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DEBATE! Fearless predictions inside!
« on: September 26, 2008, 08:59:30 PM »
Obama will repeatedly bring up other people endorsing his plans (Secretaries of State supporting talks with Iran, Maliki in favor of a timeline, Bush administration sending a negotiator to the Iran talks and conducting operations inside Pakistan) to make him look wise and well-versed by association.  Some of it will be a stretch, some will be on point.

McCain will probably bullshit on Iraq in several of the following ways:

* Talking about "extremists" or "militias" without defining them.

* Referring to Al Qaeda in Iraq as if they're the same Al Qaeda that executed the 9/11 attacks.

* Talking smack about Iran's interference in Iraq without mentioning Iran's strongest ties are with Dawa and ISCI, who are America's biggest allies and run the government in Iraq.  Bonus points for acting like Moqtada Al-Sadr is Iran's puppet.

* Surge surge surge surge surge surge surge.  I've already ranted on this one.

* Framing the issue as victory/defeat without defining either.

McCain's gonna take credit for talking tough about Putin before it was in vogue.  Both candidates will talk about solidarity with Georgia without committing the resources to actually check Russia.  Be fun to see if they're pressed about NATO membership and Article Five.

McCain will drop at least one "naive", probably talking about someone not wanting to bomb someone else.  Might use "isolation" too.

Obama will bring up his speech against the Iraq war in the first place and will say "ten billion a month" at least once.  At least.

Generally, Obama's going to try to fudge the rules by bringing up the domestic economy more than McCain.

McCain will growl at Chavez and maybe Castro some.  Obama will say we need to change our Cuba policy but he'll hedge.  Obama might talk a bit about better diplomacy in South America generally, and bring up the fact that China's moving in and investing in infrastructure there.

Africa?  Lolz.  Both candidates will pay lip service to Darfur, framing the issue as one-sided abuse.  They both might call it genocide.  McCain will pat himself on the back for straight talk if he's the only one.

McCain will rear up on his hind legs, extend his claws, and make menacing gestures at Iran.  Expect him to bring up the bogus "wipe Israel off the map" quote.

Obama might say something nuance-y about free trade, cause all the wonks are now saying it's not the absolute positive they thought it would be.  McCain will be generically in favor.

McCain will bring up his idea for a new League of Democracies and it will be distinguished mentally-challenged.

I think that's it.

Re: DEBATE! Fearless predictions inside!
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2008, 09:03:10 PM »
I want another question poised that makes McCain respond only with the names of advisors he knows, like that wonderful economic question Ron Paul asked him.

I'm in the UK... I hope this badboy gets recorded!

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« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2008, 09:12:08 PM »
like you I am already mad about the "surge"

we are forcing Obama to admit that the surge "worked"?

so like, we're losing less than we were a year ago in a six-year war nobody wants that was started on false pretenses?

I dunno, it's like we're $500 in the hole and just got back $100 on a lucky bet and this is supposed to be evidence that we've turned the corner
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« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2008, 09:16:12 PM »
I'm betting shit devolves into MAD HOMO within twenty minutes.

Oh wait, this isn't a tauntaun vs. mupepe debate.
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« Reply #4 on: September 26, 2008, 09:19:57 PM »
Schieffer just brought up the fiscal rescue as the first question, using an Eisenhower quote to pretend he wasn't bending the rules.  Fine by me.

But I'm kicking myself something fierce for not predicting the Main Street Wall Street catchphrase.  That was a gimme!

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« Reply #5 on: September 26, 2008, 09:21:30 PM »
Schieffer just brought up the fiscal rescue as the first question, using an Eisenhower quote to pretend he wasn't bending the rules.  Fine by me.

But I'm kicking myself something fierce for not predicting the Main Street Wall Street catchphrase.  That was a gimme!

Lehrer, not Schieffer.  Wrong old white dude!
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« Reply #6 on: September 26, 2008, 09:22:09 PM »
is this being liveblogged/transcripted anywhere? I'm stuck at work for another hour

EDIT: CNN.com is streaming it
« Last Edit: September 26, 2008, 09:25:29 PM by Synthesizer Patel »
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« Reply #7 on: September 26, 2008, 09:22:49 PM »
When do the debates start again?

Mandark

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« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2008, 09:23:28 PM »
All gentiles look alike to me.

McCain: "People losing their homes and their credits."  Their credits?  Were they playing the X-Men Arcade game and a brown-out made it reboot?

His initial answer on the rescue package was way more vague than Obama's.

