Movie News, Reviews, and Discussion Super-Thread

[Dennis]

[TVC15]

Uncut Gems getting no noms confirms it as movie of the year.

[Great Rumbler]

Endgame only getting one nomination [for visual effects] is the only thing I care about.

[nachobro]

Jojo Rabbit for best picture?

[Tuckers Law]

Uncut Gems getting no noms confirms it as movie of the year.

Don’t think it was my movie of the year, but it certainly had the most dynamite ass of the year.  Julia Fox 

Seriously though, it was a really good movie and deserves recognition.

[Himu]

Lmao at some slate article saying enough is enough and losing their shit that joker is getting these noms

Eat it

[Great Rumbler]

Lmao at some slate article saying enough is enough and losing their shit that joker is getting these noms

Eat it

I don't think it deserved that many nominations, but people continuing to freak out over the positive acclaim it's getting is good content.

[BlueTsunami]

Dolittle comes out this week? Who's excited? Truly January trash

Lmao at some slate article saying enough is enough and losing their shit that joker is getting these noms

Eat it

From it causing mass shootings from incels to it actually being decent and winning awards. It's actually counter culture in this way which is crazy to think about.

[Tuckers Law]

  You all weren’t exaggerating about that Slate article, holy shit he mad 

Joker poses as a movie interested in exploring the anomie and alienation of contemporary manhood, the rage of the underclass, the fragile equilibrium of our cities. Joker is not actually interested in any of those things. It is interested in shocks and thrills, in valorizing its antihero’s put-upon haplessness, in exploiting potent and crucial protest messages for the lulz.

 

I wasn’t sure what movie I was hoping to get top awards, but if the reaction to Joker is still this way months later, I’m definitely hoping for it to sweep with all the major wins.

[Himu]

Lmao at some slate article saying enough is enough and losing their shit that joker is getting these noms

Eat it

I don't think it deserved that many nominations, but people continuing to freak out over the positive acclaim it's getting is good content.

I still don't understand why people hate this movie so much. It's a great movie. Not perfect, but definitely the best comic movie of the last ten years.

You all weren’t exaggerating about that Slate article, holy shit he mad 

Joker poses as a movie interested in exploring the anomie and alienation of contemporary manhood, the rage of the underclass, the fragile equilibrium of our cities. Joker is not actually interested in any of those things. It is interested in shocks and thrills, in valorizing its antihero’s put-upon haplessness, in exploiting potent and crucial protest messages for the lulz.

 

I wasn’t sure what movie I was hoping to get top awards, but if the reaction to Joker is still this way months later, I’m definitely hoping for it to sweep with all the major wins.

I'm really hoping for a Joker sweep

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https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1216763084292816897


 

[Great Rumbler]

I still don't understand why people hate this movie so much. It's a great movie. Not perfect, but definitely the best comic movie of the last ten years.

It sits quite comfortably at the crossroads of Marvel/Disney stans and the perpetually-offended brigade. And those people are made all the more upset by how wrong they've been about it. Joker was supposed to incite a wave of violence across the country...but it didn't. Joker was supposed to be a box office flop...but it wasn't. Joker was supposed to be panned by all the important critics...but it's winning awards instead.

[Himu]

One part of the Slate article that really caught my attention was the accusation that people that like Joker laugh at dwarf jokes. This shows that the author of the article - which I refuse to link to give them traffic - doesn't understand the film. The story is about how society treats those who are unable to change aspects of their person hood either by birth or circumstance, in a poor manner. A key scene is where Joker kills dude for making fun of him but not the dwarf because he treated him well. The dwarf, situated in the same room where the murder took place, tries his hardest to leave but can't reach the knob and turn it because of his height. This prompts a comedic reaction but it reinforces Joker's points: society laughs at people that are different. The movie uses this to prove its point by using the dwarf as an example. The audience is now an extension of the movie and the film is now interacting with its audience in a unique manner.

Yet the author of the Slate article somehow doesn't get this while accusing those that enjoy the movie for its social commentary of being retrograde.

Okay.

[Tuckers Law]

No you don’t get it, that was dumb, Cindi.  It was all so dumb.

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Writer of that article was in love with the word dumb they used it 13 times.

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[OnlyRegret]

disney psy-ops that failed

[EchoRin]

Awards shwards. It's art. I fully understand awards in sports leagues. There is a level of objective things one can look at with a touch of "intangibles" to come to some decision. But when it comes to awards for music or film, I don't know. It's nice for the ego and everyone has an ego, but it really doesn't mean anything (aside from the business aspect. Asking for a bigger paycheck and so on). If anything it just gives me another categorization of looking for something. Like say I want to look at some movies from the 50s, but don't really know where to start. I'll go to wikipedia and look up best picture winner from the Oscars in that decade, cause there is a good chance that film should be at least pretty good and I can read a little more about it before making a decision. Beyond that though it means nothing to me.

