Author Topic: Let's talk about Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (for xbox in japan lololol) OFFCIAL (Read 60284 times)

siamesedreamer · « **Reply #120 on:** February 25, 2009, 12:57:29 PM »

Someone on GAF said there's a severe lack of saving points. That just kills RPGs for me.

tiesto · « **Reply #121 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:17:12 PM »

Quote from: siamesedreamer on February 25, 2009, 12:57:29 PM

Someone on GAF said there's a severe lack of saving points. That just kills RPGs for me.

Yeah, IU had that problem too, as did SO3... tri-Ace REALLY needs to learn how to balance save points better.

goactu · « **Reply #122 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:35:33 PM »

It's probably old news but does anyone know if it has that co-op type action they had in TOV?

demi · « **Reply #123 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:37:32 PM »

No co-op

goactu · « **Reply #124 on:** February 25, 2009, 01:42:04 PM »

Well that's unfortunate. Thanks for the info

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #125 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:29:13 PM »

I fought the first boss for nearly ten minutes, used my meager supply of supplies in two seconds, and got totally owned despite blowing through a ton of special move. Worst RPG ever. tri-Ace needs to die in a fire.

Mass Effect: Superior Bioware Scifi RPGing

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #126 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:30:55 PM »

lol the first boss -- the giant dinosaur thing, right? -- is fuck easy

LRN2BLINDSIDE

seriously, blindside and then chain combo (2 regular attacks, middle of third attack fire off a special like rising blade). do that until your rush meter is charged, and then blindside, whack x, combo into chain combo BOOM THOUSANDS OF POINTS OF DAMAGE OMG

tri-ace

shame about the characters and story, though

demi · « **Reply #127 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »

This game sucks buy 50 Cent

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #128 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:34:00 PM »

eat my fat pale balls, basement dweller

demi · « **Reply #129 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:34:42 PM »

Big pile of pewp

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #130 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:36:40 PM »

it is kinda pewpy overall, but that doesn't mean you aren't gonna snack on my scrotum like a somali child on red cross cheese

demi · « **Reply #131 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:37:20 PM »

50 Cent has rap songs on the title screen that go BITCH NICCA WHAT

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #132 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:37:52 PM »

i am sure tvc will have this game FIDDY CENT within minutes

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #133 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:44:45 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on February 25, 2009, 05:30:55 PM

lol the first boss -- the giant dinosaur thing, right? -- is fuck easy

LRN2BLINDSIDE

seriously, blindside and then chain combo (2 regular attacks, middle of third attack fire off a special like rising blade). do that until your rush meter is charged, and then blindside, whack x, combo into chain combo BOOM THOUSANDS OF POINTS OF DAMAGE OMG

I figured that's what the problem was. Never bothered learning blindside because the battle tutorial was taking forever and I just wanted to PLAY the game.

But let's get serious here for a minute and bring in some Real Talk. Mass Effect is way better than Star Ocean: The Last Hope.

demi · « **Reply #134 on:** February 25, 2009, 05:45:52 PM »

Uh, no

God you shoudl be banned

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #135 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:07:39 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 05:45:52 PM

Uh, no

God you shoudl be banned

Don't let my truthiness frighten you, demi.

For every complaint raised against ME, most of which are certainly valid, Star Oceac: TLH has life two, maybe three. I'd probably overlook most of them, but the camera, field movement, and collision detection are all just so janky, so I put me in a bad mood to start things off.

Intro is amazing, as usual.

pilonv1 · « **Reply #136 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:09:40 PM »

lol will stick to LO and TLR

demi · « **Reply #137 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:10:59 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2009, 06:07:39 PM

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
Uh, no

God you shoudl be banned

Don't let my truthiness frighten you, demi.

For every complaint raised against ME, most of which are certainly valid, Star Oceac: TLH has life two, maybe three. I'd probably overlook most of them, but the camera, field movement, and collision detection are all just so janky, so I put me in a bad mood to start things off.

Intro is amazing, as usual.