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« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2008, 09:25:02 PM »
Patel: It's being webcast here: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/09/18/politics/2008debates/main4457570.shtml

I'm watching now and neither candidate is actually answering Lehrer's actual question. Come on Obama, be better than this!

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« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2008, 09:27:34 PM »


WALL STREET

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« Last Edit: September 26, 2008, 09:30:14 PM by Synthesizer Patel »
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« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2008, 09:29:22 PM »
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WALL STREET

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That's one thing I find weird about elections, they always introduce these terms and jargons that may be commonplace among certain policy wonk circles but are totally foreign to me, and then suddenly they're EVERYWHERE.

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« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2008, 09:30:49 PM »
Bears in Montana!  Dammit!

If I had known this would become an economic debate, I would have totally called that.  Unless they turn back to foreign policy I'm going to be a failed prophet.

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« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2008, 09:31:07 PM »
you probably don't want to bring up DNA studies John lol

I hate this fucking focus on "earmarks"

it's like 0.05% of government spending

I guess we aren't even pretending this is a foreign policy debate
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« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2008, 09:31:51 PM »
Yeah, they've barely even paid lip service to the whole "foreign policy" thing here. Though in their defense, who even cares today?

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« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2008, 09:33:41 PM »
$932 million is like 0.01% of our bailout

let's talk about something real please
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« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2008, 09:34:25 PM »
McCain reduces every single issue to personal morality.

The current fiscal problem is because of "greed" and earmarks are bad because they "corrupt people".  Oy.

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« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2008, 09:34:38 PM »
FINALLY!  FUCKING FINALLY SOMEONE CALLED HIM OUT ON THE EARMARKS BULLSHIT!
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« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2008, 09:35:38 PM »
this cracks me up

"hey guys...this is a debate...feel free to debate each other...please?"
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« Reply #19 on: September 26, 2008, 09:37:03 PM »
McCain brings up definitions of who's rich.  That's probably not a smart move.

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« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2008, 09:37:46 PM »
not to mention McCain just said "go out and purchase their own health care"

let's get back to that

have we heard the argument that paying for your own health care encourages you not to get sick? I love that argument
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« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2008, 09:38:48 PM »
thank you Obama for kicking McCain's stupid $5000 health care tax credit ass
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« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2008, 09:39:25 PM »
thank you Obama for kicking McCain's stupid $5000 health care tax credit ass

Yeah, I was begging him to point out the dumbness of that.
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« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2008, 09:40:25 PM »
Gettin hot with the interjections
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« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2008, 09:41:08 PM »
McCain's wheezy, derisive laugh is just as bad as all of Al Gore's sighs put together.

The meme coming out of this better be "McCain is such a dick."

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« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2008, 09:42:47 PM »
SHOUT OUT TO MY CAR BUILDIN PEEPS IN O-HI-O-O-O

he also brings up the Chinese time travellers

Obama is kinda dodging the question - he's saying what he will buy, but not what he will give up
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« Reply #26 on: September 26, 2008, 09:43:25 PM »
I've never seen McCain speak before.  Not much of speaker is he.  He's a bit of an ass too.

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« Reply #27 on: September 26, 2008, 09:44:17 PM »
oh man McCain laughing at his own joke was creepy

Obama had a great multipronged plan, McCain is like "uh...spend less"
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« Reply #28 on: September 26, 2008, 09:45:06 PM »
"We need to cut spending."  Then he talks about earmarks and contracts.

He is completely unwilling to make hard decisions or deal with the math honestly.

Also, "most liberal record in the Senate."  I would have predicted all this!  I swear!

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« Reply #29 on: September 26, 2008, 09:46:30 PM »
I'm moderately impressed with Obama's performance so far- less professorial than normal.
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« Reply #30 on: September 26, 2008, 09:47:51 PM »
Uh oh- "spending freeze" trap card played by McCain.
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« Reply #31 on: September 26, 2008, 09:47:59 PM »
THERE IT IS! THE $10 BILLION!

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« Reply #32 on: September 26, 2008, 09:48:13 PM »
I like that Obama brought up the private compete-with-Medicare insurance subsidies.

That is one of the dumbest government programs ever.

"Using a hatchet when you need a scalpel."  Like that one.

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« Reply #33 on: September 26, 2008, 09:48:16 PM »
oh my God McCain just threw out CRAZY SPENDING FREEZE ON THE ENTIRE GOVERNMENT

what the fuck
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« Reply #34 on: September 26, 2008, 09:48:56 PM »
THERE IT IS! THE $10 BILLION!

YES!

MIND-TAKING COUNTRY, BABY!  OOOOOOOOWEEEEEEOOOOOOO!

