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Re: Watchmen - You gonna see it?
« Reply #180 on: March 04, 2009, 06:47:00 PM »
Ain't It Cool News reaction seems about like you would expect.

"I WATCHED THE FUCKING WATCHMEN AND FUCKING LOVED IT!"

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« Reply #181 on: March 04, 2009, 06:51:56 PM »
So...wait

AICN hates it, but AICN loves it?  I'm confused.
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« Reply #182 on: March 04, 2009, 06:55:06 PM »
So...wait

AICN hates it, but AICN loves it?  I'm confused.
"KUFO’s Fatboy Is Saddened To Assert That Alan Moore Was Correct: WATCHMEN Is ‘Unfilmable’!!"

"Massawyrm is disappointed by the dangling blue dong of WATCHMEN..."

I cant bring myself to read them, AICN is a joke but I am surprised this site is negative on it. Watchmen's RT rating has been dropping. Down to 63% now (27% from real critics). I bet it'll  be rotten by the time this opens lol.

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« Reply #183 on: March 04, 2009, 06:57:38 PM »
I was telling my friend I wasn't too sure about the movie, and he brought up one of the dumbest arguments ever  :lol

"Dude, only fanboys will hate this movie.  If people look at this just as a movie and not as an adaptation, everyone will like it."

Me: "Erm...it IS an adaptation.  You can't escape that."

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« Reply #184 on: March 04, 2009, 06:58:56 PM »
Only Harry Knowles has a reputation for being ridiculously positive about films -- the other AICN stuff is just reader-submitted (and one review is literally like 1000 words of whining about the change to the ending).

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« Reply #185 on: March 04, 2009, 07:20:36 PM »
I'm thinking it'll be interesting to watch as a fan, to see scenes recreated, and will be incredibly faithful in a lot of ways (and where it isn't will probably piss me off).  I also think it won't work well as a movie, the story's laid out among twelve individual comics that follow each other and connect, but mostly have their own climaxes and internal narratives.  It's not paced as a movie if it's portrayed faithfully, though I still think it might work as a miniseries.

Also, some of this stuff that works great on a comic page will probably turn out not to work so well on screen.   And the density of the comic is an asset within its medium, as you can read and examine, and go back at your own pace, but in a movie?  I dunno.  Maybe if Wes Anderson was making this :lol

So my expectations are pretty low, but I'll still be interested in watching it...  I'll probably see it Sunday in a matinee showing.

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« Reply #186 on: March 04, 2009, 08:27:12 PM »
Triumph, Peter Travers gave it 2½ out of 4 stars:

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Moore recalled his four years of toil on the 12-issue DC Comics series as "slam-dancing with a bunch of rhinos." That description also fits watching the movie, which stumbles and sometimes falls on its top-heavy ambitions. But there are also flashes of visual brilliance and performances, especially from Haley and Crudup, that drill deep into the novel's haunted soul.
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« Reply #187 on: March 04, 2009, 08:30:35 PM »
Here are some of the changes/cuts I can think of right now.

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- Hollis Mason's only purpose is being a recap tool: he quickly explains the situation pre crimebusters and isn't seen again.
- Dan visits Veidt to talk about the Comedian, not Rorschach. Unclear why Snyder did this, possibly to mix up the pace a bit. Still, it's a pretty important piece of dialogue that's changed.
- As I said earlier, Captain Metropolis is gone and it's Veidt who we see standing before the chart.
- Only one bar interrogation scene
- The Janey Slater stuff is a bit messed up. Instead of seeing her tell the story for the paper, she appears on the show Manhattan's on and pulls of her wig, showing her bald head, blaming Jon.
- Rorschach origin has been cut short. No mask history, only the shack part. He doesn't set the house on fire, but brutally plants a cleaver in the head of the killer, multiple times.
- Laurie/Manhattan talk on Mars is cut a bit short. They get to 'the comedian is your father!' part way too quickly. scene has no intensity.
- Final chapter is also changed, as you all know. I was mostly ok with it, but really wanted the Ozy/Manhattan talk as I said earlier.
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Re: Watchmen - You gonna see it?
« Reply #188 on: March 04, 2009, 08:47:01 PM »
Triumph, Peter Travers gave it 2½ out of 4 stars:

Quote from: Peter Travers
Moore recalled his four years of toil on the 12-issue DC Comics series as "slam-dancing with a bunch of rhinos." That description also fits watching the movie, which stumbles and sometimes falls on its top-heavy ambitions. But there are also flashes of visual brilliance and performances, especially from Haley and Crudup, that drill deep into the novel's haunted soul.

Just finished reading his review, from the text of it sounds more like 1 1/2 stars to me.  We'll see!
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« Reply #189 on: March 04, 2009, 09:01:44 PM »
Ain't It Cool News reaction seems about like you would expect.

