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« Reply #28380 on: November 17, 2017, 02:08:31 AM »
Ended up watching It Comes at Night for tonight. Really nice cinematography and good directing. Music was good too. Overall I liked it, but sad movie  :'(
Could've done without the dream sequences though. Movie is not a horror film, but it's like they tried to put horror dream sequences in which just feel a bit jump scare out of place for a non-horror film.

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« Reply #28381 on: November 17, 2017, 02:16:42 AM »
Watching this again. It’s pretty much moving up the ranks as a favorite. It’s a masterpiece.

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« Reply #28382 on: November 17, 2017, 02:41:17 AM »
Rear Window - Almost got me, I'll say that much without spoiling.  :lol Great film
Its hard to pick a 'best' Hitchcock film, but Rear Window is a pretty solid choice. Its just so friggin well made. That ending is just brilliant. I'm so jealous that you get to see these all for the first time.
Ended up watching It Comes at Night for tonight. Really nice cinematography and good directing. Music was good too. Overall I liked it, but sad movie  :'(
Could've done without the dream sequences though. Movie is not a horror film, but it's like they tried to put horror dream sequences in which just feel a bit jump scare out of place for a non-horror film.
I was very glad to have those sorta-cheesy interludes, it was actually a respite from the gut-clenching tension level the rest of the film engenders. When actual nightmares intrude into the story, its an odd relief from the waking one all those relatable and very human characters have to live through.

Loved that movie, but holy shit, not surprised in the least it laid an egg, financially.
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« Reply #28383 on: November 17, 2017, 03:07:03 AM »
Actually after reading a couple of interviews with the director, I get what the point of the dream sequences were and am more ok with them. It was also neat reading about the aspect ratio changes. I noticed that at some point while watching and was like "damn, this is a really narrow aspect ratio but it looks great!"

Also I completely get the decisions on what to explain and unexplained, but one thing bugged me and googling, it's surprisingly not what bugs most people:

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Most threads I found are considered about what is the disease, what happened to the world, what's out in the woods, are there zombies, etc...
Since I really don't like zombie movies, I don't care about any of that.

What bugged me was that it was pretty clear to me that the guy the main family picks up Will, was lying. The part where their ambushed on the way to meet Will's family added a lot of questions. Like Will saying he didn't see anyone the whole way to the main family's house and I thought it was clear Will knew the guy they killed when he shouted No, plus he was on him punching him more like in a way to pretend rather than just killing him. Then later on the main guy catches Will in a lie about his brother who he said was with him prior to the start of the story but died and later he says he was an only child.

All that stuff just seemed obvious that Will was lying and there was something more going on. I get the point was to create paranoia with the main family, but ehhhh leaving that completely unresolved on who Will was bothered me. Everything else I was fine with.

I just assumed the most likely situation was that Will and his family were part of a larger group and Will went ahead to scout/steal and got caught.
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« Reply #28384 on: November 17, 2017, 04:59:59 AM »
Loved that movie, but holy shit, not surprised in the least it laid an egg, financially.

How can a movie like It Comes at Night bomb though? My brother works for one of the smaller but well known indie horror directors (you'd know their movies) and is involved in all the financials and if you keep your budget low enough, the streaming/VoD sales should basically be enough (although getting 100k or something for the domestic film writes sure helps). It Comes at Night doesn't really strike me as having had a big or even medium budget. There's only a couple of special effect shots and locations. Like I've seen indie horror films made on a budget of <$30,000-$350,000 and this seems like it'd be closer to that lower point.

Also seems like a movie that will do ok on VoD/streaming because there was a lot of internet talk about it this year, which is how I found out about it. It seemed like the most hyped/talked about indie horror film since It Follows in terms of forum talk.

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« Reply #28385 on: November 17, 2017, 05:12:44 AM »
It cost 2,4m$ according to Wiki.
You can make films for the prices you mention but it takes a lot of efforts on everyone's part if you're pushing your envelope to make something that look professional. Paying decent base salaries, having decent catering and accommodations, renting equipment at a fairer price to suppliers (rather than getting it for free or virtually free), paying the real price of VFX, or shooting over a more standard schedule rather than rushing in commando to wrap up in a week can all separately push a budget up very quickly.