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« Reply #35 on: September 26, 2008, 09:49:36 PM »
nuclear power is also important if we are ever going to have mobile suit technology

I'm voting McCain
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« Reply #36 on: September 26, 2008, 09:51:14 PM »
Come on Obama, bring up the "want to do for healthcare what we did for the banking industry" quote. 

DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT DO IT
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« Reply #37 on: September 26, 2008, 09:51:19 PM »
Hey McCain I think if you left medical coverage to the families, EVERYONE WOULD HAVE COVERAGE

It's not "federal government vs. families" it's "federal government vs. insurance companies"

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« Reply #38 on: September 26, 2008, 09:51:35 PM »
oh man McCain brought up the "socialism" health care trap

bad week to bring up socialism
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« Reply #39 on: September 26, 2008, 09:52:32 PM »
McCain is super obsessive about spending spending spending veto spending
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« Reply #40 on: September 26, 2008, 09:52:53 PM »
McCain basically lying about Obama's health plan.  The government will tell you what doctor to go to!

BTW, McCain's $5,000 credit is indexed to inflation.  That means it would go up 2-3% per year.  Medical costs are going up 8-10% a year.  The value of that credit would shrink really fast.

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« Reply #41 on: September 26, 2008, 09:53:02 PM »
Obama is smooth as fuck.  "spending orgy"  "jim, john", "when I'm president" 

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« Reply #42 on: September 26, 2008, 09:53:09 PM »
oh man McCain brought up the "socialism" health care trap

bad week to bring up socialism

DA KOMRAD

Oh lawd there goes the "miss congeniality" crap again PUH LEEZE McLame.

OH HELL THE MAVERICK CARD.
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« Reply #43 on: September 26, 2008, 09:53:49 PM »
Hahaha, McCain brings up all the points he voted against Bush on

And never once mentions the economy! THAT WAS THE QUESTION

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« Reply #44 on: September 26, 2008, 09:54:03 PM »
McCain is not known as Miss Congeniality. That's why he chose Sarah Palin as his vice president.

HAHA he just brought her up.

Obama totally owned him on that exchange.
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« Reply #45 on: September 26, 2008, 09:54:16 PM »
"Miss Congeniality" is creeping up on "Maverick" as the empty boasting catchphrase du jour.

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« Reply #46 on: September 26, 2008, 09:54:46 PM »
tell us how you won the Iraq war, McCain
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« Reply #47 on: September 26, 2008, 09:55:01 PM »
OH FUCK IRAQ QUESTION LETS GO MAKE UP SOME GROUND ON THESE PREDICTIONS

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« Reply #48 on: September 26, 2008, 09:56:34 PM »
OH FUCK IRAQ QUESTION LETS GO MAKE UP SOME GROUND ON THESE PREDICTIONS

Well, you already got points back on SURGE SURGE SURGE and vague notions of "winning" with "honor" in Iraq.
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« Reply #49 on: September 26, 2008, 09:57:39 PM »
10 billion a year!  Yes!

Victory not defeat!  Yes!

Iranian influence!  Yes!

Surge worked!  Yes!

"Took our eye off the ball" HOW DID I MISS THAT ONE!?

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« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2008, 10:00:01 PM »
"you like to pretend that the war started in 2007"

"you were wrong on this, this, this, this"

Obamowned
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« Reply #51 on: September 26, 2008, 10:00:18 PM »
Oh shit Obama spitting fiah.

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« Reply #52 on: September 26, 2008, 10:00:30 PM »
hahaha that delivery RULED
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« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2008, 10:00:46 PM »
here comes the STORY PITY PARADE
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« Reply #54 on: September 26, 2008, 10:00:55 PM »
Ok, if we're winning, when can we home DICK?
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« Reply #55 on: September 26, 2008, 10:01:06 PM »
wow, what's up with McCain's non sequitir Fourth of July BBQ story
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« Reply #56 on: September 26, 2008, 10:01:56 PM »
this is exciting.  are all debates this good? 

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« Reply #57 on: September 26, 2008, 10:02:05 PM »
wow, what's up with McCain's non sequitir Fourth of July BBQ story

 :usacry
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« Reply #58 on: September 26, 2008, 10:02:45 PM »
Wait, clear and hold?

I thought clear and hold was the old strategy circa 2005 which got replaced by "bribe tribal leaders to act as proxy forces".

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« Reply #59 on: September 26, 2008, 10:03:38 PM »
Why doesn't Obama point out that McCain was against that bill that would give troops more benefits after shorter tours?