncomfortable.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the villain in Source Code looks a lot like Sho Nuff, who is also very smart, so I've reported both him and 17-Bit Studios to the DHS.

Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines: Aside from the T-X inexplicably being able to create remote control functionality in police cars and fire engines, I liked this movie quite a bit. It is at least true to The Terminator and T2, unlike Terminator 4, which was just utter crap.  I liked Nick Stahl in Carnivâle, but he appears to be playing more or less the same character here. Claire Danes does alright, and I've always thought Arnie is at his best when playing an emotionless machine with a faulty speech processor. Fantastic ending to the film. For me, I should probably consider it the end of the series.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16495 on: March 12, 2013, 03:37:35 AM »
I really want to see Life of Pi, but the fact that Ang Lee directs it just worries me about his Asian influences on the Asian influences of the book, and I really fucking hope that there's at least a bit of Kung fu.

The entire story is actually an allegory for the invention of the Tiger Fist fighting style.
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Re: The new and improved "Movies you've seen recently" thread
« Reply #16496 on: March 12, 2013, 05:47:57 AM »
Disney's Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland Kind of Based on Lewis Carroll, But Not Really: Visually wonderful, except for Crispin Glover's poorly weighted humanoid animation. The lead actress is charming. I'm discovering that I don't like movies which have BOTH Helena Bonham Carter AND Johnny Depp in them. Everything else is poorly paced mess. Movie is almost worth watching for the Jabberwocky's few lines of dialog.

Carter, Bonham and Depp are stuck making the same movie over and over for a long long time. I can't make myself watch anything from them anymore although I loved all of them in their time.

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« Reply #16497 on: March 12, 2013, 06:11:38 AM »
So you're saying Helena has MPD...

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« Reply #16498 on: March 12, 2013, 07:36:05 AM »
Fuck I mean Burton  :lol

It's all the same person anyway!

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« Reply #16499 on: March 12, 2013, 08:20:46 AM »
They are the Cerberus of manic-pixie filmmaking.