"I WATCHED THE FUCKING WATCHMEN AND FUCKING LOVED IT!"

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« Reply #190 on: March 04, 2009, 09:12:39 PM »
My 15-year old nephew expressed interest in Watchmen today, so I dug out my old copy of the book and gave it to him. I think he was genuinely touched by the gesture.

Picked myself up a nice new copy on the way home from work, I miss my old copy, but I think he'll appreciate it more than I would.
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« Reply #191 on: March 04, 2009, 10:34:27 PM »
DotD was slightly less crappy.

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« Reply #192 on: March 04, 2009, 10:40:39 PM »
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« Reply #193 on: March 04, 2009, 11:04:00 PM »
I'm thinking about taking my dad to see it on Friday-ish. Either that, or buy the graphic novel and blow through it in a weekend. Which one?
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« Reply #194 on: March 04, 2009, 11:12:04 PM »
wait the midget from SEINFELD is in Watchmen?!


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« Reply #195 on: March 04, 2009, 11:18:12 PM »
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« Reply #196 on: March 04, 2009, 11:23:07 PM »
Also, Max Headroom has a bit part, too.  :-*
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« Reply #197 on: March 05, 2009, 03:13:36 AM »
just came back from the cinema. Was a pretty tight flick, havent read the book. The film was great and had a very interesting story IMO. Definitely will be one of the films of '09

Good balance of action and story, really likeable cast of characters.

Reading this thread it looks like no one else has seen it yet?!
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« Reply #198 on: March 05, 2009, 03:19:29 AM »
oh and prepare yourself for a lot of looking at a blue CG dick
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« Reply #199 on: March 05, 2009, 04:21:33 AM »
I'm thinking about taking my dad to see it on Friday-ish. Either that, or buy the graphic novel and blow through it in a weekend. Which one?

Read the graphic novel first, dude. It's not that long, but you will end up re-reading certain parts (which is one of the reasons it was considered unfilmable: you can't go back and look at certain frames while watching a film).

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« Reply #200 on: March 05, 2009, 07:30:18 AM »
Reading this thread it looks like no one else has seen it yet?!

No, none of us want to see it after we heard it sucked.
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« Reply #201 on: March 05, 2009, 08:10:40 AM »
And it helps that it isn't out yet.

I still must know, do we see Silk Spectre II's tits or not!?

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« Reply #202 on: March 05, 2009, 08:42:49 AM »
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« Reply #203 on: March 05, 2009, 09:57:28 PM »
Reading this thread it looks like no one else has seen it yet?!

No, none of us want to see it after we heard it sucked.

I'm going to the midnight showing   :'(

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« Reply #204 on: March 05, 2009, 09:59:07 PM »
seeing it sunday

just bought tickets
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« Reply #205 on: March 05, 2009, 10:38:24 PM »
wait the midget from SEINFELD is in Watchmen?!

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probably 'Big Figure,' the midget crime-boss Rorshach and Nite Owl put away that was trying to kill Rorshach during the riot.

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« Reply #206 on: March 05, 2009, 11:08:39 PM »
wait the midget from SEINFELD is in Watchmen?!

(Image removed from quote.)

probably 'Big Figure,' the midget crime-boss Rorshach and Nite Owl put away that was trying to kill Rorshach during the riot.
Yeah but MICKEY from Seinfeld? I just can't imagine it.  :lol

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« Reply #207 on: March 05, 2009, 11:19:04 PM »
I was going to go to the midnight showing but my plans fell through so I'm going to see it either tomorrow or Saturday. Probably Saturday though!

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« Reply #210 on: March 05, 2009, 11:36:02 PM »
Seeing it tomorrow.  I don't have high hopes.  :-\
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« Reply #211 on: March 06, 2009, 12:00:43 AM »
I'm thinking about taking my dad to see it on Friday-ish. Either that, or buy the graphic novel and blow through it in a weekend. Which one?

Read the graphic novel first, dude. It's not that long, but you will end up re-reading certain parts (which is one of the reasons it was considered unfilmable: you can't go back and look at certain frames while watching a film).
I'll see if I can buy it off of the local Books-A-Million tomorrow, then.
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« Reply #212 on: March 06, 2009, 12:35:47 AM »
Spent the day reading the novel. Two chapters left. Great stuff. I've spent years procrastinating on it so I decided I'd get it done before the movie.
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« Reply #213 on: March 06, 2009, 01:00:53 AM »
Just finished the novel. It was pretty amazing. Looking forward to seeing the movie now but I don't have high hopes for it.

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« Reply #214 on: March 06, 2009, 04:33:32 AM »
Just finished the novel as well. Good stuff. Really liked the ending. Will probably see the movie tomorrow.
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« Reply #215 on: March 06, 2009, 05:03:27 AM »
Here it is, my watchmen review.