THE Only thing that is frightening is your anime collection

BRAH

demi · « **Reply #138 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:12:41 PM »

Quote from: pilonv1 on February 25, 2009, 06:09:40 PM

lol will stick to LO and TLR

Yes, TLR is the best RPG ever

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #139 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:12:49 PM »

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2009, 05:44:45 PM

Quote from: Professor Prole on February 25, 2009, 05:30:55 PM
lol the first boss -- the giant dinosaur thing, right? -- is fuck easy

LRN2BLINDSIDE

seriously, blindside and then chain combo (2 regular attacks, middle of third attack fire off a special like rising blade). do that until your rush meter is charged, and then blindside, whack x, combo into chain combo BOOM THOUSANDS OF POINTS OF DAMAGE OMG

I figured that's what the problem was. Never bothered learning blindside because the battle tutorial was taking forever and I just wanted to PLAY the game.

But let's get serious here for a minute and bring in some Real Talk. Mass Effect is way better than Star Ocean: The Last Hope.

this is a tri-ace game! if you play a tri-ace game, you are ALWAYS required to understand the battle systems to succeed, even on easy!

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #140 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:32:06 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 06:10:59 PM

Quote from: Great Rumbler on February 25, 2009, 06:07:39 PM
Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 05:45:52 PM
Uh, no

God you shoudl be banned

Don't let my truthiness frighten you, demi.

For every complaint raised against ME, most of which are certainly valid, Star Oceac: TLH has life two, maybe three. I'd probably overlook most of them, but the camera, field movement, and collision detection are all just so janky, so I put me in a bad mood to start things off.

Intro is amazing, as usual.

THE Only thing that is frightening is your anime collection

BRAH

It's frightening, but that's kind of the point. Plus, I mainly stock the good stuff with only a handful of the seedier stuff, so it's all cool.

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this is a tri-ace game! if you play a tri-ace game, you are ALWAYS required to understand the battle systems to succeed, even on easy!

I'm still in the Star Ocean 1/2 mindset, where's it's all pretty much button-mashing with a few special attacks thrown in. But I've got it going now.

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lol will stick to LO and TLR

It's pretty cool so far, but it's incredibly janky and has the requisite groan-inducing cut scenes.

tiesto · « **Reply #141 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:56:16 PM »

eew, get 50 cent talk out of this thread!

demi · « **Reply #142 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:58:48 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2009, 06:56:16 PM

eew, get 50 cent talk out of this thread!

Why, it's better than this sub-HD weeaboofest

tiesto · « **Reply #143 on:** February 25, 2009, 06:59:58 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 06:58:48 PM

Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2009, 06:56:16 PM
eew, get 50 cent talk out of this thread!

Why, it's better than this sub-HD weeaboofest

Cause (most) rap sucks, and 50 cent is the suckiest of the suck.

demi's just upset that some of the achievements are a bit tough to get and so he can't boost his e-peen easily.

demi · « **Reply #144 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:07:27 PM »

what a fucking racist comment to make. 50 Cent is all about adrenaline action and punching people in the throats. Star Ocean is about sub-HD titties on pre-teen girls

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #145 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:11:32 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2009, 06:59:58 PM

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 06:58:48 PM
Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2009, 06:56:16 PM
eew, get 50 cent talk out of this thread!

Why, it's better than this sub-HD weeaboofest

Cause (most) rap sucks, and 50 cent is the suckiest of the suck.

demi's just upset that some of the achievements are a bit tough to get and so he can't boost his e-peen easily.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Jansen · « **Reply #146 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:20:46 PM »

i can't wait to see what this sd game looks like on my tv

tomorrow can't come soon enough!

tiesto · « **Reply #147 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:26:16 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 07:07:27 PM

what a fucking racist comment to make. 50 Cent is all about adrenaline action and punching people in the throats. Star Ocean is about sub-HD titties on pre-teen girls

60FPS >>>>>>>>>>>>>> HD

Fuck I'd rather play The Game: The Game then one about 50 cent...

demi · « **Reply #148 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:28:54 PM »

50 runs at 60 as well and is in HD

That about wraps it up for Star Ocean

tiesto · « **Reply #149 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:32:23 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 07:28:54 PM

50 runs at 60 as well and is in HD

That about wraps it up for Star Ocean

Yeah, but it's a game about a terrible has-been rapper (yes, I don't like much rap, but most rap fans don't even like the guy). SO4 is an RPG with an awesome battle system, cool locales, and complex item creation/skills systems. Fuck, I'd rather play the Wu Tang fighting game for PS1.