Indie budgeting is completely distorted IMHO.

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Edit : plus Joel Edgerton is not a complete nobody either.
But yeah even at that budget the film should have a easy time not being a bomb even if it has "moderate" success overseas
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« Reply #28386 on: November 17, 2017, 05:28:17 AM »
It cost 2,4m$ according to Wiki.
You can make films for the prices you mention but it takes a lot of efforts on everyone's part if you're pushing your envelope to make something that look professional. Paying decent base salaries, having decent catering and accommodations, renting equipment at a fairer price to suppliers (rather than getting it for free or virtually free), paying the real price of VFX, or shooting over a more standard schedule and rushing in commando to wrap up in a week can all separately push a budget up very quickly.

Indie budgeting is completely distorted IMHO.

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Edit : plus Joel Edgerton is not a complete nobody either.
But yeah even at that budget the film should have a easy time not being a bomb even if it has "moderate" success overseas

Hmmm, I looked up the couple of films from the guy I know to see how accurate wiki is. Seems about right and yeah, budgeting can certainly range. The guy I know's first film was ~100k budget, second film was 3 million budget (I thought it was $350,000 for some reason), third film isn't listed but iirc it was like $80,000 because the 3 million budget one lost money so the concept was going back to as cheap as possible for maximum profit.

To be fair the 3 million budget one had a shitton of CG effects and name actors. Still kinda surprised about the 2.4 million for It comes at Night just considering that there's really almost no special effects and only like 1 set and a handful of actors/actresses. I mean it looked really nice, so maybe they spent a lot on the stuff relating to the actual filming/cinematography.
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« Reply #28387 on: November 17, 2017, 06:45:52 AM »
Putting a film in wide release itself is not an inconsiderable cost. There's the cost of the manufacturing/shipping the 'film' (hard drives), and minimum advertising gurantees to hit so a few thousand theaters agree to take your film(advertising costs can be shockingly high). And of course, revenue is shared with the theaters and streaming platforms, and overseas earnings may be muddled (very often territory rights are sold for a flat fee or some sort of revenue sharing)

For a lower budget film like this one, the costs of releasing it were almost certainly higher than its cost of production. It probably didn't lose money, probably. But I'm just a lay observer, and Hollywood accounting is purposely obtuse, so who's to say?

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« Reply #28388 on: November 17, 2017, 08:03:58 AM »
If you liked It Comes At Night then I highly recommend Krisha.  It's from the same writer and director.  A horrific family drama is the best way I can think to describe it... even more frightening as it's probably relatable to a lot of people.  It definitely was for me.

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« Reply #28389 on: November 17, 2017, 10:19:08 AM »
Catching Justice League tonight. Pray 4 Me.
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« Reply #28390 on: November 17, 2017, 02:40:22 PM »
Been waiting on this movie almost my whole life

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« Reply #28392 on: November 17, 2017, 03:31:42 PM »
Watched King Arthur Legend of the Sword

I know this got terrible reviews but since guy ritchie directed, I thought I might like this one.

I was wrong...Oh so wrong.

It's horrible. It's Conor Mcgregor basically as King Arthur and its as dumb as that sounds. There is not one clever thing in this movie. The action scenes are a mix of the stuff everybody got immediately sick of after 300 and every video game fighting cutscene ever. It was hard to make it through the movie.

There is nothing wrong with sort of taking a less elevated approach to King Arthur material and placing it in a less stuffy environment. But this movie is not how you do it in any way whatsoever.

Never watch this movie.

Watch Man from Uncle instead and don't waste your evening.

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« Reply #28393 on: November 17, 2017, 03:46:15 PM »
When was the last time a good King Arthur movie got made? The 80's?
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« Reply #28394 on: November 17, 2017, 03:53:35 PM »
Been waiting on this movie almost my whole life



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« Reply #28395 on: November 17, 2017, 04:06:19 PM »
The Rock really needs to start picking better movies.
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« Reply #28396 on: November 17, 2017, 04:41:22 PM »
I think Jumanji looks good.

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« Reply #28397 on: November 17, 2017, 04:48:32 PM »
Yea, but even that one was flawed.