/hippy talk

Edit: Like I'm all for having your own opinion on best and worst and top 10 and whatever. I just don't care for some governing body to act like it's some credible authority that makes things out to be the one and only truth.

[Himu]

Parasite cracking through foreign category is good news.

Overall I'm satisfied with all the nominations, although I haven't seen Uncut Gems so...

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I'm just missing whatever gene causes people to be obsessed with ranking things, then comparing their rankings against others, then yearly going back and re-ranking everything and ranking them against each other.

I do appreciate reviews of art, and even scores..  they are good tools for consumers.  At some point it stops being about a tool to use and just becomes about complaining or praising people's opinion of something.. as if that opinion is what matters and not the art.

You see this with video games in terrible ways;   "well my game I like got a 97 on metacritic".. well neat.. I had a shit ton of fun playing the game I like, couldn't tell you it's metacritic score.

let me guess, size doesn't matter to you either 

[BlueTsunami]

My only grief with awards is how they tend to hold up legacies versus budding directors, actors. Where would Tarantino be if Reservoir Dogs didn't win for best screenplay? Not one of the big two categories but it goes to show that it can be a powerful force for fledgling artists, vaulting them up to a level where they can fully realize their larger visions.

2019 was absolutely filled with great mid-range films that are not really represented in the list of nominees. But, from what it sounds like to become nominated, it's less based on merit than it is on connections and selling yourself to the academy

[TEEEPO]

I'm going to watch Pain and Glory tonight first and then I'll decide if Parasite is movie of the year, but I'm thinking I will.

possibly my second fav film of 2019 after parasite

[Transhuman]

disney psy-ops that failed

It succeeded in tarnishing the RT score

[Joe Molotov]

disney psy-ops that failed

It succeeded in tarnishing the RT score

The only moral compass we have left in these dark times.

[Transhuman]

Whether right or wrong, it's what a lot of moviegoers use to decide what to see. The histrionics about the movie before it was released affected reviews (I feel comfortable saying that considering the amount of reviews mentioning that it was a "controversial movie" or how many found use of the word "incel"), which potentially cost the movie some audience members.

Of course, it probably also caused it to draw in some attention, so maybe it all balanced out in the end.

[EchoRin]

Didn't the Joker do some incredible numbers? It grossed over a billion dollars.

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joker seems like it could have been done on a smallish budget, plus all the free advertising  they should have reaped some p good profits 

[TEEEPO]

i'm not going to even pretend ranked lists haven't played a large part in helping shape my tastes in everything from film to music and neither should any of you because you'd only be playing yourself

[Transhuman]

Didn't the Joker do some incredible numbers? It grossed over a billion dollars.

Yep. And if you read the RT reviews, you find people saying it's a piece of shit that no-one should watch.

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riotios is remains completely influence free by your lists, hunty 

[Transhuman]

i'm not going to even pretend ranked lists haven't played a large part in helping shape my tastes in everything from film to music and neither should any of you because you'd only be playing yourself

Even Tarantino believes in ranked lists

[Transhuman]

Pretending RT scores have that much of an effect on box office gross is ludicrous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbean/2020/01/13/box-office-the-92-plunge-for-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-was-unprecedented/

It does though.

Joker may have escaped it but poor RT cost Star Wars tens or hundreds of millions

(Or maybe the combination of poor RT and poor word of mouth)

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the importance of likes 

[Great Rumbler]

joker seems like it could have been done on a smallish budget

The budget's listed as $55 million. DC and Marvel's big budget superhero movies start at $150 million and go up from there.

[EchoRin]

i'm not going to even pretend ranked lists haven't played a large part in helping shape my tastes in everything from film to music and neither should any of you because you'd only be playing yourself

I agree and disagree. I would say I use lists as a great jumping off point for anything. A way to get your feet wet. This can go from publications to friends to random online people. I think they are a great way to also refresh your memory on certain things (like I'm not a horror guy so I would look up some Top 100 horror movies to jog my memory and probably take note of some of the newer releases on that list cause I really don't have a clue what good horror movies came out in the last 10 years, since it's not my cup of tea).

But even with finding use in lists I have never looked at the Pitchfork top of the year lists (and they seem to be popular cause if any music publication lists are bitched about it's that one) or Rolling Stone or whatever the movie equivalent of magazines is. I think the only movie lists I ever looked at were Roger Ebert and Siskel shooting the shit on their old TV show where they would talk about their favorite movies of the year. And I didn't even watch that until Siskel was long gone.

So I agree that lists have a great purpose for discovery. After that though I think my curation goes to other places (my own rabbit hole, friends, podcasts, youtube channels, stuff some teacher showed me back in school, specific people who I feel know me well enough or vice versa to know if if there is a good chance if I will like said thing.)