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First of all, I want to go ahead and get this out of the way. Zach Snyder, overall, did a decent job being accurate to the source material. The movie is incredibly accurate to the graphic novel, almost going shot for frame in some instances. The way the opening credits were done to The Times Are A'Changing was pretty damn awesome. Both Doctor Manhattan and Rorschach were done beautifully and acted well. With the exception of one notable slip up, the music selection was amazing and suitable (personal favorite: "Everybody Wants To Rule The World" elevator music style in the background of the scene leading up to Veidt's assassination attempt, although Jimi Hendrix's All Along The Watchtower was placed perfectly as well)

However, there are a few dealbreakers. For one, the Doc Manhattan/Comedian Vietnam sequence is comical. Basically, it's Doc Manhattan and the Comedian kicking ass to the Flight of the Valkyries theme. I found it humorous and I'm sure it was intentional, but, especially when the scene that follows it was when the Comedian shoots his fucking pregnant Vietnamese mistress, it was highly inappropriate. The rape scene was also humorous, probably unintentionally, because, immediately after the Comedian bends a subdued Silk Spectre over a pool table, the camera zooms on the Comedian's crotch area against Silk Spectre's and we see a smiley face belt around his waste. Not the iconic smiley from the cover of the book either, a retro-styled one that just looks ridiculous. So fucking unintentional. 

The acting was very mediocre across the board except for where I mentioned it. A friend of mine who walked out (never read the novel before) had trouble connecting with any of the characters, and it was very obvious why. No could act in this film other than Billy Cudrup and Jackie Earle Haley.

The structure of the plot was unlike any I've really seen in film before, and if I hadn't read the graphic novel, I can't say that I would have followed the film very well. I'm trying to be unaltered by saying it felt as if the film jumped around at random. Of course I knew what was going to happen and what was next in the comic so I could keep up, but my friend said this was the chief reason other than the sex scene (which I am getting to) that he walked out for.

The sex scene is possibly the worst offense that Zach Snyder has EVER done to his audience ever, much worse than 300. For this, I can't give the movie a good rating. It hurts to give it an "okay," but the movie does some things well so I can't say I completely hated it. The first "almost" sex scene between Silk Spectre and Nite Owl was meant to be humorous, and I realize this. He can't get it up, for christ sakes. I was okay with this. However, what I am about to describe to you is unfuckingbelievable. The sex scene aboard the good airship Archie is to the Leonard Cohen version of the song "Hallelujah."

That's right. I can picture Snyder holding back laughter behind the camera. Not only that, it's a fucking horrible sex scene. I'm not going to deny that it wasn't fucking hilarious, but not only was humor not the intended result in the fucking source material, it really upset the pace of the film.

It's like the humor is sporadic. It pops up every once in a while, but in inopportune times. It's fucking unbelievable how Snyder purposely takes the death of Vietnamese in Vietnam and makes that loltastic and then goes ahead and puts on some Hallelujah for fuck music. The worst part: She hits the fucking fire button (the one she mistakes for a cigarette lighter in the comic) when she orgasms.

Let me finish this up since I now only have three hours to sleep: The ending was pretty good. Instead of the giant squid, they blame it on Doctor Manhattan. They build it up to where Jon was helping Veidt the entire movie, with Veidt actually learning how to harness his power to make a mass bomb to take out New York and set the entire world against the godman. Honestly, it's much more credible than the comic book version IMO. I can't bitch about that. I think they made Laurie pregnant in the epilogue as well, which is about the only other thing they changed. Although Ozymandius and Doc Manhattan don't have their epic conversation at the end (it's more cliffnotes'd) Jon does say the line about making his own life someday to Laurie near the end.

Overall, I'd probably give it maybe a 5.5 or a 6 if I'm feeling generous. Snyder did some really great things, but he fucked some things up, and he definitely didn't make a film as much as what felt like a twelve part miniseries that fits into three hours. Maybe instead of accuracy he should have not made the Vietnam War or sex intentionally funny for his own weird reasons at incredibly inopportune times in the film. I could have lived with shitty acting performances if I would have skipped the Hallelujah bullshit. Jesus. 