Hollywood just needs to leave some of these old properties in the past. King Arthur, Robin Hood, Flash Gordon, the Universal Monsters. There's just no meat left on the bone to tell them in a different way that makes it feel fresh or relevant.

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« Reply #28398 on: November 17, 2017, 04:53:25 PM »
I'm not a king arthur guy but I love excalibur. I think it works as a film.

I think any thing can work as a film. Look at LOTR. That could easily be a disaster in the wrong hands. It just takes more effort for some than others.

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« Reply #28399 on: November 17, 2017, 05:04:16 PM »
Yea, but even that one was flawed.

Hollywood just needs to leave some of these old properties in the past. King Arthur, Robin Hood, Flash Gordon, the Universal Monsters. There's just no meat left on the bone to tell them in a different way that makes it feel fresh or relevant.

There’s plenty of meat on the Flesh Gordon bone.
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« Reply #28400 on: November 17, 2017, 05:17:39 PM »
Imagine Guy Ritchie taking on Christs crucifixion. Those franetic quick cuts of lashes and angry Jew faces.
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« Reply #28401 on: November 17, 2017, 05:21:25 PM »
Imagine Guy Ritchie taking on Christs crucifixion. Those franetic quick cuts of lashes and angry Jew faces.

The thing is the Arthur movie starts off very traditional and doesn't have any of that stuff for maybe the first 5 or 10 minutes. I was kinda like what's the point of getting ritchie if he isn't going to do ritchie stuff.

Then all the guy ritchie stuff starts happening after that...

I like that shit if the movie is good. But if the movie is bad, its annoying as fuck.

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« Reply #28402 on: November 17, 2017, 05:35:51 PM »

There’s plenty of meat on the Flesh Gordon bone.

Maybe. I just think that most characters/stories written in that era are too one-dimensional to ever really be compelling. When a director takes them on, they handcuff themselves needlessly. I'd much rather watch a movie "inspired by" Flash Gordon, then a Flash Gordon movie.

The Fifth Element is a great example of this. It's a movie "inspired by" Star Wars (and Valarian), but it's not beholden to a fanbase or "canon" of it. So, it can go in a bunch of different directions and become it's own thing.


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LOTR is an outlier and it was also a prime property to "do right". Since no one had ever gotten it right before and was still in the cultural zeitgeist of those people in the 18-34 range.

For every LOTR there are a dozen (or more) of movies like Ben Hur, Lone Ranger, Robin Hood, Oz, War of the Worlds, etc.

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« Reply #28403 on: November 17, 2017, 05:38:40 PM »
4/20 b18zeit  :teehee

The Rock really needs to start picking better movies.

Come on, where's The Rundown 2? I know Seann William Scott could use the work.
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« Reply #28404 on: November 17, 2017, 05:41:25 PM »
But what does getting it right mean other than actually making a really good movie.

I guess I would agree with you if all these other franchises were making smashingly good movies that were bombing despite that.

They seem to be just sticking these franchise labels on shit formula movies and then wondering why they aren't selling. Yeah its probably harder to make a really great King Arthur movie that appeals to the masses as opposed to the Transformers which shitheads will go see no matter the quality but that's also the burden of those things.

I think if somebody made King Arthur with the craft of LOTR, I think it would do well. But maybe I'm wrong.
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« Reply #28405 on: November 17, 2017, 05:53:38 PM »
If they just wanted to make a giant monster movie, why specifically obtain the rampage licence  ???

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« Reply #28406 on: November 17, 2017, 06:02:45 PM »
I think The Rock's standard contract has in it: 1) Must show off my giant tattoo  2) Must pilot a helicopter.


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« Reply #28407 on: November 17, 2017, 06:32:27 PM »
Are you familiar with Genetic Editing?


Also Jeffrey Dean Morgan is apparently just going to play variations on Negan for the rest of his life.
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« Reply #28408 on: November 17, 2017, 10:04:50 PM »
Came out of Justice League entertained. Some cool set pieces, and the pacing didnt shit the bed like some of those ensemble Marvel films. The time actually breezed by.

With that said, holy shit was the main villian plain white toast as fuck. Even his design felt uninspired, straight down to the way the dialog was delivered. Also his army... goggled insect paratroopers. I know we got a glimpse of them in BvS but they looked absolutely cartoonish in the worst way.