Sho Nuff · « **Reply #150 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:51:31 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2009, 07:32:23 PM

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 07:28:54 PM
50 runs at 60 as well and is in HD

That about wraps it up for Star Ocean

Yeah, but it's a game about a terrible has-been rapper (yes, I don't like much rap, but most rap fans don't even like the guy). SO4 is an RPG with an awesome battle system, cool locales, and complex item creation/skills systems. Fuck, I'd rather play the Wu Tang fighting game for PS1.

Star Ocean 4
[ ] Diamond Skull
[ ] Terrorists
[ ] Shivving people
[ ] DJ Whoo Kid

50 Cent: Blood on the Sand
[X] Diamond Skull
[X] Terrorists
[X] Shivving people
[X] DJ Whoo Kid

Jansen · « **Reply #151 on:** February 25, 2009, 07:57:45 PM »

how bout 60fps AND hd?

vesperia did it, why couldn't the technical masters at tri-ace achieve it? i know i know different visuals styles, but they should have done SOMETHING to get the battles out of sd territory

tri-ace

tiesto · « **Reply #152 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:12:10 PM »

Quote from: Sho Nuff on February 25, 2009, 07:51:31 PM

Quote from: tiesto on February 25, 2009, 07:32:23 PM
Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 07:28:54 PM
50 runs at 60 as well and is in HD

That about wraps it up for Star Ocean

Yeah, but it's a game about a terrible has-been rapper (yes, I don't like much rap, but most rap fans don't even like the guy). SO4 is an RPG with an awesome battle system, cool locales, and complex item creation/skills systems. Fuck, I'd rather play the Wu Tang fighting game for PS1.

Star Ocean 4
[ ] Diamond Skull
[ ] Terrorists
[ ] Shivving people
[ ] DJ Whoo Kid

50 Cent: Blood on the Sand
[X] Diamond Skull
[X] Terrorists
[X] Shivving people
[X] DJ Whoo Kid

Sounds great if you're a wigger stuck in 1998...

BlueTsunami · « **Reply #153 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:27:35 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 25, 2009, 07:57:45 PM

how bout 60fps AND hd?

vesperia did it, why couldn't the technical masters at tri-ace achieve it? i know i know different visuals styles, but they should have done SOMETHING to get the battles out of sd territory

tri-ace

I'm sure if they took on the simple visual style, it could have been done. But Lighting plus detail and environment obvious takes a toll.

Himu · « **Reply #154 on:** February 25, 2009, 08:31:16 PM »

50 CENT IS GOTY

Van Cruncheon · « **Reply #155 on:** February 25, 2009, 09:29:50 PM »

star ocan 4's backgrounds and models are really low-poly

Brehvolution · « **Reply #156 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:00:29 PM »

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Sounds great if you're a wigger stuck in 1998...

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #157 on:** February 25, 2009, 11:50:37 PM »

Quote from: Professor Prole on February 25, 2009, 09:29:50 PM

star ocan 4's backgrounds and models are really low-poly

Unfortunately, this is true. Texture work is okay, but the resolution isn't all that great and they lack a lot of the flashy mapping seen in other games. AA is non-existent as well. Frame rate chugs sometimes in the field.

The only aspect of the graphics that I've been impressed with from a technical perspective is with some of the larger environments where you can see a lot of things off in the distance.

MCD · « **Reply #158 on:** February 26, 2009, 08:35:45 AM »

just bought it.

nice nostalgic title menu.

voice acting makes me sleepy SUDDENLY BATTLE SIMULATOR

now i'm stuck trying to learn every fucking little shit in it.

MCD · « **Reply #159 on:** February 26, 2009, 08:42:35 AM »

also, battle simulator is full of fucking jaggy lines.

my eyes

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #160 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:14:25 AM »

Quote from: MCD on February 26, 2009, 08:35:45 AM

just bought it.

nice nostalgic title menu.

voice acting makes me sleepy SUDDENLY BATTLE SIMULATOR

now i'm stuck trying to learn every fucking little shit in it.

Just skip the basic stuff. All you need is Blindside and Combos.

MCD · « **Reply #161 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:24:52 AM »

i'm done now, no need.

overall it's easy but the camera is kinda gay and no guard button is absolutely gay.