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tl;dr Basically, it's a meh from good ole Bloodwake. You might like it if you were a fan of the graphic novel, but you will still have to suffer through one or two parts of WHAT THE FUCK ZACH SNYDER.
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« Reply #216 on: March 06, 2009, 05:52:19 AM »
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« Reply #217 on: March 06, 2009, 06:43:52 AM »
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yeah, just from the trailers i can tell the acting's pretty bad

i also understand hollis mason's death is cut from the theatrical version, which automatically drops it several points in my eyes

supposedly nearly an hour of material cut from the theatrical version will be in the director's cut dvd
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« Reply #218 on: March 06, 2009, 08:54:07 AM »
Nearly everyone I saw this with (around 10) hated it.  I didn't.  I thought it was spectacular.  Zach Snyder was the perfect man for the job, because it essentially hangs on the same conceit as 300; take it too seriously and you'll lose the plot.  And don't let anyone tell you that that's not in keeping with the Watchmen.  He nails it.

although the slow-mo was still kind of dumb. 
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« Reply #219 on: March 06, 2009, 10:36:36 AM »
Im planning to see the big blue penis on Monday. Let everyone else see it this weekend.

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« Reply #220 on: March 06, 2009, 10:44:25 AM »
Im planning to see the big blue penis on Monday. Let everyone else see it this weekend.
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« Reply #221 on: March 06, 2009, 11:38:20 AM »
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« Reply #223 on: March 06, 2009, 11:52:05 AM »
I'm actually surprised that they are showing his blue penis in the movie; I was sure it would be a fleshy spot.  I haven't seen the movie yet, but judging from trailers and clips it seems like they
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got rid of Manhattan's clothing progression completely.  In the book he eventually got to the point where he would bear it all because his grip on humanity was lessened, but in the movie seems like it goes from the that small ass-less piece to naked.  I guess they really wanted to show off the blue ab effects.
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« Reply #224 on: March 06, 2009, 11:55:58 AM »
Do you get to see Laurie's tits?
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« Reply #225 on: March 06, 2009, 12:09:25 PM »
Do you get to see Laurie's tits?

The GAF thread says yes.
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« Reply #226 on: March 06, 2009, 12:22:57 PM »
aw yeah
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« Reply #227 on: March 06, 2009, 12:23:50 PM »
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« Reply #228 on: March 06, 2009, 12:29:44 PM »
aw yeah
What if her tits are gross? :smug
She has shown them off in a lot of movies already.

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« Reply #229 on: March 06, 2009, 12:30:38 PM »
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What if her tits are gross? :smug
She has shown them off in a lot of movies already.
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« Reply #231 on: March 06, 2009, 12:34:13 PM »
beautiful sweedish breasts.
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« Reply #232 on: March 06, 2009, 01:04:22 PM »
beautiful sweedish breasts.
You like them because she is skinny and her breasts are small

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« Reply #233 on: March 06, 2009, 01:08:52 PM »
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The sex scene aboard the good airship Archie is to the Leonard Cohen version of the song "Hallelujah."

Wait, did they use the original version from Various Positions?  That's actually kinda neat.  It fits too.

original version :bow2
Jeff Buckley version :piss2
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« Reply #234 on: March 06, 2009, 01:25:19 PM »
beautiful sweedish breasts.
You like them because she is skinny and her breasts are small

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« Reply #235 on: March 06, 2009, 01:29:17 PM »
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The sex scene aboard the good airship Archie is to the Leonard Cohen version of the song "Hallelujah."

Wait, did they use the original version from Various Positions?  That's actually kinda neat.  It fits too.

original version :bow2
Jeff Buckley version :piss2

No, it doesn't. It's fucking bad. BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD. Honestly, if that scene wasn't in the film or handled differently, the film would have been much better.

I'm not 100% sure if it was the Cohen version but a friend of mine said yes, so don't take my word for it. I was too distracted to give a shit.
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« Reply #236 on: March 06, 2009, 02:08:34 PM »
Cute to see certain audiences still react so out of control towards certain type of sex scenes in R Rated movies. History of Violence was the same crap.

You kind get the feeling that the movie is being seen by kids with INTERNET access.

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« Reply #237 on: March 06, 2009, 02:25:49 PM »
Walking to the Mercado right after work to go see the movie. I'm praying its good, cause I'm taking the girlfriend to it and she's only mildly interested. Gotta love working right next door to a theater.

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« Reply #238 on: March 06, 2009, 03:46:25 PM »
About to go see this, really excited. I just finished up the comic maybe an hour ago, and I know I'm probably setting myself up for disappointment, but I can't help but be extremely hyped for this.

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« Reply #239 on: March 06, 2009, 03:50:55 PM »
Let me ask anyone who has seen it: how do they do with the

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That was probably my favorite scene in the graphic novel.

Honestly, even though this wasn't verbatim word for word and frame for frame, this was one of the better sequences in the film and one of the parts of the movie where I was actually considering purchasing this on Blu-ray. I don't think this line survived, but the line "What was left of Walter Kovacks died.." remained. Obviously, they had to trim this part down significantly, but the ink blot portion where he sees the dog is almost spot on.

The part where he goes to the bathroom to kill the midget is still there too, although Nite Owl and Spectre's lines are gone while they were waiting. This actually works better, especially considering that Nite Owl and Spectre were poor actors.
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