Its too bad this franchise is going to shit its spandex. I saw  moments where the team aspect felt more cohesive and genuine than what I've seen in the Avengers. Its just carrying way too much baggage and doesn't have enough talent behind it to really elevate the characters to where they could be.
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« Reply #28409 on: November 17, 2017, 10:05:58 PM »
There was one in the mid 2000's that nobody remembers for good reason. I only remember it because my youngest brother loved the crappy license game on the PS2.
Directed by Antoine Fuqua, who claimed it was more historically accurate than every other Arthurian legend.
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The film is unusual in reinterpreting Arthur as a Roman officer rather than a medieval knight. Despite these departures from the source material, the Welsh Mabinogion, the producers of the film attempted to market it as a more historically accurate version of the Arthurian legends, supposedly inspired by new archaeological findings.

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Keira Knightley's breasts were enlarged for the US theatrical film poster. This practice angered Knightley, who says that it "comes from market research that clearly shows that other women refuse to look at famous actresses and stars with small breasts."

It apparently made $200+ million at the box office in 2004. Versus the $150 million Guy Ritchies made this year. So they probably should have put more boobs on the new films poster.

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« Reply #28410 on: November 17, 2017, 10:28:11 PM »
Everytime he does pick something that sounds decent, or has decent talent behind it he puts it on like a 6 year back burn waiting list and fast tracks this garbage. He was supposed to do Doc Savage with Shane Black and iirc even announced it/met with black but he'll probably get to it once he's burnt through all good will with movie goers by 2023

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« Reply #28411 on: November 17, 2017, 11:03:15 PM »
I actually saw that movie in a theater.  :-\
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« Reply #28412 on: November 17, 2017, 11:19:17 PM »
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« Reply #28413 on: November 18, 2017, 12:04:03 AM »
I still have no idea why I wasted so many quarters on Rampage, it was some repetitive bullshit. Like a modern day smart phone game.
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« Reply #28414 on: November 18, 2017, 02:19:28 AM »
VomKriege, in retrospect I owe you royalties for my too-similar take on The Square. You put the nail in it and did so well before I did.

A lot of thrillers, even very good ones, are better at the table setting than they are at delivering the goods. Few are ever as good as The Killing of a Sacred Deer in that respect. So much is just... off. Before everything goes all to hell its uncomfortably tense and pleasingly mysterious. Its weird, its abrasive, its got a great and just discordant enough score, its extremely well acted which is doubly impressive for just how strange so much of it is. Its also a highly effective thriller, but I much prefer its first half, which arranges all its pieces so expertly I was willing to follow this film no matter where it went. I was still surprised, and for a guy who sees as many films as I do, shock is a difficult to aquire property. But I would have traded a little of that for some stronger fundamentals. Still pretty dang good tho.

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« Reply #28415 on: November 18, 2017, 06:31:29 AM »
Haven't seen the Killing of a sacred deer but a lot of what I read here remind me of what I thought of Dogtooth. I really need to get to see The Lobster too...

Also interested in the new film of the director of Oslo, August 31 if someone saw it.

You're too kind with regards to The Square. I didn't touch too much on the protagonist being the prototypical urbanites "hipster" elite. Glad we're several of having seen it now.
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« Reply #28416 on: November 18, 2017, 02:10:13 PM »
Watched Black Rain this morning, loved it. One of the few Ridley Scott movies I haven't watched in forever and could only vaguely recall.

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« Reply #28417 on: November 18, 2017, 09:09:20 PM »
Justice League:

It goes without saying that this doesn't hold a candle to Marvel's movies and Thor Ragnarok just shits all over this in pretty much every way, but that aside, I kind of liked this movie.  I don't think that they should have made this without first having made individual Flash, Aquaman, and Cyborg origin movies, and their introductions felt rushed, but the team worked pretty well together on-screen and there was some good chemistry.  I liked Aquaman a lot, even if he did come off as a kind of Thor-lite at times and really didn't do very much.  Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman was easily the best "superhero" in this movie and stole the show, IMO.  She really does such a good job with this role-- Marvel movies need a female role as good as hers badly.  Black Widow just doesn't cut it at all.  The way Superman coming back (OMG SPOILERS) was handled just made me think of DBZ, as the rest of the cast was getting their ass kicked, waiting for "Goku" to show up and save them.