A cool list I still have bookmarked, but haven't checked on in some years is the They Shoot Pictures Don't They.

Hmm... maybe I'm being too defensive and I put more stock into lists than I think? I will concede if it seems that way. My feelings for official award shows for artistic things remains the same though. Recognition is nice, but I don't give them much power.

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they still spent too much! was the midget CG?

[Transhuman]

joker seems like it could have been done on a smallish budget

The budget's listed as $55 million. DC and Marvel's big budget superhero movies start at $150 million and go up from there.

"We were struggling to get Joker made, which sounds funny because it exists in the superhero world, but it's really not one of those movies. We had a really hard time getting that film made, which seems insane today seeing how well the movies done," Todd added. "We spent a year at Warner Bros., and I saw emails back and forth, literally, where they said, "Does he realize we sell Joker pajamas at Target?" I go, "Didn't movies come first and pajamas come second? Are the pajamas dictating the movies?'"

Marvel is pajamas first.

[TEEEPO]

i'm not going to even pretend ranked lists haven't played a large part in helping shape my tastes in everything from film to music and neither should any of you because you'd only be playing yourself

Hmm... maybe I'm being too defensive and I put more stock into lists than I think? I will concede if it seems that way. My feelings for official award shows for artistic things remains the same though. Recognition is nice, but I don't give them much power.

you kinda proved my point mate. though on the topic of award shows, i couldn't care less

[EchoRin]

i'm not going to even pretend ranked lists haven't played a large part in helping shape my tastes in everything from film to music and neither should any of you because you'd only be playing yourself

Hmm... maybe I'm being too defensive and I put more stock into lists than I think? I will concede if it seems that way. My feelings for official award shows for artistic things remains the same though. Recognition is nice, but I don't give them much power.

you kinda proved my point mate. though on the topic of award shows, i couldn't care less

Kk. I concede then.

[Transhuman]

Pretending RT scores have that much of an effect on box office gross is ludicrous.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/travisbean/2020/01/13/box-office-the-92-plunge-for-star-wars-rise-of-skywalker-was-unprecedented/

It does though.

Joker may have escaped it but poor RT cost Star Wars tens or hundreds of millions

(Or maybe the combination of poor RT and poor word of mouth)

Blade Runner 2049 had both and still bombed.

Star Wars was making less and less each movie. TFA was a giant event not unlike something like Avatar was for it's time. SW's issues are a lot bigger than just RT score. WoM can have a big effect on blockbusters so i wouldn't doubt that, but the RT score could be 98 and it would still gross the same.

Just like the first Blade Runner though. Too slow, too "thinky" for American audiences.

[TEEEPO]

it was even too slow and thinky for critics across the globe

https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017-all-the-votes/#/?poll=combined&film=5a142eeff3dc4

if it couldn't even crack the top 25 on bfi, who can you trust

[naff]

it was even too slow and thinky for critics across the globe

https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017-all-the-votes/#/?poll=combined&film=5a142eeff3dc4

if it couldn't even crack the top 25 on bfi, who can you trust

of all the movies i've seen that are rated higher there, i agree with all of them except ghost story. fuck that movie.

non-directors cut of bladerunner sucks. i think that's the main reason it bombed critically historically. Fords voice over is mind numbingly bad. i actually really liked BR2049 on second watch, but i initially thought it bit off more than it could chew and felt like a vapid journey through a series of beautiful dystopian sets. i really vibed with the emptiness the second time i watched it though. still not my favourite Villanueve.

[TEEEPO]

i had never bothered to check joker's imdb score

[TEEEPO]

it was even too slow and thinky for critics across the globe

https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017-all-the-votes/#/?poll=combined&film=5a142eeff3dc4

if it couldn't even crack the top 25 on bfi, who can you trust

of all the movies i've seen that are rated higher there, i agree with all of them except ghost story. fuck that movie.

non-directors cut of bladerunner sucks. i think that's the main reason it bombed critically historically. Fords voice over is mind numbingly bad. i actually really liked BR2049 on second watch, but i initially thought it bit off more than it could chew and felt like a vapid journey through a series of beautiful dystopian sets. i really vibed with the emptiness the second time i watched it though. still not my favourite Villanueve.

echoing what echorin said () in that lists are great refreshers and just digging through bfi's list from 2017 and 2018 further highlight how disappointing i found 2019 as a whole. 

the only two films i'd prob put above 2049 are loveless and call me by your name with personal shopper a maybe


also some how i ended up liking ghost story. initially, i couldn't have been more detached from what i was viewing but after that pie scene, i was completely transfixed despite how overt the film was with its message; fight me.

[EchoRin]

Happy to hear that. Little Women and 1917 are the two movies I plan on seeing next. 1917 tomorrow. I hope Little Women is still in theaters next week.