MCD · « **Reply #162 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:06:40 AM »

HIS NAME IS MR EDGE MAVERICK

AND HE GOT THIS EMBLEM ON HIS HAND

THIS HAND OF MINE GLOWS WITH AN AWESOME POWER

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #163 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:36:45 AM »

SHINING HAND

Human Snorenado · « **Reply #164 on:** February 26, 2009, 11:55:09 AM »

You know, I'm all for the WACKY JAPPY and whatever, but I don't think I could live with myself for playing a game with a mc named fucking Edge Maverick. I've found my limit, apparently.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #165 on:** February 26, 2009, 12:55:54 PM »

But is Edge Maverick really that bad of a name when you consider just what Hollywood has been allowed to get away with over the years. It's possible that while watching these films, the japanese may have understandably got the idea that all fictional "American" heros have stupid names (or at least the ones in the 80s). Just look at this small list I found on the internet:

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1. Jimmy Dix (Damon Wayans - The Last Boy Scout.
According to the Urban Dictionary, Jimmy is slang for penis while we all know that Dix is the plural of penis. All of which leads us to the conclusion that his name translates as Penis Penises...)

2. Gibson Rickenbacker
(Jean-Claude Van Damme - Cyborg.
In the future, the planet is a plague-ravaged apocalyptic wasteland, females are actually robots in disguise and heroes have names that sound like electric guitars - awesome!)

3. Marian Cobretti
(Sylvester Stallone - Cobra.
Johnny Cash's A Boy Named Sue described how an errant father's parting gift was to give his son a girl's name in order to make him toughen up. Now Marian "Cobra" Cobretti is undoubtedly hard as nails but that name is just too beyond the (pink) pale.)

4. Jericho Cane
(Arnold Schwarzenegger - End Of Days.
Forgetting that his name pronounced phonetically sounds like Jerry Cocaine (surely the best drug-dealing moniker ever), it's an oddly creaky title for such an accomplished kicker of demon butt.)

5. Pussy Galore
(Honor Blackman - Goldfinger
Apparently Goldfinger's producers were so concerned about the censor board's reaction to this most filthy of epithets they considered changing Pussy to Kitty. They remained bold, however, and the most blatantly dirty appellation in movie history was born.)

6. Cole Trickle
(Tom Cruise - Days Of Thunder
It might be just us, but the Cruiser's character in this testosterone-fuelled racing flick sounds like a euphemism for pissing oneself - "I would have pulled over to use the toilet, but instead I settled for a Cole Trickle in the car.")

http://www.empireonline.com/features/photo/stupid-movie-names/

tiesto · « **Reply #166 on:** February 26, 2009, 01:36:48 PM »

Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 11:55:09 AM

You know, I'm all for the WACKY JAPPY and whatever, but I don't think I could live with myself for playing a game with a mc named fucking Edge Maverick. I've found my limit, apparently.

"Edge" itself isn't that bad of a name, and has been used in a few other RPGs before.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #167 on:** February 26, 2009, 01:39:50 PM »

Quote from: tiesto on February 26, 2009, 01:36:48 PM

Quote from: The Card Cheat on February 26, 2009, 11:55:09 AM
You know, I'm all for the WACKY JAPPY and whatever, but I don't think I could live with myself for playing a game with a mc named fucking Edge Maverick. I've found my limit, apparently.

"Edge" itself isn't that bad of a name, and has been used in a few other RPGs before.

And Maverick is an actual last name.

ManaByte · « **Reply #168 on:** February 26, 2009, 01:52:10 PM »

Quote from: demi on February 25, 2009, 05:37:20 PM

50 Cent has rap songs on the title screen that go BITCH NICCA WHAT

Mr. Gundam · « **Reply #169 on:** February 26, 2009, 02:27:02 PM »

Quote from: InfectedGib on February 26, 2009, 12:55:54 PM

6. Cole Trickle
(Tom Cruise - Days Of Thunder
It might be just us, but the Cruiser's character in this testosterone-fuelled racing flick sounds like a euphemism for pissing oneself - "I would have pulled over to use the toilet, but instead I settled for a Cole Trickle in the car.")

That's nothing. There's a real NASCAR driver named Dick Trickle.

Herr Mafflard · « **Reply #170 on:** February 26, 2009, 02:28:22 PM »

Edge Maverick actually sounds reasonable now.