The worst part of this movie was the CG.  Steppenwolf was actually OK to me, but Cyborg just looked bad.  Way too fake and "cartoony" compared to everything else.

If you watch this, there are two bonus scenes during the credits.  One in the beginning and one at the very end.  The latter sets up for the sequel.

Watched Black Rain this morning, loved it. One of the few Ridley Scott movies I haven't watched in forever and could only vaguely recall.

Something I didn't know about this movie until recently is that Ridley Scott had problems filming in Japan and ended up leaving the country.  The movie's last scene was filmed in California.  He said he'd never go back to make another movie there ever again.
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« Reply #28418 on: November 18, 2017, 09:22:01 PM »
http://deadline.com/2017/11/justice-league-opening-weekend-box-office-lower-thor-ragnarok-wonder-the-star-1202211094/

First DCEU movie to open <$100 mil.

And it's fucking "Justice League."

It feels in poor taste to kick Zack Snyder right now, but all I'll say is I fucking saw all this coming when Nolan was "godfathering" Man of Steel and Warner Bros. chose the worst director they possibly could have to spearhead their cinematic universe.

"But an opening that’s 44% lower than Batman v. Superman‘s $166M opening? Ouch."



Vindicated.

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« Reply #28419 on: November 18, 2017, 09:25:45 PM »
All my friends are gushing over JL, buuut they liked Alien Covenant so I'm guessing JL is worst than the awful reviews let on, gonna wait for the HD rip  :yeshrug
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« Reply #28420 on: November 18, 2017, 09:26:36 PM »
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« Reply #28421 on: November 18, 2017, 09:47:27 PM »
Never made any sense to me why they put everything they had on Zack Snyder's shoulders, especially given that his track record post-300 has been really meh at best. Don't blame Nolan at all for cashing his producer check and not looking back.
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« Reply #28422 on: November 18, 2017, 10:34:48 PM »
I'm still going to go watch this shit Wednesday :goldberg

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« Reply #28423 on: November 18, 2017, 11:26:44 PM »
Watched Black Rain this morning, loved it. One of the few Ridley Scott movies I haven't watched in forever and could only vaguely recall.
I remember watching it in theaters, enjoying the vibe. Later I moved to Japan and started recognizing some locations, then realized it had been shot in Osaka, not Tokyo.

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« Reply #28424 on: November 19, 2017, 03:36:50 PM »
North By Northwest was great

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« Reply #28425 on: November 19, 2017, 03:49:07 PM »
Watched Black Rain this morning, loved it. One of the few Ridley Scott movies I haven't watched in forever and could only vaguely recall.

One of my favorite movies from the 80s. Though I like it more for its visuals and atmosphere than anything else.

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« Reply #28426 on: November 19, 2017, 08:54:27 PM »
Justice League deserves better than this :fbm
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« Reply #28427 on: November 20, 2017, 12:00:28 AM »


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« Reply #28428 on: November 20, 2017, 12:02:59 AM »
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« Reply #28429 on: November 20, 2017, 01:10:05 AM »
Finally watched The Babadook, and really enjoyed it. The ending, in particular elevated it. The mother was absolutely perfectly cast, and gave a tremendous performance. I hope to see more from her. The photography and lighting were inspired, and the various media inserts, audio clips, and such from the delirious times in front of the TV were spot-on.

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« Reply #28430 on: November 20, 2017, 01:21:07 AM »
Justice League actually isn't terrible. It's not like, especially good or whatever but I didn't hate it the way I did BvS. I think the best word that can describe it is "competent."
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« Reply #28431 on: November 20, 2017, 05:03:53 AM »
I actually only have two burning questions about DC Films at this point (okay three) which relate to Snyder:
1. Does Snyder have a three hour Justice League "R" cut he can drop, he has them in his contract, but with everything that happened to this movie from the two hour studio demand to Whedon coming in, I'm mostly wondering if there's the content that exists? Like with Suicide Squad and BvS, one of which the director had no say over the extended cut which added essentially nothing to the mess and the other where the director shot for it and imo, made a mediocre movie with some good parts out of a garbage film with almost none by restoring entire plotlines and character motivations. I'm totally fine with them naming it in some way to indicate that it's not the true version of the movie like they did with BvS. Also putting in tons of unfinished scenes is fine too. The gray polygonal Steppenwolf stand-in that leaker on reddit described in a screen print sounded like a more interesting character than the final version.