[TVC15]

If Little Women just got a best picture nod, you can count on it being in theaters a while. Lady Bird was in theaters around here until right before the Oscars, and that made less cash, so I think Little Women will do even better with the buzz.

[EchoRin]

Good point TVC. But both of them have Oscar nods if I'm not mistaken.

And yes Glen I'm in a big city so I should be ok. Guess it helps that both movies are nominated too.

[TVC15]

Adam Sandler said he'd make a movie "so bad on purpose" if he didn't get an Oscar nod. We have some pitches
https://news.avclub.com/adam-sandler-said-hed-make-a-movie-so-bad-on-purpose-1840977303?_ga=2.92444253.1333867007.1578870714-2803486.1577882007

[Don Rumata]

it was even too slow and thinky for critics across the globe

https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017-all-the-votes/#/?poll=combined&film=5a142eeff3dc4

if it couldn't even crack the top 25 on bfi, who can you trust

Clown ranking.
Not even for BR, but fucking Wonder Woman with Manchester and 20th century women? Get Out number 1? Raw above First Reformed? Gould be worse though.
Nice to see The other side of hope so high, even if it felt a bit of a retread of other Kaurismaki movies.

[Bebpo]

The Handmaiden at 76th  :'(

[TEEEPO]

it was even too slow and thinky for critics across the globe

https://www.bfi.org.uk/features/best-films-2017-all-the-votes/#/?poll=combined&film=5a142eeff3dc4

if it couldn't even crack the top 25 on bfi, who can you trust

Clown ranking.
Not even for BR, but fucking Wonder Woman with Manchester and 20th century women? Get Out number 1? Raw above First Reformed? Gould be worse though.
Nice to see The other side of hope so high, even if it felt a bit of a retread of other Kaurismaki movies.

The Handmaiden at 76th  :'(

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4385888/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4016934/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt4034228/releaseinfo?ref_=tt_ov_inf

this is an international list so films do carry over to the next year. for reference, first reformed was #5 for 2018

[Don Rumata]

Just noticed Toni Erdmann with only two votes. 

[Transhuman]

Just got back from Little Women. I'm such a Jo! Great movie.

[Raist]

Phrasing.

[agrajag]

finally got around to watching Star Wars, it was kinda meh? Can't find the Star War thread so posting this here. One thing I gotta guve them credit for is

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the Rey being a Palpatine fake out

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, I haven't really heard too many people speculate that. It was kind of a

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bug fuck you to her parents who sacrificed so much to keep her safe when she took the Skywalker name

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[Raist]

finally got around to watching Star Wars, it was kinda meh? Can't find the Star War thread so posting this here. One thing I gotta guve them credit for is

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the Rey being a Palpatine fake out

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, I haven't really heard too many people speculate that. It was kind of a

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bug fuck you to her parents who sacrificed so much to keep her safe when she took the Skywalker name

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Kinda meh? It's a complete mess

[EchoRin]

Since you guys were talking about Joker being slammed by the media...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/joker-oscar-nominations-todd-phillips-joaquin-phoenix

  this article is so bitter and on brand. I like how it's essentially just a rewrite with a few added sprinkles from other recent articles (Oscar noms) and boom, new article. Bravo.

[Don Rumata]

finally got around to watching Star Wars, it was kinda meh? Can't find the Star War thread so posting this here. One thing I gotta guve them credit for is

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the Rey being a Palpatine fake out

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, I haven't really heard too many people speculate that. It was kind of a

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bug fuck you to her parents who sacrificed so much to keep her safe when she took the Skywalker name

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Kinda meh? It's a complete mess

A mehss. 

[Himu]

Since you guys were talking about Joker being slammed by the media...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/joker-oscar-nominations-todd-phillips-joaquin-phoenix

  this article is so bitter and on brand. I like how it's essentially just a rewrite with a few added sprinkles from other recent articles (Oscar noms) and boom, new article. Bravo.

lmao

i still don't get why the media hates Joker so much.

What are they threatened by exactly?

[VomKriege]

It's always a bit pointless to comment on "the media" as a whole but I think that the basic gist is unwillingness to back down and admit jumping the gun.

[EchoRin]

1917 - Very strong picture. Had a lump in my throat a few times. I enjoyed the long single take shots. Some scenes were really beautiful among the drab setting, which is naturally present in war torn WW1 Europe. The big star cameos were pointless beyond adding their names to the posters/trailers, but they didn't take me out of the movie.

[Transhuman]

Since you guys were talking about Joker being slammed by the media...

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/scaachikoul/joker-oscar-nominations-todd-phillips-joaquin-phoenix

  this article is so bitter and on brand. I like how it's essentially just a rewrite with a few added sprinkles from other recent articles (Oscar noms) and boom, new article. Bravo.

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