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #171 on:** February 26, 2009, 04:14:30 PM »

About six hours in and I'm really loving this game so far. Yeah, the problems are still there. Yeah, the graphics still aren't more than slightly above average at best. But, I just blew through a 3 hour session like it was nothing and I'd be playing more but I really need to take a break for a while.

One of the things that I like about SO4 is that it has a bigger emphasis on the scifi aspect of the series. Whereas in the previous installments there's some scifi stuff and then you get dumped on some backwoods planet in the middle of nowhere, this time around you actually have the ability to travel to different planets and interact with another space-faring race.

Bebpo · « **Reply #172 on:** February 26, 2009, 07:13:27 PM »

Got this and Yakuza 3 today in the mail and the graphics are both are irritating. Goddamn Japanese developers learn how to fucking program or stick to making your DS rpgs.

The choppy framerate/slowdowns on the map, the PS2 looking battles, the shimmering in the cutscenes and just overall blockyness of everything in SO4 is ewwww. I love that the textures are sharp, but everything else is a mess and the lighting is just screwy. The camera is sooooooooooooooooo bad too on the field.

Also the lack of music in most cutscenes reminds me of SO3 cutscenes which were terrible. Rpgs are supposed to have MUSIC during cutscenes, not dead silence outside the characters speaking and some monitor beeps.

Gameplay seems ok. I haven't played a Star Ocean game in 6 years or something since SO3 first came out in Japan in like 2002. I don't remember how SO plays, so I'm re-learning it.

Bebpo · « **Reply #173 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:39:12 PM »

This game is growing on me, but is it normal for the first boss (the tentacle crab on the beach) to have taken like 10 mins to kill when normal enemies die in 15 seconds? Like it wasn't a hard boss, but I kept doing sight off and comboing him from the back doing rush when I can and I'd only do like 15-20 damage per hit and my other party members were doing like 10 damage per hit and giving how long it took for him to die he must've had like 1000hp. Was there some trick I was missing? I really don't want all boss fights to be loooong battles like that.

Jansen · « **Reply #174 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:42:44 PM »

the graphics are pretty shitty but the gameplay is sooo good. thankfully the story doesn't seem to be total trash like so3's was. it is still not very good but at least it's bearable

and the VA is decent. considering some of the complaints i was expecting it to be just as bad as IU's was

Bebpo · « **Reply #175 on:** February 26, 2009, 09:57:12 PM »

The problem with the graphics besides the alaising is that everytime you exit battle the framerate is shit for the first 1-2 seconds on the field again. Since you are getting in and out of battles ALL THE TIME, it's kinda annoying looking.

Jansen · « **Reply #176 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:06:20 PM »

that doesn't happen to me but i am playing from the hdd

what i've noticed is that the framerate gets shitty around every save point in the field

Great Rumbler · « **Reply #177 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:09:23 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 26, 2009, 10:06:20 PM

that doesn't happen to me but i am playing from the hdd

I haven't really noticed that either and I'm playing it off the disc.

Also, most of the boss battles have only taken about 5 minutes for me. But I've done some level grinding, so that might be part of it.

Bebpo · « **Reply #178 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:14:57 PM »

Quote from: Jansen on February 26, 2009, 10:06:20 PM

that doesn't happen to me but i am playing from the hdd

what i've noticed is that the framerate gets shitty around every save point in the field

I'm playing from the hard drive. Everytime I get out of battle and on the map and hold forward, the framerate is choppy for the first second and then it's fine. It's like it's streaming the field back in.

tiesto · « **Reply #179 on:** February 26, 2009, 10:48:41 PM »

I just beat the first boss and I'm fucking loving this game... much better than 3, combat feels so awesome, and it's addicting with the battle bonuses and attempting some of the battle trophies. Yeah, the environments are low-polygon and blocky, but the lack of much load time, palettes used and the texture detail more than make up for that. Then again I don't give a fuck about graphics in games.

Bebpo - after chipping off enough of the first boss's 'shell', you'll see a glowing blue spot on its side. Target it and you can do like 50-100hp of damage. Edge and Reimi were around level 7 when I beat it.

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Author Topic: Let's talk about Star Ocean 4: The Last Hope (for xbox in japan lololol) OFFCIAL (Read 60284 times)