2. Is Snyder done done with Justice League 2? It's already been pushed back potentially to 2020 (which makes you wonder even more about Affleck) and is part of that so he can come back for it? Or is he out* and they're going to stick Whedon in there after he does Batgirl until they find somebody else? (And are they dumping Snyder's build up to Darkseid?)

C. The fascist child molesters at RML reminded me. We need more clarity on this Joker thing because thinking about it is more damaging than taking all the drugs on earth at once. Jared Leto is going to be The Joker in three separate films in various stages of development, Suicide Squad 2, Ayer's next movie Gotham City Sirens and a Harley and Joker film. Meanwhile they're doing a Joker origin film, written by the director/writer of the Hangover trilogy and Due Date, set in the 1980's that has tried to cast Leonardo DiCaprio in the main role and is not currently part of the DCEU.

First, why is Leto in so many movies, especially at least one and potentially two of which could yet again cut the character out of the film and into an extended cameo. None of which seem poised to use The Joker as people would seemingly want. And why would you think DiCaprio wants to slum it in a Joker origin film of all things? Couldn't Leto do it out of makeup and without the accent just as convincing as a "younger" Joker, and his coming of age as a criminal in the 1980's would definitely do a lot to explain why this Joker is so different in his visual persona. (Since we haven't seen anywhere near enough of him to know anything else about him.)

It seems weird with the planned Batman trilogy. Which I still can't imagine will star Affleck outside of maybe framing, and won't be set in the past. It's almost like they're creating an out of the shared universe for their two most popular characters. And they can't hide the fact that Supes is getting the same nebulous "oh yeah, we totally got something planned for him too among all these movies starring every random tier characters we can pull out including Lobo, Nightwing and Deadshot."

This is what Warner announced in 2014 as their planned slate with late 2018 and 2019 for adding in films if necessary:
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Batman v Superman: Dawn of Justice (March 25, 2016)
Suicide Squad (August 5, 2016)
Wonder Woman (June 23, 2017)
Justice League: Part One (November 17, 2017)
The Flash (March 23, 2018)
Aquaman (July 27, 2018)
Shazam! (April 5, 2019)
Justice League: Part Two (July 14, 2019)
Cyborg (April 3, 2020)
Green Lantern Corps (June 19, 2020)

Which has now exploded into, even though neither of the dated 2020 films have directors yet and Cyborg has never had a writer attached, and many of the undated ones have both writers and directors. And Black Adam has its main actor cast but only recently got a writer, and has no director, and the character won't be appearing in Shazam!

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Justice League (November 17, 2017)
Aquaman (December 21, 2018)
Shazam! (April 5, 2019, scheduled to start filming in February 2018)
Wonder Woman 2 (November 1, 2019)
Cyborg (April 3, 2020, no script)
Green Lantern Corps. (July 24, 2020, David Goyer rehired to write script in 2017 off story he and Johns wrote in 2015.)

Black Adam (Release date: TBA)
Batgirl (Release date: TBA)
The Batman (Release date: TBA)
Deadshot (Release date: TBA)
Deathstroke (Release date: TBA)
Flashpoint (Release date: TBA)
Gotham City Sirens (Release date: TBA)
Harley and Joker (Release date: TBA)
Joker Origin (Release date: TBA)
Justice League 2 (Release date: TBA, but after The Batman)
Justice League Dark (Release date: TBA)
Lobo (Release date: TBA)
Man of Steel 2 (Release date: TBA)
Nightwing (Release date: TBA)
Suicide Squad 2 (Release date: TBA, only one with scheduled date of production, mid-2018)
So Flash, the most popular prospect was moved off the board and turned into a semi-Justice League film based on an alternate universe. You know Cyborg and Green Lantern will be shoved out of those dates. There's no Justice League or Superman plan. Some kind of Batman could make it into 2019 or 2020, which allows for Justice League which could grab those 2020 dates. There's a whole slate of non-heroes or anti-heroes lined up as some kind of Suicide Squad sub-universe. The Bat Family films can't connect until they know what they're doing with Batman.

Seven years after Man of Steel came out and six years after they announced a slate which the back half isn't happening outside of Aquaman which got pushed six months and left a gaping hole in 2018. While the only film from that slate even close to legitimately hitting its date won't have its most anticipated actor (since 2014) who is sitting in an anti-hero sequel with no director or script.

And there's a distinct possibly the revised 2020 slate is a deluge of Suicide Squad and Batman related films.

They should sit on Flashpoint until they see if this whole thing becomes a disaster financially, while Johns finds himself someone who can put a plan in place (Scott Snyder and Grant Morrison are going to be free soon :teehee), then use it as the new reboot where they can keep some of the stuff like Shazam and maybe Aquaman if those do well, even Wonder Woman, Flash potentially. Instead of this weird universe with two Batmans, two Jokers, and seems intent on putting out four Harley Quinn movies and a whole host of villains/anti-hero films while Superman can't even star in a film of his own and at this point not even a Justice League film for probably eight years after his first one.

The irony being this is Marvel's announced slate as of now:
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Thor: Ragnarok (November 3, 2017)
Black Panther (February 16, 2018)
Avengers: Infinity War (May 4, 2018)
Ant-Man and the Wasp (July 6, 2018)
Captain Marvel (March 8, 2019)
Avengers: Infinity War 2 (May 3, 2019)
Spider-Man Homecoming 2 (July 5, 2019)
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Placeholder (August 7, 2020)
Placeholder (November 6, 2020)

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 3 (2020)
Spider-Man Homecoming 3 (Release Date: TBA)
I'm sure it'll look like a mess in four years too. Like it did four years ago when they announced most all this that they've kept their dates with. Or it'll be "everything was Netflix" except Doctor Strange 2 for one of the 2020 dates and X-Men for another 2020 date when they buy Fox amirite.
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He is also working on an adaptation of the 1943 novel The Fountainhead by Ayn Rand.

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« Reply #28432 on: November 20, 2017, 03:16:53 PM »
I sadly watched Alien: Covenant over the weekend. It's maybe on par with Prometheus, but both are awful movies. I think Alien is the ultimate example of a movie that didn't anything beyond the original. The sequel was a happy accident, but it led to fans demanding more and more backstory and world building being added to something self contained and perfect which led to these two movies. The lead actress was alright but wasted, and everyone else wasn't qualified to run a chipotle, much less be on an interstellar spacecraft. And why the fuck were the colonists living in what amounted to hanging garment bags? Fuck this movie.
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« Reply #28433 on: November 20, 2017, 05:41:37 PM »

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« Reply #28434 on: November 20, 2017, 05:49:46 PM »
It's funny, if Ridley Scott made uniformly bad movies you wouldn't get mad at them. You would just shrug it off and go about your day. But because he can be so incredible at certain things, yet find a way to fuck it up in the end it enrages you even more.




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« Reply #28435 on: November 20, 2017, 06:28:44 PM »
Wrinkle in time looking worse and worse :donot
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« Reply #28436 on: November 20, 2017, 09:40:39 PM »

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« Reply #28437 on: November 20, 2017, 10:11:38 PM »
All you guys with your fancy-pants Pacific Rim .

Nah man, we OG types run with Atlantic Rim

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« Reply #28438 on: November 20, 2017, 11:11:01 PM »
The Florida Project

This is a straight up American Honey style closeup on southern poverty but from the view point of a child. The film does well in contrasting the fantastical colors of these Magic Kingdom outskirts built on concrete and broken down condos. Those aesthetics running parallel with the innocense of the main child against the socioeconomic situation she's being brought up in.

I really liked the film. The portrayal of this life felt genuine from what I've experienced when I was younger. Kids get into things, whether theyre in the vast boonies of some woods or the endless sprawl of blacktop plazas and mini-malls.

The whole scenario with the mom was rough to watch. You hear the girl at one point talk of alligators in the swamps but, from my end, the most imminent danger to this little girl is a mother that couldn't find a way to cope with raising a child.
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« Reply #28439 on: November 21, 2017, 11:29:41 AM »